Jerry Bransford

"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vl5932j3r4dcb@corp.supernews.com...
> Yes, but it doesn't hurt to add it either, it will in most cases smooth
out
> the engagement of the clutch packs.

Yes, absolutely it can hurt the Tracloc to add additional friction modifier
if its already present in sufficient quantity. Too much friction modifier
is as bad as not enough. IF there is a little chatter with the amount
contained in the gear lube, then a little friction modifier can be added a
little at a time until it stop... but it can definitely screw the Tracloc if
you just add friction modifier if there's enough already present in the gear
lube.

Jerry
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> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:ddx4b.36665$Qy4.16814@fed1read05...
> > For the transfer case, literally any good grade of ATF can be used so
> > whatever you're putting into your automatic transmission can also be
used
> in
> > the transfer case.
> >
> > It would be hard to find a GL-5 Gear Lube of the viscosities you're
> looking
> > at that did not already have the additive required for Tracloc. I've
yet
> to
> > see any gear lube on a store shelf that did not have the friction
modifier
> > already. The reason is that the friction modifier addtive is compatible
> for
> > axles with or without Traclocl.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> > "James Nipper" <jnipper@nospam.fdn.com> wrote in message
> > news:QY-cnZlGEa0vD8-iXTWJjQ@comcast.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > John, what an informative reply. Thanks !!
> > >
> > >
> > > --James--
> > >
> > > --------------------------------
> > >
> > > 1) ATF +3 and Dexron III are the same thing, and backward compatible
> with
> > +2
> > > and Dex II. The difference in verbiage proabably has to do with the
> > > transmission being manufactured by one outfit and the tcase by
another.
> > Each
> > > writing and supplying their own maintenance instructions.
> > >
> > > 2) If the axle is trac lok it will have 2 tags on the cover, and /or
the
> > tag
> > > that shows the ratio will show it with an L where the decimal would
go.
> > I.E.
> > > 3L55 is a 3.55 axle with trac lok. If in the slightest doubt add the
> > > modifier compound, it hurts nothing if in fact the axle is the regular
> > kind.
> > > If you are going to drain the old fuid anyway, the cover will be
coming
> > off,
> > > and you will see that a trac-lok diff has a drum arrangement with just
> > > visible clutch packs. A regular set will have clearly visible side and
> > > spider gears, with no evidence of a clutch pack.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

phil.rynn

Sorry this is so long...start of rant....

Earle is right.
ATF+2 and +3 both contain the additive MS7176 which is what you need in
the transmission. Most Chrysler automatic transaxles require this fluid.
Whenever I change the transmission oil, I check that the additive is
specifically mentioned (ie. in a case where the fluid label says ok for
chrysler vehicles, if the label doesn't specifically state additive MS7176 I
won't buy it). This is also a problem when having your fluid changed by a
non-Chrysler savvy mechanic. Dexron III will eat away at the clutch packs
linings and ultimately destroy them. All that being said, the ATF+3 should
go find in the Transfer case. When I changed my fluids last, I used Dexron
III in the transfer case (i have a 94 JGC)
This is one of the toughest things about Chrysler cars in general. I
bought my 94 about 4 months ago, and was very leary about buying a used
Chrysler automatic transmission. You have no way of knowing what fluid was
used in past fluid changes. I immediately changed the fluid after I bought
it, but it would not make too much difference if 'regular' ATF was used
previously.
I had a Mits. Galant (Chrysler transmission) before this. I had to
change the tranny at 55K. I suspect that the person who changed the fluid
at 30K used the wrong type. I will never make that mistake again!
Sorry this is so long, but I this is a subject that really bugs me
especially since there is a lot of misinformation out there at auto parts
stores, some mechanics, and even some publications. PS: Not sure for your
year, but you may want to make sure that you know the correct way to check
the transmission level. Many times chrysler transmissions need to be
checked with the gear shift in Neutral vice Park (like almost every other
automatic transmission). I honestly can't remember on my JGC, but if I
checked the transmission in P on the Galant, it would be about a quart and a
half low. So, that should be a rough guage when refilling. If it looks
full but you haven't added as much as you took out then check it in N and
see where the level is (in absence of the correct procedure). NOTE:
Chilton's published procedure was wrong for the Galant. The only place I
saw it correctly was in the transmission rebuild manual. (I never got the
service manual for the Galant)

Bottom line, treat any Chrysler automatic with care and be meticulous with
the service, and it should be fine.

Sorry for the long rant,

Phil Rynn


"James Nipper" <jnipper@nospam.fdn.com> wrote in message
news:QY-cnZlGEa0vD8-iXTWJjQ@comcast.com...
>
>
> John, what an informative reply. Thanks !!
>
>
> --James--
>
> --------------------------------
>
> 1) ATF +3 and Dexron III are the same thing, and backward compatible with
+2
> and Dex II. The difference in verbiage proabably has to do with the
> transmission being manufactured by one outfit and the tcase by another.
Each
> writing and supplying their own maintenance instructions.
>
> 2) If the axle is trac lok it will have 2 tags on the cover, and /or the
tag
> that shows the ratio will show it with an L where the decimal would go.
I.E.
> 3L55 is a 3.55 axle with trac lok. If in the slightest doubt add the
> modifier compound, it hurts nothing if in fact the axle is the regular
kind.
> If you are going to drain the old fuid anyway, the cover will be coming
off,
> and you will see that a trac-lok diff has a drum arrangement with just
> visible clutch packs. A regular set will have clearly visible side and
> spider gears, with no evidence of a clutch pack.
>
>
>

phil.rynn

Sorry this is so long...start of rant....

Earle is right.
ATF+2 and +3 both contain the additive MS7176 which is what you need in
the transmission. Most Chrysler automatic transaxles require this fluid.
Whenever I change the transmission oil, I check that the additive is
specifically mentioned (ie. in a case where the fluid label says ok for
chrysler vehicles, if the label doesn't specifically state additive MS7176 I
won't buy it). This is also a problem when having your fluid changed by a
non-Chrysler savvy mechanic. Dexron III will eat away at the clutch packs
linings and ultimately destroy them. All that being said, the ATF+3 should
go find in the Transfer case. When I changed my fluids last, I used Dexron
III in the transfer case (i have a 94 JGC)
This is one of the toughest things about Chrysler cars in general. I
bought my 94 about 4 months ago, and was very leary about buying a used
Chrysler automatic transmission. You have no way of knowing what fluid was
used in past fluid changes. I immediately changed the fluid after I bought
it, but it would not make too much difference if 'regular' ATF was used
previously.
I had a Mits. Galant (Chrysler transmission) before this. I had to
change the tranny at 55K. I suspect that the person who changed the fluid
at 30K used the wrong type. I will never make that mistake again!
Sorry this is so long, but I this is a subject that really bugs me
especially since there is a lot of misinformation out there at auto parts
stores, some mechanics, and even some publications. PS: Not sure for your
year, but you may want to make sure that you know the correct way to check
the transmission level. Many times chrysler transmissions need to be
checked with the gear shift in Neutral vice Park (like almost every other
automatic transmission). I honestly can't remember on my JGC, but if I
checked the transmission in P on the Galant, it would be about a quart and a
half low. So, that should be a rough guage when refilling. If it looks
full but you haven't added as much as you took out then check it in N and
see where the level is (in absence of the correct procedure). NOTE:
Chilton's published procedure was wrong for the Galant. The only place I
saw it correctly was in the transmission rebuild manual. (I never got the
service manual for the Galant)

Bottom line, treat any Chrysler automatic with care and be meticulous with
the service, and it should be fine.

Sorry for the long rant,

Phil Rynn


"James Nipper" <jnipper@nospam.fdn.com> wrote in message
news:QY-cnZlGEa0vD8-iXTWJjQ@comcast.com...
>
>
> John, what an informative reply. Thanks !!
>
>
> --James--
>
> --------------------------------
>
> 1) ATF +3 and Dexron III are the same thing, and backward compatible with
+2
> and Dex II. The difference in verbiage proabably has to do with the
> transmission being manufactured by one outfit and the tcase by another.
Each
> writing and supplying their own maintenance instructions.
>
> 2) If the axle is trac lok it will have 2 tags on the cover, and /or the
tag
> that shows the ratio will show it with an L where the decimal would go.
I.E.
> 3L55 is a 3.55 axle with trac lok. If in the slightest doubt add the
> modifier compound, it hurts nothing if in fact the axle is the regular
kind.
> If you are going to drain the old fuid anyway, the cover will be coming
off,
> and you will see that a trac-lok diff has a drum arrangement with just
> visible clutch packs. A regular set will have clearly visible side and
> spider gears, with no evidence of a clutch pack.
>
>
>