Truth is Stranger than Fiction
#21
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Re: Truth is Stranger than Fiction
I once drove a '64 Dodge that would regularly bend the clutch
cross-shaft out of spite. I must have welded it 20 times before it
finally held. Lousy engineering to say the least.
I'm glad the problem is finally fixed. And I'm astounded that females
actually help fix cars. I'd sure like to meet one of these someday.
Actually, here in sunny CA, I'd just like to meet someone NORMAL for a
change. Ah, this life.
cross-shaft out of spite. I must have welded it 20 times before it
finally held. Lousy engineering to say the least.
I'm glad the problem is finally fixed. And I'm astounded that females
actually help fix cars. I'd sure like to meet one of these someday.
Actually, here in sunny CA, I'd just like to meet someone NORMAL for a
change. Ah, this life.
#22
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Re: Truth is Stranger than Fiction
I once drove a '64 Dodge that would regularly bend the clutch
cross-shaft out of spite. I must have welded it 20 times before it
finally held. Lousy engineering to say the least.
I'm glad the problem is finally fixed. And I'm astounded that females
actually help fix cars. I'd sure like to meet one of these someday.
Actually, here in sunny CA, I'd just like to meet someone NORMAL for a
change. Ah, this life.
cross-shaft out of spite. I must have welded it 20 times before it
finally held. Lousy engineering to say the least.
I'm glad the problem is finally fixed. And I'm astounded that females
actually help fix cars. I'd sure like to meet one of these someday.
Actually, here in sunny CA, I'd just like to meet someone NORMAL for a
change. Ah, this life.
#23
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Re: Truth is Stranger than Fiction
One of the many times I had the transmission out of my Studebaker truck
it was because the clutch was acting up, the pedal went all the way to
the floor and wouldn't come up. (Studebakers have mechanical clutch
linkages)
So out it came... and everything seemed fine. I put it back together
and everything seemed fine for one ride around the block, then the pedal
went back to the floor and didn't come back up again.
Apart it came again and this time I found the clutch lever was twisting
on the splined shaft that goes into the bell housing and works the
throwout bearing. A little bit of welding and that particular problem
was fixed.
Unfortunately that wasn't the end of my problems with that
transmission... wish I could put a Jeep transmission behind a Studebaker V8!
Jeff DeWitt
CherokeeGirl wrote:
> This is follow-up to my previous question "Can I re-build it?" refering
> to the clutch master cylinder in my 91 Cherokee Laredo (175K). I
> ordered a new master cylinder on line. Received it no problem. Sunday
> project, my DH and I got under the shade trees to change it out.
> Everything went along real well. As we're tightening up the nuts on the
> new master cylinder, DH said"this is the easiest thing we've done on
> this vehicle" (he shouldn't've said that)." He says “Get in there and
> slip that push rod on the foot pedal and stick the keeper clip in it"
> (yep, going good! and it's not even noon yet!)
> OK I admit I'm a better go-pher than a do-er, but shouldn't be that
> darn hard to slip this thing on there! WILL NOT GO!! (like I said, he
> shouldn't've said that!)
> What the heck?! Won't line up. Get to looking at the foot lever,
> looks bent! How in the world? Thick as that metal is? Well, well,
> well, looks like the union auto worker must've taken a coffee break
> between welding the back side and welding the front side of the lever's
> pivoting mounting bracket at the firewall! So, a weak weld and a strong
> leg trying to get clutch clearance to shift gears --- bent clutch lever.
> OK, take the whole mounting bracket out, realign the clutch lever, weld
> it. Re-install the bracket, master cylinder push rod slips right on the
> pin!!! Yeah, home free !!!!! Fill master cylinder , etc, etc, etc.
> Time to test it …. Won’t shift …. Not enough pedal …. Feels like I’m
> trying to push it thru the floor to get clearance! What the heck?!
> (did I say, he shouldn’t have said that?!)
> Frustrated now! I get back under the dash, push the clutch with my
> hand and see that the lever is completely on the floor and indenting
> the carpet. Fruussttrated … I’ll pull the dang carpet out …. I only
> need a little more clearance! Take the interior strips out that hold
> the carpet in place on the driver’s side, pull the carpet out of the
> way, push the clutch pedal …. The lever is on the bare metal floor !!!!
> aarggg --- the dang push rod in the new master cylinder is TOOOOO
> SHORT!!!! …………………………
> DH builds an extension for the push rod, put it back on the clutch
> lever ….. works great!!! And it’s only 6pm … It’s been a couple of
> months now, shifts like brand new Jeep!!
> The truth as I think it was …. There was likely nothing wrong with the
> master cylinder to begin with …. Over time, the non-welded clutch lever
> gradually moved enough that the master cylinder push rod became “too
> short” for the longer distance caused by the bent lever!
>
>
>
>
it was because the clutch was acting up, the pedal went all the way to
the floor and wouldn't come up. (Studebakers have mechanical clutch
linkages)
So out it came... and everything seemed fine. I put it back together
and everything seemed fine for one ride around the block, then the pedal
went back to the floor and didn't come back up again.
