Re: Transfer case options
If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300,
unless he's swapped it out. -- Jim -- 98 TJ SE 90 SJ GW http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard enough..." "4x4" in caps is "$X$" "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com... > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om... > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't > > understand in what I've read: > > > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive? > > > > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the tcase, > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans itself. > > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might want > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of 4:1 > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1. > > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase set > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to lock > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you get > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases. > > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, 4HI, > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD. > > > > > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only! > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving > > with these unusual configurations? > > > > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is the > Twin Stick. > > > > > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-) > > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum. The > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break, but > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The only > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an aluminum > case with gears, so you decide. > > > > |
Re: Transfer case options
If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300,
unless he's swapped it out. -- Jim -- 98 TJ SE 90 SJ GW http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard enough..." "4x4" in caps is "$X$" "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com... > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om... > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't > > understand in what I've read: > > > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive? > > > > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the tcase, > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans itself. > > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might want > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of 4:1 > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1. > > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase set > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to lock > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you get > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases. > > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, 4HI, > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD. > > > > > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only! > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving > > with these unusual configurations? > > > > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is the > Twin Stick. > > > > > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-) > > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum. The > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break, but > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The only > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an aluminum > case with gears, so you decide. > > > > |
Re: Transfer case options
I thought Josh had a CJ. My bad ...
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com... > If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300, > unless he's swapped it out. > > -- > Jim > -- > 98 TJ SE > 90 SJ GW > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 > "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard > enough..." > "4x4" in caps is "$X$" > > > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com... > > > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message > > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om... > > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been > > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine > > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as > > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't > > > understand in what I've read: > > > > > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't > > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular > > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive? > > > > > > > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the tcase, > > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans itself. > > > > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might > want > > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of > 4:1 > > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1. > > > > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to > > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase set > > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by > > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to > lock > > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you get > > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases. > > > > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, 4HI, > > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD. > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird > > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only! > > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving > > > with these unusual configurations? > > > > > > > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is the > > Twin Stick. > > > > > > > > > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is > > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-) > > > > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven > > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum. > The > > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break, > but > > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The only > > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an aluminum > > case with gears, so you decide. > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Transfer case options
I thought Josh had a CJ. My bad ...
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com... > If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300, > unless he's swapped it out. > > -- > Jim > -- > 98 TJ SE > 90 SJ GW > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 > "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard > enough..." > "4x4" in caps is "$X$" > > > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com... > > > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message > > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om... > > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been > > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine > > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as > > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't > > > understand in what I've read: > > > > > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't > > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular > > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive? > > > > > > > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the tcase, > > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans itself. > > > > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might > want > > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of > 4:1 > > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1. > > > > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to > > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase set > > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by > > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to > lock > > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you get > > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases. > > > > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, 4HI, > > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD. > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird > > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only! > > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving > > > with these unusual configurations? > > > > > > > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is the > > Twin Stick. > > > > > > > > > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is > > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-) > > > > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven > > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum. > The > > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break, > but > > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The only > > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an aluminum > > case with gears, so you decide. > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Transfer case options
I thought Josh had a CJ. My bad ...
