UK: Jeep Grand Cherokee
11-29-2003, 02:19 AM
#41
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee
Jerry Newton did pass the time by typing:
> I suppose if you oversimplify it, then you do have it both ways. However,
> if you really think about it, you are only getting what you pay for.
False to fact.
> When you go to "Joe's Garage" for example, you get a discounted labor rate,
> and you get a break on the parts price. What did you get for less money?
The same exact service that most dealerships offer at a lower price due to
less overhead.
> and you got the cheapest aftermarket parts that the guy
> could find from the local parts house. Napa and others would like you to
> believe that their stuff is as good as the factory stuff, but it just isn't.
> Most of the time, you are getting a "remanufactured part" (read that: put
> back together with as little cost as possible).
Sometimes that is true. Sometimes that part is the same exact one that
Jeep uses, from the same manufacturer. And in the case of the disc brakes
I purchsed, a far superior product that the crappy DC units that delaminate
when exposed to salt.
> Couple this aftermarket part with the fact that the guy installing it is
> experimenting on your vehicle, learning as he goes.
Vs the Jeep tech that learned as he went and cost the dealership a whole
longblock I6 and me about a week and nearly my life when the oil leak they
"fixed" lead up to my engine siezed on the highway? Neophyte mechanics
are not unique to any business.
> I can locate the specific part that I need for
> your car in seconds, no matter where it is in the world.
So can NAPA and most other parts houses. So can one of my favorite
parts houses, buymopar.com that just happens to be a dealer and sells
parts at non-ripoff prices.
> I have GM management types that I can rely upon to make decisions about the best
> course of action for your car
Your kidding me, a management type making decisions. Go on, pull the other one.
I did however trust the local sevice advisor. He bent over backwards to see
that my time was not wasted. I was sorry to see him leave but it was for the
best as he now manages a dealership.
> Buildings, lifts, transmission jacks, engine stands, brake lathes, scan
> tools, and special tools specific to GM products cost a lot of money, too.
Nothing there that any reasonable shop will have. the DRB scantools are not
unique to any shop. I have quite a few specialty tools myself. One of my
coworkers even has a hydraulic lift, he rebuilds antique cars as a hobby.
> Not to mention my personal expenditure of about $75,000 sitting in my toolbox,
> waiting to make me a living. People
> think that I must exaggerate the cost of tools, but I can assure you that
> this is no exaggeration. Where do you think the money comes from to pay for
> these things? It comes from the $70 or so that the dealership charges as an
> hourly labor rate, a portion of which is mine.
I have Snap-On, S&K, and others as well. While not up to 75K it sure comes close
to 20K or so. There is nothing wrong with having good tools especially if your
using them to earn a living. Never said that. However I do have the luxury of
only needing tools for my particular vehicle. One of my friends that used to work
for Jeep but now works for Honda has a collection that tops 100K.
> I guess I said what I wanted to say. Having done that, I hope that you
> continue to fix things yourself, or go to the local garage, because quite
> frankly, I really don't want you for a customer. When I am faced with
> charging a customer for a repair, I make a habit of looking at the service
> history to see what kind of customer he is. If he has only come to me for
> warranty repairs or things that Joe's Garage couldn't fix, I am gonna get
> every penny I have coming to me, and not a penny more.
Of course. Because that is "warrantee money." Why not pump the insurance
company for as much as you can.
> If he has been to my
> shop for every thing that goes wrong, and pays the bill without bitching, I
> am way more prone to throwing him a bone once in awhile.
Just like the casinos do in Vegas. They want to keep that sucker coming back
again and again. So they give out rooms and dinners and shows just so the
mark will come back and drop money in their casino.
> I don't know what
> business you are in, but I am sure that you don't do things any differently.
I design and evaluate communications systems for the US Government that support
emergency response, force protection, and nuclear surety around the world. I also
evaluate contractors on multi million dollar contracts for communications systems.
One of the systems I personally built supports the forces at Prince Sultan Air Force
Base (PSAB) in the UAE. My job is being responsible for the integrity of systems that
protect the lives of our armed forces and the security of this nation. As a rule
I hold all individuals accountable for their actions, but none more so than myself.
They refer to my position as a "non combatant". In other words I am expected to
put my *** on the line just like any in the armed services, except I go in unarmed.
> People are just more naturally pissed off at mechanics.
Why would you say that? I'm not angry at mechanics, nor at you despite what this
thread is turning out to be. I am however vehemently opposed to any individual
that takes advantage of peoples naiveté for profit.
Actually I despise spammers the most. They are perhaps the only people on this
planet I wouldn't mind seeing gassed.
--
DougW
> I suppose if you oversimplify it, then you do have it both ways. However,
> if you really think about it, you are only getting what you pay for.
False to fact.
> When you go to "Joe's Garage" for example, you get a discounted labor rate,
> and you get a break on the parts price. What did you get for less money?
The same exact service that most dealerships offer at a lower price due to
less overhead.
> and you got the cheapest aftermarket parts that the guy
> could find from the local parts house. Napa and others would like you to
> believe that their stuff is as good as the factory stuff, but it just isn't.
> Most of the time, you are getting a "remanufactured part" (read that: put
> back together with as little cost as possible).
Sometimes that is true. Sometimes that part is the same exact one that
Jeep uses, from the same manufacturer. And in the case of the disc brakes
I purchsed, a far superior product that the crappy DC units that delaminate
when exposed to salt.
> Couple this aftermarket part with the fact that the guy installing it is
> experimenting on your vehicle, learning as he goes.
Vs the Jeep tech that learned as he went and cost the dealership a whole
longblock I6 and me about a week and nearly my life when the oil leak they
"fixed" lead up to my engine siezed on the highway? Neophyte mechanics
are not unique to any business.
> I can locate the specific part that I need for
> your car in seconds, no matter where it is in the world.
So can NAPA and most other parts houses. So can one of my favorite
parts houses, buymopar.com that just happens to be a dealer and sells
parts at non-ripoff prices.
> I have GM management types that I can rely upon to make decisions about the best
> course of action for your car
Your kidding me, a management type making decisions. Go on, pull the other one.
I did however trust the local sevice advisor. He bent over backwards to see
that my time was not wasted. I was sorry to see him leave but it was for the
best as he now manages a dealership.
> Buildings, lifts, transmission jacks, engine stands, brake lathes, scan
> tools, and special tools specific to GM products cost a lot of money, too.
Nothing there that any reasonable shop will have. the DRB scantools are not
unique to any shop. I have quite a few specialty tools myself. One of my
coworkers even has a hydraulic lift, he rebuilds antique cars as a hobby.
> Not to mention my personal expenditure of about $75,000 sitting in my toolbox,
> waiting to make me a living. People
> think that I must exaggerate the cost of tools, but I can assure you that
> this is no exaggeration. Where do you think the money comes from to pay for
> these things? It comes from the $70 or so that the dealership charges as an
> hourly labor rate, a portion of which is mine.
I have Snap-On, S&K, and others as well. While not up to 75K it sure comes close
to 20K or so. There is nothing wrong with having good tools especially if your
using them to earn a living. Never said that. However I do have the luxury of
only needing tools for my particular vehicle. One of my friends that used to work
for Jeep but now works for Honda has a collection that tops 100K.
> I guess I said what I wanted to say. Having done that, I hope that you
> continue to fix things yourself, or go to the local garage, because quite
> frankly, I really don't want you for a customer. When I am faced with
> charging a customer for a repair, I make a habit of looking at the service
> history to see what kind of customer he is. If he has only come to me for
> warranty repairs or things that Joe's Garage couldn't fix, I am gonna get
> every penny I have coming to me, and not a penny more.
Of course. Because that is "warrantee money." Why not pump the insurance
company for as much as you can.
> If he has been to my
> shop for every thing that goes wrong, and pays the bill without bitching, I
> am way more prone to throwing him a bone once in awhile.
Just like the casinos do in Vegas. They want to keep that sucker coming back
again and again. So they give out rooms and dinners and shows just so the
mark will come back and drop money in their casino.
> I don't know what
> business you are in, but I am sure that you don't do things any differently.
I design and evaluate communications systems for the US Government that support
emergency response, force protection, and nuclear surety around the world. I also
evaluate contractors on multi million dollar contracts for communications systems.
One of the systems I personally built supports the forces at Prince Sultan Air Force
Base (PSAB) in the UAE. My job is being responsible for the integrity of systems that
protect the lives of our armed forces and the security of this nation. As a rule
I hold all individuals accountable for their actions, but none more so than myself.
They refer to my position as a "non combatant". In other words I am expected to
put my *** on the line just like any in the armed services, except I go in unarmed.
> People are just more naturally pissed off at mechanics.
Why would you say that? I'm not angry at mechanics, nor at you despite what this
thread is turning out to be. I am however vehemently opposed to any individual
that takes advantage of peoples naiveté for profit.
Actually I despise spammers the most. They are perhaps the only people on this
planet I wouldn't mind seeing gassed.
--
DougW
11-29-2003, 02:19 AM
#42
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee
Jerry Newton did pass the time by typing:
> I suppose if you oversimplify it, then you do have it both ways. However,
> if you really think about it, you are only getting what you pay for.
False to fact.
> When you go to "Joe's Garage" for example, you get a discounted labor rate,
> and you get a break on the parts price. What did you get for less money?
The same exact service that most dealerships offer at a lower price due to
less overhead.
> and you got the cheapest aftermarket parts that the guy
> could find from the local parts house. Napa and others would like you to
> believe that their stuff is as good as the factory stuff, but it just isn't.
> Most of the time, you are getting a "remanufactured part" (read that: put
> back together with as little cost as possible).
Sometimes that is true. Sometimes that part is the same exact one that
Jeep uses, from the same manufacturer. And in the case of the disc brakes
I purchsed, a far superior product that the crappy DC units that delaminate
when exposed to salt.
> Couple this aftermarket part with the fact that the guy installing it is
> experimenting on your vehicle, learning as he goes.
Vs the Jeep tech that learned as he went and cost the dealership a whole
longblock I6 and me about a week and nearly my life when the oil leak they
"fixed" lead up to my engine siezed on the highway? Neophyte mechanics
are not unique to any business.
> I can locate the specific part that I need for
> your car in seconds, no matter where it is in the world.
So can NAPA and most other parts houses. So can one of my favorite
parts houses, buymopar.com that just happens to be a dealer and sells
parts at non-ripoff prices.
> I have GM management types that I can rely upon to make decisions about the best
> course of action for your car
Your kidding me, a management type making decisions. Go on, pull the other one.
I did however trust the local sevice advisor. He bent over backwards to see
that my time was not wasted. I was sorry to see him leave but it was for the
best as he now manages a dealership.
> Buildings, lifts, transmission jacks, engine stands, brake lathes, scan
> tools, and special tools specific to GM products cost a lot of money, too.
Nothing there that any reasonable shop will have. the DRB scantools are not
unique to any shop. I have quite a few specialty tools myself. One of my
coworkers even has a hydraulic lift, he rebuilds antique cars as a hobby.
> Not to mention my personal expenditure of about $75,000 sitting in my toolbox,
> waiting to make me a living. People
> think that I must exaggerate the cost of tools, but I can assure you that
> this is no exaggeration. Where do you think the money comes from to pay for
> these things? It comes from the $70 or so that the dealership charges as an
> hourly labor rate, a portion of which is mine.
I have Snap-On, S&K, and others as well. While not up to 75K it sure comes close
to 20K or so. There is nothing wrong with having good tools especially if your
using them to earn a living. Never said that. However I do have the luxury of
only needing tools for my particular vehicle. One of my friends that used to work
for Jeep but now works for Honda has a collection that tops 100K.
> I guess I said what I wanted to say. Having done that, I hope that you
> continue to fix things yourself, or go to the local garage, because quite
> frankly, I really don't want you for a customer. When I am faced with
> charging a customer for a repair, I make a habit of looking at the service
> history to see what kind of customer he is. If he has only come to me for
> warranty repairs or things that Joe's Garage couldn't fix, I am gonna get
> every penny I have coming to me, and not a penny more.
