Tire Pressure
#41
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Re: Tire Pressure
That raises a question. What are the alignment issues with the track
bar going REALLY bad? Just looking at it, a bad track bar will let the
axle shift out of alignment with the rear wheels. The axles should
still be parallel but I can see that there might be some scuffing in
turns - but does a bad track bar cause any noticable tire wear?
I found out one thing that it will cause - after I changed mine out
all of the "catch' in the steering just off straight ahead went away -
smooth as can be now. Mine went at the upper (frame side) ball ball
joint - sucker had a good inch of slop by the time I noticed it - so
the front end was moving around pretty good. Just wondering what the
tire effect was as I've never seen anyone mention it.
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:37:15 UTC "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net>
wrote:
> FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I
> would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the
> physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front
> suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent
> frame.
--
Will Honea
bar going REALLY bad? Just looking at it, a bad track bar will let the
axle shift out of alignment with the rear wheels. The axles should
still be parallel but I can see that there might be some scuffing in
turns - but does a bad track bar cause any noticable tire wear?
I found out one thing that it will cause - after I changed mine out
all of the "catch' in the steering just off straight ahead went away -
smooth as can be now. Mine went at the upper (frame side) ball ball
joint - sucker had a good inch of slop by the time I noticed it - so
the front end was moving around pretty good. Just wondering what the
tire effect was as I've never seen anyone mention it.
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:37:15 UTC "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net>
wrote:
> FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I
> would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the
> physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front
> suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent
> frame.
--
Will Honea
#42
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Re: Tire Pressure
That raises a question. What are the alignment issues with the track
bar going REALLY bad? Just looking at it, a bad track bar will let the
axle shift out of alignment with the rear wheels. The axles should
still be parallel but I can see that there might be some scuffing in
turns - but does a bad track bar cause any noticable tire wear?
I found out one thing that it will cause - after I changed mine out
all of the "catch' in the steering just off straight ahead went away -
smooth as can be now. Mine went at the upper (frame side) ball ball
joint - sucker had a good inch of slop by the time I noticed it - so
the front end was moving around pretty good. Just wondering what the
tire effect was as I've never seen anyone mention it.
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:37:15 UTC "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net>
wrote:
> FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I
> would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the
> physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front
> suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent
> frame.
--
Will Honea
bar going REALLY bad? Just looking at it, a bad track bar will let the
axle shift out of alignment with the rear wheels. The axles should
still be parallel but I can see that there might be some scuffing in
turns - but does a bad track bar cause any noticable tire wear?
I found out one thing that it will cause - after I changed mine out
all of the "catch' in the steering just off straight ahead went away -
smooth as can be now. Mine went at the upper (frame side) ball ball
joint - sucker had a good inch of slop by the time I noticed it - so
the front end was moving around pretty good. Just wondering what the
tire effect was as I've never seen anyone mention it.
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:37:15 UTC "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net>
wrote:
> FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I
> would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the
> physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front
> suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent
> frame.
--
Will Honea
#43
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Re: Tire Pressure
That raises a question. What are the alignment issues with the track
bar going REALLY bad? Just looking at it, a bad track bar will let the
axle shift out of alignment with the rear wheels. The axles should
still be parallel but I can see that there might be some scuffing in
turns - but does a bad track bar cause any noticable tire wear?
I found out one thing that it will cause - after I changed mine out
all of the "catch' in the steering just off straight ahead went away -
smooth as can be now. Mine went at the upper (frame side) ball ball
joint - sucker had a good inch of slop by the time I noticed it - so
the front end was moving around pretty good. Just wondering what the
tire effect was as I've never seen anyone mention it.
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:37:15 UTC "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net>
wrote:
> FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I
> would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the
> physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front
> suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent
> frame.
--
Will Honea
bar going REALLY bad? Just looking at it, a bad track bar will let the
axle shift out of alignment with the rear wheels. The axles should
still be parallel but I can see that there might be some scuffing in
turns - but does a bad track bar cause any noticable tire wear?
I found out one thing that it will cause - after I changed mine out
all of the "catch' in the steering just off straight ahead went away -
smooth as can be now. Mine went at the upper (frame side) ball ball
joint - sucker had a good inch of slop by the time I noticed it - so
the front end was moving around pretty good. Just wondering what the
tire effect was as I've never seen anyone mention it.
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:37:15 UTC "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net>
wrote:
> FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I
> would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the
> physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front
> suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent
> frame.
--
Will Honea
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Re: Tire Pressure
Doesch Tech and Bilstein, to name two. Rancho makes a hydraulic shock too.
That's three.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
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> Who make the old style (non pressurized) shocks?
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
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> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:1if8k15pci19s3elssj3hovqmlhq3bmagb@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:45:08 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>No. It can just cause more wear in the center of the tire because the
>>>>outside edges don't touch the road in a straight drive.
>>>>
>>>>Scalloping is due to bad balance or bad shocks.
>>>>
>>> Mike
>>> Any recommendations for new shocks on an un lifted 2000 wrangler sport
>>> that spends most of it's time on the street?