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com... > If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300, > unless he's swapped it out. > > -- > Jim > -- > 98 TJ SE > 90 SJ GW > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 > "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard > enough..." > "4x4" in caps is "$X$" > > > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com... > > > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message > > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om... > > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been > > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine > > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as > > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't > > > understand in what I've read: > > > > > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't > > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular > > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive? > > > > > > > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the tcase, > > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans itself. > > > > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might > want > > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of > 4:1 > > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1. > > > > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to > > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase set > > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by > > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to > lock > > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you get > > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases. > > > > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, 4HI, > > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD. > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird > > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only! > > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving > > > with these unusual configurations? > > > > > > > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is the > > Twin Stick. > > > > > > > > > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is > > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-) > > > > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven > > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum. > The > > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break, > but > > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The only > > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an aluminum > > case with gears, so you decide. > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Transfer case options
Probably just wants to put a plaque on the dash like a Real Jeep's:
http://www.----------.com/DashPlate.gif God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Dave Milne wrote: > > The 231 in the TJ is just one stick - you get rwd, 4wd high and 4wd low. > > I guess 2wd low could be useful if you want to manoeuver a trailer on tarmac > precisely and if it avoids you slipping the clutch. > Fwd is best avoided as the front diff is smaller than the rear diff, but is > a bonus if you have just grenaded your rear powertrain... > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara |
Re: Transfer case options
Probably just wants to put a plaque on the dash like a Real Jeep's:
http://www.----------.com/DashPlate.gif God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Dave Milne wrote: > > The 231 in the TJ is just one stick - you get rwd, 4wd high and 4wd low. > > I guess 2wd low could be useful if you want to manoeuver a trailer on tarmac > precisely and if it avoids you slipping the clutch. > Fwd is best avoided as the front diff is smaller than the rear diff, but is > a bonus if you have just grenaded your rear powertrain... > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara |
Re: Transfer case options
Probably just wants to put a plaque on the dash like a Real Jeep's:
http://www.----------.com/DashPlate.gif God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Dave Milne wrote: > > The 231 in the TJ is just one stick - you get rwd, 4wd high and 4wd low. > > I guess 2wd low could be useful if you want to manoeuver a trailer on tarmac > precisely and if it avoids you slipping the clutch. > Fwd is best avoided as the front diff is smaller than the rear diff, but is > a bonus if you have just grenaded your rear powertrain... > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara |
Re: Transfer case options
That's OK... Try to keep up... ;-)
-- Jim -- 98 TJ SE 90 SJ GW http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard enough..." "4x4" in caps is "$X$" "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vq2lka7pdaqoc8@corp.supernews.com... > I thought Josh had a CJ. My bad ... > > > > "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message > news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com... > > If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300, > > unless he's swapped it out. > > > > -- > > Jim > > -- > > 98 TJ SE > > 90 SJ GW > > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 > > "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard > > enough..." > > "4x4" in caps is "$X$" > > > > > > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message > > > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om... > > > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been > > > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine > > > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as > > > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't > > > > understand in what I've read: > > > > > > > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't > > > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular > > > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive? > > > > > > > > > > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the > tcase, > > > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans > itself. > > > > > > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might > > want > > > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of > > 4:1 > > > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1. > > > > > > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to > > > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase > set > > > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by > > > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to > > lock > > > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you > get > > > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases. > > > > > > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, > 4HI, > > > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird > > > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only! > > > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving > > > > with these unusual configurations? > > > > > > > > > > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is > the > > > Twin Stick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is > > > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-) > > > > > > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven > > > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum. > > The > > > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break, > > but > > > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The > only > > > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an > aluminum > > > case with gears, so you decide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Transfer case options
That's OK... Try to keep up... ;-)
-- Jim -- 98 TJ SE 90 SJ GW http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard enough..." "4x4" in caps is "$X$" "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vq2lka7pdaqoc8@corp.supernews.com... > I thought Josh had a CJ. My bad ... > > > > "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message > news:QqidnccVfra60jyiRVn-sg@comcast.com... > > If I remember correctly, Joshua has a TJ. His t/c is a nv231, not a d300, > > unless he's swapped it out. > > > > -- > > Jim > > -- > > 98 TJ SE > > 90 SJ GW > > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 > > "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard > > enough..." > > "4x4" in caps is "$X$" > > > > > > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:vq2i4qj2sec835@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message > > > news:b102b6e4.0310300847.3cb5a247@posting.google.c om... > > > > The recent thread about transmissions has got me thinking. I've been > > > > reading some of the archives about aftermarket transfer cases, as mine > > > > is still stock. The "Atlas II" seems to be mentioned quite a bit as > > > > the ultimate t-case. However, there are a few things I don't > > > > understand in what I've read: > > > > > > > > 1) What is a "twin-stick" transmission and why is it special? Aren't > > > > virtually all 4wd transmissions "twin-stick", one to shift the regular > > > > gears and the other to shift in and out of four wheel drive? > > > > > > > > > > A Twin Stick tcase is one where you have two sticks to operate the > tcase, > > > giving you three sticks altogether counting the stick on the trans > itself. > > > > > > You do not need an Atlas II because you have a D300 already. You might > > want > > > to investigate a 4:1 kit for that D300, this will give you a LO range of > > 4:1 > > > instead of the current ratio of 2.6:1. > > > > > > Today, you have to get out to lock the front hubs, then climb back in to > > > select 4LO, then climb back out to unlock the hubs and leave the tcase > set > > > to 4LO, but get 2LO, RWD. The Twin Stick will let you select 2LO, RWD by > > > simply moving the tcase levers around. This saves trips to the axle to > > lock > > > and unlock as you need. Another feature of the Twin Stick is that you > get > > > 2LO, FWD, which can be handy to have in some cases. > > > > > > With a Twin Stick on your D300 tcase, you get 5 gear selections, 2HI, > 4HI, > > > 4LO, 2LO-FWD, & 2LO-RWD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Some of the nicer aftermarket cases apparently have some weird > > > > drive power options, such as 2wd low and front-wheel-drive-only! > > > > Other than just being 'different', what are the advantages to driving > > > > with these unusual configurations? > > > > > > > > > > You can get all of this from your D300 for about $150. All you need is > the > > > Twin Stick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. I also noticed in the archives that the CJ's Dana 300 is > > > > generally regarded as far superior to the TJ's NP351. ;-) > > > > > > Whether it is superior or not is a matter of opinion, it is gear driven > > > instead of chain driven, and the case is cast iron instead of aluminum. > > The > > > cast iron is stronger, but the aluminum is lighter. The gears can break, > > but > > > the chain can stretch. It is a matter of opinion which is better. The > only > > > thing that is true is that they are different. The Atlas II is an > aluminum > > > case with gears, so you decide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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