Tire size for my 90YJ
02-14-2006, 06:11 PM
#61
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Re: Tire size for my 90YJ
Less rotational inertia (to use bigger words than you might be able to
handle). But that is NOT the issue that you spoke of earlier. You
referred to "at the same speed". Get it right instead of your usual
spout off.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Why do you think they accelerate faster?
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>
> RoyJ wrote:
>
>>But hot rodders who use aluminum flywheels want to ACCELERATE quickly.
>>You original statement was that
>>
>>"oversized tires will take about fifty more horsepower to turn at
>>the same speeds"
>>
>>I don't see anything in those words about ACCELERATION. You clearly said
>>"at the same speed"
>>
>>Quit ------ing old wives tales.
handle). But that is NOT the issue that you spoke of earlier. You
referred to "at the same speed". Get it right instead of your usual
spout off.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Why do you think they accelerate faster?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
>
>>But hot rodders who use aluminum flywheels want to ACCELERATE quickly.
>>You original statement was that
>>
>>"oversized tires will take about fifty more horsepower to turn at
>>the same speeds"
>>
>>I don't see anything in those words about ACCELERATION. You clearly said
>>"at the same speed"
>>
>>Quit ------ing old wives tales.
02-14-2006, 06:32 PM
#62
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Re: Tire size for my 90YJ
Put your wheels on a dynamometer, and you will see it takes
horsepower to maintain speed, that's how we measure horsepower:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/horsepower2.htm Moving 33,000 foot-pounds
per minute. Why do you think they put aluminum rims on econo cars?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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RoyJ wrote:
>
> Less rotational inertia (to use bigger words than you might be able to
> handle). But that is NOT the issue that you spoke of earlier. You
> referred to "at the same speed". Get it right instead of your usual
> spout off.
horsepower to maintain speed, that's how we measure horsepower:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/horsepower2.htm Moving 33,000 foot-pounds
per minute. Why do you think they put aluminum rims on econo cars?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
RoyJ wrote:
>
> Less rotational inertia (to use bigger words than you might be able to
> handle). But that is NOT the issue that you spoke of earlier. You
> referred to "at the same speed". Get it right instead of your usual
> spout off.
02-14-2006, 06:32 PM
#63
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Re: Tire size for my 90YJ
Put your wheels on a dynamometer, and you will see it takes
horsepower to maintain speed, that's how we measure horsepower:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/horsepower2.htm Moving 33,000 foot-pounds
per minute. Why do you think they put aluminum rims on econo cars?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
RoyJ wrote:
>
> Less rotational inertia (to use bigger words than you might be able to
> handle). But that is NOT the issue that you spoke of earlier. You
> referred to "at the same speed". Get it right instead of your usual
> spout off.
horsepower to maintain speed, that's how we measure horsepower:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/horsepower2.htm Moving 33,000 foot-pounds
per minute. Why do you think they put aluminum rims on econo cars?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
RoyJ wrote:
>
> Less rotational inertia (to use bigger words than you might be able to
> handle). But that is NOT the issue that you spoke of earlier. You
> referred to "at the same speed". Get it right instead of your usual
> spout off.
02-14-2006, 06:32 PM
#64
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Re: Tire size for my 90YJ
Put your wheels on a dynamometer, and you will see it takes
horsepower to maintain speed, that's how we measure horsepower:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/horsepower2.htm Moving 33,000 foot-pounds
per minute. Why do you think they put aluminum rims on econo cars?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
RoyJ wrote:
>
> Less rotational inertia (to use bigger words than you might be able to
> handle). But that is NOT the issue that you spoke of earlier. You
> referred to "at the same speed". Get it right instead of your usual
> spout off.
horsepower to maintain speed, that's how we measure horsepower:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/horsepower2.htm Moving 33,000 foot-pounds
per minute. Why do you think they put aluminum rims on econo cars?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
RoyJ wrote:
>
> Less rotational inertia (to use bigger words than you might be able to
> handle). But that is NOT the issue that you spoke of earlier. You
> referred to "at the same speed". Get it right instead of your usual
> spout off.
