Re: Towing my CJ-7 across country
 

The drive shaft will not physically fall off and get lost along the highway,
but it can drag on the ground if it isn't secured well.






"Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
news:zqednWiNV84eV_zbnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Thanks Mike.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4661a1d6$0$18869$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> The t-case gets lubed from the input shaft from the transmission
>> spinning.
>>
>> When the t-case is in neutral, only the output shaft to the rear spins as
>> you tow, the rest and the transmission stay still which is the idea.
>> Spinning the driveshaft only will lead to a dry tailshaft bearing.
>>
>> It is only 4 small bolts to remove the rear of the driveshaft, then you
>> can tie it up to the frame with a bunjy or coat hanger. It will 'not'
>> fall out, it has a u-joint and a fixed yoke at the t-case. I recommend
>> duct taping the bearing caps in place on the u-joint though.
>>
>> Some newer ones will fall out when the back u-joint is unhooked.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>>
>>
>> Anthony T wrote:
>>> Thanks folks.
>>> Just out of curiousity; If I were to leave the drive shaft connected and
>>> leave the tranny in gear and the transfer case in nuetral, why do I need
>>> to start the engine every couple hundred miles? It seems to me if the
>>> drive shaft is spinning, so are the gears inside the transfer case and
>>> Tranny. I dont get it.
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:K2X7i.18$443.8@trnddc05...
>>>> You should disconnect the driveshaft at the rear diff and suspend it
>>>> with some rope or bungee cords.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, you want to secure the the shaft so it will not fall out,
>>>> but it is okay to leave it connected to the tcase.
>>>>
>>>> The problem you have with leaving it connected is that you have to stop
>>>> periodically and allow the motor to run so that the tcase spins and
>>>> throws oil onto the Output Shaft Bearing. This bearing will dry out and
>>>> suffer damage, but you can avoid all the fuss by disconnecting the
>>>> driveshaft.
>>>>
>>>> And, you do not want the tranny in Neutal, you want the tcase in
>>>> Neutral. The tranny should remain engaged in 1st or Reverse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ndydnUtoCqfj6sLbnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>> I am towing my 1986 Jeep CJ-7 on a U-Haul tow dolly (front wheels off
>>>>> the ground, rear wheels on the ground) I think I have a T-176 manual
>>>>> tranny. Do I need to disconnect the rear drive-shaft or can I just put
>>>>> the tranny in nuetral and tow it. Any suggestions will be helpful.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>

Re: Towing my CJ-7 across country
 

The drive shaft will not physically fall off and get lost along the highway,
but it can drag on the ground if it isn't secured well.






"Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
news:zqednWiNV84eV_zbnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Thanks Mike.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4661a1d6$0$18869$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> The t-case gets lubed from the input shaft from the transmission
>> spinning.
>>
>> When the t-case is in neutral, only the output shaft to the rear spins as
>> you tow, the rest and the transmission stay still which is the idea.
>> Spinning the driveshaft only will lead to a dry tailshaft bearing.
>>
>> It is only 4 small bolts to remove the rear of the driveshaft, then you
>> can tie it up to the frame with a bunjy or coat hanger. It will 'not'
>> fall out, it has a u-joint and a fixed yoke at the t-case. I recommend
>> duct taping the bearing caps in place on the u-joint though.
>>
>> Some newer ones will fall out when the back u-joint is unhooked.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>>
>>
>> Anthony T wrote:
>>> Thanks folks.
>>> Just out of curiousity; If I were to leave the drive shaft connected and
>>> leave the tranny in gear and the transfer case in nuetral, why do I need
>>> to start the engine every couple hundred miles? It seems to me if the
>>> drive shaft is spinning, so are the gears inside the transfer case and
>>> Tranny. I dont get it.
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:K2X7i.18$443.8@trnddc05...
>>>> You should disconnect the driveshaft at the rear diff and suspend it
>>>> with some rope or bungee cords.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, you want to secure the the shaft so it will not fall out,
>>>> but it is okay to leave it connected to the tcase.
>>>>
>>>> The problem you have with leaving it connected is that you have to stop
>>>> periodically and allow the motor to run so that the tcase spins and
>>>> throws oil onto the Output Shaft Bearing. This bearing will dry out and
>>>> suffer damage, but you can avoid all the fuss by disconnecting the
>>>> driveshaft.
>>>>
>>>> And, you do not want the tranny in Neutal, you want the tcase in
>>>> Neutral. The tranny should remain engaged in 1st or Reverse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ndydnUtoCqfj6sLbnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>> I am towing my 1986 Jeep CJ-7 on a U-Haul tow dolly (front wheels off
>>>>> the ground, rear wheels on the ground) I think I have a T-176 manual
>>>>> tranny. Do I need to disconnect the rear drive-shaft or can I just put
>>>>> the tranny in nuetral and tow it. Any suggestions will be helpful.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>