Of course. Because that is "warrantee money." Why not pump the insurance
company for as much as you can.
> If he has been to my
> shop for every thing that goes wrong, and pays the bill without bitching, I
> am way more prone to throwing him a bone once in awhile.
Just like the casinos do in Vegas. They want to keep that sucker coming back
again and again. So they give out rooms and dinners and shows just so the
mark will come back and drop money in their casino.
> I don't know what
> business you are in, but I am sure that you don't do things any differently.
I design and evaluate communications systems for the US Government that support
emergency response, force protection, and nuclear surety around the world. I also
evaluate contractors on multi million dollar contracts for communications systems.
One of the systems I personally built supports the forces at Prince Sultan Air Force
Base (PSAB) in the UAE. My job is being responsible for the integrity of systems that
protect the lives of our armed forces and the security of this nation. As a rule
I hold all individuals accountable for their actions, but none more so than myself.
They refer to my position as a "non combatant". In other words I am expected to
put my *** on the line just like any in the armed services, except I go in unarmed.
> People are just more naturally pissed off at mechanics.
Why would you say that? I'm not angry at mechanics, nor at you despite what this
thread is turning out to be. I am however vehemently opposed to any individual
that takes advantage of peoples naiveté for profit.
Actually I despise spammers the most. They are perhaps the only people on this
planet I wouldn't mind seeing gassed.
--
DougW
> I suppose if you oversimplify it, then you do have it both ways. However,
> if you really think about it, you are only getting what you pay for.
False to fact.
> When you go to "Joe's Garage" for example, you get a discounted labor rate,
> and you get a break on the parts price. What did you get for less money?
The same exact service that most dealerships offer at a lower price due to
less overhead.
> and you got the cheapest aftermarket parts that the guy
> could find from the local parts house. Napa and others would like you to
> believe that their stuff is as good as the factory stuff, but it just isn't.
> Most of the time, you are getting a "remanufactured part" (read that: put
> back together with as little cost as possible).
Sometimes that is true. Sometimes that part is the same exact one that
Jeep uses, from the same manufacturer. And in the case of the disc brakes
I purchsed, a far superior product that the crappy DC units that delaminate
when exposed to salt.
> Couple this aftermarket part with the fact that the guy installing it is
> experimenting on your vehicle, learning as he goes.
Vs the Jeep tech that learned as he went and cost the dealership a whole
longblock I6 and me about a week and nearly my life when the oil leak they
"fixed" lead up to my engine siezed on the highway? Neophyte mechanics
are not unique to any business.
> I can locate the specific part that I need for
> your car in seconds, no matter where it is in the world.
So can NAPA and most other parts houses. So can one of my favorite
parts houses, buymopar.com that just happens to be a dealer and sells
parts at non-ripoff prices.
> I have GM management types that I can rely upon to make decisions about the best
> course of action for your car
Your kidding me, a management type making decisions. Go on, pull the other one.
I did however trust the local sevice advisor. He bent over backwards to see
that my time was not wasted. I was sorry to see him leave but it was for the
best as he now manages a dealership.
> Buildings, lifts, transmission jacks, engine stands, brake lathes, scan
> tools, and special tools specific to GM products cost a lot of money, too.
Nothing there that any reasonable shop will have. the DRB scantools are not
unique to any shop. I have quite a few specialty tools myself. One of my
coworkers even has a hydraulic lift, he rebuilds antique cars as a hobby.
> Not to mention my personal expenditure of about $75,000 sitting in my toolbox,
> waiting to make me a living. People
> think that I must exaggerate the cost of tools, but I can assure you that
> this is no exaggeration. Where do you think the money comes from to pay for
> these things? It comes from the $70 or so that the dealership charges as an
> hourly labor rate, a portion of which is mine.
I have Snap-On, S&K, and others as well. While not up to 75K it sure comes close
to 20K or so. There is nothing wrong with having good tools especially if your
using them to earn a living. Never said that. However I do have the luxury of
only needing tools for my particular vehicle. One of my friends that used to work
for Jeep but now works for Honda has a collection that tops 100K.
