Traction
09-12-2006, 10:51 PM
#21
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Re: Traction
Be sure and take a camera with you so you may add a broken picture
to: http://www.----------.com/dana35c/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Scotty wrote:
>
> It does have the D35.
to: http://www.----------.com/dana35c/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Scotty wrote:
>
> It does have the D35.
09-12-2006, 10:51 PM
#22
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Re: Traction
Be sure and take a camera with you so you may add a broken picture
to: http://www.----------.com/dana35c/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Scotty wrote:
>
> It does have the D35.
to: http://www.----------.com/dana35c/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Scotty wrote:
>
> It does have the D35.
09-12-2006, 11:24 PM
#23
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Re: Traction
He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as
long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks.
If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to the
conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles
and were excited when they did.
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message
news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> It does have the D35.
>
> Carl wrote:
>> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it
>> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I
>> wheeled
>> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine
>> and
>> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been
>> locked.
>>
>> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under
>> power,
>> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the
>> cheap
>> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can
>> upgrade
>> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35
>> from
>> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a
>> ticking time bomb.
>>
>> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have
>> the
>> D35.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message
>> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com...
>> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
>> >
>> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
>> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
>> >>
>> >> [..snipped..]
>> >>
>> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small
>> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What
>> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with
>> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I
>> >>
>> >> [..snipped..]
>> >
>> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with
>> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go
>> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I
>> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent
>> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther
>> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot
>> > with experience.
>> >
>> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being
>> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a
>> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to
>> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing
>> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin
>> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip.
>> >
>> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the
>> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the
>> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or
>> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll
>> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson
>> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch,
>> > and then limited-slip differential(s).
>> > --
>
long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks.
If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to the
conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles
and were excited when they did.
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message
news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> It does have the D35.
>
> Carl wrote:
>> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it
>> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I
>> wheeled
>> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine
>> and
>> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been
>> locked.
>>
>> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under
>> power,
>> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the
>> cheap
>> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can
>> upgrade
>> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35
>> from
>> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a
>> ticking time bomb.
>>
>> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have
>> the
>> D35.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message
>> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com...
>> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
>> >
>> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
>> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
>> >>
>> >> [..snipped..]
>> >>
>> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small
>> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What
>> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with
>> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I
>> >>
>> >> [..snipped..]
>> >
>> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with
>> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go
>> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I
>> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent
>> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther
>> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot
>> > with experience.
>> >
>> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being
>> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a
>> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to
>> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing
>> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin
>> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip.
>> >
>> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the
>> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the
>> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or
>> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll
>> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson
>> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch,
>> > and then limited-slip differential(s).
>> > --
>
09-12-2006, 11:24 PM
#24
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Posts: n/a
Re: Traction
He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as
long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks.
If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to the
conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles
and were excited when they did.
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message
news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> It does have the D35.
>
> Carl wrote:
>> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it
>> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I
>> wheeled
>> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine
>> and
>> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been
>> locked.
>>
>> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under
>> power,
>> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the
>> cheap
>> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can
>> upgrade
>> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35
>> from
>> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a
>> ticking time bomb.
>>
>> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have
>> the
>> D35.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message
>> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com...
>> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
>> >
>> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
>> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
>> >>
>> >> [..snipped..]
>> >>
>> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small
>> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What
>> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with
>> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I
>> >>
>> >> [..snipped..]
>> >
>> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with
>> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go
>> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I
>> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent
>> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther
>> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot
>> > with experience.
>> >
>> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being
>> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a
>> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to
>> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing
>> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin
>> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip.
>> >
>> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the
>> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the
>> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or
>> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll
>> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson
>> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch,
>> > and then limited-slip differential(s).
>> > --
>
long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks.
If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to the
conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles
and were excited when they did.
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message
news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> It does have the D35.
>
> Carl wrote:
>> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it
>> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I
>> wheeled
>> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine
>> and
>> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been
>> locked.
>>
>> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under
>> power,
>> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the
>> cheap
>> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can
>> upgrade
>> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35
>> from
>> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a
>> ticking time bomb.
>>
>> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have
>> the
>> D35.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message
>> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com...
>> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
>> >
>> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
>> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
>> >>
>> >> [..snipped..]
