TrakLok vs. Rubicon Limited Slip
01-27-2004, 05:31 PM
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TrakLok vs. Rubicon Limited Slip
I would be interested in understanding how much better the Rubicon's limited
slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone help?
Thanks,
Ryan
slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone help?
Thanks,
Ryan
01-27-2004, 06:05 PM
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Re: TrakLok vs. Rubicon Limited Slip
"Ryan" <rstone1NOSPAM@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I would be interested in understanding how much better the Rubicon's
limited
> slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
> to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone
help?
hi ryan,
the rubicon limited slip is by far the best limited slip unit ive ever seen
for full size vehicles (as in, compared to ATV's). it wouldnt replace a
real locker for rock crawling because it does require _some_ slippage to
engage, but for mud/sand it locks just like its supposed to every time. i
had traklok in my '00 sahara and its "ok". certainly its better than an
open differential, but its not as dependable as the rubicons limited slip.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:BC3C50FD.4BA0%rstone1NOSPAM@triad.rr.com...
> I would be interested in understanding how much better the Rubicon's
limited
> slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
> to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone
help?
hi ryan,
the rubicon limited slip is by far the best limited slip unit ive ever seen
for full size vehicles (as in, compared to ATV's). it wouldnt replace a
real locker for rock crawling because it does require _some_ slippage to
engage, but for mud/sand it locks just like its supposed to every time. i
had traklok in my '00 sahara and its "ok". certainly its better than an
open differential, but its not as dependable as the rubicons limited slip.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
01-27-2004, 06:05 PM
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Re: TrakLok vs. Rubicon Limited Slip
"Ryan" <rstone1NOSPAM@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I would be interested in understanding how much better the Rubicon's
limited
> slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
> to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone
help?
hi ryan,
the rubicon limited slip is by far the best limited slip unit ive ever seen
for full size vehicles (as in, compared to ATV's). it wouldnt replace a
real locker for rock crawling because it does require _some_ slippage to
engage, but for mud/sand it locks just like its supposed to every time. i
had traklok in my '00 sahara and its "ok". certainly its better than an
open differential, but its not as dependable as the rubicons limited slip.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:BC3C50FD.4BA0%rstone1NOSPAM@triad.rr.com...
> I would be interested in understanding how much better the Rubicon's
limited
> slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
> to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone
help?
hi ryan,
the rubicon limited slip is by far the best limited slip unit ive ever seen
for full size vehicles (as in, compared to ATV's). it wouldnt replace a
real locker for rock crawling because it does require _some_ slippage to
engage, but for mud/sand it locks just like its supposed to every time. i
had traklok in my '00 sahara and its "ok". certainly its better than an
open differential, but its not as dependable as the rubicons limited slip.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
01-27-2004, 06:05 PM
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Re: TrakLok vs. Rubicon Limited Slip
"Ryan" <rstone1NOSPAM@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I would be interested in understanding how much better the Rubicon's
limited
> slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
> to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone
help?
hi ryan,
the rubicon limited slip is by far the best limited slip unit ive ever seen
for full size vehicles (as in, compared to ATV's). it wouldnt replace a
real locker for rock crawling because it does require _some_ slippage to
engage, but for mud/sand it locks just like its supposed to every time. i
had traklok in my '00 sahara and its "ok". certainly its better than an
open differential, but its not as dependable as the rubicons limited slip.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:BC3C50FD.4BA0%rstone1NOSPAM@triad.rr.com...