02-14-2006, 06:32 PM
#65
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Re: Tire size for my 90YJ
Put your wheels on a dynamometer, and you will see it takes
horsepower to maintain speed, that's how we measure horsepower:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/horsepower2.htm Moving 33,000 foot-pounds
per minute. Why do you think they put aluminum rims on econo cars?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
RoyJ wrote:
>
> Less rotational inertia (to use bigger words than you might be able to
> handle). But that is NOT the issue that you spoke of earlier. You
> referred to "at the same speed". Get it right instead of your usual
> spout off.
horsepower to maintain speed, that's how we measure horsepower:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/horsepower2.htm Moving 33,000 foot-pounds
per minute. Why do you think they put aluminum rims on econo cars?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
RoyJ wrote:
>
> Less rotational inertia (to use bigger words than you might be able to
> handle). But that is NOT the issue that you spoke of earlier. You
> referred to "at the same speed". Get it right instead of your usual
> spout off.
02-18-2006, 05:54 PM
#66
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Re: Tire size for my 90YJ
The issue with mountain bike tires versus road bike tires has more to do
with compliance than weight. That is why land speed record holders used
aluminum tires rather than rubber. The weight will make acceleration more
difficult, but it does not affect top speed at all. If you really want
acceleration on a bike, you build one to take mountain bike wheels, but
replace the fat mountain bike tires with 650mm road bike tires, like these.
http://tinyurl.com/93982 The problem that most people have with these, and
that prevents more universal acceptance among the lycra clad elite, is that
they are very quick to respond to steering, a little too quick for most.
RoyJ isn't thinking properly with respect to Jeep tires either. People run
bigger tires, and reduce the tire pressure to compensate, just like you
would do on a bike. Bigger tires flex more in use, dissipate more energy,
and require some additional horsepower to run. But the weight has nothing
to do with it. Nothing.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43F13938.5CB5D3FC@***.net...
> So Lance Armstrong should have raced a bicycle with mountain bike
> tires as their weight makes no difference?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
> >
> > Old wives tale. At the same speed the additional hp to run bigger tires
> > is negliable. They will change the effective gear ratio so you might
> > need more hp (lower on thepower curve) but that is not what you said.
with compliance than weight. That is why land speed record holders used
aluminum tires rather than rubber. The weight will make acceleration more
difficult, but it does not affect top speed at all. If you really want
acceleration on a bike, you build one to take mountain bike wheels, but
replace the fat mountain bike tires with 650mm road bike tires, like these.
http://tinyurl.com/93982 The problem that most people have with these, and
that prevents more universal acceptance among the lycra clad elite, is that
they are very quick to respond to steering, a little too quick for most.
RoyJ isn't thinking properly with respect to Jeep tires either. People run
bigger tires, and reduce the tire pressure to compensate, just like you
would do on a bike. Bigger tires flex more in use, dissipate more energy,
and require some additional horsepower to run. But the weight has nothing
to do with it. Nothing.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43F13938.5CB5D3FC@***.net...
> So Lance Armstrong should have raced a bicycle with mountain bike
> tires as their weight makes no difference?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
> >
> > Old wives tale. At the same speed the additional hp to run bigger tires
> > is negliable. They will change the effective gear ratio so you might
> > need more hp (lower on thepower curve) but that is not what you said.
02-18-2006, 05:54 PM
#67
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Re: Tire size for my 90YJ
The issue with mountain bike tires versus road bike tires has more to do
with compliance than weight. That is why land speed record holders used
aluminum tires rather than rubber. The weight will make acceleration more
difficult, but it does not affect top speed at all. If you really want
acceleration on a bike, you build one to take mountain bike wheels, but
replace the fat mountain bike tires with 650mm road bike tires, like these.
http://tinyurl.com/93982 The problem that most people have with these, and
that prevents more universal acceptance among the lycra clad elite, is that
they are very quick to respond to steering, a little too quick for most.
RoyJ isn't thinking properly with respect to Jeep tires either. People run
bigger tires, and reduce the tire pressure to compensate, just like you
would do on a bike. Bigger tires flex more in use, dissipate more energy,
and require some additional horsepower to run. But the weight has nothing
to do with it. Nothing.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43F13938.5CB5D3FC@***.net...
