DougW

Lon Stowell did pass the time by typing:
> Approximately 11/15/03 18:07, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
>> Lifter tapping and lifter not pumped up amount to the same thing.
>> Problem with Doug's idea is that the lifters are in the bottom of the
>> block and I don't think they can be replaced from the top so you're
>> looking at having to pull the cam shaft. I don't know that it's
>> doable in place - not because of accessibility but you run out of room
>> to work.
>
> Claim is that they can be removed from the top, but needs removal
> of the:
> cylinder head cover
> rocker assemblies
> push rod
> intake and exhaust manifold.
>
> Whether or not the Chrysler C-4129-A tool is available to
> buy and use is unknown, but with it on the 4.0 that is all
> the FSM claims is needed.
>
> I still think checking the distributor as someone else noted
> is a good idea first...
>
> SOMETIMES a ticking lifter can be convinced to quit leaking
> down by a shot of motor honey or other similar to stp oil
> treatment... as a diagnostic not a fix.

aka. Top cylinder lube. Marvelous Mystery Oil..

But to pull the lifters you have to take the head off and that
does require removal of the rocker assembly and manifolds.
... it's not that hard to do ..

If you do this... First time you can re-use the head bolts.
Second time you need to use new head bolts.

Always use a new gasket. Even if the book says otherwise.

--
DougW

Robert Goldpalm

Today, I had the car for a 400-Miles drive. The engine
works well. Power, oil pressure, gas consumption
are all fine.

So far, the noise is only a cosmetic problem, but an
annoying one. Checked on the distributor, but it
seems ok.

Any way to fix a leaking lifter without replacing parts?
Any snake oil or mystery additive out there, that kind of
permanent cures this noise?

There are quit a few messages here saying, that all 4 L 6 make
this noise, sooner or later, and that it is inherent to the design
of this engine. Is that really so? Would it go away by itself?

Robert Goldpalm

Today, I had the car for a 400-Miles drive. The engine
works well. Power, oil pressure, gas consumption
are all fine.

So far, the noise is only a cosmetic problem, but an
annoying one. Checked on the distributor, but it
seems ok.

Any way to fix a leaking lifter without replacing parts?
Any snake oil or mystery additive out there, that kind of
permanent cures this noise?

There are quit a few messages here saying, that all 4 L 6 make
this noise, sooner or later, and that it is inherent to the design
of this engine. Is that really so? Would it go away by itself?

Robert Goldpalm

Today, I had the car for a 400-Miles drive. The engine
works well. Power, oil pressure, gas consumption
are all fine.

So far, the noise is only a cosmetic problem, but an
annoying one. Checked on the distributor, but it
seems ok.

Any way to fix a leaking lifter without replacing parts?
Any snake oil or mystery additive out there, that kind of
permanent cures this noise?

There are quit a few messages here saying, that all 4 L 6 make
this noise, sooner or later, and that it is inherent to the design
of this engine. Is that really so? Would it go away by itself?

c

"Robert Goldpalm" <goldpalm@loxinfo.co.th> wrote in message
news:68468edd.0311160447.cafd09@posting.google.com ...
> Today, I had the car for a 400-Miles drive. The engine
> works well. Power, oil pressure, gas consumption
> are all fine.
>
> So far, the noise is only a cosmetic problem, but an
> annoying one. Checked on the distributor, but it
> seems ok.
>
> Any way to fix a leaking lifter without replacing parts?
> Any snake oil or mystery additive out there, that kind of
> permanent cures this noise?
>
> There are quit a few messages here saying, that all 4 L 6 make
> this noise, sooner or later, and that it is inherent to the design
> of this engine. Is that really so? Would it go away by itself?

Robert,

Normally I don't recommend adding "miracle cures" to oil because most of
them are useless. However, I did try some lifter and valve treatment made by
PB Blaster one time. The stuff actually fixed some noisy lifters in an old
beater car I had. I suspect this stuff was some type of detergent to clean
the garbage out of the lifters and valve guides. Something like this may
work IF the cause of your noise is a sticky lifter. If it is a lifter that
is bleeding down and not holding pressure because it is worn, then I doubt
that anything will help other than replacing the lifter(s).

Chris

c

"Robert Goldpalm" <goldpalm@loxinfo.co.th> wrote in message
news:68468edd.0311160447.cafd09@posting.google.com ...
> Today, I had the car for a 400-Miles drive. The engine
> works well. Power, oil pressure, gas consumption
> are all fine.
>
> So far, the noise is only a cosmetic problem, but an
> annoying one. Checked on the distributor, but it
> seems ok.
>
> Any way to fix a leaking lifter without replacing parts?
> Any snake oil or mystery additive out there, that kind of
> permanent cures this noise?
>
> There are quit a few messages here saying, that all 4 L 6 make
> this noise, sooner or later, and that it is inherent to the design
> of this engine. Is that really so? Would it go away by itself?