> I would be interested in understanding how much better the Rubicon's
limited
> slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
> to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone
help?
hi ryan,
the rubicon limited slip is by far the best limited slip unit ive ever seen
for full size vehicles (as in, compared to ATV's). it wouldnt replace a
real locker for rock crawling because it does require _some_ slippage to
engage, but for mud/sand it locks just like its supposed to every time. i
had traklok in my '00 sahara and its "ok". certainly its better than an
open differential, but its not as dependable as the rubicons limited slip.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
01-27-2004, 08:20 PM
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Re: TrakLok vs. Rubicon Limited Slip
The Rubicon Tru-Lok built by Tochigi Fuji Sangyo. It is a helical (worm)
gear torque sensing limited slip:
http://jeep.avtograd.ru/wrangler/Rub...es/Tru-Lok.jpg
The Trac-Lok is a friction sensing limited slip that uses springs and
clutch packs:
http://www.4x4wire.com/reviews/no-sl...lutchpacks.jpg
The clutch packs wear out at 50-75K miles - bad. The clutch system has a
fixed amount of torque transfer. It will bind if both tires have no
friction such as on ice - bad.
The helical gear system is much more durable. Instead of relying on
friction to break the bind, it 'senses' torque difference between the
wheels for differentiation. This does mean that an airborne wheel will
get all the drive but carefully applying brakes can split the torque
enough to get the other wheel pulling again.
The real bonus with the Rubicon's Tochigi Fuji Sangyo Tru-Lok is that in
addition to being a great limited slip, it is also a true manual locker.
Flick a switch in the cab to apply 5 psi of air, and it locks up 100%.
It's like a Detroit Truetrac and ARB air locker combined in one unit.
Steve
90 XJ
Ryan wrote:
> I would be interested in understanding how much better the Rubicon's limited
> slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
> to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone help?
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
gear torque sensing limited slip:
http://jeep.avtograd.ru/wrangler/Rub...es/Tru-Lok.jpg
The Trac-Lok is a friction sensing limited slip that uses springs and
clutch packs:
http://www.4x4wire.com/reviews/no-sl...lutchpacks.jpg
The clutch packs wear out at 50-75K miles - bad. The clutch system has a
fixed amount of torque transfer. It will bind if both tires have no
friction such as on ice - bad.
The helical gear system is much more durable. Instead of relying on
friction to break the bind, it 'senses' torque difference between the
wheels for differentiation. This does mean that an airborne wheel will
get all the drive but carefully applying brakes can split the torque
enough to get the other wheel pulling again.
The real bonus with the Rubicon's Tochigi Fuji Sangyo Tru-Lok is that in
addition to being a great limited slip, it is also a true manual locker.
Flick a switch in the cab to apply 5 psi of air, and it locks up 100%.
It's like a Detroit Truetrac and ARB air locker combined in one unit.
Steve
90 XJ
Ryan wrote:
> I would be interested in understanding how much better the Rubicon's limited
> slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
> to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone help?
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
01-27-2004, 08:20 PM
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Re: TrakLok vs. Rubicon Limited Slip
The Rubicon Tru-Lok built by Tochigi Fuji Sangyo. It is a helical (worm)
gear torque sensing limited slip:
http://jeep.avtograd.ru/wrangler/Rub...es/Tru-Lok.jpg
The Trac-Lok is a friction sensing limited slip that uses springs and
clutch packs:
http://www.4x4wire.com/reviews/no-sl...lutchpacks.jpg
The clutch packs wear out at 50-75K miles - bad. The clutch system has a
fixed amount of torque transfer. It will bind if both tires have no
friction such as on ice - bad.
The helical gear system is much more durable. Instead of relying on
friction to break the bind, it 'senses' torque difference between the
wheels for differentiation. This does mean that an airborne wheel will
get all the drive but carefully applying brakes can split the torque
enough to get the other wheel pulling again.
The real bonus with the Rubicon's Tochigi Fuji Sangyo Tru-Lok is that in
addition to being a great limited slip, it is also a true manual locker.
Flick a switch in the cab to apply 5 psi of air, and it locks up 100%.
It's like a Detroit Truetrac and ARB air locker combined in one unit.
Steve
90 XJ
Ryan wrote:
> I would be interested in understanding how much better the Rubicon's limited
> slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
> to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone help?
