turn signal problem 93 yj
 

Hey, I haven't posted here in a few years, but I'm back with a problem that
has me stumped.

My rear right turn signal is out. When I lift the lever to turn right, the
remaining two lights don't flash, they just turn on. So I went through the
normal checklist. I changed the bulb, but that didn't fix anything. I
checked the connector to the light box. That wasn't the problem. So I got
out the DMM and started looking at voltages of the wires leading into the
rear right light. The running light works (which is the lower wattage
filament in the same bulb that makes the turn signal). The brake light
doesn't work (the same filament as the turn signal), and obviously the turn
signal doesn't work.

I moved back up the electrical steam toward the dash and checked the
voltages in the wires just as they come by the parking break. Again, I get
a 12v signal to the running light but no signal in the wire that lights the
brake light or the turn signal.

I've checked fuses...I've checked bulbs...I'm all out of ideas of simple
fixes. I only have two more thoughts, but before I went too far with them,
I wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas. I'm thinking that the problem
might be in the relay that makes the light circuit go on and off. However,
I would think that might affect all of my turn signals and not just the
right rear one. My last resort is that it's something wrong in the column
in the lever and turn signal switch itself. That'll be a pain to do
anything with, so I wanted some advice before I started tearing the steering
column apart.

~Ben

93 yj (named Fletch)

Re: turn signal problem 93 yj
 

Hi Ben,
If you switch the turn signal to the right turn position and only
the front right lights, then you push it further up and that will add
the rear light, then it must be in your switch. More than likely you
will have no brake lights if you turn the signal is in the left turn
position.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ben Black wrote:
>
> Hey, I haven't posted here in a few years, but I'm back with a problem that
> has me stumped.
>
> My rear right turn signal is out. When I lift the lever to turn right, the
> remaining two lights don't flash, they just turn on. So I went through the
> normal checklist. I changed the bulb, but that didn't fix anything. I
> checked the connector to the light box. That wasn't the problem. So I got
> out the DMM and started looking at voltages of the wires leading into the
> rear right light. The running light works (which is the lower wattage
> filament in the same bulb that makes the turn signal). The brake light
> doesn't work (the same filament as the turn signal), and obviously the turn
> signal doesn't work.
>
> I moved back up the electrical steam toward the dash and checked the
> voltages in the wires just as they come by the parking break. Again, I get
> a 12v signal to the running light but no signal in the wire that lights the
> brake light or the turn signal.
>
> I've checked fuses...I've checked bulbs...I'm all out of ideas of simple
> fixes. I only have two more thoughts, but before I went too far with them,
> I wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas. I'm thinking that the problem
> might be in the relay that makes the light circuit go on and off. However,
> I would think that might affect all of my turn signals and not just the
> right rear one. My last resort is that it's something wrong in the column
> in the lever and turn signal switch itself. That'll be a pain to do
> anything with, so I wanted some advice before I started tearing the steering
> column apart.
>
> ~Ben
>
> 93 yj (named Fletch)

Re: turn signal problem 93 yj
 

Hi Ben,
If you switch the turn signal to the right turn position and only
the front right lights, then you push it further up and that will add
the rear light, then it must be in your switch. More than likely you
will have no brake lights if you turn the signal is in the left turn
position.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ben Black wrote:
>
> Hey, I haven't posted here in a few years, but I'm back with a problem that
> has me stumped.
>
> My rear right turn signal is out. When I lift the lever to turn right, the
> remaining two lights don't flash, they just turn on. So I went through the
> normal checklist. I changed the bulb, but that didn't fix anything. I
> checked the connector to the light box. That wasn't the problem. So I got
> out the DMM and started looking at voltages of the wires leading into the
> rear right light. The running light works (which is the lower wattage
> filament in the same bulb that makes the turn signal). The brake light
> doesn't work (the same filament as the turn signal), and obviously the turn
> signal doesn't work.
>
> I moved back up the electrical steam toward the dash and checked the
> voltages in the wires just as they come by the parking break. Again, I get
> a 12v signal to the running light but no signal in the wire that lights the
> brake light or the turn signal.
>
> I've checked fuses...I've checked bulbs...I'm all out of ideas of simple
> fixes. I only have two more thoughts, but before I went too far with them,
> I wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas. I'm thinking that the problem
> might be in the relay that makes the light circuit go on and off. However,
> I would think that might affect all of my turn signals and not just the
> right rear one. My last resort is that it's something wrong in the column
> in the lever and turn signal switch itself. That'll be a pain to do
> anything with, so I wanted some advice before I started tearing the steering
> column apart.
>
> ~Ben
>
> 93 yj (named Fletch)