Apart it came again and this time I found the clutch lever was twisting
on the splined shaft that goes into the bell housing and works the
throwout bearing. A little bit of welding and that particular problem
was fixed.
Unfortunately that wasn't the end of my problems with that
transmission... wish I could put a Jeep transmission behind a Studebaker V8!
Jeff DeWitt
CherokeeGirl wrote:
> This is follow-up to my previous question "Can I re-build it?" refering
> to the clutch master cylinder in my 91 Cherokee Laredo (175K). I
> ordered a new master cylinder on line. Received it no problem. Sunday
> project, my DH and I got under the shade trees to change it out.
> Everything went along real well. As we're tightening up the nuts on the
> new master cylinder, DH said"this is the easiest thing we've done on
> this vehicle" (he shouldn't've said that)." He says “Get in there and
> slip that push rod on the foot pedal and stick the keeper clip in it"
> (yep, going good! and it's not even noon yet!)
> OK I admit I'm a better go-pher than a do-er, but shouldn't be that
> darn hard to slip this thing on there! WILL NOT GO!! (like I said, he
> shouldn't've said that!)
> What the heck?! Won't line up. Get to looking at the foot lever,
> looks bent! How in the world? Thick as that metal is? Well, well,
> well, looks like the union auto worker must've taken a coffee break
> between welding the back side and welding the front side of the lever's
> pivoting mounting bracket at the firewall! So, a weak weld and a strong
> leg trying to get clutch clearance to shift gears --- bent clutch lever.
> OK, take the whole mounting bracket out, realign the clutch lever, weld
> it. Re-install the bracket, master cylinder push rod slips right on the
> pin!!! Yeah, home free !!!!! Fill master cylinder , etc, etc, etc.
> Time to test it …. Won’t shift …. Not enough pedal …. Feels like I’m
> trying to push it thru the floor to get clearance! What the heck?!
> (did I say, he shouldn’t have said that?!)
> Frustrated now! I get back under the dash, push the clutch with my
> hand and see that the lever is completely on the floor and indenting
> the carpet. Fruussttrated … I’ll pull the dang carpet out …. I only
> need a little more clearance! Take the interior strips out that hold
> the carpet in place on the driver’s side, pull the carpet out of the
> way, push the clutch pedal …. The lever is on the bare metal floor !!!!
> aarggg --- the dang push rod in the new master cylinder is TOOOOO
> SHORT!!!! …………………………
> DH builds an extension for the push rod, put it back on the clutch
> lever ….. works great!!! And it’s only 6pm … It’s been a couple of
> months now, shifts like brand new Jeep!!
> The truth as I think it was …. There was likely nothing wrong with the
> master cylinder to begin with …. Over time, the non-welded clutch lever
> gradually moved enough that the master cylinder push rod became “too
> short” for the longer distance caused by the bent lever!
>
>
>
>
#24
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Re: Truth is Stranger than Fiction
One of the many times I had the transmission out of my Studebaker truck
it was because the clutch was acting up, the pedal went all the way to
the floor and wouldn't come up. (Studebakers have mechanical clutch
linkages)
So out it came... and everything seemed fine. I put it back together
and everything seemed fine for one ride around the block, then the pedal
went back to the floor and didn't come back up again.
Apart it came again and this time I found the clutch lever was twisting
on the splined shaft that goes into the bell housing and works the
throwout bearing. A little bit of welding and that particular problem
was fixed.
Unfortunately that wasn't the end of my problems with that
transmission... wish I could put a Jeep transmission behind a Studebaker V8!
Jeff DeWitt
CherokeeGirl wrote:
> This is follow-up to my previous question "Can I re-build it?" refering
> to the clutch master cylinder in my 91 Cherokee Laredo (175K). I
> ordered a new master cylinder on line. Received it no problem. Sunday
> project, my DH and I got under the shade trees to change it out.
> Everything went along real well. As we're tightening up the nuts on the
> new master cylinder, DH said"this is the easiest thing we've done on
> this vehicle" (he shouldn't've said that)." He says “Get in there and
> slip that push rod on the foot pedal and stick the keeper clip in it"
> (yep, going good! and it's not even noon yet!)
> OK I admit I'm a better go-pher than a do-er, but shouldn't be that
> darn hard to slip this thing on there! WILL NOT GO!! (like I said, he
> shouldn't've said that!)
> What the heck?! Won't line up. Get to looking at the foot lever,
> looks bent! How in the world? Thick as that metal is? Well, well,
> well, looks like the union auto worker must've taken a coffee break
> between welding the back side and welding the front side of the lever's
> pivoting mounting bracket at the firewall! So, a weak weld and a strong
> leg trying to get clutch clearance to shift gears --- bent clutch lever.
> OK, take the whole mounting bracket out, realign the clutch lever, weld
> it. Re-install the bracket, master cylinder push rod slips right on the
> pin!!! Yeah, home free !!!!! Fill master cylinder , etc, etc, etc.
> Time to test it …. Won’t shift …. Not enough pedal …. Feels like I’m
> trying to push it thru the floor to get clearance! What the heck?!
> (did I say, he shouldn’t have said that?!)
> Frustrated now! I get back under the dash, push the clutch with my
> hand and see that the lever is completely on the floor and indenting
> the carpet. Fruussttrated … I’ll pull the dang carpet out …. I only
> need a little more clearance! Take the interior strips out that hold
> the carpet in place on the driver’s side, pull the carpet out of the
> way, push the clutch pedal …. The lever is on the bare metal floor !!!!
> aarggg --- the dang push rod in the new master cylinder is TOOOOO
> SHORT!!!! …………………………
> DH builds an extension for the push rod, put it back on the clutch
> lever ….. works great!!! And it’s only 6pm … It’s been a couple of
> months now, shifts like brand new Jeep!!
> The truth as I think it was …. There was likely nothing wrong with the
> master cylinder to begin with …. Over time, the non-welded clutch lever
> gradually moved enough that the master cylinder push rod became “too
> short” for the longer distance caused by the bent lever!
>
>
>
>
it was because the clutch was acting up, the pedal went all the way to
the floor and wouldn't come up. (Studebakers have mechanical clutch
linkages)
So out it came... and everything seemed fine. I put it back together
and everything seemed fine for one ride around the block, then the pedal
went back to the floor and didn't come back up again.
Apart it came again and this time I found the clutch lever was twisting
on the splined shaft that goes into the bell housing and works the
throwout bearing. A little bit of welding and that particular problem
was fixed.
Unfortunately that wasn't the end of my problems with that
transmission... wish I could put a Jeep transmission behind a Studebaker V8!
Jeff DeWitt
CherokeeGirl wrote:
> This is follow-up to my previous question "Can I re-build it?" refering
> to the clutch master cylinder in my 91 Cherokee Laredo (175K). I
> ordered a new master cylinder on line. Received it no problem. Sunday
> project, my DH and I got under the shade trees to change it out.
> Everything went along real well. As we're tightening up the nuts on the
> new master cylinder, DH said"this is the easiest thing we've done on
> this vehicle" (he shouldn't've said that)." He says “Get in there and
> slip that push rod on the foot pedal and stick the keeper clip in it"
> (yep, going good! and it's not even noon yet!)
> OK I admit I'm a better go-pher than a do-er, but shouldn't be that
> darn hard to slip this thing on there! WILL NOT GO!! (like I said, he
> shouldn't've said that!)
> What the heck?! Won't line up. Get to looking at the foot lever,
> looks bent! How in the world? Thick as that metal is? Well, well,
> well, looks like the union auto worker must've taken a coffee break
> between welding the back side and welding the front side of the lever's
> pivoting mounting bracket at the firewall! So, a weak weld and a strong
> leg trying to get clutch clearance to shift gears --- bent clutch lever.
> OK, take the whole mounting bracket out, realign the clutch lever, weld
> it. Re-install the bracket, master cylinder push rod slips right on the
> pin!!! Yeah, home free !!!!! Fill master cylinder , etc, etc, etc.
> Time to test it …. Won’t shift …. Not enough pedal …. Feels like I’m
> trying to push it thru the floor to get clearance! What the heck?!
> (did I say, he shouldn’t have said that?!)
> Frustrated now! I get back under the dash, push the clutch with my
> hand and see that the lever is completely on the floor and indenting
> the carpet. Fruussttrated … I’ll pull the dang carpet out …. I only
> need a little more clearance! Take the interior strips out that hold
> the carpet in place on the driver’s side, pull the carpet out of the
> way, push the clutch pedal …. The lever is on the bare metal floor !!!!
> aarggg --- the dang push rod in the new master cylinder is TOOOOO
> SHORT!!!! …………………………
> DH builds an extension for the push rod, put it back on the clutch
> lever ….. works great!!! And it’s only 6pm … It’s been a couple of
> months now, shifts like brand new Jeep!!
> The truth as I think it was …. There was likely nothing wrong with the
> master cylinder to begin with …. Over time, the non-welded clutch lever
> gradually moved enough that the master cylinder push rod became “too
> short” for the longer distance caused by the bent lever!
>
>
>
>
#25
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Re: Truth is Stranger than Fiction
One of the many times I had the transmission out of my Studebaker truck
it was because the clutch was acting up, the pedal went all the way to
the floor and wouldn't come up. (Studebakers have mechanical clutch
linkages)
So out it came... and everything seemed fine. I put it back together
and everything seemed fine for one ride around the block, then the pedal
went back to the floor and didn't come back up again.
Apart it came again and this time I found the clutch lever was twisting
on the splined shaft that goes into the bell housing and works the
throwout bearing. A little bit of welding and that particular problem
was fixed.
Unfortunately that wasn't the end of my problems with that
transmission... wish I could put a Jeep transmission behind a Studebaker V8!
Jeff DeWitt
CherokeeGirl wrote:
> This is follow-up to my previous question "Can I re-build it?" refering
> to the clutch master cylinder in my 91 Cherokee Laredo (175K). I
> ordered a new master cylinder on line. Received it no problem. Sunday
> project, my DH and I got under the shade trees to change it out.
> Everything went along real well. As we're tightening up the nuts on the
> new master cylinder, DH said"this is the easiest thing we've done on
> this vehicle" (he shouldn't've said that)." He says “Get in there and
> slip that push rod on the foot pedal and stick the keeper clip in it"
> (yep, going good! and it's not even noon yet!)