>> >>
>> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small
>> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What
>> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with
>> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I
>> >>
>> >> [..snipped..]
>> >
>> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with
>> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go
>> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I
>> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent
>> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther
>> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot
>> > with experience.
>> >
>> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being
>> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a
>> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to
>> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing
>> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin
>> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip.
>> >
>> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the
>> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the
>> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or
>> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll
>> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson
>> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch,
>> > and then limited-slip differential(s).
>> > --
>
09-12-2006, 11:24 PM
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Traction
He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as
long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks.
If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to the
conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles
and were excited when they did.
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message
news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> It does have the D35.
>
> Carl wrote:
>> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it
>> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I
>> wheeled
>> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine
>> and
>> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been
>> locked.
>>
>> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under
>> power,
>> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the
>> cheap
>> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can
>> upgrade
>> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35
>> from
>> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a
>> ticking time bomb.
>>
>> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have
>> the
>> D35.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message
>> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com...
>> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
>> >
>> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
>> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
>> >>
>> >> [..snipped..]
>> >>
>> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small
>> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What
>> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with
>> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I
>> >>
>> >> [..snipped..]
>> >
>> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with
>> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go
>> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I
>> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent
>> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther
>> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot
>> > with experience.
>> >
>> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being
>> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a
>> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to
>> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing
>> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin
>> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip.
>> >
>> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the
>> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the
>> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or
>> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll
>> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson
>> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch,
>> > and then limited-slip differential(s).
>> > --
>
long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks.
If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to the
conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles
and were excited when they did.
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message
news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> It does have the D35.
>
> Carl wrote:
>> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it
>> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I
>> wheeled
>> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine
>> and
>> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been
>> locked.
>>
>> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under
>> power,
>> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the
>> cheap
>> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can
>> upgrade
>> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35
>> from
>> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a
>> ticking time bomb.
>>
>> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have
>> the
>> D35.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message
>> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com...
>> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
>> >
>> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
>> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
>> >>
>> >> [..snipped..]
>> >>
>> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small
>> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What
>> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with
>> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I
>> >>
>> >> [..snipped..]
>> >
>> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with
>> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go
>> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I
>> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent
>> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther
>> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot
>> > with experience.
>> >
>> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being
>> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a
>> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to
>> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing
>> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin
>> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip.
>> >
>> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the
>> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the
>> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or
>> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll
>> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson
>> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch,
>> > and then limited-slip differential(s).
>> > --
>
09-12-2006, 11:45 PM
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Traction
A Lock Rite is a light weight locker but it is still a locker. A Trak-Lok
is what I recommend for the D-35, but you are still going to go sideways.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:c33a0$45077a0b$422afc51$16782@FUSE.NET...
> He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as
> long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks.
>
> If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to
the
> conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles
> and were excited when they did.
>
> "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message
> news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > It does have the D35.
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power
it
> >> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I
> >> wheeled
> >> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine
> >> and
> >> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been
> >> locked.
> >>
> >> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under
> >> power,
> >> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the
> >> cheap
> >> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can
> >> upgrade
> >> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35
> >> from
> >> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a
> >> ticking time bomb.
> >>
> >> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have
> >> the
> >> D35.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >>
> >> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message
> >> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com...
> >> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
> >> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
> >> >>
> >> >> [..snipped..]
> >> >>
> >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small
> >> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What
> >> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with
> >> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I
> >> >>
> >> >> [..snipped..]
> >> >
> >> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with
> >> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go
> >> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I
> >> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and
excellent
> >> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther
> >> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot
> >> > with experience.
> >> >
> >> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being
> >> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a
> >> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to
> >> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing
> >> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the
margin
> >> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip.
> >> >
> >> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the
> >> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the
> >> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or
> >> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt
I'll
> >> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson
> >> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch,
> >> > and then limited-slip differential(s).
> >> > --
> >
>
>
is what I recommend for the D-35, but you are still going to go sideways.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:c33a0$45077a0b$422afc51$16782@FUSE.NET...
> He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as
> long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks.
>
> If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to
the
> conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles
> and were excited when they did.
>
> "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message
> news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > It does have the D35.
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power
it
> >> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I
> >> wheeled
> >> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine
> >> and
> >> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been
> >> locked.