Re: turn signal problem 93 yj
 

Hi Ben,
If you switch the turn signal to the right turn position and only
the front right lights, then you push it further up and that will add
the rear light, then it must be in your switch. More than likely you
will have no brake lights if you turn the signal is in the left turn
position.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ben Black wrote:
>
> Hey, I haven't posted here in a few years, but I'm back with a problem that
> has me stumped.
>
> My rear right turn signal is out. When I lift the lever to turn right, the
> remaining two lights don't flash, they just turn on. So I went through the
> normal checklist. I changed the bulb, but that didn't fix anything. I
> checked the connector to the light box. That wasn't the problem. So I got
> out the DMM and started looking at voltages of the wires leading into the
> rear right light. The running light works (which is the lower wattage
> filament in the same bulb that makes the turn signal). The brake light
> doesn't work (the same filament as the turn signal), and obviously the turn
> signal doesn't work.
>
> I moved back up the electrical steam toward the dash and checked the
> voltages in the wires just as they come by the parking break. Again, I get
> a 12v signal to the running light but no signal in the wire that lights the
> brake light or the turn signal.
>
> I've checked fuses...I've checked bulbs...I'm all out of ideas of simple
> fixes. I only have two more thoughts, but before I went too far with them,
> I wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas. I'm thinking that the problem
> might be in the relay that makes the light circuit go on and off. However,
> I would think that might affect all of my turn signals and not just the
> right rear one. My last resort is that it's something wrong in the column
> in the lever and turn signal switch itself. That'll be a pain to do
> anything with, so I wanted some advice before I started tearing the steering
> column apart.
>
> ~Ben
>
> 93 yj (named Fletch)

Re: turn signal problem 93 yj
 

Please try explaining this again.

You say the lights 'turn on' in one sentence and no brake light in
another. Which is it or is it both?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


Ben Black wrote:
>
> Hey, I haven't posted here in a few years, but I'm back with a problem that
> has me stumped.
>
> My rear right turn signal is out. When I lift the lever to turn right, the
> remaining two lights don't flash, they just turn on. So I went through the
> normal checklist. I changed the bulb, but that didn't fix anything. I
> checked the connector to the light box. That wasn't the problem. So I got
> out the DMM and started looking at voltages of the wires leading into the
> rear right light. The running light works (which is the lower wattage
> filament in the same bulb that makes the turn signal). The brake light
> doesn't work (the same filament as the turn signal), and obviously the turn
> signal doesn't work.
>
> I moved back up the electrical steam toward the dash and checked the
> voltages in the wires just as they come by the parking break. Again, I get
> a 12v signal to the running light but no signal in the wire that lights the
> brake light or the turn signal.
>
> I've checked fuses...I've checked bulbs...I'm all out of ideas of simple
> fixes. I only have two more thoughts, but before I went too far with them,
> I wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas. I'm thinking that the problem
> might be in the relay that makes the light circuit go on and off. However,
> I would think that might affect all of my turn signals and not just the
> right rear one. My last resort is that it's something wrong in the column
> in the lever and turn signal switch itself. That'll be a pain to do
> anything with, so I wanted some advice before I started tearing the steering
> column apart.
>
> ~Ben
>
> 93 yj (named Fletch)

Re: turn signal problem 93 yj
 

Please try explaining this again.

