jerryg

On Feb 2, 8:13 pm, "Carl S" <carlsai...@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote:
> Greg,
>
> Your best bet is a new joint. If the new one doesn't fit tight, you'll
> need a new yoke (PITA). The re-packed joint will work fine for a week or so
> untill you get new ones. Be sure to replace the upper and lower at the same
> time.
>
> Carl
>
> "jerryg" <Greggi...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1170467780.710082.12710@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 7:49 pm, RoyJ <spaml...@microsoft.net> wrote:
> >> No. As soon as the grease oozes out, it will let the driveshaft run off
> >> center, causes vibrations and premature joint failure.
>
> >> Carl S wrote:
> >> > Pack it with enough grease to take out that 1/16" gap and put it back
> >> > on.
> >> > The cross piece will center itself within that 1/16" difference so long
> >> > as
> >> > the caps are tight against the stops.
>
> >> > Carl
>
> >> > Carl
> >> > "jerryg" <Greggi...@msn.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:1170464917.100649.262010@a34g2000cwb.googleg roups.com...
>
> >> >>On Feb 2, 6:49 pm, "Carl S" <carlsai...@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>>The caps should fit tight. If they don't, there isn't enough grease in
> >> >>>the
> >> >>>joint. Grease it up real good through the grease nipple and put the
> >> >>>caps
> >> >>>on.. You'll have to compress the caps with your hand just to get 'em
> >> >>>to
> >> >>>fit.
> >> >>>If the joint doesn't have a grease fitting, it's probably original so
> >> >>>go
> >> >>>ahead and replace it anyway. Better to learn in your garage at home
> >> >>>then
> >> >>>on
> >> >>>the side of the road.
>
> >> >>>Carl
>
> >> >>>"jerryg" <Greggi...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>>news:1170462125.136727.42470@j27g2000cwj.google groups.com...
>
> >> >>>>Well my u joint in the rear was not bad as I suspected, but what I
> >> >>>>found was a strap was loose. It was allowing the shaft to move
> >> >>>>laterally. Took it to the mechanic, he said u joint was fine.
> >> >>>>Bearings
> >> >>>>were good. He said to center it in the yoke upon reinstallation.
> >> >>>>There
> >> >>>>are tabs or stops to contain the bearing caps on either side of the
> >> >>>>yoke, but it is not a tight fit. How can you center it? There is
> >> >>>>about
> >> >>>>1/16" gap. If not centered, won't it vibrate?
>
> >> >>>>Thanks,
>
> >> >>>>Greg- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >>>- Show quoted text -
>
> >> >>Hey Carl, thanks. My mechanic said there wasn't enough grease in them
> >> >>so he put some in for me. I put it back together and there is a gap.
> >> >>If I loosen the straps, I can move it laterally. I cannot center it.
> >> >>Also mine do not have grease fittings. It will be out one way or the
> >> >>other about 1/16" Should I take it off again, remove the bearing caps
> >> >>and pack it full? I cant get new ones till next week and I need to
> >> >>drive it. After I put it back on the first time, not knowing to center
> >> >>it, I went for a test drive and was still getting some vibration.
>
> >> >>Greg- Hide quoted text -
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> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Yea I've decided to just have it replaced.
>
> > Greg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Excuse my ignorance, but I'm new to all this stuff. Upper and lower?
As well how involved is installing a new yoke?

Thanks again,

Greg

Mike Romain

Unfortunately the yoke has been damaged by the loose strap. I have
never seen a successful fix for that. The slop will always allow
vibration which will destroy the pinion seal and bearing as well as the
u-joint eventually or just blow the yoke apart...

I have 'heard' a good welder can fill the hole, then regrind a new seat,
I have also heard of shims and just plain welding the cap to the yoke.

No matter how you decide to try and use it, you should get new straps.
They are very inexpensive.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

jerryg wrote:
> Well my u joint in the rear was not bad as I suspected, but what I
> found was a strap was loose. It was allowing the shaft to move
> laterally. Took it to the mechanic, he said u joint was fine. Bearings
> were good. He said to center it in the yoke upon reinstallation. There
> are tabs or stops to contain the bearing caps on either side of the
> yoke, but it is not a tight fit. How can you center it? There is about
> 1/16" gap. If not centered, won't it vibrate?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
>

Mike Romain

Unfortunately the yoke has been damaged by the loose strap. I have
never seen a successful fix for that. The slop will always allow
vibration which will destroy the pinion seal and bearing as well as the
u-joint eventually or just blow the yoke apart...

I have 'heard' a good welder can fill the hole, then regrind a new seat,
I have also heard of shims and just plain welding the cap to the yoke.

No matter how you decide to try and use it, you should get new straps.
They are very inexpensive.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

jerryg wrote:
> Well my u joint in the rear was not bad as I suspected, but what I
> found was a strap was loose. It was allowing the shaft to move
> laterally. Took it to the mechanic, he said u joint was fine. Bearings
> were good. He said to center it in the yoke upon reinstallation. There
> are tabs or stops to contain the bearing caps on either side of the
> yoke, but it is not a tight fit. How can you center it? There is about
> 1/16" gap. If not centered, won't it vibrate?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
>

Mike Romain

Unfortunately the yoke has been damaged by the loose strap. I have
never seen a successful fix for that. The slop will always allow
vibration which will destroy the pinion seal and bearing as well as the
u-joint eventually or just blow the yoke apart...

I have 'heard' a good welder can fill the hole, then regrind a new seat,
I have also heard of shims and just plain welding the cap to the yoke.

No matter how you decide to try and use it, you should get new straps.
They are very inexpensive.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

jerryg wrote:
> Well my u joint in the rear was not bad as I suspected, but what I
> found was a strap was loose. It was allowing the shaft to move
> laterally. Took it to the mechanic, he said u joint was fine. Bearings
> were good. He said to center it in the yoke upon reinstallation. There
> are tabs or stops to contain the bearing caps on either side of the
> yoke, but it is not a tight fit. How can you center it? There is about
> 1/16" gap. If not centered, won't it vibrate?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
>

Mike Romain

Unfortunately the yoke has been damaged by the loose strap. I have
never seen a successful fix for that. The slop will always allow
vibration which will destroy the pinion seal and bearing as well as the
u-joint eventually or just blow the yoke apart...

I have 'heard' a good welder can fill the hole, then regrind a new seat,
I have also heard of shims and just plain welding the cap to the yoke.

No matter how you decide to try and use it, you should get new straps.
They are very inexpensive.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

jerryg wrote:
> Well my u joint in the rear was not bad as I suspected, but what I
> found was a strap was loose. It was allowing the shaft to move
> laterally. Took it to the mechanic, he said u joint was fine. Bearings
> were good. He said to center it in the yoke upon reinstallation. There
> are tabs or stops to contain the bearing caps on either side of the
> yoke, but it is not a tight fit. How can you center it? There is about
> 1/16" gap. If not centered, won't it vibrate?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
>

jerryg

On Feb 2, 8:25 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Unfortunately the yoke has been damaged by the loose strap. I have
> never seen a successful fix for that. The slop will always allow
> vibration which will destroy the pinion seal and bearing as well as the
> u-joint eventually or just blow the yoke apart...
>
> I have 'heard' a good welder can fill the hole, then regrind a new seat,
> I have also heard of shims and just plain welding the cap to the yoke.
>
> No matter how you decide to try and use it, you should get new straps.
> They are very inexpensive.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> jerryg wrote:
> > Well my u joint in the rear was not bad as I suspected, but what I
> > found was a strap was loose. It was allowing the shaft to move
> > laterally. Took it to the mechanic, he said u joint was fine. Bearings
> > were good. He said to center it in the yoke upon reinstallation. There
> > are tabs or stops to contain the bearing caps on either side of the
> > yoke, but it is not a tight fit. How can you center it? There is about
> > 1/16" gap. If not centered, won't it vibrate?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Greg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm going tomorrow to buy the joint. I pulled the driveshaft again and
took a look at the yoke. It looked fine, Took a measurement across the
tabs to see if they were bent out. 3.875". Good. Measured across the
bearing caps, relaxed, I could squeeze them a little, but a good .125"
under. I hope a new one will work. Things did not look that bad under
there. Will get new straps. Am going to have a mechanic put it in. And
I will reinstall the driveshaft myself. Thanks guys for all the help.

Greg>

Greg

jerryg

On Feb 2, 8:25 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Unfortunately the yoke has been damaged by the loose strap. I have
> never seen a successful fix for that. The slop will always allow
> vibration which will destroy the pinion seal and bearing as well as the
> u-joint eventually or just blow the yoke apart...
>
> I have 'heard' a good welder can fill the hole, then regrind a new seat,
> I have also heard of shims and just plain welding the cap to the yoke.
>
> No matter how you decide to try and use it, you should get new straps.
> They are very inexpensive.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> jerryg wrote:
> > Well my u joint in the rear was not bad as I suspected, but what I
> > found was a strap was loose. It was allowing the shaft to move
> > laterally. Took it to the mechanic, he said u joint was fine. Bearings
> > were good. He said to center it in the yoke upon reinstallation. There
> > are tabs or stops to contain the bearing caps on either side of the
> > yoke, but it is not a tight fit. How can you center it? There is about
> > 1/16" gap. If not centered, won't it vibrate?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Greg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm going tomorrow to buy the joint. I pulled the driveshaft again and
took a look at the yoke. It looked fine, Took a measurement across the
tabs to see if they were bent out. 3.875". Good. Measured across the
bearing caps, relaxed, I could squeeze them a little, but a good .125"
under. I hope a new one will work. Things did not look that bad under
there. Will get new straps. Am going to have a mechanic put it in. And
I will reinstall the driveshaft myself. Thanks guys for all the help.

Greg>

Greg

jerryg

On Feb 2, 8:25 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Unfortunately the yoke has been damaged by the loose strap. I have
> never seen a successful fix for that. The slop will always allow
> vibration which will destroy the pinion seal and bearing as well as the
> u-joint eventually or just blow the yoke apart...
>
> I have 'heard' a good welder can fill the hole, then regrind a new seat,
> I have also heard of shims and just plain welding the cap to the yoke.
>
> No matter how you decide to try and use it, you should get new straps.
> They are very inexpensive.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> jerryg wrote:
> > Well my u joint in the rear was not bad as I suspected, but what I
> > found was a strap was loose. It was allowing the shaft to move
> > laterally. Took it to the mechanic, he said u joint was fine. Bearings
> > were good. He said to center it in the yoke upon reinstallation. There
> > are tabs or stops to contain the bearing caps on either side of the
> > yoke, but it is not a tight fit. How can you center it? There is about
> > 1/16" gap. If not centered, won't it vibrate?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Greg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm going tomorrow to buy the joint. I pulled the driveshaft again and
took a look at the yoke. It looked fine, Took a measurement across the
tabs to see if they were bent out. 3.875". Good. Measured across the
bearing caps, relaxed, I could squeeze them a little, but a good .125"
under. I hope a new one will work. Things did not look that bad under
there. Will get new straps. Am going to have a mechanic put it in. And
I will reinstall the driveshaft myself. Thanks guys for all the help.

Greg>

Greg

jerryg

On Feb 2, 8:25 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Unfortunately the yoke has been damaged by the loose strap. I have
> never seen a successful fix for that. The slop will always allow
> vibration which will destroy the pinion seal and bearing as well as the
> u-joint eventually or just blow the yoke apart...
>
> I have 'heard' a good welder can fill the hole, then regrind a new seat,
> I have also heard of shims and just plain welding the cap to the yoke.
>
> No matter how you decide to try and use it, you should get new straps.
> They are very inexpensive.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> jerryg wrote:
> > Well my u joint in the rear was not bad as I suspected, but what I
> > found was a strap was loose. It was allowing the shaft to move
> > laterally. Took it to the mechanic, he said u joint was fine. Bearings
> > were good. He said to center it in the yoke upon reinstallation. There
> > are tabs or stops to contain the bearing caps on either side of the
> > yoke, but it is not a tight fit. How can you center it? There is about
> > 1/16" gap. If not centered, won't it vibrate?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Greg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm going tomorrow to buy the joint. I pulled the driveshaft again and
took a look at the yoke. It looked fine, Took a measurement across the
tabs to see if they were bent out. 3.875". Good. Measured across the
bearing caps, relaxed, I could squeeze them a little, but a good .125"
under. I hope a new one will work. Things did not look that bad under
there. Will get new straps. Am going to have a mechanic put it in. And
I will reinstall the driveshaft myself. Thanks guys for all the help.

Greg>

Greg

billy ray

Greg,

If you have the choice between an less expensive unit that you have to
grease and an expensive premium "sealed for life" joint with a lifetime
guarantee I believe most of the Jeepers here would recommend you get the
greasable units.

(and keep them greased)



"jerryg" <Gregginn7@msn.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 2, 8:25 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Unfortunately the yoke has been damaged by the loose strap. I have
>> never seen a successful fix for that. The slop will always allow
>> vibration which will destroy the pinion seal and bearing as well as the
>> u-joint eventually or just blow the yoke apart...
>>
>> I have 'heard' a good welder can fill the hole, then regrind a new seat,
>> I have also heard of shims and just plain welding the cap to the yoke.
>>
>> No matter how you decide to try and use it, you should get new straps.
>> They are very inexpensive.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>>
>>
>> jerryg wrote:
>> > Well my u joint in the rear was not bad as I suspected, but what I
>> > found was a strap was loose. It was allowing the shaft to move
>> > laterally. Took it to the mechanic, he said u joint was fine. Bearings
>> > were good. He said to center it in the yoke upon reinstallation. There
>> > are tabs or stops to contain the bearing caps on either side of the
>> > yoke, but it is not a tight fit. How can you center it? There is about
>> > 1/16" gap. If not centered, won't it vibrate?
>>
>> > Thanks,
>>
>> > Greg- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I'm going tomorrow to buy the joint. I pulled the driveshaft again and
> took a look at the yoke. It looked fine, Took a measurement across the
> tabs to see if they were bent out. 3.875". Good. Measured across the
> bearing caps, relaxed, I could squeeze them a little, but a good .125"
> under. I hope a new one will work. Things did not look that bad under
> there. Will get new straps. Am going to have a mechanic put it in. And
> I will reinstall the driveshaft myself. Thanks guys for all the help.
>
> Greg>
>
> Greg
>