I dunno Bill... if you follow this thread, you'll see that Mike
removed both rear shocks, stood on one side of the brake drum, and
still couldn't get the spring out. So it wasn't the shock (in stock
configuration anyway) that was the limiting factor. He had to
disconnect the swaybar before he could remove the coil. With my ~2"
coil spacer lift, I'm using the Edelbrock shocks commonly used for a
3" lift.

Dave

On Fri, 07 May 2004 19:37:45 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Not so on the TJ though, it's the shock limits the extension and of
>course you have your bump stop to protect the shock in the collapsed
>position. Most independent suspensions will limit the travel in both
>directions, although the Corvette is kind of primitive with just leather
>straps:
>http://www.dragvette.com/pubimages/s...e5-333-250.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>"David C. Moller" wrote:
>>
>> My understanding is that the shock should never be the limiting
>> factor. Shocks aren't made to withstand the stress of sudden full
>> extension like you would get on a trail run. They'll break. Just like
>> when buying a shock, you're supposed to choose a length that won't
>> reach full compression. Read a real good article detailing how to
>> choose the proper length of shock a couple years back... damned if I
>> can find it now though. :(
>>
>> Dave
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

 

I just took one apart Bill.

The shock does 'not' limit the travel, the anti sway bar does.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Not so on the TJ though, it's the shock limits the extension and of
> course you have your bump stop to protect the shock in the collapsed
> position. Most independent suspensions will limit the travel in both
> directions, although the Corvette is kind of primitive with just leather
> straps:
> http://www.dragvette.com/pubimages/s...e5-333-250.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "David C. Moller" wrote:
> >
> > My understanding is that the shock should never be the limiting
> > factor. Shocks aren't made to withstand the stress of sudden full
> > extension like you would get on a trail run. They'll break. Just like
> > when buying a shock, you're supposed to choose a length that won't
> > reach full compression. Read a real good article detailing how to
> > choose the proper length of shock a couple years back... damned if I
> > can find it now though. :(
> >
> > Dave
> > http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

 

I just took one apart Bill.

The shock does 'not' limit the travel, the anti sway bar does.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Not so on the TJ though, it's the shock limits the extension and of
> course you have your bump stop to protect the shock in the collapsed
> position. Most independent suspensions will limit the travel in both
> directions, although the Corvette is kind of primitive with just leather
> straps:
> http://www.dragvette.com/pubimages/s...e5-333-250.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "David C. Moller" wrote:
> >
> > My understanding is that the shock should never be the limiting
> > factor. Shocks aren't made to withstand the stress of sudden full
> > extension like you would get on a trail run. They'll break. Just like
> > when buying a shock, you're supposed to choose a length that won't
> > reach full compression. Read a real good article detailing how to
> > choose the proper length of shock a couple years back... damned if I
> > can find it now though. :(
> >
> > Dave
> > http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

 

I just took one apart Bill.

The shock does 'not' limit the travel, the anti sway bar does.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Not so on the TJ though, it's the shock limits the extension and of
> course you have your bump stop to protect the shock in the collapsed
> position. Most independent suspensions will limit the travel in both
> directions, although the Corvette is kind of primitive with just leather
> straps:
> http://www.dragvette.com/pubimages/s...e5-333-250.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "David C. Moller" wrote:
> >
> > My understanding is that the shock should never be the limiting
> > factor. Shocks aren't made to withstand the stress of sudden full
> > extension like you would get on a trail run. They'll break. Just like
> > when buying a shock, you're supposed to choose a length that won't
> > reach full compression. Read a real good article detailing how to
> > choose the proper length of shock a couple years back... damned if I
> > can find it now though. :(
> >
> > Dave
> > http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

 

I just took one apart Bill.

The shock does 'not' limit the travel, the anti sway bar does.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Not so on the TJ though, it's the shock limits the extension and of
> course you have your bump stop to protect the shock in the collapsed
> position. Most independent suspensions will limit the travel in both
> directions, although the Corvette is kind of primitive with just leather
> straps:
> http://www.dragvette.com/pubimages/s...e5-333-250.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "David C. Moller" wrote:
> >
> > My understanding is that the shock should never be the limiting
> > factor. Shocks aren't made to withstand the stress of sudden full
> > extension like you would get on a trail run. They'll break. Just like
> > when buying a shock, you're supposed to choose a length that won't
> > reach full compression. Read a real good article detailing how to
> > choose the proper length of shock a couple years back... damned if I
> > can find it now though. :(
> >
> > Dave
> > http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

 

You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.

Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.

Ok, figure your tire and rim weigh in at say 100 lb. Now figure the
axle and differential weigh in at say 200 lb on the one half.

Now figure you are doing 30 mph and that 300 lb. gets tossed down hard
to it's limit repeatedly as you baja across an old washboard air strip
going airborne off each bump.

How long do you think a 3/8" pin will last having this 300 lb weight
hitting it at high speed? Crap, even cut my numbers in half and call it
150 lb of weight at 15 mph.

OK, so when I pulled the bolt out of the anti sway bar, the axle dropped
another inch or two before the already loose shock came out of it's
holder.

When I put it back together, the shock bolted in 4" lower than when I
got it up high enough to bolt the anti-sway bar back in.

And, you can go back up this thread and read my other post about what
'kind' of shock lift you need according to the 'kind' of lift as I don't
feel like repeating it.

