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Mike Romain 06-06-2007 06:11 PM

Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
 
97tjMike wrote:
>
> Well that doesn't apply to me for sure. I have 30" tires and a 2 inch
> lift. Plus the tranny has spent 90% of its life with 205s and no lift.
> But anyways an update: I had a guy clean it out initially and he
> changed my shift points so that it shifted at higher RPMs. He said to
> keep it this way for a week or so to build up pressure to flush out
> any dirt that's still in there. He adjusted something under the hood
> right by the TV cable so thats what I assumed he changed. I currently
> cant get into contact with him which is why I was the one that
> adjusted it back. I adjusted the TV cable according to the Hanes
> manual, and the nature of the shuttering seemed to change. Originally,
> it only shuttered when you drove it hard, now it shutters when you
> drive it lightly. Now it *hardly* shutters on take-off (big
> improvement), but it still shutters in 1-2, and never in 3-4. If I
> floor it it drives perfectly. Someone suggested that I re-adjust the
> bands because I just adjusted the TV cable and they go hand in hand.
> The fact that adjusting the TV cable changed the properties of the
> shutter makes me think that this is something simple, but maybe I'm
> just being hopeful. Suggestions? (Also as far as new transmissions go,
> *if* I do need a transmission (I say if on a conditional basis based
> on your comments and the comments of the shop(s) I take it to), is it
> ok to buy a rebuilt?)
>
> Mike
>


I think you need another flush and adjustment. There are a lot of
passages in there. The screen might even need another clean or
replacement, likely more than not.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 06-06-2007 06:11 PM

Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
 
97tjMike wrote:
>
> Well that doesn't apply to me for sure. I have 30" tires and a 2 inch
> lift. Plus the tranny has spent 90% of its life with 205s and no lift.
> But anyways an update: I had a guy clean it out initially and he
> changed my shift points so that it shifted at higher RPMs. He said to
> keep it this way for a week or so to build up pressure to flush out
> any dirt that's still in there. He adjusted something under the hood
> right by the TV cable so thats what I assumed he changed. I currently
> cant get into contact with him which is why I was the one that
> adjusted it back. I adjusted the TV cable according to the Hanes
> manual, and the nature of the shuttering seemed to change. Originally,
> it only shuttered when you drove it hard, now it shutters when you
> drive it lightly. Now it *hardly* shutters on take-off (big
> improvement), but it still shutters in 1-2, and never in 3-4. If I
> floor it it drives perfectly. Someone suggested that I re-adjust the
> bands because I just adjusted the TV cable and they go hand in hand.
> The fact that adjusting the TV cable changed the properties of the
> shutter makes me think that this is something simple, but maybe I'm
> just being hopeful. Suggestions? (Also as far as new transmissions go,
> *if* I do need a transmission (I say if on a conditional basis based
> on your comments and the comments of the shop(s) I take it to), is it
> ok to buy a rebuilt?)
>
> Mike
>


I think you need another flush and adjustment. There are a lot of
passages in there. The screen might even need another clean or
replacement, likely more than not.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 06-06-2007 06:11 PM

Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
 
97tjMike wrote:
>
> Well that doesn't apply to me for sure. I have 30" tires and a 2 inch
> lift. Plus the tranny has spent 90% of its life with 205s and no lift.
> But anyways an update: I had a guy clean it out initially and he
> changed my shift points so that it shifted at higher RPMs. He said to
> keep it this way for a week or so to build up pressure to flush out
> any dirt that's still in there. He adjusted something under the hood
> right by the TV cable so thats what I assumed he changed. I currently
> cant get into contact with him which is why I was the one that
> adjusted it back. I adjusted the TV cable according to the Hanes
> manual, and the nature of the shuttering seemed to change. Originally,
> it only shuttered when you drove it hard, now it shutters when you
> drive it lightly. Now it *hardly* shutters on take-off (big
> improvement), but it still shutters in 1-2, and never in 3-4. If I
> floor it it drives perfectly. Someone suggested that I re-adjust the
> bands because I just adjusted the TV cable and they go hand in hand.
> The fact that adjusting the TV cable changed the properties of the
> shutter makes me think that this is something simple, but maybe I'm
> just being hopeful. Suggestions? (Also as far as new transmissions go,
> *if* I do need a transmission (I say if on a conditional basis based
> on your comments and the comments of the shop(s) I take it to), is it
> ok to buy a rebuilt?)
>
> Mike
>


I think you need another flush and adjustment. There are a lot of
passages in there. The screen might even need another clean or
replacement, likely more than not.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

SnoMan 06-06-2007 06:44 PM

Re: Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
 
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:11:55 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>> Well that doesn't apply to me for sure. I have 30" tires and a 2 inch
>> lift. Plus the tranny has spent 90% of its life with 205s and no lift.
>> But anyways an update: I had a guy clean it out initially and he
>> changed my shift points so that it shifted at higher RPMs. He said to
>> keep it this way for a week or so to build up pressure to flush out
>> any dirt that's still in there. He adjusted something under the hood
>> right by the TV cable so thats what I assumed he changed. I currently
>> cant get into contact with him which is why I was the one that
>> adjusted it back. I adjusted the TV cable according to the Hanes
>> manual, and the nature of the shuttering seemed to change. Originally,
>> it only shuttered when you drove it hard, now it shutters when you
>> drive it lightly. Now it *hardly* shutters on take-off (big
>> improvement), but it still shutters in 1-2, and never in 3-4. If I
>> floor it it drives perfectly. Someone suggested that I re-adjust the
>> bands because I just adjusted the TV cable and they go hand in hand.
>> The fact that adjusting the TV cable changed the properties of the
>> shutter makes me think that this is something simple, but maybe I'm
>> just being hopeful. Suggestions? (Also as far as new transmissions go,
>> *if* I do need a transmission (I say if on a conditional basis based
>> on your comments and the comments of the shop(s) I take it to), is it
>> ok to buy a rebuilt?)
>>
>> Mike
>>

>
>I think you need another flush and adjustment. There are a lot of
>passages in there. The screen might even need another clean or
>replacement, likely more than not.



You are both missing the point here I think. The TV cable controls
shift points and increases line pressure too so if you advance the
cable setting to a higher shift point at same throttle input, you will
have a higher average line pressure and therefore less shudder because
clutches have more pressure on them. I do not want to be grime reeper
here but I suspect that you have clutch problems from either a worn
clutch or a bad seal in a clutch pack leaking pressure. Next step
would be to have a tranny shop do a line pressure check on it at test
ports and if pressure is good then you have internal problems with
clutches and or leakage their control circuits.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 06-06-2007 06:44 PM

Re: Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
 
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:11:55 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>> Well that doesn't apply to me for sure. I have 30" tires and a 2 inch
>> lift. Plus the tranny has spent 90% of its life with 205s and no lift.
>> But anyways an update: I had a guy clean it out initially and he
>> changed my shift points so that it shifted at higher RPMs. He said to
>> keep it this way for a week or so to build up pressure to flush out
>> any dirt that's still in there. He adjusted something under the hood
>> right by the TV cable so thats what I assumed he changed. I currently
>> cant get into contact with him which is why I was the one that
>> adjusted it back. I adjusted the TV cable according to the Hanes
>> manual, and the nature of the shuttering seemed to change. Originally,
>> it only shuttered when you drove it hard, now it shutters when you
>> drive it lightly. Now it *hardly* shutters on take-off (big
>> improvement), but it still shutters in 1-2, and never in 3-4. If I
>> floor it it drives perfectly. Someone suggested that I re-adjust the
>> bands because I just adjusted the TV cable and they go hand in hand.
>> The fact that adjusting the TV cable changed the properties of the
>> shutter makes me think that this is something simple, but maybe I'm
>> just being hopeful. Suggestions? (Also as far as new transmissions go,
>> *if* I do need a transmission (I say if on a conditional basis based
>> on your comments and the comments of the shop(s) I take it to), is it
>> ok to buy a rebuilt?)
>>
>> Mike
>>

>
>I think you need another flush and adjustment. There are a lot of
>passages in there. The screen might even need another clean or
>replacement, likely more than not.



You are both missing the point here I think. The TV cable controls
shift points and increases line pressure too so if you advance the
cable setting to a higher shift point at same throttle input, you will
have a higher average line pressure and therefore less shudder because
clutches have more pressure on them. I do not want to be grime reeper
here but I suspect that you have clutch problems from either a worn
clutch or a bad seal in a clutch pack leaking pressure. Next step
would be to have a tranny shop do a line pressure check on it at test
ports and if pressure is good then you have internal problems with
clutches and or leakage their control circuits.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 06-06-2007 06:44 PM

Re: Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
 
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:11:55 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>> Well that doesn't apply to me for sure. I have 30" tires and a 2 inch
>> lift. Plus the tranny has spent 90% of its life with 205s and no lift.
>> But anyways an update: I had a guy clean it out initially and he
>> changed my shift points so that it shifted at higher RPMs. He said to
>> keep it this way for a week or so to build up pressure to flush out
>> any dirt that's still in there. He adjusted something under the hood
>> right by the TV cable so thats what I assumed he changed. I currently
>> cant get into contact with him which is why I was the one that
>> adjusted it back. I adjusted the TV cable according to the Hanes
>> manual, and the nature of the shuttering seemed to change. Originally,
>> it only shuttered when you drove it hard, now it shutters when you
>> drive it lightly. Now it *hardly* shutters on take-off (big
>> improvement), but it still shutters in 1-2, and never in 3-4. If I
>> floor it it drives perfectly. Someone suggested that I re-adjust the
>> bands because I just adjusted the TV cable and they go hand in hand.
>> The fact that adjusting the TV cable changed the properties of the
>> shutter makes me think that this is something simple, but maybe I'm
>> just being hopeful. Suggestions? (Also as far as new transmissions go,
>> *if* I do need a transmission (I say if on a conditional basis based
>> on your comments and the comments of the shop(s) I take it to), is it
>> ok to buy a rebuilt?)
>>
>> Mike
>>

>
>I think you need another flush and adjustment. There are a lot of
>passages in there. The screen might even need another clean or
>replacement, likely more than not.



You are both missing the point here I think. The TV cable controls
shift points and increases line pressure too so if you advance the
cable setting to a higher shift point at same throttle input, you will
have a higher average line pressure and therefore less shudder because
clutches have more pressure on them. I do not want to be grime reeper
here but I suspect that you have clutch problems from either a worn
clutch or a bad seal in a clutch pack leaking pressure. Next step
would be to have a tranny shop do a line pressure check on it at test
ports and if pressure is good then you have internal problems with
clutches and or leakage their control circuits.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 06-06-2007 06:44 PM

Re: Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
 
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:11:55 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>> Well that doesn't apply to me for sure. I have 30" tires and a 2 inch
>> lift. Plus the tranny has spent 90% of its life with 205s and no lift.
>> But anyways an update: I had a guy clean it out initially and he
>> changed my shift points so that it shifted at higher RPMs. He said to
>> keep it this way for a week or so to build up pressure to flush out
>> any dirt that's still in there. He adjusted something under the hood
>> right by the TV cable so thats what I assumed he changed. I currently
>> cant get into contact with him which is why I was the one that
>> adjusted it back. I adjusted the TV cable according to the Hanes
>> manual, and the nature of the shuttering seemed to change. Originally,
>> it only shuttered when you drove it hard, now it shutters when you
>> drive it lightly. Now it *hardly* shutters on take-off (big
>> improvement), but it still shutters in 1-2, and never in 3-4. If I
>> floor it it drives perfectly. Someone suggested that I re-adjust the
>> bands because I just adjusted the TV cable and they go hand in hand.
>> The fact that adjusting the TV cable changed the properties of the
>> shutter makes me think that this is something simple, but maybe I'm
>> just being hopeful. Suggestions? (Also as far as new transmissions go,
>> *if* I do need a transmission (I say if on a conditional basis based
>> on your comments and the comments of the shop(s) I take it to), is it
>> ok to buy a rebuilt?)
>>
>> Mike
>>

>
>I think you need another flush and adjustment. There are a lot of
>passages in there. The screen might even need another clean or
>replacement, likely more than not.



You are both missing the point here I think. The TV cable controls
shift points and increases line pressure too so if you advance the
cable setting to a higher shift point at same throttle input, you will
have a higher average line pressure and therefore less shudder because
clutches have more pressure on them. I do not want to be grime reeper
here but I suspect that you have clutch problems from either a worn
clutch or a bad seal in a clutch pack leaking pressure. Next step
would be to have a tranny shop do a line pressure check on it at test
ports and if pressure is good then you have internal problems with
clutches and or leakage their control circuits.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

XS11E 06-06-2007 06:49 PM

Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
 
97tjMike <MichaelJunior@gmail.com> wrote:

> Also as far as new transmissions go, *if* I do need a transmission
> (I say if on a conditional basis based on your comments and the
> comments of the shop(s) I take it to), is it ok to buy a rebuilt?


Sure, as long as the shop is reputable and will offer a reasonable
warranty.

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XS11E 06-06-2007 06:49 PM

Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
 
97tjMike <MichaelJunior@gmail.com> wrote:

> Also as far as new transmissions go, *if* I do need a transmission
> (I say if on a conditional basis based on your comments and the
> comments of the shop(s) I take it to), is it ok to buy a rebuilt?


Sure, as long as the shop is reputable and will offer a reasonable
warranty.

--
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The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

XS11E 06-06-2007 06:49 PM

Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
 
97tjMike <MichaelJunior@gmail.com> wrote:

> Also as far as new transmissions go, *if* I do need a transmission
> (I say if on a conditional basis based on your comments and the
> comments of the shop(s) I take it to), is it ok to buy a rebuilt?


Sure, as long as the shop is reputable and will offer a reasonable
warranty.

--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html


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