> OK I admit I'm a better go-pher than a do-er, but shouldn't be that
> darn hard to slip this thing on there! WILL NOT GO!! (like I said, he
> shouldn't've said that!)
> What the heck?! Won't line up. Get to looking at the foot lever,
> looks bent! How in the world? Thick as that metal is? Well, well,
> well, looks like the union auto worker must've taken a coffee break
> between welding the back side and welding the front side of the lever's
> pivoting mounting bracket at the firewall! So, a weak weld and a strong
> leg trying to get clutch clearance to shift gears --- bent clutch lever.
> OK, take the whole mounting bracket out, realign the clutch lever, weld
> it. Re-install the bracket, master cylinder push rod slips right on the
> pin!!! Yeah, home free !!!!! Fill master cylinder , etc, etc, etc.
> Time to test it …. Won’t shift …. Not enough pedal …. Feels like I’m
> trying to push it thru the floor to get clearance! What the heck?!
> (did I say, he shouldn’t have said that?!)
> Frustrated now! I get back under the dash, push the clutch with my
> hand and see that the lever is completely on the floor and indenting
> the carpet. Fruussttrated … I’ll pull the dang carpet out …. I only
> need a little more clearance! Take the interior strips out that hold
> the carpet in place on the driver’s side, pull the carpet out of the
> way, push the clutch pedal …. The lever is on the bare metal floor !!!!
> aarggg --- the dang push rod in the new master cylinder is TOOOOO
> SHORT!!!! …………………………
> DH builds an extension for the push rod, put it back on the clutch
> lever ….. works great!!! And it’s only 6pm … It’s been a couple of
> months now, shifts like brand new Jeep!!
> The truth as I think it was …. There was likely nothing wrong with the
> master cylinder to begin with …. Over time, the non-welded clutch lever
> gradually moved enough that the master cylinder push rod became “too
> short” for the longer distance caused by the bent lever!
>
>
>
>
it was because the clutch was acting up, the pedal went all the way to
the floor and wouldn't come up. (Studebakers have mechanical clutch
linkages)
So out it came... and everything seemed fine. I put it back together
and everything seemed fine for one ride around the block, then the pedal
went back to the floor and didn't come back up again.
Apart it came again and this time I found the clutch lever was twisting
on the splined shaft that goes into the bell housing and works the
throwout bearing. A little bit of welding and that particular problem
was fixed.
Unfortunately that wasn't the end of my problems with that
transmission... wish I could put a Jeep transmission behind a Studebaker V8!
Jeff DeWitt
CherokeeGirl wrote:
> This is follow-up to my previous question "Can I re-build it?" refering
> to the clutch master cylinder in my 91 Cherokee Laredo (175K). I
> ordered a new master cylinder on line. Received it no problem. Sunday
> project, my DH and I got under the shade trees to change it out.
> Everything went along real well. As we're tightening up the nuts on the
> new master cylinder, DH said"this is the easiest thing we've done on
> this vehicle" (he shouldn't've said that)." He says “Get in there and
> slip that push rod on the foot pedal and stick the keeper clip in it"
> (yep, going good! and it's not even noon yet!)
> OK I admit I'm a better go-pher than a do-er, but shouldn't be that
> darn hard to slip this thing on there! WILL NOT GO!! (like I said, he
> shouldn't've said that!)
> What the heck?! Won't line up. Get to looking at the foot lever,
> looks bent! How in the world? Thick as that metal is? Well, well,
> well, looks like the union auto worker must've taken a coffee break
> between welding the back side and welding the front side of the lever's
> pivoting mounting bracket at the firewall! So, a weak weld and a strong
> leg trying to get clutch clearance to shift gears --- bent clutch lever.
> OK, take the whole mounting bracket out, realign the clutch lever, weld
> it. Re-install the bracket, master cylinder push rod slips right on the
> pin!!! Yeah, home free !!!!! Fill master cylinder , etc, etc, etc.
> Time to test it …. Won’t shift …. Not enough pedal …. Feels like I’m
> trying to push it thru the floor to get clearance! What the heck?!
> (did I say, he shouldn’t have said that?!)
> Frustrated now! I get back under the dash, push the clutch with my
> hand and see that the lever is completely on the floor and indenting
> the carpet. Fruussttrated … I’ll pull the dang carpet out …. I only
> need a little more clearance! Take the interior strips out that hold
> the carpet in place on the driver’s side, pull the carpet out of the
> way, push the clutch pedal …. The lever is on the bare metal floor !!!!
> aarggg --- the dang push rod in the new master cylinder is TOOOOO
> SHORT!!!! …………………………
> DH builds an extension for the push rod, put it back on the clutch
> lever ….. works great!!! And it’s only 6pm … It’s been a couple of
> months now, shifts like brand new Jeep!!
> The truth as I think it was …. There was likely nothing wrong with the
> master cylinder to begin with …. Over time, the non-welded clutch lever
> gradually moved enough that the master cylinder push rod became “too
> short” for the longer distance caused by the bent lever!