Re: Towing my CJ-7 across country
 

The drive shaft will not physically fall off and get lost along the highway,
but it can drag on the ground if it isn't secured well.






"Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
news:zqednWiNV84eV_zbnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Thanks Mike.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4661a1d6$0$18869$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> The t-case gets lubed from the input shaft from the transmission
>> spinning.
>>
>> When the t-case is in neutral, only the output shaft to the rear spins as
>> you tow, the rest and the transmission stay still which is the idea.
>> Spinning the driveshaft only will lead to a dry tailshaft bearing.
>>
>> It is only 4 small bolts to remove the rear of the driveshaft, then you
>> can tie it up to the frame with a bunjy or coat hanger. It will 'not'
>> fall out, it has a u-joint and a fixed yoke at the t-case. I recommend
>> duct taping the bearing caps in place on the u-joint though.
>>
>> Some newer ones will fall out when the back u-joint is unhooked.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>>
>>
>> Anthony T wrote:
>>> Thanks folks.
>>> Just out of curiousity; If I were to leave the drive shaft connected and
>>> leave the tranny in gear and the transfer case in nuetral, why do I need
>>> to start the engine every couple hundred miles? It seems to me if the
>>> drive shaft is spinning, so are the gears inside the transfer case and
>>> Tranny. I dont get it.
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:K2X7i.18$443.8@trnddc05...
>>>> You should disconnect the driveshaft at the rear diff and suspend it
>>>> with some rope or bungee cords.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, you want to secure the the shaft so it will not fall out,
>>>> but it is okay to leave it connected to the tcase.
>>>>
>>>> The problem you have with leaving it connected is that you have to stop
>>>> periodically and allow the motor to run so that the tcase spins and
>>>> throws oil onto the Output Shaft Bearing. This bearing will dry out and
>>>> suffer damage, but you can avoid all the fuss by disconnecting the
>>>> driveshaft.
>>>>
>>>> And, you do not want the tranny in Neutal, you want the tcase in
>>>> Neutral. The tranny should remain engaged in 1st or Reverse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ndydnUtoCqfj6sLbnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>> I am towing my 1986 Jeep CJ-7 on a U-Haul tow dolly (front wheels off
>>>>> the ground, rear wheels on the ground) I think I have a T-176 manual
>>>>> tranny. Do I need to disconnect the rear drive-shaft or can I just put
>>>>> the tranny in nuetral and tow it. Any suggestions will be helpful.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>

Re: Towing my CJ-7 across country
 

Thanks Jeff, et. al. Looks like I will disconnect rear shaft.

Trip is from Seattle to San Antonio (approx 2300 miles)
Towing my Jeep on a U-Haull dolly behind a Jeep Grand Cherokee. With gas at
$3.00 + a gallon, it will make for a pricey trip. Oh well.