>>> Joe Carroll
>>>
>>
>> I can reccoments shocks NOT to get. Do not get Gas filled shocks.
>
>
That's three.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
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> Who make the old style (non pressurized) shocks?
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:wcednaKkOcyD0tneRVn-iA@ez2.net...
>>
>> "Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:1if8k15pci19s3elssj3hovqmlhq3bmagb@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:45:08 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>No. It can just cause more wear in the center of the tire because the
>>>>outside edges don't touch the road in a straight drive.
>>>>
>>>>Scalloping is due to bad balance or bad shocks.
>>>>
>>> Mike
>>> Any recommendations for new shocks on an un lifted 2000 wrangler sport
>>> that spends most of it's time on the street?
>>> Joe Carroll
>>>
>>
>> I can reccoments shocks NOT to get. Do not get Gas filled shocks.
>
>
#45
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Re: Tire Pressure
Doesch Tech and Bilstein, to name two. Rancho makes a hydraulic shock too.
That's three.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:82685$434459bc$d8449845$3942@FUSE.NET...
> Who make the old style (non pressurized) shocks?
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:wcednaKkOcyD0tneRVn-iA@ez2.net...
>>
>> "Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:1if8k15pci19s3elssj3hovqmlhq3bmagb@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:45:08 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>No. It can just cause more wear in the center of the tire because the
>>>>outside edges don't touch the road in a straight drive.
>>>>
>>>>Scalloping is due to bad balance or bad shocks.
>>>>
>>> Mike
>>> Any recommendations for new shocks on an un lifted 2000 wrangler sport
>>> that spends most of it's time on the street?
>>> Joe Carroll
>>>
>>
>> I can reccoments shocks NOT to get. Do not get Gas filled shocks.
>
>
That's three.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:82685$434459bc$d8449845$3942@FUSE.NET...
> Who make the old style (non pressurized) shocks?
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:wcednaKkOcyD0tneRVn-iA@ez2.net...
>>
>> "Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:1if8k15pci19s3elssj3hovqmlhq3bmagb@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:45:08 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>No. It can just cause more wear in the center of the tire because the
>>>>outside edges don't touch the road in a straight drive.
>>>>
>>>>Scalloping is due to bad balance or bad shocks.
>>>>
>>> Mike
>>> Any recommendations for new shocks on an un lifted 2000 wrangler sport
>>> that spends most of it's time on the street?
>>> Joe Carroll
>>>
>>
>> I can reccoments shocks NOT to get. Do not get Gas filled shocks.
>
>
#46
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Re: Tire Pressure
Doesch Tech and Bilstein, to name two. Rancho makes a hydraulic shock too.
That's three.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:82685$434459bc$d8449845$3942@FUSE.NET...
> Who make the old style (non pressurized) shocks?
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:wcednaKkOcyD0tneRVn-iA@ez2.net...
>>
>> "Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:1if8k15pci19s3elssj3hovqmlhq3bmagb@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:45:08 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>No. It can just cause more wear in the center of the tire because the
>>>>outside edges don't touch the road in a straight drive.
>>>>
>>>>Scalloping is due to bad balance or bad shocks.
>>>>
>>> Mike
>>> Any recommendations for new shocks on an un lifted 2000 wrangler sport
>>> that spends most of it's time on the street?
>>> Joe Carroll
>>>
>>
>> I can reccoments shocks NOT to get. Do not get Gas filled shocks.
>
>
That's three.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:82685$434459bc$d8449845$3942@FUSE.NET...
> Who make the old style (non pressurized) shocks?
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:wcednaKkOcyD0tneRVn-iA@ez2.net...
>>
>> "Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:1if8k15pci19s3elssj3hovqmlhq3bmagb@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:45:08 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>No. It can just cause more wear in the center of the tire because the
>>>>outside edges don't touch the road in a straight drive.
>>>>
>>>>Scalloping is due to bad balance or bad shocks.
>>>>
>>> Mike
>>> Any recommendations for new shocks on an un lifted 2000 wrangler sport
>>> that spends most of it's time on the street?
>>> Joe Carroll
>>>
>>
>> I can reccoments shocks NOT to get. Do not get Gas filled shocks.
>
>
#47
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Re: Tire Pressure
Any good alignment shop or frame shop should be able to do it. They make
sure the front wheels align with the rear wheels and the frame. Some frames
are bent/warped right out of the box, and the owners fight tire wear
problems until it is straightened hydraulically. This is what they should
routinely do after an accident. But it should be done if you have oversized
tires or a lift. There is a lot more to proper alignment than toe-in/out,
and I would assume there would have to be ways to adjust caster, camber,
etc. on your vehicle. If not, get used to tire wear with anything other than
stock tire sizes.
"Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:mgr8k1dsb5fuv9p6blbputtm81jtsjsmcq@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:37:15 -0400, "Dana Rohleder"
> <boreal@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I
>>would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the
>>physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front
>>suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent
>>frame.