>
>
>
>
#26
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Re: Truth is Stranger than Fiction
I had that problem on an 88 MJ. Problem was, the brake and clutch
pivot around a common shaft and are welded to a tube. Long story
short - parked a Sam's, hit the clutch to back out and hear a "POP" -
whole pedal broke off. Driving 10 miles even in light traffic with no
clutch is a challenge!
And that short push rod got me as well when I swapped out the internal
clutch for the external slave. Fix was to cut the the rod, thread the
ends and add a threaded union in the middle. When I changed the
master after a few years, I just swapped the push rods.
Sure is a funny feeling when you hit the clutch pedal and it just
flops, isn't it?
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:39:20 UTC CherokeeGirl
<CherokeeGirl.2g8wz2@news.autobanter.com> wrote:
>
> This is follow-up to my previous question "Can I re-build it?" refering
> to the clutch master cylinder in my 91 Cherokee Laredo (175K). I
> ordered a new master cylinder on line. Received it no problem. Sunday
> project, my DH and I got under the shade trees to change it out.
> Everything went along real well. As we're tightening up the nuts on the
> new master cylinder, DH said"this is the easiest thing we've done on
> this vehicle" (he shouldn't've said that)." He says ôGet in there and
> slip that push rod on the foot pedal and stick the keeper clip in it"
> (yep, going good! and it's not even noon yet!)
> OK I admit I'm a better go-pher than a do-er, but shouldn't be that
> darn hard to slip this thing on there! WILL NOT GO!! (like I said, he
> shouldn't've said that!)
> What the heck?! Won't line up. Get to looking at the foot lever,
> looks bent! How in the world? Thick as that metal is? Well, well,
> well, looks like the union auto worker must've taken a coffee break
> between welding the back side and welding the front side of the lever's
> pivoting mounting bracket at the firewall! So, a weak weld and a strong
> leg trying to get clutch clearance to shift gears --- bent clutch lever.
> OK, take the whole mounting bracket out, realign the clutch lever, weld
> it. Re-install the bracket, master cylinder push rod slips right on the
> pin!!! Yeah, home free !!!!! Fill master cylinder , etc, etc, etc.
> Time to test it à. WonÆt shift à. Not enough pedal à. Feels like IÆm
> trying to push it thru the floor to get clearance! What the heck?!
> (did I say, he shouldnÆt have said that?!)
> Frustrated now! I get back under the dash, push the clutch with my
> hand and see that the lever is completely on the floor and indenting
> the carpet. Fruussttrated à IÆll pull the dang carpet out à. I only
> need a little more clearance! Take the interior strips out that hold
> the carpet in place on the driverÆs side, pull the carpet out of the
> way, push the clutch pedal à. The lever is on the bare metal floor !!!!
> aarggg --- the dang push rod in the new master cylinder is TOOOOO
> SHORT!!!! àààààààààà
> DH builds an extension for the push rod, put it back on the clutch
> lever à.. works great!!! And itÆs only 6pm à ItÆs been a couple of
> months now, shifts like brand new Jeep!!
> The truth as I think it was à. There was likely nothing wrong with the
> master cylinder to begin with à. Over time, the non-welded clutch lever
> gradually moved enough that the master cylinder push rod became ôtoo
> shortö for the longer distance caused by the bent lever!
>
>
>
>
--
Will Honea
pivot around a common shaft and are welded to a tube. Long story
short - parked a Sam's, hit the clutch to back out and hear a "POP" -
whole pedal broke off. Driving 10 miles even in light traffic with no
clutch is a challenge!
And that short push rod got me as well when I swapped out the internal
clutch for the external slave. Fix was to cut the the rod, thread the
ends and add a threaded union in the middle. When I changed the
master after a few years, I just swapped the push rods.
Sure is a funny feeling when you hit the clutch pedal and it just
flops, isn't it?
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:39:20 UTC CherokeeGirl
<CherokeeGirl.2g8wz2@news.autobanter.com> wrote:
>
> This is follow-up to my previous question "Can I re-build it?" refering
> to the clutch master cylinder in my 91 Cherokee Laredo (175K). I
> ordered a new master cylinder on line. Received it no problem. Sunday
> project, my DH and I got under the shade trees to change it out.
> Everything went along real well. As we're tightening up the nuts on the
> new master cylinder, DH said"this is the easiest thing we've done on
> this vehicle" (he shouldn't've said that)." He says ôGet in there and
> slip that push rod on the foot pedal and stick the keeper clip in it"
> (yep, going good! and it's not even noon yet!)
> OK I admit I'm a better go-pher than a do-er, but shouldn't be that
> darn hard to slip this thing on there! WILL NOT GO!! (like I said, he
> shouldn't've said that!)
> What the heck?! Won't line up. Get to looking at the foot lever,
> looks bent! How in the world? Thick as that metal is? Well, well,
> well, looks like the union auto worker must've taken a coffee break
> between welding the back side and welding the front side of the lever's
> pivoting mounting bracket at the firewall! So, a weak weld and a strong
> leg trying to get clutch clearance to shift gears --- bent clutch lever.