> I guess I said what I wanted to say. Having done that, I hope that you
> continue to fix things yourself, or go to the local garage, because quite
> frankly, I really don't want you for a customer. When I am faced with
> charging a customer for a repair, I make a habit of looking at the service
> history to see what kind of customer he is. If he has only come to me for
> warranty repairs or things that Joe's Garage couldn't fix, I am gonna get
> every penny I have coming to me, and not a penny more.
Of course. Because that is "warrantee money." Why not pump the insurance
company for as much as you can.
> If he has been to my
> shop for every thing that goes wrong, and pays the bill without bitching, I
> am way more prone to throwing him a bone once in awhile.
Just like the casinos do in Vegas. They want to keep that sucker coming back
again and again. So they give out rooms and dinners and shows just so the
mark will come back and drop money in their casino.
> I don't know what
> business you are in, but I am sure that you don't do things any differently.
I design and evaluate communications systems for the US Government that support
emergency response, force protection, and nuclear surety around the world. I also
evaluate contractors on multi million dollar contracts for communications systems.
One of the systems I personally built supports the forces at Prince Sultan Air Force
Base (PSAB) in the UAE. My job is being responsible for the integrity of systems that
protect the lives of our armed forces and the security of this nation. As a rule
I hold all individuals accountable for their actions, but none more so than myself.
They refer to my position as a "non combatant". In other words I am expected to
put my *** on the line just like any in the armed services, except I go in unarmed.
> People are just more naturally pissed off at mechanics.
Why would you say that? I'm not angry at mechanics, nor at you despite what this
thread is turning out to be. I am however vehemently opposed to any individual
that takes advantage of peoples naiveté for profit.
Actually I despise spammers the most. They are perhaps the only people on this
planet I wouldn't mind seeing gassed.
--
DougW
11-29-2003, 02:19 AM
#43
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee
Jerry Newton did pass the time by typing:
> I suppose if you oversimplify it, then you do have it both ways. However,
> if you really think about it, you are only getting what you pay for.
False to fact.
> When you go to "Joe's Garage" for example, you get a discounted labor rate,
> and you get a break on the parts price. What did you get for less money?
The same exact service that most dealerships offer at a lower price due to
less overhead.
> and you got the cheapest aftermarket parts that the guy
> could find from the local parts house. Napa and others would like you to
> believe that their stuff is as good as the factory stuff, but it just isn't.
> Most of the time, you are getting a "remanufactured part" (read that: put
> back together with as little cost as possible).
Sometimes that is true. Sometimes that part is the same exact one that
Jeep uses, from the same manufacturer. And in the case of the disc brakes
I purchsed, a far superior product that the crappy DC units that delaminate
when exposed to salt.
> Couple this aftermarket part with the fact that the guy installing it is
> experimenting on your vehicle, learning as he goes.
Vs the Jeep tech that learned as he went and cost the dealership a whole
longblock I6 and me about a week and nearly my life when the oil leak they
"fixed" lead up to my engine siezed on the highway? Neophyte mechanics
are not unique to any business.
> I can locate the specific part that I need for
> your car in seconds, no matter where it is in the world.
So can NAPA and most other parts houses. So can one of my favorite
parts houses, buymopar.com that just happens to be a dealer and sells
parts at non-ripoff prices.
> I have GM management types that I can rely upon to make decisions about the best
> course of action for your car
Your kidding me, a management type making decisions. Go on, pull the other one.
I did however trust the local sevice advisor. He bent over backwards to see
that my time was not wasted. I was sorry to see him leave but it was for the
best as he now manages a dealership.
> Buildings, lifts, transmission jacks, engine stands, brake lathes, scan
> tools, and special tools specific to GM products cost a lot of money, too.
Nothing there that any reasonable shop will have. the DRB scantools are not
unique to any shop. I have quite a few specialty tools myself. One of my
coworkers even has a hydraulic lift, he rebuilds antique cars as a hobby.
> Not to mention my personal expenditure of about $75,000 sitting in my toolbox,
> waiting to make me a living. People
> think that I must exaggerate the cost of tools, but I can assure you that
> this is no exaggeration. Where do you think the money comes from to pay for
> these things? It comes from the $70 or so that the dealership charges as an
> hourly labor rate, a portion of which is mine.