"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:hik8i.958$Uy4.124@trndny09...
>
> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
> news:iMOdneBIWf62APzbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thanks folks.
>> Just out of curiousity; If I were to leave the drive shaft connected and
>> leave the tranny in gear and the transfer case in nuetral, why do I need
>> to start the engine every couple hundred miles? It seems to me if the
>> drive shaft is spinning, so are the gears inside the transfer case and
>> Tranny. I
>
>
>
> Because the output shaft of the tcase is above the oil level, so it spins
> dry unless the transmission is providing input -- which it isn't doing
> while being towed on a dolly. When the tcase is set to N, the output shaft
> is disconnected right where it enters the tcase from the rear end. The
> tcase internals are at rest in this condition, causing the bearing on the
> output shaft to be dry.
>
> The Front Driveshaft is below the oil level, so one could surmise that if
> the front hubs were locked and the Jeep was being flat-towed, then the
> front tires would drive the front driveshaft which would drive the
> internals of the tcase which would throw oil onto the output shaft
> connected to the rear wheels, and thereby keep the bearing we are worried
> about bathed in oil. But, you are using a tow dolly, so this doesn't apply
> to you.
>
>
>
>
>
>> dont get it.
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:K2X7i.18$443.8@trnddc05...
>>> You should disconnect the driveshaft at the rear diff and suspend it
>>> with some rope or bungee cords.
>>>
>>> Obviously, you want to secure the the shaft so it will not fall out, but
>>> it is okay to leave it connected to the tcase.
>>>
>>> The problem you have with leaving it connected is that you have to stop
>>> periodically and allow the motor to run so that the tcase spins and
>>> throws oil onto the Output Shaft Bearing. This bearing will dry out and
>>> suffer damage, but you can avoid all the fuss by disconnecting the
>>> driveshaft.
>>>
>>> And, you do not want the tranny in Neutal, you want the tcase in
>>> Neutral. The tranny should remain engaged in 1st or Reverse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ndydnUtoCqfj6sLbnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>I am towing my 1986 Jeep CJ-7 on a U-Haul tow dolly (front wheels off
>>>>the ground, rear wheels on the ground) I think I have a T-176 manual
>>>>tranny. Do I need to disconnect the rear drive-shaft or can I just put
>>>>the tranny in nuetral and tow it. Any suggestions will be helpful.
>>>>Thanks
>>>
>>
>

Re: Towing my CJ-7 across country
 

Thanks Jeff, et. al. Looks like I will disconnect rear shaft.

Trip is from Seattle to San Antonio (approx 2300 miles)
Towing my Jeep on a U-Haull dolly behind a Jeep Grand Cherokee. With gas at
$3.00 + a gallon, it will make for a pricey trip. Oh well.


"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:hik8i.958$Uy4.124@trndny09...
>
> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
> news:iMOdneBIWf62APzbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thanks folks.
>> Just out of curiousity; If I were to leave the drive shaft connected and
>> leave the tranny in gear and the transfer case in nuetral, why do I need
>> to start the engine every couple hundred miles? It seems to me if the
>> drive shaft is spinning, so are the gears inside the transfer case and
>> Tranny. I
>
>
>
> Because the output shaft of the tcase is above the oil level, so it spins
> dry unless the transmission is providing input -- which it isn't doing
> while being towed on a dolly. When the tcase is set to N, the output shaft
> is disconnected right where it enters the tcase from the rear end. The
> tcase internals are at rest in this condition, causing the bearing on the
> output shaft to be dry.
>
> The Front Driveshaft is below the oil level, so one could surmise that if
> the front hubs were locked and the Jeep was being flat-towed, then the
> front tires would drive the front driveshaft which would drive the
> internals of the tcase which would throw oil onto the output shaft
> connected to the rear wheels, and thereby keep the bearing we are worried
> about bathed in oil. But, you are using a tow dolly, so this doesn't apply
> to you.
>
>
>
>
>
>> dont get it.
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:K2X7i.18$443.8@trnddc05...
>>> You should disconnect the driveshaft at the rear diff and suspend it
>>> with some rope or bungee cords.
>>>
>>> Obviously, you want to secure the the shaft so it will not fall out, but
>>> it is okay to leave it connected to the tcase.
>>>
>>> The problem you have with leaving it connected is that you have to stop
>>> periodically and allow the motor to run so that the tcase spins and
>>> throws oil onto the Output Shaft Bearing. This bearing will dry out and
>>> suffer damage, but you can avoid all the fuss by disconnecting the
>>> driveshaft.
>>>
>>> And, you do not want the tranny in Neutal, you want the tcase in
>>> Neutral. The tranny should remain engaged in 1st or Reverse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ndydnUtoCqfj6sLbnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>I am towing my 1986 Jeep CJ-7 on a U-Haul tow dolly (front wheels off
>>>>the ground, rear wheels on the ground) I think I have a T-176 manual
>>>>tranny. Do I need to disconnect the rear drive-shaft or can I just put
>>>>the tranny in nuetral and tow it. Any suggestions will be helpful.
>>>>Thanks
>>>
>>
>

Re: Towing my CJ-7 across country
 

Thanks Jeff, et. al. Looks like I will disconnect rear shaft.

Trip is from Seattle to San Antonio (approx 2300 miles)
Towing my Jeep on a U-Haull dolly behind a Jeep Grand Cherokee. With gas at
$3.00 + a gallon, it will make for a pricey trip. Oh well.


"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:hik8i.958$Uy4.124@trndny09...
>
> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
> news:iMOdneBIWf62APzbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thanks folks.
>> Just out of curiousity; If I were to leave the drive shaft connected and
>> leave the tranny in gear and the transfer case in nuetral, why do I need
>> to start the engine every couple hundred miles? It seems to me if the
>> drive shaft is spinning, so are the gears inside the transfer case and
>> Tranny. I
>
>
>
> Because the output shaft of the tcase is above the oil level, so it spins
> dry unless the transmission is providing input -- which it isn't doing
> while being towed on a dolly. When the tcase is set to N, the output shaft
> is disconnected right where it enters the tcase from the rear end. The
> tcase internals are at rest in this condition, causing the bearing on the
> output shaft to be dry.
>
> The Front Driveshaft is below the oil level, so one could surmise that if
> the front hubs were locked and the Jeep was being flat-towed, then the
> front tires would drive the front driveshaft which would drive the
> internals of the tcase which would throw oil onto the output shaft
> connected to the rear wheels, and thereby keep the bearing we are worried
> about bathed in oil. But, you are using a tow dolly, so this doesn't apply
> to you.
>
>
>
>
>
>> dont get it.
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:K2X7i.18$443.8@trnddc05...
>>> You should disconnect the driveshaft at the rear diff and suspend it
>>> with some rope or bungee cords.
>>>
>>> Obviously, you want to secure the the shaft so it will not fall out, but
>>> it is okay to leave it connected to the tcase.
>>>
>>> The problem you have with leaving it connected is that you have to stop
>>> periodically and allow the motor to run so that the tcase spins and
>>> throws oil onto the Output Shaft Bearing. This bearing will dry out and
>>> suffer damage, but you can avoid all the fuss by disconnecting the
>>> driveshaft.
>>>
>>> And, you do not want the tranny in Neutal, you want the tcase in
>>> Neutral. The tranny should remain engaged in 1st or Reverse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ndydnUtoCqfj6sLbnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>I am towing my 1986 Jeep CJ-7 on a U-Haul tow dolly (front wheels off
>>>>the ground, rear wheels on the ground) I think I have a T-176 manual
>>>>tranny. Do I need to disconnect the rear drive-shaft or can I just put
>>>>the tranny in nuetral and tow it. Any suggestions will be helpful.
>>>>Thanks
>>>
>>
>

Re: Towing my CJ-7 across country
 

Thanks Jeff, et. al. Looks like I will disconnect rear shaft.

Trip is from Seattle to San Antonio (approx 2300 miles)
Towing my Jeep on a U-Haull dolly behind a Jeep Grand Cherokee. With gas at
$3.00 + a gallon, it will make for a pricey trip. Oh well.


"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:hik8i.958$Uy4.124@trndny09...
>
> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
> news:iMOdneBIWf62APzbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thanks folks.
>> Just out of curiousity; If I were to leave the drive shaft connected and
>> leave the tranny in gear and the transfer case in nuetral, why do I need
>> to start the engine every couple hundred miles? It seems to me if the
>> drive shaft is spinning, so are the gears inside the transfer case and
>> Tranny. I
>
>
>
> Because the output shaft of the tcase is above the oil level, so it spins
> dry unless the transmission is providing input -- which it isn't doing
> while being towed on a dolly. When the tcase is set to N, the output shaft
> is disconnected right where it enters the tcase from the rear end. The
> tcase internals are at rest in this condition, causing the bearing on the
> output shaft to be dry.
>
> The Front Driveshaft is below the oil level, so one could surmise that if
> the front hubs were locked and the Jeep was being flat-towed, then the
> front tires would drive the front driveshaft which would drive the
> internals of the tcase which would throw oil onto the output shaft
> connected to the rear wheels, and thereby keep the bearing we are worried
> about bathed in oil. But, you are using a tow dolly, so this doesn't apply
> to you.
>
>
>
>
>
>> dont get it.
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:K2X7i.18$443.8@trnddc05...
>>> You should disconnect the driveshaft at the rear diff and suspend it
>>> with some rope or bungee cords.
>>>
>>> Obviously, you want to secure the the shaft so it will not fall out, but
>>> it is okay to leave it connected to the tcase.
>>>
>>> The problem you have with leaving it connected is that you have to stop
>>> periodically and allow the motor to run so that the tcase spins and
>>> throws oil onto the Output Shaft Bearing. This bearing will dry out and
>>> suffer damage, but you can avoid all the fuss by disconnecting the
>>> driveshaft.
>>>
>>> And, you do not want the tranny in Neutal, you want the tcase in
>>> Neutral. The tranny should remain engaged in 1st or Reverse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ndydnUtoCqfj6sLbnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>I am towing my 1986 Jeep CJ-7 on a U-Haul tow dolly (front wheels off
>>>>the ground, rear wheels on the ground) I think I have a T-176 manual
>>>>tranny. Do I need to disconnect the rear drive-shaft or can I just put
>>>>the tranny in nuetral and tow it. Any suggestions will be helpful.
>>>>Thanks
>>>
>>
>

Re: Towing my CJ-7 across country
 

You're welcome. Drive safe ...

I don't know the difference in price between the dolloy and a trailer, but I
think I'd be more comfortable with the trailer. For one thing, the dolly is
a royal bitch to back up, indeed I think it is impossible because it will
jack knife. When I was dragging my Jeep to the desert, I flat towed, and on
the few occasions I needed to back up, I had to have my daugher hold the
steering wheel straight, and even then I could only back up a couple of
feet, just enough to give room in front of the mo'home to clear whatever was
there. The dolly has a pivot point that will make the unit jack knife even
if you have somebody to hold the steering wheel for you.

I don't know if the trailer would be a cheaper pull in terms of rolling
resistance and that sort of thing ...

Anyhow, have a nice drive and keep the greasy side down.





"Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
news:JvKdnT5x0qYUQv_bnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Thanks Jeff, et. al. Looks like I will disconnect rear shaft.
>
> Trip is from Seattle to San Antonio (approx 2300 miles)
> Towing my Jeep on a U-Haull dolly behind a Jeep Grand Cherokee. With gas
> at $3.00 + a gallon, it will make for a pricey trip. Oh well.
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:hik8i.958$Uy4.124@trndny09...
>>
>> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
>> news:iMOdneBIWf62APzbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> Thanks folks.
>>> Just out of curiousity; If I were to leave the drive shaft connected and
>>> leave the tranny in gear and the transfer case in nuetral, why do I need
>>> to start the engine every couple hundred miles? It seems to me if the
>>> drive shaft is spinning, so are the gears inside the transfer case and
>>> Tranny. I
>>
>>
>>
>> Because the output shaft of the tcase is above the oil level, so it spins
>> dry unless the transmission is providing input -- which it isn't doing
>> while being towed on a dolly. When the tcase is set to N, the output
>> shaft is disconnected right where it enters the tcase from the rear end.
>> The tcase internals are at rest in this condition, causing the bearing on
>> the output shaft to be dry.
>>
>> The Front Driveshaft is below the oil level, so one could surmise that if
>> the front hubs were locked and the Jeep was being flat-towed, then the
>> front tires would drive the front driveshaft which would drive the
>> internals of the tcase which would throw oil onto the output shaft
>> connected to the rear wheels, and thereby keep the bearing we are worried
>> about bathed in oil. But, you are using a tow dolly, so this doesn't
>> apply to you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> dont get it.
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:K2X7i.18$443.8@trnddc05...
>>>> You should disconnect the driveshaft at the rear diff and suspend it
>>>> with some rope or bungee cords.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, you want to secure the the shaft so it will not fall out,
>>>> but it is okay to leave it connected to the tcase.
>>>>
>>>> The problem you have with leaving it connected is that you have to stop
>>>> periodically and allow the motor to run so that the tcase spins and
>>>> throws oil onto the Output Shaft Bearing. This bearing will dry out and
>>>> suffer damage, but you can avoid all the fuss by disconnecting the
>>>> driveshaft.
>>>>
>>>> And, you do not want the tranny in Neutal, you want the tcase in
>>>> Neutral. The tranny should remain engaged in 1st or Reverse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ndydnUtoCqfj6sLbnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>>I am towing my 1986 Jeep CJ-7 on a U-Haul tow dolly (front wheels off
>>>>>the ground, rear wheels on the ground) I think I have a T-176 manual
>>>>>tranny. Do I need to disconnect the rear drive-shaft or can I just put
>>>>>the tranny in nuetral and tow it. Any suggestions will be helpful.
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: Towing my CJ-7 across country
 

You're welcome. Drive safe ...

I don't know the difference in price between the dolloy and a trailer, but I
think I'd be more comfortable with the trailer. For one thing, the dolly is
a royal bitch to back up, indeed I think it is impossible because it will
jack knife. When I was dragging my Jeep to the desert, I flat towed, and on
the few occasions I needed to back up, I had to have my daugher hold the
steering wheel straight, and even then I could only back up a couple of
feet, just enough to give room in front of the mo'home to clear whatever was
there. The dolly has a pivot point that will make the unit jack knife even
if you have somebody to hold the steering wheel for you.

I don't know if the trailer would be a cheaper pull in terms of rolling
resistance and that sort of thing ...

Anyhow, have a nice drive and keep the greasy side down.





"Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
news:JvKdnT5x0qYUQv_bnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Thanks Jeff, et. al. Looks like I will disconnect rear shaft.
>
> Trip is from Seattle to San Antonio (approx 2300 miles)
> Towing my Jeep on a U-Haull dolly behind a Jeep Grand Cherokee. With gas
> at $3.00 + a gallon, it will make for a pricey trip. Oh well.
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:hik8i.958$Uy4.124@trndny09...
>>
>> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
>> news:iMOdneBIWf62APzbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> Thanks folks.
>>> Just out of curiousity; If I were to leave the drive shaft connected and
>>> leave the tranny in gear and the transfer case in nuetral, why do I need
>>> to start the engine every couple hundred miles? It seems to me if the
>>> drive shaft is spinning, so are the gears inside the transfer case and
>>> Tranny. I
>>
>>
>>
>> Because the output shaft of the tcase is above the oil level, so it spins
>> dry unless the transmission is providing input -- which it isn't doing
>> while being towed on a dolly. When the tcase is set to N, the output
>> shaft is disconnected right where it enters the tcase from the rear end.
>> The tcase internals are at rest in this condition, causing the bearing on
>> the output shaft to be dry.
>>
>> The Front Driveshaft is below the oil level, so one could surmise that if
>> the front hubs were locked and the Jeep was being flat-towed, then the
>> front tires would drive the front driveshaft which would drive the
>> internals of the tcase which would throw oil onto the output shaft
>> connected to the rear wheels, and thereby keep the bearing we are worried
>> about bathed in oil. But, you are using a tow dolly, so this doesn't
>> apply to you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> dont get it.
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:K2X7i.18$443.8@trnddc05...
>>>> You should disconnect the driveshaft at the rear diff and suspend it
>>>> with some rope or bungee cords.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, you want to secure the the shaft so it will not fall out,
>>>> but it is okay to leave it connected to the tcase.
>>>>
>>>> The problem you have with leaving it connected is that you have to stop
>>>> periodically and allow the motor to run so that the tcase spins and
>>>> throws oil onto the Output Shaft Bearing. This bearing will dry out and
>>>> suffer damage, but you can avoid all the fuss by disconnecting the
>>>> driveshaft.
>>>>
>>>> And, you do not want the tranny in Neutal, you want the tcase in
>>>> Neutral. The tranny should remain engaged in 1st or Reverse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ndydnUtoCqfj6sLbnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>>I am towing my 1986 Jeep CJ-7 on a U-Haul tow dolly (front wheels off
>>>>>the ground, rear wheels on the ground) I think I have a T-176 manual
>>>>>tranny. Do I need to disconnect the rear drive-shaft or can I just put
>>>>>the tranny in nuetral and tow it. Any suggestions will be helpful.
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: Towing my CJ-7 across country
 

You're welcome. Drive safe ...

I don't know the difference in price between the dolloy and a trailer, but I
think I'd be more comfortable with the trailer. For one thing, the dolly is
a royal bitch to back up, indeed I think it is impossible because it will
jack knife. When I was dragging my Jeep to the desert, I flat towed, and on
the few occasions I needed to back up, I had to have my daugher hold the
steering wheel straight, and even then I could only back up a couple of
feet, just enough to give room in front of the mo'home to clear whatever was
there. The dolly has a pivot point that will make the unit jack knife even
if you have somebody to hold the steering wheel for you.

I don't know if the trailer would be a cheaper pull in terms of rolling
resistance and that sort of thing ...

Anyhow, have a nice drive and keep the greasy side down.





"Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
news:JvKdnT5x0qYUQv_bnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Thanks Jeff, et. al. Looks like I will disconnect rear shaft.
>
> Trip is from Seattle to San Antonio (approx 2300 miles)
> Towing my Jeep on a U-Haull dolly behind a Jeep Grand Cherokee. With gas
> at $3.00 + a gallon, it will make for a pricey trip. Oh well.
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:hik8i.958$Uy4.124@trndny09...
>>
>> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
>> news:iMOdneBIWf62APzbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> Thanks folks.
>>> Just out of curiousity; If I were to leave the drive shaft connected and
>>> leave the tranny in gear and the transfer case in nuetral, why do I need
>>> to start the engine every couple hundred miles? It seems to me if the
>>> drive shaft is spinning, so are the gears inside the transfer case and
>>> Tranny. I
>>
>>
>>
>> Because the output shaft of the tcase is above the oil level, so it spins
>> dry unless the transmission is providing input -- which it isn't doing
>> while being towed on a dolly. When the tcase is set to N, the output
>> shaft is disconnected right where it enters the tcase from the rear end.
>> The tcase internals are at rest in this condition, causing the bearing on
>> the output shaft to be dry.
>>
>> The Front Driveshaft is below the oil level, so one could surmise that if
>> the front hubs were locked and the Jeep was being flat-towed, then the
>> front tires would drive the front driveshaft which would drive the
>> internals of the tcase which would throw oil onto the output shaft
>> connected to the rear wheels, and thereby keep the bearing we are worried
>> about bathed in oil. But, you are using a tow dolly, so this doesn't
>> apply to you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> dont get it.
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:K2X7i.18$443.8@trnddc05...
>>>> You should disconnect the driveshaft at the rear diff and suspend it
>>>> with some rope or bungee cords.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, you want to secure the the shaft so it will not fall out,
>>>> but it is okay to leave it connected to the tcase.
>>>>
>>>> The problem you have with leaving it connected is that you have to stop
>>>> periodically and allow the motor to run so that the tcase spins and
>>>> throws oil onto the Output Shaft Bearing. This bearing will dry out and
>>>> suffer damage, but you can avoid all the fuss by disconnecting the
>>>> driveshaft.
>>>>
>>>> And, you do not want the tranny in Neutal, you want the tcase in
>>>> Neutral. The tranny should remain engaged in 1st or Reverse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Anthony T" <bud@remail-it.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ndydnUtoCqfj6sLbnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>>I am towing my 1986 Jeep CJ-7 on a U-Haul tow dolly (front wheels off
>>>>>the ground, rear wheels on the ground) I think I have a T-176 manual
>>>>>tranny. Do I need to disconnect the rear drive-shaft or can I just put
>>>>>the tranny in nuetral and tow it. Any suggestions will be helpful.
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>>
>