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
gear torque sensing limited slip:
http://jeep.avtograd.ru/wrangler/Rub...es/Tru-Lok.jpg
The Trac-Lok is a friction sensing limited slip that uses springs and
clutch packs:
http://www.4x4wire.com/reviews/no-sl...lutchpacks.jpg
The clutch packs wear out at 50-75K miles - bad. The clutch system has a
fixed amount of torque transfer. It will bind if both tires have no
friction such as on ice - bad.
The helical gear system is much more durable. Instead of relying on
friction to break the bind, it 'senses' torque difference between the
wheels for differentiation. This does mean that an airborne wheel will
get all the drive but carefully applying brakes can split the torque
enough to get the other wheel pulling again.
The real bonus with the Rubicon's Tochigi Fuji Sangyo Tru-Lok is that in
addition to being a great limited slip, it is also a true manual locker.
Flick a switch in the cab to apply 5 psi of air, and it locks up 100%.
It's like a Detroit Truetrac and ARB air locker combined in one unit.
Steve
90 XJ
Ryan wrote:
> I would be interested in understanding how much better the Rubicon's limited
> slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
> to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone help?
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
01-27-2004, 08:20 PM
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Re: TrakLok vs. Rubicon Limited Slip
The Rubicon Tru-Lok built by Tochigi Fuji Sangyo. It is a helical (worm)
gear torque sensing limited slip:
http://jeep.avtograd.ru/wrangler/Rub...es/Tru-Lok.jpg
The Trac-Lok is a friction sensing limited slip that uses springs and
clutch packs:
http://www.4x4wire.com/reviews/no-sl...lutchpacks.jpg
The clutch packs wear out at 50-75K miles - bad. The clutch system has a
fixed amount of torque transfer. It will bind if both tires have no
friction such as on ice - bad.
The helical gear system is much more durable. Instead of relying on
friction to break the bind, it 'senses' torque difference between the
wheels for differentiation. This does mean that an airborne wheel will
get all the drive but carefully applying brakes can split the torque
enough to get the other wheel pulling again.
The real bonus with the Rubicon's Tochigi Fuji Sangyo Tru-Lok is that in
addition to being a great limited slip, it is also a true manual locker.
Flick a switch in the cab to apply 5 psi of air, and it locks up 100%.
It's like a Detroit Truetrac and ARB air locker combined in one unit.
Steve
90 XJ
Ryan wrote:
> I would be interested in understanding how much better the Rubicon's limited
> slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
> to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone help?
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
gear torque sensing limited slip:
http://jeep.avtograd.ru/wrangler/Rub...es/Tru-Lok.jpg
The Trac-Lok is a friction sensing limited slip that uses springs and
clutch packs:
http://www.4x4wire.com/reviews/no-sl...lutchpacks.jpg
The clutch packs wear out at 50-75K miles - bad. The clutch system has a
fixed amount of torque transfer. It will bind if both tires have no
friction such as on ice - bad.
The helical gear system is much more durable. Instead of relying on
friction to break the bind, it 'senses' torque difference between the
wheels for differentiation. This does mean that an airborne wheel will
get all the drive but carefully applying brakes can split the torque
enough to get the other wheel pulling again.
The real bonus with the Rubicon's Tochigi Fuji Sangyo Tru-Lok is that in
addition to being a great limited slip, it is also a true manual locker.
Flick a switch in the cab to apply 5 psi of air, and it locks up 100%.
It's like a Detroit Truetrac and ARB air locker combined in one unit.
Steve
90 XJ
Ryan wrote:
> I would be interested in understanding how much better the Rubicon's limited
> slip is over the standard TrakLok for say a TJ Sport. I haven't been able
> to find any kind of information though comparing the two. Can someone help?
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
01-27-2004, 09:44 PM
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Re: TrakLok vs. Rubicon Limited Slip
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
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> The helical gear system is much more durable. Instead of relying on
> friction to break the bind, it 'senses' torque difference between the
> wheels for differentiation. This does mean that an airborne wheel will
> get all the drive but carefully applying brakes can split the torque
> enough to get the other wheel pulling again.
hi steve,
i dont claim to fully understand how my limited slip works in my rubi, but
fwiw ive had a rear tire off the ground at my sons school (ran out of
parking spaces during the christmas play so i parked in the ditch) and never
had to touch the brake to get the other wheel to pull me out (never put it
in 4x4).
......i bet i sold several jeeps that night to on lookers. :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:M7ERb.7078$Ja2.60110@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> The helical gear system is much more durable. Instead of relying on
> friction to break the bind, it 'senses' torque difference between the
> wheels for differentiation. This does mean that an airborne wheel will
> get all the drive but carefully applying brakes can split the torque
> enough to get the other wheel pulling again.
hi steve,
i dont claim to fully understand how my limited slip works in my rubi, but
fwiw ive had a rear tire off the ground at my sons school (ran out of
parking spaces during the christmas play so i parked in the ditch) and never
had to touch the brake to get the other wheel to pull me out (never put it
in 4x4).
......i bet i sold several jeeps that night to on lookers. :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
01-27-2004, 09:44 PM
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Re: TrakLok vs. Rubicon Limited Slip
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
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> The helical gear system is much more durable. Instead of relying on
> friction to break the bind, it 'senses' torque difference between the
> wheels for differentiation. This does mean that an airborne wheel will
> get all the drive but carefully applying brakes can split the torque
> enough to get the other wheel pulling again.
hi steve,
i dont claim to fully understand how my limited slip works in my rubi, but
fwiw ive had a rear tire off the ground at my sons school (ran out of
parking spaces during the christmas play so i parked in the ditch) and never
had to touch the brake to get the other wheel to pull me out (never put it
in 4x4).
......i bet i sold several jeeps that night to on lookers. :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:M7ERb.7078$Ja2.60110@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> The helical gear system is much more durable. Instead of relying on
> friction to break the bind, it 'senses' torque difference between the
> wheels for differentiation. This does mean that an airborne wheel will
> get all the drive but carefully applying brakes can split the torque
> enough to get the other wheel pulling again.
hi steve,
i dont claim to fully understand how my limited slip works in my rubi, but
fwiw ive had a rear tire off the ground at my sons school (ran out of
parking spaces during the christmas play so i parked in the ditch) and never
had to touch the brake to get the other wheel to pull me out (never put it
in 4x4).
......i bet i sold several jeeps that night to on lookers. :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
01-27-2004, 09:44 PM
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Re: TrakLok vs. Rubicon Limited Slip
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:M7ERb.7078$Ja2.60110@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> The helical gear system is much more durable. Instead of relying on
> friction to break the bind, it 'senses' torque difference between the
> wheels for differentiation. This does mean that an airborne wheel will
> get all the drive but carefully applying brakes can split the torque
> enough to get the other wheel pulling again.
hi steve,
i dont claim to fully understand how my limited slip works in my rubi, but
fwiw ive had a rear tire off the ground at my sons school (ran out of
parking spaces during the christmas play so i parked in the ditch) and never
had to touch the brake to get the other wheel to pull me out (never put it
in 4x4).
......i bet i sold several jeeps that night to on lookers. :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:M7ERb.7078$Ja2.60110@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> The helical gear system is much more durable. Instead of relying on
> friction to break the bind, it 'senses' torque difference between the
> wheels for differentiation. This does mean that an airborne wheel will
> get all the drive but carefully applying brakes can split the torque
> enough to get the other wheel pulling again.
hi steve,
i dont claim to fully understand how my limited slip works in my rubi, but
fwiw ive had a rear tire off the ground at my sons school (ran out of
parking spaces during the christmas play so i parked in the ditch) and never
had to touch the brake to get the other wheel to pull me out (never put it
in 4x4).
......i bet i sold several jeeps that night to on lookers. :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com