Mike

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409C0CE2.EDCC3E5E@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are right, that didn't come out right...
> >
> > The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on
> > the drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
> >
> > When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
> > lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
> > go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
>
> I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying. When you unbolted
> the shocks, did they extend any farther out or were they already at the
> limit of their travel?
>
> > Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
> >
> > Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
> > are.
>
> As the limit for bottoming (compression) the suspension, you are right,
> and that is why they use a bump stop as the limiter. But as the droop
> limiter the shock wouldn't be subjected to the same violent forces. Let
> me put it this way, if the swaybar was the limiter, what would be the
> point of installing longer shocks with a suspension lift?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

 

You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.

Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.

Ok, figure your tire and rim weigh in at say 100 lb. Now figure the
axle and differential weigh in at say 200 lb on the one half.

Now figure you are doing 30 mph and that 300 lb. gets tossed down hard
to it's limit repeatedly as you baja across an old washboard air strip
going airborne off each bump.

How long do you think a 3/8" pin will last having this 300 lb weight
hitting it at high speed? Crap, even cut my numbers in half and call it
150 lb of weight at 15 mph.

OK, so when I pulled the bolt out of the anti sway bar, the axle dropped
another inch or two before the already loose shock came out of it's
holder.

When I put it back together, the shock bolted in 4" lower than when I
got it up high enough to bolt the anti-sway bar back in.

And, you can go back up this thread and read my other post about what
'kind' of shock lift you need according to the 'kind' of lift as I don't
feel like repeating it.

Mike

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409C0CE2.EDCC3E5E@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are right, that didn't come out right...
> >
> > The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on
> > the drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
> >
> > When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
> > lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
> > go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
>
> I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying. When you unbolted
> the shocks, did they extend any farther out or were they already at the
> limit of their travel?
>
> > Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
> >
> > Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
> > are.
>
> As the limit for bottoming (compression) the suspension, you are right,
> and that is why they use a bump stop as the limiter. But as the droop
> limiter the shock wouldn't be subjected to the same violent forces. Let
> me put it this way, if the swaybar was the limiter, what would be the
> point of installing longer shocks with a suspension lift?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

 

You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.

Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.

Ok, figure your tire and rim weigh in at say 100 lb. Now figure the
axle and differential weigh in at say 200 lb on the one half.

Now figure you are doing 30 mph and that 300 lb. gets tossed down hard
to it's limit repeatedly as you baja across an old washboard air strip
going airborne off each bump.

How long do you think a 3/8" pin will last having this 300 lb weight
hitting it at high speed? Crap, even cut my numbers in half and call it
150 lb of weight at 15 mph.

OK, so when I pulled the bolt out of the anti sway bar, the axle dropped
another inch or two before the already loose shock came out of it's
holder.

When I put it back together, the shock bolted in 4" lower than when I
got it up high enough to bolt the anti-sway bar back in.

And, you can go back up this thread and read my other post about what
'kind' of shock lift you need according to the 'kind' of lift as I don't
feel like repeating it.

Mike

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409C0CE2.EDCC3E5E@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are right, that didn't come out right...
> >
> > The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on
> > the drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
> >
> > When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
> > lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
> > go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
>
> I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying. When you unbolted
> the shocks, did they extend any farther out or were they already at the
> limit of their travel?
>
> > Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
> >
> > Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
> > are.
>
> As the limit for bottoming (compression) the suspension, you are right,
> and that is why they use a bump stop as the limiter. But as the droop
> limiter the shock wouldn't be subjected to the same violent forces. Let
> me put it this way, if the swaybar was the limiter, what would be the
> point of installing longer shocks with a suspension lift?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

 

You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.

Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.

Ok, figure your tire and rim weigh in at say 100 lb. Now figure the
axle and differential weigh in at say 200 lb on the one half.

Now figure you are doing 30 mph and that 300 lb. gets tossed down hard
to it's limit repeatedly as you baja across an old washboard air strip
going airborne off each bump.

How long do you think a 3/8" pin will last having this 300 lb weight
hitting it at high speed? Crap, even cut my numbers in half and call it
150 lb of weight at 15 mph.

OK, so when I pulled the bolt out of the anti sway bar, the axle dropped
another inch or two before the already loose shock came out of it's
holder.

When I put it back together, the shock bolted in 4" lower than when I
got it up high enough to bolt the anti-sway bar back in.

And, you can go back up this thread and read my other post about what
'kind' of shock lift you need according to the 'kind' of lift as I don't
feel like repeating it.

Mike

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409C0CE2.EDCC3E5E@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are right, that didn't come out right...
> >
> > The shock stayed stuffed in the bracket with the jack off and us on
> > the drum. It was gas charged and easy to put back though.
> >
> > When I put it back in, it's bolt slipped in with the axle still 'Way'
> > lower than where it had to be when I slipped the bar pin in. I had to
> > go up until the body started lifting before the bolt would line up.
>
> I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying. When you unbolted
> the shocks, did they extend any farther out or were they already at the
> limit of their travel?
>
> > Del, having the shock as the limit makes no sense.
> >
> > Shocks aren't designed for impact, look at how small the shock pins
> > are.
>
> As the limit for bottoming (compression) the suspension, you are right,
> and that is why they use a bump stop as the limiter. But as the droop
> limiter the shock wouldn't be subjected to the same violent forces. Let
> me put it this way, if the swaybar was the limiter, what would be the
> point of installing longer shocks with a suspension lift?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

 

In the absence of the shock absorber.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I just took one apart Bill.
>
> The shock does 'not' limit the travel, the anti sway bar does.
>
> Mike