I have Snap-On, S&K, and others as well. While not up to 75K it sure comes close
to 20K or so. There is nothing wrong with having good tools especially if your
using them to earn a living. Never said that. However I do have the luxury of
only needing tools for my particular vehicle. One of my friends that used to work
for Jeep but now works for Honda has a collection that tops 100K.
> I guess I said what I wanted to say. Having done that, I hope that you
> continue to fix things yourself, or go to the local garage, because quite
> frankly, I really don't want you for a customer. When I am faced with
> charging a customer for a repair, I make a habit of looking at the service
> history to see what kind of customer he is. If he has only come to me for
> warranty repairs or things that Joe's Garage couldn't fix, I am gonna get
> every penny I have coming to me, and not a penny more.
Of course. Because that is "warrantee money." Why not pump the insurance
company for as much as you can.
> If he has been to my
> shop for every thing that goes wrong, and pays the bill without bitching, I
> am way more prone to throwing him a bone once in awhile.
Just like the casinos do in Vegas. They want to keep that sucker coming back
again and again. So they give out rooms and dinners and shows just so the
mark will come back and drop money in their casino.
> I don't know what
> business you are in, but I am sure that you don't do things any differently.
I design and evaluate communications systems for the US Government that support
emergency response, force protection, and nuclear surety around the world. I also
evaluate contractors on multi million dollar contracts for communications systems.
One of the systems I personally built supports the forces at Prince Sultan Air Force
Base (PSAB) in the UAE. My job is being responsible for the integrity of systems that
protect the lives of our armed forces and the security of this nation. As a rule
I hold all individuals accountable for their actions, but none more so than myself.
They refer to my position as a "non combatant". In other words I am expected to
put my *** on the line just like any in the armed services, except I go in unarmed.
> People are just more naturally pissed off at mechanics.
Why would you say that? I'm not angry at mechanics, nor at you despite what this
thread is turning out to be. I am however vehemently opposed to any individual
that takes advantage of peoples naiveté for profit.
Actually I despise spammers the most. They are perhaps the only people on this
planet I wouldn't mind seeing gassed.
--
DougW
> I suppose if you oversimplify it, then you do have it both ways. However,
> if you really think about it, you are only getting what you pay for.
False to fact.
> When you go to "Joe's Garage" for example, you get a discounted labor rate,
> and you get a break on the parts price. What did you get for less money?
The same exact service that most dealerships offer at a lower price due to
less overhead.
> and you got the cheapest aftermarket parts that the guy
> could find from the local parts house. Napa and others would like you to
> believe that their stuff is as good as the factory stuff, but it just isn't.
> Most of the time, you are getting a "remanufactured part" (read that: put
> back together with as little cost as possible).
Sometimes that is true. Sometimes that part is the same exact one that
Jeep uses, from the same manufacturer. And in the case of the disc brakes
I purchsed, a far superior product that the crappy DC units that delaminate
when exposed to salt.
> Couple this aftermarket part with the fact that the guy installing it is
> experimenting on your vehicle, learning as he goes.
Vs the Jeep tech that learned as he went and cost the dealership a whole
longblock I6 and me about a week and nearly my life when the oil leak they
"fixed" lead up to my engine siezed on the highway? Neophyte mechanics
are not unique to any business.
> I can locate the specific part that I need for
> your car in seconds, no matter where it is in the world.
So can NAPA and most other parts houses. So can one of my favorite
parts houses, buymopar.com that just happens to be a dealer and sells
parts at non-ripoff prices.
> I have GM management types that I can rely upon to make decisions about the best
> course of action for your car
Your kidding me, a management type making decisions. Go on, pull the other one.
I did however trust the local sevice advisor. He bent over backwards to see
that my time was not wasted. I was sorry to see him leave but it was for the
best as he now manages a dealership.
> Buildings, lifts, transmission jacks, engine stands, brake lathes, scan
> tools, and special tools specific to GM products cost a lot of money, too.