You say the lights 'turn on' in one sentence and no brake light in
another. Which is it or is it both?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


Ben Black wrote:
>
> Hey, I haven't posted here in a few years, but I'm back with a problem that
> has me stumped.
>
> My rear right turn signal is out. When I lift the lever to turn right, the
> remaining two lights don't flash, they just turn on. So I went through the
> normal checklist. I changed the bulb, but that didn't fix anything. I
> checked the connector to the light box. That wasn't the problem. So I got
> out the DMM and started looking at voltages of the wires leading into the
> rear right light. The running light works (which is the lower wattage
> filament in the same bulb that makes the turn signal). The brake light
> doesn't work (the same filament as the turn signal), and obviously the turn
> signal doesn't work.
>
> I moved back up the electrical steam toward the dash and checked the
> voltages in the wires just as they come by the parking break. Again, I get
> a 12v signal to the running light but no signal in the wire that lights the
> brake light or the turn signal.
>
> I've checked fuses...I've checked bulbs...I'm all out of ideas of simple
> fixes. I only have two more thoughts, but before I went too far with them,
> I wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas. I'm thinking that the problem
> might be in the relay that makes the light circuit go on and off. However,
> I would think that might affect all of my turn signals and not just the
> right rear one. My last resort is that it's something wrong in the column
> in the lever and turn signal switch itself. That'll be a pain to do
> anything with, so I wanted some advice before I started tearing the steering
> column apart.
>
> ~Ben
>
> 93 yj (named Fletch)

Re: turn signal problem 93 yj
 

Please try explaining this again.

You say the lights 'turn on' in one sentence and no brake light in
another. Which is it or is it both?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


Ben Black wrote:
>
> Hey, I haven't posted here in a few years, but I'm back with a problem that
> has me stumped.
>
> My rear right turn signal is out. When I lift the lever to turn right, the
> remaining two lights don't flash, they just turn on. So I went through the
> normal checklist. I changed the bulb, but that didn't fix anything. I
> checked the connector to the light box. That wasn't the problem. So I got
> out the DMM and started looking at voltages of the wires leading into the
> rear right light. The running light works (which is the lower wattage
> filament in the same bulb that makes the turn signal). The brake light
> doesn't work (the same filament as the turn signal), and obviously the turn
> signal doesn't work.
>
> I moved back up the electrical steam toward the dash and checked the
> voltages in the wires just as they come by the parking break. Again, I get
> a 12v signal to the running light but no signal in the wire that lights the
> brake light or the turn signal.
>
> I've checked fuses...I've checked bulbs...I'm all out of ideas of simple
> fixes. I only have two more thoughts, but before I went too far with them,
> I wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas. I'm thinking that the problem
> might be in the relay that makes the light circuit go on and off. However,
> I would think that might affect all of my turn signals and not just the
> right rear one. My last resort is that it's something wrong in the column
> in the lever and turn signal switch itself. That'll be a pain to do
> anything with, so I wanted some advice before I started tearing the steering
> column apart.
>
> ~Ben
>
> 93 yj (named Fletch)

Re: turn signal problem 93 yj
 

Right...sorry for the confusion.

I'm actually talking about a bunch of different sets of lights throughout my
posting. I went through all of my troubleshooting, but let me try to
simplify better.

When I lift the lever to activate the right turn signal, the front and side
turn lights come on. They don't flash, nor does the dash make the expected
clicking sound of the turn signal. The rear light doesn't come on at all.
Secondary to that, the rear right brake light doesn't work. Other than
using the same high wattage filament of the dual filamant bulb in the rear
light assembly, I'm not sure what the connection is.

The bulb is good. All of the other lights work. I'm just not getting any
voltage in the wires that power those two lights. If it were a problem in
the column, why would that affect the brake light? If it were a problem
somewhere in the circuitry of the turn signal, again, why would that affect
the brake light? However, if it were a problem with the brake light, why
would that affect the blinking of the turn signal? There's obviously some
problem between the column and fuse box, but I'm not sure where it could be.