> OK, take the whole mounting bracket out, realign the clutch lever, weld
> it. Re-install the bracket, master cylinder push rod slips right on the
> pin!!! Yeah, home free !!!!! Fill master cylinder , etc, etc, etc.
> Time to test it à. WonÆt shift à. Not enough pedal à. Feels like IÆm
> trying to push it thru the floor to get clearance! What the heck?!
> (did I say, he shouldnÆt have said that?!)
> Frustrated now! I get back under the dash, push the clutch with my
> hand and see that the lever is completely on the floor and indenting
> the carpet. Fruussttrated à IÆll pull the dang carpet out à. I only
> need a little more clearance! Take the interior strips out that hold
> the carpet in place on the driverÆs side, pull the carpet out of the
> way, push the clutch pedal à. The lever is on the bare metal floor !!!!
> aarggg --- the dang push rod in the new master cylinder is TOOOOO
> SHORT!!!! àààààààààà
> DH builds an extension for the push rod, put it back on the clutch
> lever à.. works great!!! And itÆs only 6pm à ItÆs been a couple of
> months now, shifts like brand new Jeep!!
> The truth as I think it was à. There was likely nothing wrong with the
> master cylinder to begin with à. Over time, the non-welded clutch lever
> gradually moved enough that the master cylinder push rod became ôtoo
> shortö for the longer distance caused by the bent lever!
>
>
>
>
--
Will Honea
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Truth is Stranger than Fiction
I had that problem on an 88 MJ. Problem was, the brake and clutch
pivot around a common shaft and are welded to a tube. Long story
short - parked a Sam's, hit the clutch to back out and hear a "POP" -
whole pedal broke off. Driving 10 miles even in light traffic with no
clutch is a challenge!
And that short push rod got me as well when I swapped out the internal
clutch for the external slave. Fix was to cut the the rod, thread the
ends and add a threaded union in the middle. When I changed the
master after a few years, I just swapped the push rods.
Sure is a funny feeling when you hit the clutch pedal and it just
flops, isn't it?
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:39:20 UTC CherokeeGirl
<CherokeeGirl.2g8wz2@news.autobanter.com> wrote:
>
> This is follow-up to my previous question "Can I re-build it?" refering
> to the clutch master cylinder in my 91 Cherokee Laredo (175K). I
> ordered a new master cylinder on line. Received it no problem. Sunday
> project, my DH and I got under the shade trees to change it out.
> Everything went along real well. As we're tightening up the nuts on the
> new master cylinder, DH said"this is the easiest thing we've done on
> this vehicle" (he shouldn't've said that)." He says ôGet in there and
> slip that push rod on the foot pedal and stick the keeper clip in it"
> (yep, going good! and it's not even noon yet!)
> OK I admit I'm a better go-pher than a do-er, but shouldn't be that
> darn hard to slip this thing on there! WILL NOT GO!! (like I said, he
> shouldn't've said that!)
> What the heck?! Won't line up. Get to looking at the foot lever,
> looks bent! How in the world? Thick as that metal is? Well, well,
> well, looks like the union auto worker must've taken a coffee break
> between welding the back side and welding the front side of the lever's
> pivoting mounting bracket at the firewall! So, a weak weld and a strong
> leg trying to get clutch clearance to shift gears --- bent clutch lever.
> OK, take the whole mounting bracket out, realign the clutch lever, weld
> it. Re-install the bracket, master cylinder push rod slips right on the
> pin!!! Yeah, home free !!!!! Fill master cylinder , etc, etc, etc.
> Time to test it à. WonÆt shift à. Not enough pedal à. Feels like IÆm
> trying to push it thru the floor to get clearance! What the heck?!
> (did I say, he shouldnÆt have said that?!)
> Frustrated now! I get back under the dash, push the clutch with my
> hand and see that the lever is completely on the floor and indenting
> the carpet. Fruussttrated à IÆll pull the dang carpet out à. I only
> need a little more clearance! Take the interior strips out that hold
> the carpet in place on the driverÆs side, pull the carpet out of the
> way, push the clutch pedal à. The lever is on the bare metal floor !!!!
> aarggg --- the dang push rod in the new master cylinder is TOOOOO
> SHORT!!!! àààààààààà
> DH builds an extension for the push rod, put it back on the clutch
> lever à.. works great!!! And itÆs only 6pm à ItÆs been a couple of
> months now, shifts like brand new Jeep!!
> The truth as I think it was à. There was likely nothing wrong with the
> master cylinder to begin with à. Over time, the non-welded clutch lever
> gradually moved enough that the master cylinder push rod became ôtoo
> shortö for the longer distance caused by the bent lever!
>
>
>
>
--
Will Honea
pivot around a common shaft and are welded to a tube. Long story
short - parked a Sam's, hit the clutch to back out and hear a "POP" -
whole pedal broke off. Driving 10 miles even in light traffic with no
clutch is a challenge!
And that short push rod got me as well when I swapped out the internal
clutch for the external slave. Fix was to cut the the rod, thread the
ends and add a threaded union in the middle. When I changed the
master after a few years, I just swapped the push rods.
Sure is a funny feeling when you hit the clutch pedal and it just
flops, isn't it?