Nothing there that any reasonable shop will have. the DRB scantools are not
unique to any shop. I have quite a few specialty tools myself. One of my
coworkers even has a hydraulic lift, he rebuilds antique cars as a hobby.
> Not to mention my personal expenditure of about $75,000 sitting in my toolbox,
> waiting to make me a living. People
> think that I must exaggerate the cost of tools, but I can assure you that
> this is no exaggeration. Where do you think the money comes from to pay for
> these things? It comes from the $70 or so that the dealership charges as an
> hourly labor rate, a portion of which is mine.
I have Snap-On, S&K, and others as well. While not up to 75K it sure comes close
to 20K or so. There is nothing wrong with having good tools especially if your
using them to earn a living. Never said that. However I do have the luxury of
only needing tools for my particular vehicle. One of my friends that used to work
for Jeep but now works for Honda has a collection that tops 100K.
> I guess I said what I wanted to say. Having done that, I hope that you
> continue to fix things yourself, or go to the local garage, because quite
> frankly, I really don't want you for a customer. When I am faced with
> charging a customer for a repair, I make a habit of looking at the service
> history to see what kind of customer he is. If he has only come to me for
> warranty repairs or things that Joe's Garage couldn't fix, I am gonna get
> every penny I have coming to me, and not a penny more.
Of course. Because that is "warrantee money." Why not pump the insurance
company for as much as you can.
> If he has been to my
> shop for every thing that goes wrong, and pays the bill without bitching, I
> am way more prone to throwing him a bone once in awhile.
Just like the casinos do in Vegas. They want to keep that sucker coming back
again and again. So they give out rooms and dinners and shows just so the
mark will come back and drop money in their casino.
> I don't know what
> business you are in, but I am sure that you don't do things any differently.
I design and evaluate communications systems for the US Government that support
emergency response, force protection, and nuclear surety around the world. I also
evaluate contractors on multi million dollar contracts for communications systems.
One of the systems I personally built supports the forces at Prince Sultan Air Force
Base (PSAB) in the UAE. My job is being responsible for the integrity of systems that
protect the lives of our armed forces and the security of this nation. As a rule
I hold all individuals accountable for their actions, but none more so than myself.
They refer to my position as a "non combatant". In other words I am expected to
put my *** on the line just like any in the armed services, except I go in unarmed.
> People are just more naturally pissed off at mechanics.
Why would you say that? I'm not angry at mechanics, nor at you despite what this
thread is turning out to be. I am however vehemently opposed to any individual
that takes advantage of peoples naiveté for profit.
Actually I despise spammers the most. They are perhaps the only people on this
planet I wouldn't mind seeing gassed.
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11-29-2003, 12:25 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee
On 28 Nov 2003 07:35:43 GMT, "Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote:
>SInce he can see that it has wear, you can pretty well bet it's the
>external serpentine accessory belt. Something like $15-$40 US
>available from after-market sources, 15 - 20 minute chore.
Indeed. This engine has chain-driven camshafts. The serpentine belt is
visible. They're about £40.
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>SInce he can see that it has wear, you can pretty well bet it's the
>external serpentine accessory belt. Something like $15-$40 US
>available from after-market sources, 15 - 20 minute chore.
Indeed. This engine has chain-driven camshafts. The serpentine belt is
visible. They're about £40.
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Simon Worby
11-29-2003, 12:25 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee
On 28 Nov 2003 07:35:43 GMT, "Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote:
>SInce he can see that it has wear, you can pretty well bet it's the
>external serpentine accessory belt. Something like $15-$40 US
>available from after-market sources, 15 - 20 minute chore.
Indeed. This engine has chain-driven camshafts. The serpentine belt is
visible. They're about £40.
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>SInce he can see that it has wear, you can pretty well bet it's the
>external serpentine accessory belt. Something like $15-$40 US
>available from after-market sources, 15 - 20 minute chore.
Indeed. This engine has chain-driven camshafts. The serpentine belt is
visible. They're about £40.