> >>
> >> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under
> >> power,
> >> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the
> >> cheap
> >> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can
> >> upgrade
> >> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35
> >> from
> >> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a
> >> ticking time bomb.
> >>
> >> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have
> >> the
> >> D35.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >>
> >> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message
> >> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com...
> >> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
> >> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
> >> >>
> >> >> [..snipped..]
> >> >>
> >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small
> >> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What
> >> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with
> >> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I
> >> >>
> >> >> [..snipped..]
> >> >
> >> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with
> >> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go
> >> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I
> >> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and
excellent
> >> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther
> >> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot
> >> > with experience.
> >> >
> >> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being
> >> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a
> >> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to
> >> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing
> >> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the
margin
> >> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip.
> >> >
> >> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the
> >> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the
> >> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or
> >> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt
I'll
> >> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson
> >> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch,
> >> > and then limited-slip differential(s).
> >> > --
> >
>
>
09-12-2006, 11:45 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Traction
A Lock Rite is a light weight locker but it is still a locker. A Trak-Lok
is what I recommend for the D-35, but you are still going to go sideways.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:c33a0$45077a0b$422afc51$16782@FUSE.NET...
> He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as
> long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks.
>
> If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to
the
> conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles
> and were excited when they did.
>
> "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message
> news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > It does have the D35.
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power
it
> >> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I
> >> wheeled
> >> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine
> >> and
> >> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been
> >> locked.
> >>
> >> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under
> >> power,
> >> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the
> >> cheap
> >> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can
> >> upgrade
> >> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35
> >> from
> >> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a
> >> ticking time bomb.
> >>
> >> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have
> >> the
> >> D35.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >>
> >> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message
> >> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com...
> >> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
> >> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
> >> >>
> >> >> [..snipped..]
> >> >>
> >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small
> >> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What
> >> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with
> >> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I
> >> >>
> >> >> [..snipped..]
> >> >
> >> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with
> >> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go
> >> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I
> >> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and
excellent
> >> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther
> >> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot
> >> > with experience.
> >> >
> >> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being
> >> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a
> >> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to
> >> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing
> >> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the
margin
> >> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip.
> >> >
> >> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the
> >> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the
> >> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or
> >> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt
I'll
> >> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson
> >> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch,
> >> > and then limited-slip differential(s).
> >> > --
> >
>
>
is what I recommend for the D-35, but you are still going to go sideways.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:c33a0$45077a0b$422afc51$16782@FUSE.NET...
> He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as
> long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks.
>
> If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to
the
> conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles
> and were excited when they did.
>
> "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message
> news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > It does have the D35.
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power
it
> >> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I
> >> wheeled
> >> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine
> >> and
> >> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been
> >> locked.
> >>
> >> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under
> >> power,
> >> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the
> >> cheap
> >> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can
> >> upgrade
> >> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35
> >> from
> >> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a
> >> ticking time bomb.
> >>
> >> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have
> >> the
> >> D35.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >>
> >> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message
> >> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com...
> >> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
> >> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
> >> >>
> >> >> [..snipped..]
> >> >>
> >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small
> >> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What
> >> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with
> >> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I
> >> >>
> >> >> [..snipped..]
> >> >
> >> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with
> >> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go
> >> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I
> >> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and
excellent
> >> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther
> >> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot
> >> > with experience.
> >> >
> >> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being
> >> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a
> >> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to
> >> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing
> >> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the
margin
> >> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip.
> >> >
> >> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the
> >> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the
> >> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or
> >> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt
I'll
> >> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson
> >> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch,
> >> > and then limited-slip differential(s).
> >> > --
> >
>
>
09-12-2006, 11:45 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Traction
A Lock Rite is a light weight locker but it is still a locker. A Trak-Lok
is what I recommend for the D-35, but you are still going to go sideways.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:c33a0$45077a0b$422afc51$16782@FUSE.NET...
> He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as
> long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks.
>
> If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to
the
> conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles
> and were excited when they did.
>
> "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message
> news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > It does have the D35.
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power
it
> >> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I
> >> wheeled
> >> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine
> >> and
> >> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been
> >> locked.
> >>
> >> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under
> >> power,
> >> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the
> >> cheap
> >> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can
> >> upgrade
> >> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35
> >> from
> >> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a
> >> ticking time bomb.