>
> Ok, how do I get a complete 4 wheel alignment on a 2000 TJ when the
> only setting to work on is the toe_in?
> Joe Carroll
>
> 2K-TJ
>
> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> Joseph Duemer
sure the front wheels align with the rear wheels and the frame. Some frames
are bent/warped right out of the box, and the owners fight tire wear
problems until it is straightened hydraulically. This is what they should
routinely do after an accident. But it should be done if you have oversized
tires or a lift. There is a lot more to proper alignment than toe-in/out,
and I would assume there would have to be ways to adjust caster, camber,
etc. on your vehicle. If not, get used to tire wear with anything other than
stock tire sizes.
"Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:mgr8k1dsb5fuv9p6blbputtm81jtsjsmcq@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:37:15 -0400, "Dana Rohleder"
> <boreal@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I
>>would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the
>>physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front
>>suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent
>>frame.
>
> Ok, how do I get a complete 4 wheel alignment on a 2000 TJ when the
> only setting to work on is the toe_in?
> Joe Carroll
>
> 2K-TJ
>
> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> Joseph Duemer
#48
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Re: Tire Pressure
Any good alignment shop or frame shop should be able to do it. They make
sure the front wheels align with the rear wheels and the frame. Some frames
are bent/warped right out of the box, and the owners fight tire wear
problems until it is straightened hydraulically. This is what they should
routinely do after an accident. But it should be done if you have oversized
tires or a lift. There is a lot more to proper alignment than toe-in/out,
and I would assume there would have to be ways to adjust caster, camber,
etc. on your vehicle. If not, get used to tire wear with anything other than
stock tire sizes.
"Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:mgr8k1dsb5fuv9p6blbputtm81jtsjsmcq@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:37:15 -0400, "Dana Rohleder"
> <boreal@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I
>>would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the
>>physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front
>>suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent
>>frame.
>
> Ok, how do I get a complete 4 wheel alignment on a 2000 TJ when the
> only setting to work on is the toe_in?
> Joe Carroll
>
> 2K-TJ
>
> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> Joseph Duemer
sure the front wheels align with the rear wheels and the frame. Some frames
are bent/warped right out of the box, and the owners fight tire wear
problems until it is straightened hydraulically. This is what they should
routinely do after an accident. But it should be done if you have oversized
tires or a lift. There is a lot more to proper alignment than toe-in/out,
and I would assume there would have to be ways to adjust caster, camber,
etc. on your vehicle. If not, get used to tire wear with anything other than
stock tire sizes.
"Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:mgr8k1dsb5fuv9p6blbputtm81jtsjsmcq@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:37:15 -0400, "Dana Rohleder"
> <boreal@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I
>>would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the
>>physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front
>>suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent
>>frame.
>
> Ok, how do I get a complete 4 wheel alignment on a 2000 TJ when the
> only setting to work on is the toe_in?
> Joe Carroll
>
> 2K-TJ
>
> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> Joseph Duemer
#49
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Re: Tire Pressure
Any good alignment shop or frame shop should be able to do it. They make
sure the front wheels align with the rear wheels and the frame. Some frames
are bent/warped right out of the box, and the owners fight tire wear
problems until it is straightened hydraulically. This is what they should
routinely do after an accident. But it should be done if you have oversized
tires or a lift. There is a lot more to proper alignment than toe-in/out,
and I would assume there would have to be ways to adjust caster, camber,
etc. on your vehicle. If not, get used to tire wear with anything other than
stock tire sizes.
"Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:mgr8k1dsb5fuv9p6blbputtm81jtsjsmcq@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:37:15 -0400, "Dana Rohleder"
> <boreal@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I
>>would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the
>>physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front
>>suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent
>>frame.
>
> Ok, how do I get a complete 4 wheel alignment on a 2000 TJ when the
> only setting to work on is the toe_in?
> Joe Carroll
>
> 2K-TJ
>
> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> Joseph Duemer
sure the front wheels align with the rear wheels and the frame. Some frames
are bent/warped right out of the box, and the owners fight tire wear
problems until it is straightened hydraulically. This is what they should
routinely do after an accident. But it should be done if you have oversized
tires or a lift. There is a lot more to proper alignment than toe-in/out,
and I would assume there would have to be ways to adjust caster, camber,
etc. on your vehicle. If not, get used to tire wear with anything other than
stock tire sizes.
"Joe Carroll" <jdcarroll2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:mgr8k1dsb5fuv9p6blbputtm81jtsjsmcq@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:37:15 -0400, "Dana Rohleder"
> <boreal@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>FWIW, I have Dueler Revos on both my XJ & YJ, and they are quite quiet. I
>>would recommend a complete 4 wheel alignment since you have altered the
>>physics of the suspension with oversize tires. Bad ball joints and front
>>suspension parts can also cause cupping and feathering, as well as a bent
>>frame.
>
> Ok, how do I get a complete 4 wheel alignment on a 2000 TJ when the
> only setting to work on is the toe_in?
> Joe Carroll
>
> 2K-TJ
>
> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> Joseph Duemer
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