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11-29-2003, 12:25 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee
On 28 Nov 2003 07:35:43 GMT, "Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote:
>SInce he can see that it has wear, you can pretty well bet it's the
>external serpentine accessory belt. Something like $15-$40 US
>available from after-market sources, 15 - 20 minute chore.
Indeed. This engine has chain-driven camshafts. The serpentine belt is
visible. They're about £40.
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Simon Worby
>SInce he can see that it has wear, you can pretty well bet it's the
>external serpentine accessory belt. Something like $15-$40 US
>available from after-market sources, 15 - 20 minute chore.
Indeed. This engine has chain-driven camshafts. The serpentine belt is
visible. They're about £40.
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11-29-2003, 12:26 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:45:47 -0600, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Ok.. I'm confused. The US 4.7 uses a chain to drive the overhead cams.
>It uses a belt to drive the alternator/AC Compressor/PS Pump/Fan.
>
>http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/Cammer/4_7_v8.html
>
>Unless they changed something on UK sold Jeeps.
They didn't.
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<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Ok.. I'm confused. The US 4.7 uses a chain to drive the overhead cams.
>It uses a belt to drive the alternator/AC Compressor/PS Pump/Fan.
>
>http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/Cammer/4_7_v8.html
>
>Unless they changed something on UK sold Jeeps.
They didn't.
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11-29-2003, 12:26 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:45:47 -0600, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Ok.. I'm confused. The US 4.7 uses a chain to drive the overhead cams.
>It uses a belt to drive the alternator/AC Compressor/PS Pump/Fan.
>
>http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/Cammer/4_7_v8.html
>
>Unless they changed something on UK sold Jeeps.
They didn't.
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Simon Worby
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Ok.. I'm confused. The US 4.7 uses a chain to drive the overhead cams.
>It uses a belt to drive the alternator/AC Compressor/PS Pump/Fan.
>
>http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/Cammer/4_7_v8.html
>
>Unless they changed something on UK sold Jeeps.
They didn't.
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11-29-2003, 12:26 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:45:47 -0600, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Ok.. I'm confused. The US 4.7 uses a chain to drive the overhead cams.
>It uses a belt to drive the alternator/AC Compressor/PS Pump/Fan.
>
>http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/Cammer/4_7_v8.html
>
>Unless they changed something on UK sold Jeeps.
They didn't.
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Simon Worby
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Ok.. I'm confused. The US 4.7 uses a chain to drive the overhead cams.
>It uses a belt to drive the alternator/AC Compressor/PS Pump/Fan.
>
>http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/Cammer/4_7_v8.html
>
>Unless they changed something on UK sold Jeeps.
They didn't.
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11-29-2003, 12:31 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:35:09 -0000, <c2dmw^nospam^@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I got a quote 700 quid :( from the main dealer. Idealy I'd like to find a
>independent Jeep specialist for half the price.
That is indeed about what it costs at a dealer. If you'd like me to
look up exactly what they are supposed to do for the money
I understand there is an independent in Bicester called EDM,
http://www.edm-jeep.co.uk/ who wouldn't be a million miles away from
you. I have no idea what they are like as I have never used them, nor
have I heard any reports.
>No it's a belt and is showing signs of wear. So if it's not included that
>will probably be an extra few shillings :(
That is the serpentine belt, not the cam belt (as it hasn't got one!)
They do wear, and they are almost as important as a cam belt would be,
in the sense that if it breaks, you will have to get towed home. They
cost around £40.
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>I got a quote 700 quid :( from the main dealer. Idealy I'd like to find a
>independent Jeep specialist for half the price.
That is indeed about what it costs at a dealer. If you'd like me to
look up exactly what they are supposed to do for the money
I understand there is an independent in Bicester called EDM,
http://www.edm-jeep.co.uk/ who wouldn't be a million miles away from
you. I have no idea what they are like as I have never used them, nor
have I heard any reports.
>No it's a belt and is showing signs of wear. So if it's not included that
>will probably be an extra few shillings :(
That is the serpentine belt, not the cam belt (as it hasn't got one!)
They do wear, and they are almost as important as a cam belt would be,
in the sense that if it breaks, you will have to get towed home. They
cost around £40.
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Regards,
Simon Worby