"B a r r y" <keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@thankyou.com> wrote in message
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: KJ.Kate wrote:
: >
: > Yea, but the rest of us had fun with it :)
: >
:
: In my area, the Lib is a.k.a. the 4WD Jetta, due to the typical owner's
: driving habits.

Well, I feel the same way about mini vans, soccer moms in huge SUVs wh cant
drive worth a ---- and people yapping on their cell phones.
It's the driver, not the rig.

KJK
2O||||||O5 Liberty

 

"B a r r y" <keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@thankyou.com> wrote in message
news:mvv7f.2215$Y61.552@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com ...
: KJ.Kate wrote:
: >
: > Yea, but the rest of us had fun with it :)
: >
:
: In my area, the Lib is a.k.a. the 4WD Jetta, due to the typical owner's
: driving habits.

Well, I feel the same way about mini vans, soccer moms in huge SUVs wh cant
drive worth a ---- and people yapping on their cell phones.
It's the driver, not the rig.

KJK
2O||||||O5 Liberty

 

Note the qualifier "all things being equal."

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:VIKdnSApVLZiEsPeRVn-gA@comcast.com...
> : Point taken, but all things being equal diesels tend to have better
> MPG's,
> : that's one reason passenger car diesels are so popular in Europe.
>
>
> My truck gets the same mileage as my Liberty
> 7.3 turbostroke diesel compared to a 3.7 V6 gasser....
>
> KJK
>
>

 

Note the qualifier "all things being equal."

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:VIKdnSApVLZiEsPeRVn-gA@comcast.com...
> : Point taken, but all things being equal diesels tend to have better
> MPG's,
> : that's one reason passenger car diesels are so popular in Europe.
>
>
> My truck gets the same mileage as my Liberty
> 7.3 turbostroke diesel compared to a 3.7 V6 gasser....
>
> KJK
>
>

 

Note the qualifier "all things being equal."

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:VIKdnSApVLZiEsPeRVn-gA@comcast.com...
> : Point taken, but all things being equal diesels tend to have better
> MPG's,
> : that's one reason passenger car diesels are so popular in Europe.
>
>
> My truck gets the same mileage as my Liberty
> 7.3 turbostroke diesel compared to a 3.7 V6 gasser....
>
> KJK
>
>

 

I'd guess my 6.8L gasser gets less MPG than your powerstroke...

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:VIKdnSApVLZiEsPeRVn-gA@comcast.com...
> : Point taken, but all things being equal diesels tend to have better
> MPG's,
> : that's one reason passenger car diesels are so popular in Europe.
>
>
> My truck gets the same mileage as my Liberty
> 7.3 turbostroke diesel compared to a 3.7 V6 gasser....
>
> KJK
>
>

 

I'd guess my 6.8L gasser gets less MPG than your powerstroke...

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:Nfw7f.7878$ty1.7128@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:VIKdnSApVLZiEsPeRVn-gA@comcast.com...
> : Point taken, but all things being equal diesels tend to have better
> MPG's,
> : that's one reason passenger car diesels are so popular in Europe.
>
>
> My truck gets the same mileage as my Liberty
> 7.3 turbostroke diesel compared to a 3.7 V6 gasser....
>
> KJK
>
>

 

I'd guess my 6.8L gasser gets less MPG than your powerstroke...

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:Nfw7f.7878$ty1.7128@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:VIKdnSApVLZiEsPeRVn-gA@comcast.com...
> : Point taken, but all things being equal diesels tend to have better
> MPG's,
> : that's one reason passenger car diesels are so popular in Europe.
>
>
> My truck gets the same mileage as my Liberty
> 7.3 turbostroke diesel compared to a 3.7 V6 gasser....
>
> KJK
>
>

 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Right, and my point was people remember this, and assume modern passenger
> car diesels are the same GM abortions of the 80's.
>
> the failure rate of GM's engines ruined the reputation of
> > Diesel engines in general in the United States market.


No. Contrary to opinion they didn't.

Even the first of the Olds 350 diesels usually went a hundred thousand
miles before they died, unless blatant owner ignorance killed them. By
the time the last 5.7 diesels, as they were then, were made, they were
a surprisingly durable engine. If you didn't "turn them up" as diesels
and if you kept the oil clean they would go longer than the chasssis
they came in except in sunny California.

GM was irresponsible in that they marketed the diesel to unsuitable
owner groups and also spent their budget consumerizing the diesel
instead of ruggedizing the engine. They also failed to put in
diesel-class filters and electrics.

They would have been far ahead to use a foreign engine such as an
Isuzu or GM Bedford Diesel and target limited markets at first. But no,
they wanted a splash.

The real anti-diesel forces in the USA are the car dealers. They hate
diesel, and all alternative fuels, because they "restrict inventory".
They are why Ford has had such tough sledding with its alt-fuel
programs.

 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Right, and my point was people remember this, and assume modern passenger
> car diesels are the same GM abortions of the 80's.
>
> the failure rate of GM's engines ruined the reputation of
> > Diesel engines in general in the United States market.


No. Contrary to opinion they didn't.

Even the first of the Olds 350 diesels usually went a hundred thousand
miles before they died, unless blatant owner ignorance killed them. By
the time the last 5.7 diesels, as they were then, were made, they were
a surprisingly durable engine. If you didn't "turn them up" as diesels
and if you kept the oil clean they would go longer than the chasssis
they came in except in sunny California.

GM was irresponsible in that they marketed the diesel to unsuitable
owner groups and also spent their budget consumerizing the diesel
instead of ruggedizing the engine. They also failed to put in
diesel-class filters and electrics.

They would have been far ahead to use a foreign engine such as an
Isuzu or GM Bedford Diesel and target limited markets at first. But no,
they wanted a splash.

The real anti-diesel forces in the USA are the car dealers. They hate
diesel, and all alternative fuels, because they "restrict inventory".
They are why Ford has had such tough sledding with its alt-fuel
programs.