As a side note, why would they run different circuits for the three brake
lights (right left and center)? Wouldn't it be smarter to only run one wire
and split it off at the end? Or would that have required a larger diameter
wire thereby making the engineers want to run three seperate wires that were
the same size...

~Ben
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4038C736.690B720B@sympatico.ca...
> Please try explaining this again.
>
> You say the lights 'turn on' in one sentence and no brake light in
> another. Which is it or is it both?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
> Ben Black wrote:
> >
> > Hey, I haven't posted here in a few years, but I'm back with a problem
that
> > has me stumped.
> >
> > My rear right turn signal is out. When I lift the lever to turn right,
the
> > remaining two lights don't flash, they just turn on. So I went through
the
> > normal checklist. I changed the bulb, but that didn't fix anything. I
> > checked the connector to the light box. That wasn't the problem. So I
got
> > out the DMM and started looking at voltages of the wires leading into
the
> > rear right light. The running light works (which is the lower wattage
> > filament in the same bulb that makes the turn signal). The brake light
> > doesn't work (the same filament as the turn signal), and obviously the
turn
> > signal doesn't work.
> >
> > I moved back up the electrical steam toward the dash and checked the
> > voltages in the wires just as they come by the parking break. Again, I
get
> > a 12v signal to the running light but no signal in the wire that lights
the
> > brake light or the turn signal.
> >
> > I've checked fuses...I've checked bulbs...I'm all out of ideas of simple
> > fixes. I only have two more thoughts, but before I went too far with
them,
> > I wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas. I'm thinking that the
problem
> > might be in the relay that makes the light circuit go on and off.
However,
> > I would think that might affect all of my turn signals and not just the
> > right rear one. My last resort is that it's something wrong in the
column
> > in the lever and turn signal switch itself. That'll be a pain to do
> > anything with, so I wanted some advice before I started tearing the
steering
> > column apart.
> >
> > ~Ben
> >
> > 93 yj (named Fletch)

Re: turn signal problem 93 yj
 

Right...sorry for the confusion.

I'm actually talking about a bunch of different sets of lights throughout my
posting. I went through all of my troubleshooting, but let me try to
simplify better.

When I lift the lever to activate the right turn signal, the front and side
turn lights come on. They don't flash, nor does the dash make the expected
clicking sound of the turn signal. The rear light doesn't come on at all.
Secondary to that, the rear right brake light doesn't work. Other than
using the same high wattage filament of the dual filamant bulb in the rear
light assembly, I'm not sure what the connection is.

The bulb is good. All of the other lights work. I'm just not getting any
voltage in the wires that power those two lights. If it were a problem in
the column, why would that affect the brake light? If it were a problem
somewhere in the circuitry of the turn signal, again, why would that affect
the brake light? However, if it were a problem with the brake light, why
would that affect the blinking of the turn signal? There's obviously some
problem between the column and fuse box, but I'm not sure where it could be.

As a side note, why would they run different circuits for the three brake
lights (right left and center)? Wouldn't it be smarter to only run one wire
and split it off at the end? Or would that have required a larger diameter
wire thereby making the engineers want to run three seperate wires that were
the same size...