> So Lance Armstrong should have raced a bicycle with mountain bike
> tires as their weight makes no difference?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
> >
> > Old wives tale. At the same speed the additional hp to run bigger tires
> > is negliable. They will change the effective gear ratio so you might
> > need more hp (lower on thepower curve) but that is not what you said.
with compliance than weight. That is why land speed record holders used
aluminum tires rather than rubber. The weight will make acceleration more
difficult, but it does not affect top speed at all. If you really want
acceleration on a bike, you build one to take mountain bike wheels, but
replace the fat mountain bike tires with 650mm road bike tires, like these.
http://tinyurl.com/93982 The problem that most people have with these, and
that prevents more universal acceptance among the lycra clad elite, is that
they are very quick to respond to steering, a little too quick for most.
RoyJ isn't thinking properly with respect to Jeep tires either. People run
bigger tires, and reduce the tire pressure to compensate, just like you
would do on a bike. Bigger tires flex more in use, dissipate more energy,
and require some additional horsepower to run. But the weight has nothing
to do with it. Nothing.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43F13938.5CB5D3FC@***.net...
> So Lance Armstrong should have raced a bicycle with mountain bike
> tires as their weight makes no difference?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
> >
> > Old wives tale. At the same speed the additional hp to run bigger tires
> > is negliable. They will change the effective gear ratio so you might
> > need more hp (lower on thepower curve) but that is not what you said.
02-18-2006, 05:54 PM
#68
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Re: Tire size for my 90YJ
The issue with mountain bike tires versus road bike tires has more to do
with compliance than weight. That is why land speed record holders used
aluminum tires rather than rubber. The weight will make acceleration more
difficult, but it does not affect top speed at all. If you really want
acceleration on a bike, you build one to take mountain bike wheels, but
replace the fat mountain bike tires with 650mm road bike tires, like these.
http://tinyurl.com/93982 The problem that most people have with these, and
that prevents more universal acceptance among the lycra clad elite, is that
they are very quick to respond to steering, a little too quick for most.
RoyJ isn't thinking properly with respect to Jeep tires either. People run
bigger tires, and reduce the tire pressure to compensate, just like you
would do on a bike. Bigger tires flex more in use, dissipate more energy,
and require some additional horsepower to run. But the weight has nothing
to do with it. Nothing.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43F13938.5CB5D3FC@***.net...
> So Lance Armstrong should have raced a bicycle with mountain bike
> tires as their weight makes no difference?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
> >
> > Old wives tale. At the same speed the additional hp to run bigger tires
> > is negliable. They will change the effective gear ratio so you might
> > need more hp (lower on thepower curve) but that is not what you said.
with compliance than weight. That is why land speed record holders used
aluminum tires rather than rubber. The weight will make acceleration more
difficult, but it does not affect top speed at all. If you really want
acceleration on a bike, you build one to take mountain bike wheels, but
replace the fat mountain bike tires with 650mm road bike tires, like these.
http://tinyurl.com/93982 The problem that most people have with these, and
that prevents more universal acceptance among the lycra clad elite, is that
they are very quick to respond to steering, a little too quick for most.
RoyJ isn't thinking properly with respect to Jeep tires either. People run
bigger tires, and reduce the tire pressure to compensate, just like you
would do on a bike. Bigger tires flex more in use, dissipate more energy,
and require some additional horsepower to run. But the weight has nothing
to do with it. Nothing.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43F13938.5CB5D3FC@***.net...
> So Lance Armstrong should have raced a bicycle with mountain bike
> tires as their weight makes no difference?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
> >
> > Old wives tale. At the same speed the additional hp to run bigger tires
> > is negliable. They will change the effective gear ratio so you might
> > need more hp (lower on thepower curve) but that is not what you said.
02-18-2006, 05:54 PM
#69
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Re: Tire size for my 90YJ
The issue with mountain bike tires versus road bike tires has more to do
with compliance than weight. That is why land speed record holders used
aluminum tires rather than rubber. The weight will make acceleration more
difficult, but it does not affect top speed at all. If you really want
acceleration on a bike, you build one to take mountain bike wheels, but
replace the fat mountain bike tires with 650mm road bike tires, like these.
http://tinyurl.com/93982 The problem that most people have with these, and
that prevents more universal acceptance among the lycra clad elite, is that
they are very quick to respond to steering, a little too quick for most.
RoyJ isn't thinking properly with respect to Jeep tires either. People run
bigger tires, and reduce the tire pressure to compensate, just like you
would do on a bike. Bigger tires flex more in use, dissipate more energy,
and require some additional horsepower to run. But the weight has nothing
to do with it. Nothing.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43F13938.5CB5D3FC@***.net...
> So Lance Armstrong should have raced a bicycle with mountain bike
> tires as their weight makes no difference?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
> >
> > Old wives tale. At the same speed the additional hp to run bigger tires
> > is negliable. They will change the effective gear ratio so you might
> > need more hp (lower on thepower curve) but that is not what you said.
with compliance than weight. That is why land speed record holders used
aluminum tires rather than rubber. The weight will make acceleration more
difficult, but it does not affect top speed at all. If you really want
acceleration on a bike, you build one to take mountain bike wheels, but
replace the fat mountain bike tires with 650mm road bike tires, like these.
http://tinyurl.com/93982 The problem that most people have with these, and
that prevents more universal acceptance among the lycra clad elite, is that
they are very quick to respond to steering, a little too quick for most.
RoyJ isn't thinking properly with respect to Jeep tires either. People run
bigger tires, and reduce the tire pressure to compensate, just like you
would do on a bike. Bigger tires flex more in use, dissipate more energy,
and require some additional horsepower to run. But the weight has nothing
to do with it. Nothing.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43F13938.5CB5D3FC@***.net...
> So Lance Armstrong should have raced a bicycle with mountain bike
> tires as their weight makes no difference?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
> >
> > Old wives tale. At the same speed the additional hp to run bigger tires
> > is negliable. They will change the effective gear ratio so you might
> > need more hp (lower on thepower curve) but that is not what you said.
02-18-2006, 06:17 PM
#70
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Re: Tire size for my 90YJ
Hi Earle,
What was your four cylinder's top speed before the heavier tires?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The issue with mountain bike tires versus road bike tires has more to do
> with compliance than weight. That is why land speed record holders used
> aluminum tires rather than rubber. The weight will make acceleration more
> difficult, but it does not affect top speed at all. If you really want
> acceleration on a bike, you build one to take mountain bike wheels, but
> replace the fat mountain bike tires with 650mm road bike tires, like these.
> http://tinyurl.com/93982 The problem that most people have with these, and
> that prevents more universal acceptance among the lycra clad elite, is that
> they are very quick to respond to steering, a little too quick for most.
>
> RoyJ isn't thinking properly with respect to Jeep tires either. People run
> bigger tires, and reduce the tire pressure to compensate, just like you
> would do on a bike. Bigger tires flex more in use, dissipate more energy,
> and require some additional horsepower to run. But the weight has nothing
> to do with it. Nothing.
>
> Earle
What was your four cylinder's top speed before the heavier tires?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The issue with mountain bike tires versus road bike tires has more to do
> with compliance than weight. That is why land speed record holders used
> aluminum tires rather than rubber. The weight will make acceleration more
> difficult, but it does not affect top speed at all. If you really want
> acceleration on a bike, you build one to take mountain bike wheels, but
> replace the fat mountain bike tires with 650mm road bike tires, like these.
> http://tinyurl.com/93982 The problem that most people have with these, and
> that prevents more universal acceptance among the lycra clad elite, is that
> they are very quick to respond to steering, a little too quick for most.
>
> RoyJ isn't thinking properly with respect to Jeep tires either. People run
> bigger tires, and reduce the tire pressure to compensate, just like you
> would do on a bike. Bigger tires flex more in use, dissipate more energy,
> and require some additional horsepower to run. But the weight has nothing
> to do with it. Nothing.
>
> Earle