Wilson Holmes

twaldron wrote:
> 33s would be fine, but more importantly, do you know what the gearing is?
>
> tw
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>
> Wilson Holmes wrote:
>> I purchased a 2002 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L for my son that has a 4" lift
>> kit professionally installed. The Jeep came with 35x12.5x15 BF
>> Goodrich ATs. It has a Dana 35 rear with a Detroit locker. The left
>> rear axle was just replaced as the axle broke. Last year the right
>> rear axle broke for the original owner.
>>
>> Research on the net has shown that these tires seem too large for the
>> Dana 35. As I have just replaced the rear axle, I am looking for
>> advice as to a new tire size. I am considering either 32in or 33in.
>> Any suggestions?
Yes. It is 4.56

Wilson Holmes

twaldron wrote:
> 33s would be fine, but more importantly, do you know what the gearing is?
>
> tw
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>
> Wilson Holmes wrote:
>> I purchased a 2002 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L for my son that has a 4" lift
>> kit professionally installed. The Jeep came with 35x12.5x15 BF
>> Goodrich ATs. It has a Dana 35 rear with a Detroit locker. The left
>> rear axle was just replaced as the axle broke. Last year the right
>> rear axle broke for the original owner.
>>
>> Research on the net has shown that these tires seem too large for the
>> Dana 35. As I have just replaced the rear axle, I am looking for
>> advice as to a new tire size. I am considering either 32in or 33in.
>> Any suggestions?
Yes. It is 4.56

Wilson Holmes

twaldron wrote:
> 33s would be fine, but more importantly, do you know what the gearing is?
>
> tw
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>
> Wilson Holmes wrote:
>> I purchased a 2002 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L for my son that has a 4" lift
>> kit professionally installed. The Jeep came with 35x12.5x15 BF
>> Goodrich ATs. It has a Dana 35 rear with a Detroit locker. The left
>> rear axle was just replaced as the axle broke. Last year the right
>> rear axle broke for the original owner.
>>
>> Research on the net has shown that these tires seem too large for the
>> Dana 35. As I have just replaced the rear axle, I am looking for
>> advice as to a new tire size. I am considering either 32in or 33in.
>> Any suggestions?
Yes. It is 4.56

Wilson Holmes

Earle Horton wrote:
> The 35C rear is not up to the load that a 4.0L and a locker can put on it.
> Unless you like replacing axles, take out the Detroit and put in an open
> differential or a Trak-Loc, which is the factory optional limited slip. Do
> you actually need the locker? This is related to the question, "Why the big
> tires?" If they are on there for looks, it would be a mistake to replace
> them with 32s or 33s.
>
> If axles have been broken, there is a good chance that the 35C has taken
> abuse, that is going to show up later. It might be a time to consider an
> axle upgrade, such as one of these http://www.dynatrac.com/aa.html. I can't
> say. I don't know your budget or the intended use for the vehicle.
>
> "Professionally installed" doesn't mean anything. I could argue that
> "professionals" would not have put this lift on, knowing that the customer
> would more than likely install big tires, and blow the axles.
>
> Earle
>
> "Wilson Holmes" <wholmes@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:aSN%f.2478$Qe6.1426@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>> I purchased a 2002 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L for my son that has a 4" lift kit
>> professionally installed. The Jeep came with 35x12.5x15 BF Goodrich
>> ATs. It has a Dana 35 rear with a Detroit locker. The left rear axle
>> was just replaced as the axle broke. Last year the right rear axle
>> broke for the original owner.
>>
>> Research on the net has shown that these tires seem too large for the
>> Dana 35. As I have just replaced the rear axle, I am looking for advice
>> as to a new tire size. I am considering either 32in or 33in. Any
>> suggestions?
>
>
The Jeep was originally updated for show so I am sure the big tires are
for looks. My son and I are using it mainly for transportation and
off-road fun. He is the primary driver, for college, hunting, off road.
I am convinced the big tires are not needed for this use and are a
current liability.

Please elaborate on your concerns about the Detroit Locker and what
alternatives to consider. Money is always a concern, but having just
spent $1,000 for the new rear and repairing the Locker, I do not want to
this very often.

Wilson Holmes

Earle Horton wrote:
> The 35C rear is not up to the load that a 4.0L and a locker can put on it.
> Unless you like replacing axles, take out the Detroit and put in an open
> differential or a Trak-Loc, which is the factory optional limited slip. Do
> you actually need the locker? This is related to the question, "Why the big
> tires?" If they are on there for looks, it would be a mistake to replace
> them with 32s or 33s.
>
> If axles have been broken, there is a good chance that the 35C has taken
> abuse, that is going to show up later. It might be a time to consider an
> axle upgrade, such as one of these http://www.dynatrac.com/aa.html. I can't
> say. I don't know your budget or the intended use for the vehicle.
>
> "Professionally installed" doesn't mean anything. I could argue that
> "professionals" would not have put this lift on, knowing that the customer
> would more than likely install big tires, and blow the axles.
>
> Earle
>
> "Wilson Holmes" <wholmes@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:aSN%f.2478$Qe6.1426@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>> I purchased a 2002 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L for my son that has a 4" lift kit
>> professionally installed. The Jeep came with 35x12.5x15 BF Goodrich
>> ATs. It has a Dana 35 rear with a Detroit locker. The left rear axle
>> was just replaced as the axle broke. Last year the right rear axle
>> broke for the original owner.
>>
>> Research on the net has shown that these tires seem too large for the
>> Dana 35. As I have just replaced the rear axle, I am looking for advice
>> as to a new tire size. I am considering either 32in or 33in. Any
>> suggestions?
>
>
The Jeep was originally updated for show so I am sure the big tires are
for looks. My son and I are using it mainly for transportation and
off-road fun. He is the primary driver, for college, hunting, off road.
I am convinced the big tires are not needed for this use and are a
current liability.

Please elaborate on your concerns about the Detroit Locker and what
alternatives to consider. Money is always a concern, but having just
spent $1,000 for the new rear and repairing the Locker, I do not want to
this very often.

Wilson Holmes

Earle Horton wrote:
> The 35C rear is not up to the load that a 4.0L and a locker can put on it.
> Unless you like replacing axles, take out the Detroit and put in an open
> differential or a Trak-Loc, which is the factory optional limited slip. Do
> you actually need the locker? This is related to the question, "Why the big
> tires?" If they are on there for looks, it would be a mistake to replace
> them with 32s or 33s.
>
> If axles have been broken, there is a good chance that the 35C has taken
> abuse, that is going to show up later. It might be a time to consider an
> axle upgrade, such as one of these http://www.dynatrac.com/aa.html. I can't
> say. I don't know your budget or the intended use for the vehicle.
>
> "Professionally installed" doesn't mean anything. I could argue that
> "professionals" would not have put this lift on, knowing that the customer
> would more than likely install big tires, and blow the axles.
>
> Earle
>
> "Wilson Holmes" <wholmes@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:aSN%f.2478$Qe6.1426@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>> I purchased a 2002 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L for my son that has a 4" lift kit
>> professionally installed. The Jeep came with 35x12.5x15 BF Goodrich
>> ATs. It has a Dana 35 rear with a Detroit locker. The left rear axle
>> was just replaced as the axle broke. Last year the right rear axle
>> broke for the original owner.
>>
>> Research on the net has shown that these tires seem too large for the
>> Dana 35. As I have just replaced the rear axle, I am looking for advice
>> as to a new tire size. I am considering either 32in or 33in. Any
>> suggestions?
>
>
The Jeep was originally updated for show so I am sure the big tires are
for looks. My son and I are using it mainly for transportation and
off-road fun. He is the primary driver, for college, hunting, off road.
I am convinced the big tires are not needed for this use and are a
current liability.

Please elaborate on your concerns about the Detroit Locker and what
alternatives to consider. Money is always a concern, but having just
spent $1,000 for the new rear and repairing the Locker, I do not want to
this very often.

Earle Horton

The locker is breaking your axles, and if you let it, it will grenade the
housing. One approach is to replace the entire axle assembly with one of
these or something similar. http://www.dynatrac.com/aa.html

Another approach is to replace the locker with an open differential or a
Trak-Loc limited slip. Then you should be able to keep the big tires. This
will cost you the price of the differential, plus set up. Since the pinion
depth is already set up, the labor should cost less than replacing a ring
and pinion. Note the use of "should" in this paragraph. For your
application and driving habits, you may actually need a D44.

If you go with smaller tires, they may not be small enough to save the axle,
and you may find that the 4" lift is too much. People will say that they
don't care about looks, but they rarely mean this. ;^)

Earle

"Wilson Holmes" <wholmes@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
news:_PP%f.3210$Qe6.1998@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > The 35C rear is not up to the load that a 4.0L and a locker can put on
it.
> > Unless you like replacing axles, take out the Detroit and put in an open
> > differential or a Trak-Loc, which is the factory optional limited slip.
Do
> > you actually need the locker? This is related to the question, "Why the
big
> > tires?" If they are on there for looks, it would be a mistake to
replace
> > them with 32s or 33s.
> >
> > If axles have been broken, there is a good chance that the 35C has taken
> > abuse, that is going to show up later. It might be a time to consider
an
> > axle upgrade, such as one of these http://www.dynatrac.com/aa.html. I
can't
> > say. I don't know your budget or the intended use for the vehicle.
> >
> > "Professionally installed" doesn't mean anything. I could argue that
> > "professionals" would not have put this lift on, knowing that the
customer
> > would more than likely install big tires, and blow the axles.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Wilson Holmes" <wholmes@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:aSN%f.2478$Qe6.1426@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
> >> I purchased a 2002 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L for my son that has a 4" lift kit
> >> professionally installed. The Jeep came with 35x12.5x15 BF Goodrich
> >> ATs. It has a Dana 35 rear with a Detroit locker. The left rear axle
> >> was just replaced as the axle broke. Last year the right rear axle
> >> broke for the original owner.
> >>
> >> Research on the net has shown that these tires seem too large for the
> >> Dana 35. As I have just replaced the rear axle, I am looking for
advice
> >> as to a new tire size. I am considering either 32in or 33in. Any
> >> suggestions?
> >
> >
> The Jeep was originally updated for show so I am sure the big tires are
> for looks. My son and I are using it mainly for transportation and
> off-road fun. He is the primary driver, for college, hunting, off road.
> I am convinced the big tires are not needed for this use and are a
> current liability.
>
> Please elaborate on your concerns about the Detroit Locker and what
> alternatives to consider. Money is always a concern, but having just
> spent $1,000 for the new rear and repairing the Locker, I do not want to
> this very often.

Earle Horton

The locker is breaking your axles, and if you let it, it will grenade the
housing. One approach is to replace the entire axle assembly with one of
these or something similar. http://www.dynatrac.com/aa.html

Another approach is to replace the locker with an open differential or a
Trak-Loc limited slip. Then you should be able to keep the big tires. This
will cost you the price of the differential, plus set up. Since the pinion
depth is already set up, the labor should cost less than replacing a ring
and pinion. Note the use of "should" in this paragraph. For your
application and driving habits, you may actually need a D44.

If you go with smaller tires, they may not be small enough to save the axle,
and you may find that the 4" lift is too much. People will say that they
don't care about looks, but they rarely mean this. ;^)

Earle

"Wilson Holmes" <wholmes@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
news:_PP%f.3210$Qe6.1998@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > The 35C rear is not up to the load that a 4.0L and a locker can put on
it.
> > Unless you like replacing axles, take out the Detroit and put in an open
> > differential or a Trak-Loc, which is the factory optional limited slip.
Do
> > you actually need the locker? This is related to the question, "Why the
big
> > tires?" If they are on there for looks, it would be a mistake to
replace
> > them with 32s or 33s.
> >
> > If axles have been broken, there is a good chance that the 35C has taken
> > abuse, that is going to show up later. It might be a time to consider
an
> > axle upgrade, such as one of these http://www.dynatrac.com/aa.html. I
can't
> > say. I don't know your budget or the intended use for the vehicle.
> >
> > "Professionally installed" doesn't mean anything. I could argue that
> > "professionals" would not have put this lift on, knowing that the
customer
> > would more than likely install big tires, and blow the axles.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Wilson Holmes" <wholmes@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:aSN%f.2478$Qe6.1426@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
> >> I purchased a 2002 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L for my son that has a 4" lift kit
> >> professionally installed. The Jeep came with 35x12.5x15 BF Goodrich
> >> ATs. It has a Dana 35 rear with a Detroit locker. The left rear axle
> >> was just replaced as the axle broke. Last year the right rear axle
> >> broke for the original owner.
> >>
> >> Research on the net has shown that these tires seem too large for the
> >> Dana 35. As I have just replaced the rear axle, I am looking for
advice
> >> as to a new tire size. I am considering either 32in or 33in. Any
> >> suggestions?
> >
> >
> The Jeep was originally updated for show so I am sure the big tires are
> for looks. My son and I are using it mainly for transportation and
> off-road fun. He is the primary driver, for college, hunting, off road.
> I am convinced the big tires are not needed for this use and are a
> current liability.
>
> Please elaborate on your concerns about the Detroit Locker and what
> alternatives to consider. Money is always a concern, but having just
> spent $1,000 for the new rear and repairing the Locker, I do not want to
> this very often.

Earle Horton

The locker is breaking your axles, and if you let it, it will grenade the
housing. One approach is to replace the entire axle assembly with one of
these or something similar. http://www.dynatrac.com/aa.html

Another approach is to replace the locker with an open differential or a
Trak-Loc limited slip. Then you should be able to keep the big tires. This
will cost you the price of the differential, plus set up. Since the pinion
depth is already set up, the labor should cost less than replacing a ring
and pinion. Note the use of "should" in this paragraph. For your
application and driving habits, you may actually need a D44.

If you go with smaller tires, they may not be small enough to save the axle,
and you may find that the 4" lift is too much. People will say that they
don't care about looks, but they rarely mean this. ;^)

Earle

"Wilson Holmes" <wholmes@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
news:_PP%f.3210$Qe6.1998@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > The 35C rear is not up to the load that a 4.0L and a locker can put on
it.
> > Unless you like replacing axles, take out the Detroit and put in an open
> > differential or a Trak-Loc, which is the factory optional limited slip.
Do
> > you actually need the locker? This is related to the question, "Why the
big
> > tires?" If they are on there for looks, it would be a mistake to
replace
> > them with 32s or 33s.
> >
> > If axles have been broken, there is a good chance that the 35C has taken
> > abuse, that is going to show up later. It might be a time to consider
an
> > axle upgrade, such as one of these http://www.dynatrac.com/aa.html. I
can't
> > say. I don't know your budget or the intended use for the vehicle.
> >
> > "Professionally installed" doesn't mean anything. I could argue that
> > "professionals" would not have put this lift on, knowing that the
customer
> > would more than likely install big tires, and blow the axles.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Wilson Holmes" <wholmes@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:aSN%f.2478$Qe6.1426@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
> >> I purchased a 2002 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L for my son that has a 4" lift kit
> >> professionally installed. The Jeep came with 35x12.5x15 BF Goodrich
> >> ATs. It has a Dana 35 rear with a Detroit locker. The left rear axle
> >> was just replaced as the axle broke. Last year the right rear axle
> >> broke for the original owner.
> >>
> >> Research on the net has shown that these tires seem too large for the
> >> Dana 35. As I have just replaced the rear axle, I am looking for
advice
> >> as to a new tire size. I am considering either 32in or 33in. Any
> >> suggestions?
> >
> >
> The Jeep was originally updated for show so I am sure the big tires are
> for looks. My son and I are using it mainly for transportation and
> off-road fun. He is the primary driver, for college, hunting, off road.
> I am convinced the big tires are not needed for this use and are a
> current liability.
>
> Please elaborate on your concerns about the Detroit Locker and what
> alternatives to consider. Money is always a concern, but having just
> spent $1,000 for the new rear and repairing the Locker, I do not want to
> this very often.