> >>
> >> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have
> >> the
> >> D35.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >>
> >> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message
> >> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com...
> >> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
> >> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
> >> >>
> >> >> [..snipped..]
> >> >>
> >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small
> >> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What
> >> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with
> >> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I
> >> >>
> >> >> [..snipped..]
> >> >
> >> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with
> >> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go
> >> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I
> >> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and
excellent
> >> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther
> >> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot
> >> > with experience.
> >> >
> >> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being
> >> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a
> >> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to
> >> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing
> >> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the
margin
> >> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip.
> >> >
> >> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the
> >> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the
> >> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or
> >> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt
I'll
> >> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson
> >> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch,
> >> > and then limited-slip differential(s).
> >> > --
> >
>
>
is what I recommend for the D-35, but you are still going to go sideways.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:c33a0$45077a0b$422afc51$16782@FUSE.NET...
> He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as
> long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks.
>
> If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to
the
> conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles
> and were excited when they did.
>
> "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message
> news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > It does have the D35.
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power
it
> >> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I
> >> wheeled
> >> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine
> >> and
> >> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been
> >> locked.
> >>
> >> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under
> >> power,
> >> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the
> >> cheap
> >> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can
> >> upgrade
> >> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35
> >> from
> >> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a
> >> ticking time bomb.
> >>
> >> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have
> >> the
> >> D35.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >>
> >> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message
> >> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com...
> >> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
> >> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
> >> >>
> >> >> [..snipped..]
> >> >>
> >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small
> >> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What
> >> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with
> >> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I
> >> >>
> >> >> [..snipped..]
> >> >
> >> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with
> >> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go
> >> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I
> >> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and
excellent
> >> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther
> >> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot
> >> > with experience.
> >> >
> >> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being
> >> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a
> >> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to
> >> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing
> >> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the
margin
> >> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip.
> >> >
> >> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the
> >> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the
> >> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or
> >> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt
I'll
> >> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson
> >> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch,
> >> > and then limited-slip differential(s).
> >> > --
> >
>
>
09-13-2006, 12:37 AM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Traction
Just personal opinion, but after one snow storm (28 inches <g>) I
yanked the positraction (limited slip, clutch type) off the front end
of the Scout I had just bought. As others point out, locking both
ends is good if you want to get far enough in to REALLY break
something but the front locker WILL cause you problems, especially in
the snow. Turning becomes a challenge as it wants to just plow
straight ahead and your first trip down a snow covered, high crowned
road will introduce you the the reason they call them "low side
finders". The part that got my attention was slowing down - even with
a 4-banger it gets interesting, to say the least. If you let off the
gas too much or too fast, you are going to get at least one wheel
slipping (plowing) at which point you then get 4 wheels sliding and
become a 4-pt hockey puck. It is counter-intuitive, but the only
recovery is to give it gas until the wheels start to roll - which is
hard to make yourself do.
Given the time you spend on the road vs off-road and the length of
your snow season you are probably better off with an open front end
and at most a limted slip (tracloc or such) in the rear. My
preference would be a manual locker in the rear so that I had full
control of when it locks but the rear axles in the D35 won't take it
for long. I've snapped axles even with the tracloc when working the
gas too hard and getting a sudden grab on just one side. Even with
just a limited slip in the rear and the 4-banger you will have to pay
close attention when accelerating or taking a slick hill. If not,
you'll find that it will quickly decide to go back down as it does a
rapid 180.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:01:51 UTC "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net>
wrote:
> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
> hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done
> Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2
> rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light
> foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between
> Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker
> or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells
> and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price.
> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town
> so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the
> advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited
> slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at
> a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I
> have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until
> activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is
> appreciated.
>
--
Will Honea
yanked the positraction (limited slip, clutch type) off the front end
of the Scout I had just bought. As others point out, locking both
ends is good if you want to get far enough in to REALLY break
something but the front locker WILL cause you problems, especially in
the snow. Turning becomes a challenge as it wants to just plow
straight ahead and your first trip down a snow covered, high crowned
road will introduce you the the reason they call them "low side
finders". The part that got my attention was slowing down - even with
a 4-banger it gets interesting, to say the least. If you let off the
gas too much or too fast, you are going to get at least one wheel
slipping (plowing) at which point you then get 4 wheels sliding and
become a 4-pt hockey puck. It is counter-intuitive, but the only
recovery is to give it gas until the wheels start to roll - which is
hard to make yourself do.