Robert,

Normally I don't recommend adding "miracle cures" to oil because most of
them are useless. However, I did try some lifter and valve treatment made by
PB Blaster one time. The stuff actually fixed some noisy lifters in an old
beater car I had. I suspect this stuff was some type of detergent to clean
the garbage out of the lifters and valve guides. Something like this may
work IF the cause of your noise is a sticky lifter. If it is a lifter that
is bleeding down and not holding pressure because it is worn, then I doubt
that anything will help other than replacing the lifter(s).

Chris

c

"Robert Goldpalm" <goldpalm@loxinfo.co.th> wrote in message
news:68468edd.0311160447.cafd09@posting.google.com ...
> Today, I had the car for a 400-Miles drive. The engine
> works well. Power, oil pressure, gas consumption
> are all fine.
>
> So far, the noise is only a cosmetic problem, but an
> annoying one. Checked on the distributor, but it
> seems ok.
>
> Any way to fix a leaking lifter without replacing parts?
> Any snake oil or mystery additive out there, that kind of
> permanent cures this noise?
>
> There are quit a few messages here saying, that all 4 L 6 make
> this noise, sooner or later, and that it is inherent to the design
> of this engine. Is that really so? Would it go away by itself?

Robert,

Normally I don't recommend adding "miracle cures" to oil because most of
them are useless. However, I did try some lifter and valve treatment made by
PB Blaster one time. The stuff actually fixed some noisy lifters in an old
beater car I had. I suspect this stuff was some type of detergent to clean
the garbage out of the lifters and valve guides. Something like this may
work IF the cause of your noise is a sticky lifter. If it is a lifter that
is bleeding down and not holding pressure because it is worn, then I doubt
that anything will help other than replacing the lifter(s).

Chris

Lon Stowell

Approximately 11/16/03 00:18, DougW uttered for posterity:

> Lon Stowell did pass the time by typing:

>> SOMETIMES a ticking lifter can be convinced to quit leaking
>> down by a shot of motor honey or other similar to stp oil
>> treatment... as a diagnostic not a fix.
>
> aka. Top cylinder lube. Marvelous Mystery Oil..

Minor correction here. Marvel Mystery is a very thin oil
claimed to be useful for helping remove crud, expanding
loose seals, mixing with synth, curing warts, etc. However
Marvel Mystery is not a substitute for Motor Honey or STP
Oil treatment. Both Motor Honey and STP Oil Treatment
are extremely thick and extremely slippery substances and
both can be thick enough that they will not drain down
from a marginal lifter. Unlike normal oil, both of these
also remain lubricating even when thicker than cold honey,
as the old trick of trying to hold a screwdriver in your
fingers that has been coated with STP demonstrates. You
can also, in an emergency, run an air cooled engine in the
Baja with nothing but STP in the crankcase, as also was
proven. The STP treatment was fairly common on old Corvair
engines that had a bad habit of lifter collapse.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ***

Lon Stowell

Approximately 11/16/03 00:18, DougW uttered for posterity:

> Lon Stowell did pass the time by typing:

>> SOMETIMES a ticking lifter can be convinced to quit leaking
>> down by a shot of motor honey or other similar to stp oil
>> treatment... as a diagnostic not a fix.
>
> aka. Top cylinder lube. Marvelous Mystery Oil..

Minor correction here. Marvel Mystery is a very thin oil
claimed to be useful for helping remove crud, expanding
loose seals, mixing with synth, curing warts, etc. However
Marvel Mystery is not a substitute for Motor Honey or STP
Oil treatment. Both Motor Honey and STP Oil Treatment
are extremely thick and extremely slippery substances and
both can be thick enough that they will not drain down
from a marginal lifter. Unlike normal oil, both of these
also remain lubricating even when thicker than cold honey,
as the old trick of trying to hold a screwdriver in your
fingers that has been coated with STP demonstrates. You
can also, in an emergency, run an air cooled engine in the
Baja with nothing but STP in the crankcase, as also was
proven. The STP treatment was fairly common on old Corvair
engines that had a bad habit of lifter collapse.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ***

Lon Stowell

Approximately 11/16/03 00:18, DougW uttered for posterity:

> Lon Stowell did pass the time by typing:

>> SOMETIMES a ticking lifter can be convinced to quit leaking
>> down by a shot of motor honey or other similar to stp oil
>> treatment... as a diagnostic not a fix.
>
> aka. Top cylinder lube. Marvelous Mystery Oil..

Minor correction here. Marvel Mystery is a very thin oil
claimed to be useful for helping remove crud, expanding
loose seals, mixing with synth, curing warts, etc. However
Marvel Mystery is not a substitute for Motor Honey or STP
Oil treatment. Both Motor Honey and STP Oil Treatment
are extremely thick and extremely slippery substances and
both can be thick enough that they will not drain down
from a marginal lifter. Unlike normal oil, both of these
also remain lubricating even when thicker than cold honey,
as the old trick of trying to hold a screwdriver in your
fingers that has been coated with STP demonstrates. You
can also, in an emergency, run an air cooled engine in the
Baja with nothing but STP in the crankcase, as also was
proven. The STP treatment was fairly common on old Corvair
engines that had a bad habit of lifter collapse.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ***