Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
 

One reason - perhaps the only reason - to put the D44 in front is that it
will be geared the same as the one in the back.





"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message
news:bHwdd.34235$bk1.18661@fed1read05...
> Well, all you have to do is measure them to see if they're the right
width.
> You can buy a complete TJ bracket kit from Rubicon Express for $300 or a
> slightly beefier set at M.O.R.E. for $400.
>
> I wouldn't bother installing the D44 up front. The D30 is strong enough
for
> most wheeling activities (certainly not all) up to the 35" tire size.
Plus
> the 297 u-joint on your Dana 30 is as strong as the one on a Dana 44 and
is
> usually the weak link anyway... so unless you upgraded the D44's u-joints
> too, the Dana 44's stronger ring & pinion gears are not much of a factor.
>
> Jerry
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> "Witek Busse" <wbusse@REMOVEfilterlogix.com> wrote in message
> news:10nd4so7j8bn4e4@corp.supernews.com...
> >I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
1972
> > Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
swap
> > the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> > resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
44
> > I
> > have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI,
> > my
> > shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access
> > to
> > a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> > the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them
> > on,
> > however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
> > better
> > dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will
> > be
> > my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> > offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them
> > on
> > to my jeep.
> >
> > WGB
> >
> >
>
>

Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
 

One reason - perhaps the only reason - to put the D44 in front is that it
will be geared the same as the one in the back.





"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message
news:bHwdd.34235$bk1.18661@fed1read05...
> Well, all you have to do is measure them to see if they're the right
width.
> You can buy a complete TJ bracket kit from Rubicon Express for $300 or a
> slightly beefier set at M.O.R.E. for $400.
>
> I wouldn't bother installing the D44 up front. The D30 is strong enough
for
> most wheeling activities (certainly not all) up to the 35" tire size.
Plus
> the 297 u-joint on your Dana 30 is as strong as the one on a Dana 44 and
is
> usually the weak link anyway... so unless you upgraded the D44's u-joints
> too, the Dana 44's stronger ring & pinion gears are not much of a factor.
>
> Jerry
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> "Witek Busse" <wbusse@REMOVEfilterlogix.com> wrote in message
> news:10nd4so7j8bn4e4@corp.supernews.com...
> >I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
1972
> > Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
swap
> > the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> > resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
44
> > I
> > have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI,
> > my
> > shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access
> > to
> > a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> > the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them
> > on,
> > however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
> > better
> > dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will
> > be
> > my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> > offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them
> > on
> > to my jeep.
> >
> > WGB
> >
> >
>
>

Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
 

One reason - perhaps the only reason - to put the D44 in front is that it
will be geared the same as the one in the back.





"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message
news:bHwdd.34235$bk1.18661@fed1read05...
> Well, all you have to do is measure them to see if they're the right
width.
> You can buy a complete TJ bracket kit from Rubicon Express for $300 or a
> slightly beefier set at M.O.R.E. for $400.
>
> I wouldn't bother installing the D44 up front. The D30 is strong enough
for
> most wheeling activities (certainly not all) up to the 35" tire size.
Plus
> the 297 u-joint on your Dana 30 is as strong as the one on a Dana 44 and
is
> usually the weak link anyway... so unless you upgraded the D44's u-joints
> too, the Dana 44's stronger ring & pinion gears are not much of a factor.
>
> Jerry
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> "Witek Busse" <wbusse@REMOVEfilterlogix.com> wrote in message
> news:10nd4so7j8bn4e4@corp.supernews.com...
> >I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
1972
> > Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
swap
> > the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> > resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
44
> > I
> > have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around?
FYI,
> > my
> > shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have
access
> > to
> > a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest
for
> > the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them
> > on,
> > however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
> > better
> > dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this
will
> > be
> > my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> > offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them
> > on
> > to my jeep.
> >
> > WGB
> >
> >
>
>

Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
 

I am in look for a front dana 44. For a small fee I will let you dispose of
it at my house as well.

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10ndn05cfpmd68a@corp.supernews.com...
> Those D44s from the Scout suck in a big way. Avoid the hassle and just
> drop
> them at my house. I'll dispose of them properly.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Witek Busse" <wbusse@REMOVEfilterlogix.com> wrote in message
> news:10nd4so7j8bn4e4@corp.supernews.com...
>> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
>> 1972
>> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
>> swap
>> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
>> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
>> 44
> I
>> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around? FYI,
> my
>> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have access
> to
>> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest for
>> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them
> on,
>> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
> better
>> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this will
> be
>> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
>> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them
> on
>> to my jeep.
>>
>> WGB
>>
>>
>
>

Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
 

I am in look for a front dana 44. For a small fee I will let you dispose of
it at my house as well.

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10ndn05cfpmd68a@corp.supernews.com...
> Those D44s from the Scout suck in a big way. Avoid the hassle and just
> drop
> them at my house. I'll dispose of them properly.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Witek Busse" <wbusse@REMOVEfilterlogix.com> wrote in message
> news:10nd4so7j8bn4e4@corp.supernews.com...
>> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
>> 1972
>> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
>> swap
>> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
>> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
>> 44
> I
>> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around? FYI,
> my
>> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have access
> to
>> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest for
>> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them
> on,
>> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
> better
>> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this will
> be
>> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
>> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them
> on
>> to my jeep.
>>
>> WGB
>>
>>
>
>

Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
 

I am in look for a front dana 44. For a small fee I will let you dispose of
it at my house as well.

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10ndn05cfpmd68a@corp.supernews.com...
> Those D44s from the Scout suck in a big way. Avoid the hassle and just
> drop
> them at my house. I'll dispose of them properly.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Witek Busse" <wbusse@REMOVEfilterlogix.com> wrote in message
> news:10nd4so7j8bn4e4@corp.supernews.com...
>> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his
>> 1972
>> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to
>> swap
>> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
>> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana
>> 44
> I
>> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around? FYI,
> my
>> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have access
> to
>> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest for
>> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them
> on,
>> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there
> better
>> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this will
> be
>> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
>> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them
> on
>> to my jeep.
>>
>> WGB
>>
>>
>
>

Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
 

And you wouldn't have to change to the stronger 44 axles, floating
wheel bearings, and the matching Real Jeep 5 on 5 1/2" lugs:
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/yjwarnaxle/
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

CRWLR wrote:
>
> One reason - perhaps the only reason - to put the D44 in front is that it
> will be geared the same as the one in the back.

Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
 

And you wouldn't have to change to the stronger 44 axles, floating
wheel bearings, and the matching Real Jeep 5 on 5 1/2" lugs:
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/yjwarnaxle/
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

CRWLR wrote:
>
> One reason - perhaps the only reason - to put the D44 in front is that it
> will be geared the same as the one in the back.

Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
 

And you wouldn't have to change to the stronger 44 axles, floating
wheel bearings, and the matching Real Jeep 5 on 5 1/2" lugs:
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/yjwarnaxle/
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

CRWLR wrote:
>
> One reason - perhaps the only reason - to put the D44 in front is that it
> will be geared the same as the one in the back.

Re: TJ Dana 44 axle converstion
 

Hi Witek,

The Scout axles are about 58" wide, a bit more narrow than your D30/35,
but close enough.

They have a different wheel bolt pattern: 5 on 5.5". Your TJ has 5 on
4.5", so if you use the Scout axles, you'll need different wheels.

The Scout front has locking hubs. This is an advantage over your TJ Dana
30 especially if you want to run a front automatic locker in the
differential.

Your 1972 Scout front might have 5-260X u-joints. Be sure to check. If
so, this is a definite disadvantage over your TJ Dana 30's 5-270X joints.

The Scout front has the differential on the passenger side, so you'll
need to ditch your NV231 transfer case and adapt something like a Dana
300 from a CJ. This is an upgrade in terms of durability, so it may be
worth considering.

The Scout front caster is zero degrees. Assuming you're gonna lift your
TJ a few inches, you'll want about 5 degrees of positive caster. This
likely means rotating the Scout knuckles in order to get the right
combination of caster and pinion angle.

An alternative to the Scout front might be a Ford F-150/250 Dana 44.
Also 5 on 5.5". Reverse cut Dana, high pinion, 11" discs, 297 joints,
but 65" wide and would have to be narrowed.

Installing an aftermarket bracketry kit:

http://www.bc4x4.com/pv/tj/fa/brackets.cfm

Alternately, you could replace your TJ coils with leafs:

http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/tj-7.htm

If you choose to keep your Dana 30 front and use the Scout rear, you'll
want to match wheel bolt patterns. Use spacer/adapters:

http://www.spidertrax.com/drivetrain_whs.htm

or change your D30 outers to something with 5 on 5.5.

Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org


Witek Busse wrote:
> I have a '97 TJ sport. My brother gave me two dana 44 axles from his 1972
> Scout II (rear and front). The question I have is: How hard is it to swap
> the Dana 30/35's from my current jeep and put these on. Are there any
> resources on the internet which show how to do this swap. Are the dana 44 I
> have too wide and would I have to narrow them? or other way around? FYI, my
> shop has a TIG welder a large lathe and a bridgeport mill., I have access to
> a MIG welder as well. So, I have metalworking experiance - hobbiest for
> the last 7 years, so I am not affraid of making brakets and welding them on,
> however I need to know if this project is worth the time or are there better
> dana 44 axles out there. Basically I can do farbrication , but this will be
> my first jeep project. Any help is appreciated. Lastly, I plan on
> offroading and since I got these two axles I would not mind putting them on
> to my jeep.
>
> WGB
>
>