Given the time you spend on the road vs off-road and the length of
your snow season you are probably better off with an open front end
and at most a limted slip (tracloc or such) in the rear. My
preference would be a manual locker in the rear so that I had full
control of when it locks but the rear axles in the D35 won't take it
for long. I've snapped axles even with the tracloc when working the
gas too hard and getting a sudden grab on just one side. Even with
just a limited slip in the rear and the 4-banger you will have to pay
close attention when accelerating or taking a slick hill. If not,
you'll find that it will quickly decide to go back down as it does a
rapid 180.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:01:51 UTC "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net>
wrote:
> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
> hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done
> Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2
> rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light
> foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between
> Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker
> or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells
> and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price.
> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town
> so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the
> advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited
> slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at
> a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I
> have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until
> activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is
> appreciated.
>
--
Will Honea
09-13-2006, 12:37 AM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Traction
Just personal opinion, but after one snow storm (28 inches <g>) I
yanked the positraction (limited slip, clutch type) off the front end
of the Scout I had just bought. As others point out, locking both
ends is good if you want to get far enough in to REALLY break
something but the front locker WILL cause you problems, especially in
the snow. Turning becomes a challenge as it wants to just plow
straight ahead and your first trip down a snow covered, high crowned
road will introduce you the the reason they call them "low side
finders". The part that got my attention was slowing down - even with
a 4-banger it gets interesting, to say the least. If you let off the
gas too much or too fast, you are going to get at least one wheel
slipping (plowing) at which point you then get 4 wheels sliding and
become a 4-pt hockey puck. It is counter-intuitive, but the only
recovery is to give it gas until the wheels start to roll - which is
hard to make yourself do.
Given the time you spend on the road vs off-road and the length of
your snow season you are probably better off with an open front end
and at most a limted slip (tracloc or such) in the rear. My
preference would be a manual locker in the rear so that I had full
control of when it locks but the rear axles in the D35 won't take it
for long. I've snapped axles even with the tracloc when working the
gas too hard and getting a sudden grab on just one side. Even with
just a limited slip in the rear and the 4-banger you will have to pay
close attention when accelerating or taking a slick hill. If not,
you'll find that it will quickly decide to go back down as it does a
rapid 180.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:01:51 UTC "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net>
wrote:
> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
> hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done
> Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2
> rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light
> foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between
> Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker
> or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells
> and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price.
> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town
> so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the
> advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited
> slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at
> a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I
> have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until
> activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is
> appreciated.
>
--
Will Honea
yanked the positraction (limited slip, clutch type) off the front end
of the Scout I had just bought. As others point out, locking both
ends is good if you want to get far enough in to REALLY break
something but the front locker WILL cause you problems, especially in
the snow. Turning becomes a challenge as it wants to just plow
straight ahead and your first trip down a snow covered, high crowned
road will introduce you the the reason they call them "low side
finders". The part that got my attention was slowing down - even with
a 4-banger it gets interesting, to say the least. If you let off the
gas too much or too fast, you are going to get at least one wheel
slipping (plowing) at which point you then get 4 wheels sliding and
become a 4-pt hockey puck. It is counter-intuitive, but the only
recovery is to give it gas until the wheels start to roll - which is
hard to make yourself do.
Given the time you spend on the road vs off-road and the length of
your snow season you are probably better off with an open front end
and at most a limted slip (tracloc or such) in the rear. My
preference would be a manual locker in the rear so that I had full
control of when it locks but the rear axles in the D35 won't take it
for long. I've snapped axles even with the tracloc when working the
gas too hard and getting a sudden grab on just one side. Even with
just a limited slip in the rear and the 4-banger you will have to pay
close attention when accelerating or taking a slick hill. If not,
you'll find that it will quickly decide to go back down as it does a
rapid 180.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:01:51 UTC "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net>
wrote:
> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for
> hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done
> Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2
> rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light
> foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between
> Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker
> or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells
> and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price.
> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town
> so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the
> advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited
> slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at
> a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I
> have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until
> activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is
> appreciated.
>
--
Will Honea