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:39:20 UTC CherokeeGirl
<CherokeeGirl.2g8wz2@news.autobanter.com> wrote:
>
> This is follow-up to my previous question "Can I re-build it?" refering
> to the clutch master cylinder in my 91 Cherokee Laredo (175K). I
> ordered a new master cylinder on line. Received it no problem. Sunday
> project, my DH and I got under the shade trees to change it out.
> Everything went along real well. As we're tightening up the nuts on the
> new master cylinder, DH said"this is the easiest thing we've done on
> this vehicle" (he shouldn't've said that)." He says ôGet in there and
> slip that push rod on the foot pedal and stick the keeper clip in it"
> (yep, going good! and it's not even noon yet!)
> OK I admit I'm a better go-pher than a do-er, but shouldn't be that
> darn hard to slip this thing on there! WILL NOT GO!! (like I said, he
> shouldn't've said that!)
> What the heck?! Won't line up. Get to looking at the foot lever,
> looks bent! How in the world? Thick as that metal is? Well, well,
> well, looks like the union auto worker must've taken a coffee break
> between welding the back side and welding the front side of the lever's
> pivoting mounting bracket at the firewall! So, a weak weld and a strong
> leg trying to get clutch clearance to shift gears --- bent clutch lever.
> OK, take the whole mounting bracket out, realign the clutch lever, weld
> it. Re-install the bracket, master cylinder push rod slips right on the
> pin!!! Yeah, home free !!!!! Fill master cylinder , etc, etc, etc.
> Time to test it à. WonÆt shift à. Not enough pedal à. Feels like IÆm
> trying to push it thru the floor to get clearance! What the heck?!
> (did I say, he shouldnÆt have said that?!)
> Frustrated now! I get back under the dash, push the clutch with my
> hand and see that the lever is completely on the floor and indenting
> the carpet. Fruussttrated à IÆll pull the dang carpet out à. I only
> need a little more clearance! Take the interior strips out that hold
> the carpet in place on the driverÆs side, pull the carpet out of the
> way, push the clutch pedal à. The lever is on the bare metal floor !!!!
> aarggg --- the dang push rod in the new master cylinder is TOOOOO
> SHORT!!!! àààààààààà
> DH builds an extension for the push rod, put it back on the clutch
> lever à.. works great!!! And itÆs only 6pm à ItÆs been a couple of
> months now, shifts like brand new Jeep!!
> The truth as I think it was à. There was likely nothing wrong with the
> master cylinder to begin with à. Over time, the non-welded clutch lever
> gradually moved enough that the master cylinder push rod became ôtoo
> shortö for the longer distance caused by the bent lever!
>
>
>
>
--
Will Honea
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Truth is Stranger than Fiction
I had that problem on an 88 MJ. Problem was, the brake and clutch
pivot around a common shaft and are welded to a tube. Long story
short - parked a Sam's, hit the clutch to back out and hear a "POP" -
whole pedal broke off. Driving 10 miles even in light traffic with no
clutch is a challenge!
And that short push rod got me as well when I swapped out the internal
clutch for the external slave. Fix was to cut the the rod, thread the
ends and add a threaded union in the middle. When I changed the
master after a few years, I just swapped the push rods.
Sure is a funny feeling when you hit the clutch pedal and it just
flops, isn't it?
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:39:20 UTC CherokeeGirl
<CherokeeGirl.2g8wz2@news.autobanter.com> wrote:
>
> This is follow-up to my previous question "Can I re-build it?" refering
> to the clutch master cylinder in my 91 Cherokee Laredo (175K). I
> ordered a new master cylinder on line. Received it no problem. Sunday
> project, my DH and I got under the shade trees to change it out.
> Everything went along real well. As we're tightening up the nuts on the
> new master cylinder, DH said"this is the easiest thing we've done on
> this vehicle" (he shouldn't've said that)." He says ôGet in there and
> slip that push rod on the foot pedal and stick the keeper clip in it"
> (yep, going good! and it's not even noon yet!)
> OK I admit I'm a better go-pher than a do-er, but shouldn't be that
> darn hard to slip this thing on there! WILL NOT GO!! (like I said, he
> shouldn't've said that!)
> What the heck?! Won't line up. Get to looking at the foot lever,
> looks bent! How in the world? Thick as that metal is? Well, well,
> well, looks like the union auto worker must've taken a coffee break
> between welding the back side and welding the front side of the lever's
> pivoting mounting bracket at the firewall! So, a weak weld and a strong
> leg trying to get clutch clearance to shift gears --- bent clutch lever.
> OK, take the whole mounting bracket out, realign the clutch lever, weld
> it. Re-install the bracket, master cylinder push rod slips right on the
> pin!!! Yeah, home free !!!!! Fill master cylinder , etc, etc, etc.
> Time to test it à. WonÆt shift à. Not enough pedal à. Feels like IÆm
> trying to push it thru the floor to get clearance! What the heck?!
> (did I say, he shouldnÆt have said that?!)
> Frustrated now! I get back under the dash, push the clutch with my
> hand and see that the lever is completely on the floor and indenting
> the carpet. Fruussttrated à IÆll pull the dang carpet out à. I only
> need a little more clearance! Take the interior strips out that hold
> the carpet in place on the driverÆs side, pull the carpet out of the
> way, push the clutch pedal à. The lever is on the bare metal floor !!!!
> aarggg --- the dang push rod in the new master cylinder is TOOOOO
> SHORT!!!! àààààààààà
> DH builds an extension for the push rod, put it back on the clutch
> lever à.. works great!!! And itÆs only 6pm à ItÆs been a couple of
> months now, shifts like brand new Jeep!!
> The truth as I think it was à. There was likely nothing wrong with the
> master cylinder to begin with à. Over time, the non-welded clutch lever
> gradually moved enough that the master cylinder push rod became ôtoo
> shortö for the longer distance caused by the bent lever!
>
>
>
>
--
Will Honea
pivot around a common shaft and are welded to a tube. Long story
short - parked a Sam's, hit the clutch to back out and hear a "POP" -
whole pedal broke off. Driving 10 miles even in light traffic with no
clutch is a challenge!
And that short push rod got me as well when I swapped out the internal
clutch for the external slave. Fix was to cut the the rod, thread the
ends and add a threaded union in the middle. When I changed the
master after a few years, I just swapped the push rods.
Sure is a funny feeling when you hit the clutch pedal and it just
flops, isn't it?
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:39:20 UTC CherokeeGirl
<CherokeeGirl.2g8wz2@news.autobanter.com> wrote:
>
> This is follow-up to my previous question "Can I re-build it?" refering
> to the clutch master cylinder in my 91 Cherokee Laredo (175K). I
> ordered a new master cylinder on line. Received it no problem. Sunday
> project, my DH and I got under the shade trees to change it out.
> Everything went along real well. As we're tightening up the nuts on the
> new master cylinder, DH said"this is the easiest thing we've done on
> this vehicle" (he shouldn't've said that)." He says ôGet in there and
> slip that push rod on the foot pedal and stick the keeper clip in it"
> (yep, going good! and it's not even noon yet!)
> OK I admit I'm a better go-pher than a do-er, but shouldn't be that
> darn hard to slip this thing on there! WILL NOT GO!! (like I said, he
> shouldn't've said that!)
> What the heck?! Won't line up. Get to looking at the foot lever,
> looks bent! How in the world? Thick as that metal is? Well, well,
> well, looks like the union auto worker must've taken a coffee break
> between welding the back side and welding the front side of the lever's
> pivoting mounting bracket at the firewall! So, a weak weld and a strong
> leg trying to get clutch clearance to shift gears --- bent clutch lever.
> OK, take the whole mounting bracket out, realign the clutch lever, weld
> it. Re-install the bracket, master cylinder push rod slips right on the
> pin!!! Yeah, home free !!!!! Fill master cylinder , etc, etc, etc.
> Time to test it à. WonÆt shift à. Not enough pedal à. Feels like IÆm
> trying to push it thru the floor to get clearance! What the heck?!
> (did I say, he shouldnÆt have said that?!)
> Frustrated now! I get back under the dash, push the clutch with my
> hand and see that the lever is completely on the floor and indenting
> the carpet. Fruussttrated à IÆll pull the dang carpet out à. I only
> need a little more clearance! Take the interior strips out that hold
> the carpet in place on the driverÆs side, pull the carpet out of the
> way, push the clutch pedal à. The lever is on the bare metal floor !!!!
> aarggg --- the dang push rod in the new master cylinder is TOOOOO
> SHORT!!!! àààààààààà
> DH builds an extension for the push rod, put it back on the clutch
> lever à.. works great!!! And itÆs only 6pm à ItÆs been a couple of
> months now, shifts like brand new Jeep!!
> The truth as I think it was à. There was likely nothing wrong with the
> master cylinder to begin with à. Over time, the non-welded clutch lever
> gradually moved enough that the master cylinder push rod became ôtoo
> shortö for the longer distance caused by the bent lever!
>
>
>
>
--
Will Honea
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Truth is Stranger than Fiction
Outatime wrote:
> I'm glad the problem is finally fixed. And I'm astounded that females
> actually help fix cars. I'd sure like to meet one of these someday.
How bout one on TV? Check out Xtreme 4X4 on Spike, She Fabs, wrenches,
wheels, machines and welds and obviously knows her stuff.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> I'm glad the problem is finally fixed. And I'm astounded that females
> actually help fix cars. I'd sure like to meet one of these someday.
How bout one on TV? Check out Xtreme 4X4 on Spike, She Fabs, wrenches,
wheels, machines and welds and obviously knows her stuff.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
#30
Guest
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Re: Truth is Stranger than Fiction
Outatime wrote:
> I'm glad the problem is finally fixed. And I'm astounded that females
> actually help fix cars. I'd sure like to meet one of these someday.
How bout one on TV? Check out Xtreme 4X4 on Spike, She Fabs, wrenches,
wheels, machines and welds and obviously knows her stuff.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> I'm glad the problem is finally fixed. And I'm astounded that females
> actually help fix cars. I'd sure like to meet one of these someday.
How bout one on TV? Check out Xtreme 4X4 on Spike, She Fabs, wrenches,
wheels, machines and welds and obviously knows her stuff.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein