Transmission problems...new torque converter?
06-05-2007, 09:08 AM
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Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
97tjMike wrote:
> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
> first.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
How is the transmission mount? A bad or loose one can cause shudders
when shifting.
Mike
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> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
> first.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
How is the transmission mount? A bad or loose one can cause shudders
when shifting.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
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06-05-2007, 09:08 AM
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Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
97tjMike wrote:
> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
> first.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
How is the transmission mount? A bad or loose one can cause shudders
when shifting.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
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> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
> first.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
How is the transmission mount? A bad or loose one can cause shudders
when shifting.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
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06-05-2007, 09:08 AM
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Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
97tjMike wrote:
> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
> first.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
How is the transmission mount? A bad or loose one can cause shudders
when shifting.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
> first.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
How is the transmission mount? A bad or loose one can cause shudders
when shifting.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
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06-05-2007, 12:32 PM
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Re: Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
It is very likely NOT the converter as they rarely fail like this and
when they do it is at converter lockup whicg is disable unhard hard
acceleration and at take off. It is likely a internal clutch in tranny
slipping and chattering.
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:27:59 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>It could be the convertor, or it could also be that the clutch linings
>have been contaminated from the water. The fact that it doesn't do it in
>every gear would lead me to believe that it is something with the
>clutches. The convertor would do it all the time. but it is also
>possible that the gear multiplication is amplifying the problem. The
>convertor is basically a fluid coupler, so IMO it is less likely to be
>affected from the water than the clutches, but it is only a judgment call.
>
>Chris
>
>
>97tjMike wrote:
>> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
>> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
>> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
>> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
>> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
>> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
>> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
>> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
>> first.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
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when they do it is at converter lockup whicg is disable unhard hard
acceleration and at take off. It is likely a internal clutch in tranny
slipping and chattering.
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:27:59 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>It could be the convertor, or it could also be that the clutch linings
>have been contaminated from the water. The fact that it doesn't do it in
>every gear would lead me to believe that it is something with the
>clutches. The convertor would do it all the time. but it is also
>possible that the gear multiplication is amplifying the problem. The
>convertor is basically a fluid coupler, so IMO it is less likely to be
>affected from the water than the clutches, but it is only a judgment call.
>
>Chris
>
>
>97tjMike wrote:
>> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
>> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
>> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
>> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
>> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
>> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
>> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
>> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
>> first.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-05-2007, 12:32 PM
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Re: Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
It is very likely NOT the converter as they rarely fail like this and
when they do it is at converter lockup whicg is disable unhard hard
acceleration and at take off. It is likely a internal clutch in tranny
slipping and chattering.
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:27:59 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>It could be the convertor, or it could also be that the clutch linings
>have been contaminated from the water. The fact that it doesn't do it in
>every gear would lead me to believe that it is something with the
>clutches. The convertor would do it all the time. but it is also
>possible that the gear multiplication is amplifying the problem. The
>convertor is basically a fluid coupler, so IMO it is less likely to be
>affected from the water than the clutches, but it is only a judgment call.
>
>Chris
>
>
>97tjMike wrote:
>> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
>> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
>> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
>> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
>> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
>> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
>> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
>> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
>> first.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
when they do it is at converter lockup whicg is disable unhard hard
acceleration and at take off. It is likely a internal clutch in tranny
slipping and chattering.
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:27:59 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>It could be the convertor, or it could also be that the clutch linings
>have been contaminated from the water. The fact that it doesn't do it in
>every gear would lead me to believe that it is something with the
>clutches. The convertor would do it all the time. but it is also
>possible that the gear multiplication is amplifying the problem. The
>convertor is basically a fluid coupler, so IMO it is less likely to be
>affected from the water than the clutches, but it is only a judgment call.
>
>Chris
>
>
>97tjMike wrote:
>> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
>> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
>> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
>> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
>> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
>> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
>> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
>> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
>> first.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-05-2007, 12:32 PM
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Re: Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
It is very likely NOT the converter as they rarely fail like this and
when they do it is at converter lockup whicg is disable unhard hard
acceleration and at take off. It is likely a internal clutch in tranny
slipping and chattering.
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:27:59 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>It could be the convertor, or it could also be that the clutch linings
>have been contaminated from the water. The fact that it doesn't do it in
>every gear would lead me to believe that it is something with the
>clutches. The convertor would do it all the time. but it is also
>possible that the gear multiplication is amplifying the problem. The
>convertor is basically a fluid coupler, so IMO it is less likely to be
>affected from the water than the clutches, but it is only a judgment call.
>
>Chris
>
>
>97tjMike wrote:
>> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
>> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
>> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
>> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
>> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
>> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
>> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
>> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
>> first.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
when they do it is at converter lockup whicg is disable unhard hard
acceleration and at take off. It is likely a internal clutch in tranny
slipping and chattering.
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:27:59 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>It could be the convertor, or it could also be that the clutch linings
>have been contaminated from the water. The fact that it doesn't do it in
>every gear would lead me to believe that it is something with the
>clutches. The convertor would do it all the time. but it is also
>possible that the gear multiplication is amplifying the problem. The
>convertor is basically a fluid coupler, so IMO it is less likely to be
>affected from the water than the clutches, but it is only a judgment call.
>
>Chris
>
>
>97tjMike wrote:
>> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
>> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
>> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
>> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
>> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
>> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
>> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
>> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
>> first.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-05-2007, 12:32 PM
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Re: Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
It is very likely NOT the converter as they rarely fail like this and
when they do it is at converter lockup whicg is disable unhard hard
acceleration and at take off. It is likely a internal clutch in tranny
slipping and chattering.
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:27:59 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>It could be the convertor, or it could also be that the clutch linings
>have been contaminated from the water. The fact that it doesn't do it in
>every gear would lead me to believe that it is something with the
>clutches. The convertor would do it all the time. but it is also
>possible that the gear multiplication is amplifying the problem. The
>convertor is basically a fluid coupler, so IMO it is less likely to be
>affected from the water than the clutches, but it is only a judgment call.
>
>Chris
>
>
>97tjMike wrote:
>> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
>> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
>> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
>> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
>> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
>> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
>> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
>> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
>> first.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
when they do it is at converter lockup whicg is disable unhard hard
acceleration and at take off. It is likely a internal clutch in tranny
slipping and chattering.
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:27:59 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>It could be the convertor, or it could also be that the clutch linings
>have been contaminated from the water. The fact that it doesn't do it in
>every gear would lead me to believe that it is something with the
>clutches. The convertor would do it all the time. but it is also
>possible that the gear multiplication is amplifying the problem. The
>convertor is basically a fluid coupler, so IMO it is less likely to be
>affected from the water than the clutches, but it is only a judgment call.
>
>Chris
>
>
>97tjMike wrote:
>> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
>> transmission a few weeks ago. It was cleaned out and flushed several
>> times, and the band (the one on the outside of the transmission) has
>> been adjusted. It drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive
>> the vehicle hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and
>> 2nd gear. Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question
>> is where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
>> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your ideas
>> first.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-05-2007, 01:14 PM
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Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
97tjMike <MichaelJunior@gmail.com> wrote:
> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
> transmission a few weeks ago.
Yup, I recall.
> It was cleaned out and flushed several times, and the band (the
> one on the outside of the transmission) has been adjusted. It
> drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive the vehicle
> hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and 2nd gear.
> Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question is
> where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
You need "or what." Read on...
> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your
> ideas first.
They'll tell you the transmission must be removed and completely
rebuilt or swapped out with a rebuilt one. They'll be right, I'm
afraid.
Sorry, I know you were hoping for some better news.
FWIW, I don't recall the details of your earlier post and I'm too lazy
to look it up but I'm wondering if the transmission was on it's last
legs anyway and the water/mud are only a part of the problem? How many
miles were on the vehicle?
I sure hope the shop can give you some better news but from a distance,
that has to be my diagnosis.
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> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
> transmission a few weeks ago.
Yup, I recall.
> It was cleaned out and flushed several times, and the band (the
> one on the outside of the transmission) has been adjusted. It
> drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive the vehicle
> hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and 2nd gear.
> Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question is
> where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
You need "or what." Read on...
> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your
> ideas first.
They'll tell you the transmission must be removed and completely
rebuilt or swapped out with a rebuilt one. They'll be right, I'm
afraid.
Sorry, I know you were hoping for some better news.
FWIW, I don't recall the details of your earlier post and I'm too lazy
to look it up but I'm wondering if the transmission was on it's last
legs anyway and the water/mud are only a part of the problem? How many
miles were on the vehicle?
I sure hope the shop can give you some better news but from a distance,
that has to be my diagnosis.
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06-05-2007, 01:14 PM
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Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
97tjMike <MichaelJunior@gmail.com> wrote:
> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
> transmission a few weeks ago.
Yup, I recall.
> It was cleaned out and flushed several times, and the band (the
> one on the outside of the transmission) has been adjusted. It
> drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive the vehicle
> hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and 2nd gear.
> Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question is
> where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
You need "or what." Read on...
> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your
> ideas first.
They'll tell you the transmission must be removed and completely
rebuilt or swapped out with a rebuilt one. They'll be right, I'm
afraid.
Sorry, I know you were hoping for some better news.
FWIW, I don't recall the details of your earlier post and I'm too lazy
to look it up but I'm wondering if the transmission was on it's last
legs anyway and the water/mud are only a part of the problem? How many
miles were on the vehicle?
I sure hope the shop can give you some better news but from a distance,
that has to be my diagnosis.
--
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> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
> transmission a few weeks ago.
Yup, I recall.
> It was cleaned out and flushed several times, and the band (the
> one on the outside of the transmission) has been adjusted. It
> drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive the vehicle
> hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and 2nd gear.
> Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question is
> where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
You need "or what." Read on...
> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your
> ideas first.
They'll tell you the transmission must be removed and completely
rebuilt or swapped out with a rebuilt one. They'll be right, I'm
afraid.
Sorry, I know you were hoping for some better news.
FWIW, I don't recall the details of your earlier post and I'm too lazy
to look it up but I'm wondering if the transmission was on it's last
legs anyway and the water/mud are only a part of the problem? How many
miles were on the vehicle?
I sure hope the shop can give you some better news but from a distance,
that has to be my diagnosis.
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06-05-2007, 01:14 PM
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Re: Transmission problems...new torque converter?
97tjMike <MichaelJunior@gmail.com> wrote:
> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
> transmission a few weeks ago.
Yup, I recall.
> It was cleaned out and flushed several times, and the band (the
> one on the outside of the transmission) has been adjusted. It
> drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive the vehicle
> hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and 2nd gear.
> Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question is
> where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
You need "or what." Read on...
> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your
> ideas first.
They'll tell you the transmission must be removed and completely
rebuilt or swapped out with a rebuilt one. They'll be right, I'm
afraid.
Sorry, I know you were hoping for some better news.
FWIW, I don't recall the details of your earlier post and I'm too lazy
to look it up but I'm wondering if the transmission was on it's last
legs anyway and the water/mud are only a part of the problem? How many
miles were on the vehicle?
I sure hope the shop can give you some better news but from a distance,
that has to be my diagnosis.
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> For those of you that remember I was the one that got mud in my
> transmission a few weeks ago.
Yup, I recall.
> It was cleaned out and flushed several times, and the band (the
> one on the outside of the transmission) has been adjusted. It
> drives perfectly unless I drive it hard. If I drive the vehicle
> hard, I get a shuttering at take-off and between 1st and 2nd gear.
> Shifting to third gear never makes it shutter. The question is
> where do I go from here? Do I need a new torque converter or what?
You need "or what." Read on...
> I'm planning on taking it to a shop but I'd like to know your
> ideas first.
They'll tell you the transmission must be removed and completely
rebuilt or swapped out with a rebuilt one. They'll be right, I'm
afraid.
Sorry, I know you were hoping for some better news.
FWIW, I don't recall the details of your earlier post and I'm too lazy
to look it up but I'm wondering if the transmission was on it's last
legs anyway and the water/mud are only a part of the problem? How many
miles were on the vehicle?
I sure hope the shop can give you some better news but from a distance,
that has to be my diagnosis.
--
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