~Ben
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4038C736.690B720B@sympatico.ca...
> Please try explaining this again.
>
> You say the lights 'turn on' in one sentence and no brake light in
> another. Which is it or is it both?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
> Ben Black wrote:
> >
> > Hey, I haven't posted here in a few years, but I'm back with a problem
that
> > has me stumped.
> >
> > My rear right turn signal is out. When I lift the lever to turn right,
the
> > remaining two lights don't flash, they just turn on. So I went through
the
> > normal checklist. I changed the bulb, but that didn't fix anything. I
> > checked the connector to the light box. That wasn't the problem. So I
got
> > out the DMM and started looking at voltages of the wires leading into
the
> > rear right light. The running light works (which is the lower wattage
> > filament in the same bulb that makes the turn signal). The brake light
> > doesn't work (the same filament as the turn signal), and obviously the
turn
> > signal doesn't work.
> >
> > I moved back up the electrical steam toward the dash and checked the
> > voltages in the wires just as they come by the parking break. Again, I
get
> > a 12v signal to the running light but no signal in the wire that lights
the
> > brake light or the turn signal.
> >
> > I've checked fuses...I've checked bulbs...I'm all out of ideas of simple
> > fixes. I only have two more thoughts, but before I went too far with
them,
> > I wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas. I'm thinking that the
problem
> > might be in the relay that makes the light circuit go on and off.
However,
> > I would think that might affect all of my turn signals and not just the
> > right rear one. My last resort is that it's something wrong in the
column
> > in the lever and turn signal switch itself. That'll be a pain to do
> > anything with, so I wanted some advice before I started tearing the
steering
> > column apart.
> >
> > ~Ben
> >
> > 93 yj (named Fletch)

Re: turn signal problem 93 yj
 

Right...sorry for the confusion.

I'm actually talking about a bunch of different sets of lights throughout my
posting. I went through all of my troubleshooting, but let me try to
simplify better.

When I lift the lever to activate the right turn signal, the front and side
turn lights come on. They don't flash, nor does the dash make the expected
clicking sound of the turn signal. The rear light doesn't come on at all.
Secondary to that, the rear right brake light doesn't work. Other than
using the same high wattage filament of the dual filamant bulb in the rear
light assembly, I'm not sure what the connection is.

The bulb is good. All of the other lights work. I'm just not getting any
voltage in the wires that power those two lights. If it were a problem in
the column, why would that affect the brake light? If it were a problem
somewhere in the circuitry of the turn signal, again, why would that affect
the brake light? However, if it were a problem with the brake light, why
would that affect the blinking of the turn signal? There's obviously some
problem between the column and fuse box, but I'm not sure where it could be.

As a side note, why would they run different circuits for the three brake
lights (right left and center)? Wouldn't it be smarter to only run one wire
and split it off at the end? Or would that have required a larger diameter
wire thereby making the engineers want to run three seperate wires that were
the same size...

~Ben
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4038C736.690B720B@sympatico.ca...
> Please try explaining this again.
>
> You say the lights 'turn on' in one sentence and no brake light in
> another. Which is it or is it both?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
> Ben Black wrote:
> >
> > Hey, I haven't posted here in a few years, but I'm back with a problem
that
> > has me stumped.
> >
> > My rear right turn signal is out. When I lift the lever to turn right,
the
> > remaining two lights don't flash, they just turn on. So I went through
the
> > normal checklist. I changed the bulb, but that didn't fix anything. I
> > checked the connector to the light box. That wasn't the problem. So I
got
> > out the DMM and started looking at voltages of the wires leading into
the
> > rear right light. The running light works (which is the lower wattage
> > filament in the same bulb that makes the turn signal). The brake light
> > doesn't work (the same filament as the turn signal), and obviously the
turn
> > signal doesn't work.
> >
> > I moved back up the electrical steam toward the dash and checked the
> > voltages in the wires just as they come by the parking break. Again, I
get
> > a 12v signal to the running light but no signal in the wire that lights
the
> > brake light or the turn signal.
> >
> > I've checked fuses...I've checked bulbs...I'm all out of ideas of simple
> > fixes. I only have two more thoughts, but before I went too far with
them,
> > I wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas. I'm thinking that the
problem
> > might be in the relay that makes the light circuit go on and off.
However,
> > I would think that might affect all of my turn signals and not just the
> > right rear one. My last resort is that it's something wrong in the
column
> > in the lever and turn signal switch itself. That'll be a pain to do
> > anything with, so I wanted some advice before I started tearing the
steering
> > column apart.
> >
> > ~Ben
> >
> > 93 yj (named Fletch)