Re: Terrain puzzlement
 

At least one locker would really help with this stuff. Worst stuff I ever
got into was back East on a popular pipeline run in Mahwah, NJ. The State
had dumped tons of blast rubble down a hillside along the trail and we'd
always try out new stuff by seeing if we could get up the stuff. It was
either winch it, or lock up & pray. Sure was fun.


"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:S2qdnWDRsM363NOiXTWJkA@comcast.com...
> Approximately 8/27/03 23:14, EdC uttered for posterity:
>
> > I ran into a piece of road that beat me last weekend. Turned out to be a
> > wrong turn so I got to where I was going but I'm hoping someone knows
> > something about tackling simiar stuff.
> > It was a mountain pass outside of Las Vegas and was a well defined road
on
> > a grade somewhere between 4 to 6 percent. The killer part is that it is
> > DEEP golfball to baseball size LOOSE rock. I could not get any momentum
> > built up. It was like driving on ball bearings. I thought about airing
> > down but wasn't convinced it would have helped. Slow and careful didn't
> > work either. I've got 33in Wranglers all the way around. No lockers yet
> > although there were other parts of the day that pushed that upgrade
higher
> > on the priority list.
> > Is this kind of turf drivable (HOW?) or is it winch time?
> >
> Heh. The worst of that stuff is river polished rock that is really
> close to round. Only ways I've ever traversed it is to keep enough
> momentum that you more or less float on top of it. Or if there
> is a path that allows you to keep one side *off* the stuff. Or
> wait until it gets ground into the mud a bit. Can't imagine airing
> down would help, although the places I used to run into it were
> logging trails, where a big logging truck had little difficulty
> navigating...perhaps enough weight to get the marbles to stay
> still.
>

Re: Terrain puzzlement
 

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:36:56 UTC Jeepers <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net>
wrote:

> In article <JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-dc5eSndTlO4z@anon.none.net>,
> "Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > That brings back memories! When the Amistad Dam was finished (Del
> > Rio, TX on the Rio Grande) they took out a bridge across a river
> > feeding into it. It was a wide, shallow river with good flow about 12
> > inches deep. When they blew the bridge they made a quick trip to a
> > place I used into a 50 mile detour so we all decided to just ford the
> > river just above the old bridge. The river was a good 150 yards wide
> > there with what looked like a rock bottom - no problem. Turned out
> > that "rock bottom" consisted of bowling balls. Add the constant water
> > flow to lubricate them and that turned the 150 yards into the
> > damnedest level obstical I ever saw. I think the only thing that ever
> > made it across unassisted was a cat - nothing with wheels.
> > Fortunately, it was easy enough to pull the venturesome souls out as
> > long as at least one vehicle kept it's feet dry so we all had to try
> > it a few times.
>
> When was that?

1967 or 68, I think - whatever year they closed the locks to start
filling it. I spent nearly 5 years in lovely Del Rio surviving
student pilots. They figured 20 years to fill Amistad but heavy snows
and rain upstream had the water coming up 16-18 inches a day and
flooded the old Lake Walk and Devils Lake withing the year. They blew
the old hwy 90 bridge but people kept driving the old highway and
winding up in the lake because it was coming up so fast. Great Bass
fishing!

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Re: Terrain puzzlement
 

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:36:56 UTC Jeepers <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net>
wrote:

> In article <JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-dc5eSndTlO4z@anon.none.net>,
> "Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > That brings back memories! When the Amistad Dam was finished (Del
> > Rio, TX on the Rio Grande) they took out a bridge across a river
> > feeding into it. It was a wide, shallow river with good flow about 12
> > inches deep. When they blew the bridge they made a quick trip to a
> > place I used into a 50 mile detour so we all decided to just ford the
> > river just above the old bridge. The river was a good 150 yards wide
> > there with what looked like a rock bottom - no problem. Turned out
> > that "rock bottom" consisted of bowling balls. Add the constant water
> > flow to lubricate them and that turned the 150 yards into the
> > damnedest level obstical I ever saw. I think the only thing that ever
> > made it across unassisted was a cat - nothing with wheels.
> > Fortunately, it was easy enough to pull the venturesome souls out as
> > long as at least one vehicle kept it's feet dry so we all had to try
> > it a few times.
>
> When was that?

1967 or 68, I think - whatever year they closed the locks to start
filling it. I spent nearly 5 years in lovely Del Rio surviving
student pilots. They figured 20 years to fill Amistad but heavy snows
and rain upstream had the water coming up 16-18 inches a day and
flooded the old Lake Walk and Devils Lake withing the year. They blew
the old hwy 90 bridge but people kept driving the old highway and
winding up in the lake because it was coming up so fast. Great Bass
fishing!

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Re: Terrain puzzlement
 

Well, ya'll made me feel a little better about my defeat. I've NEVER been
so glad to realize I took a wrong turn. My guess is it looked so
trafficked because of ATVs. I'm sure they're light enough to "float" on
top of the rocks. Gotta get the rear lockers!

--
Ed in Vegas, '94 YJ
Son (Robert) in Vegas '92 YJ
Desert J**p'n site coming soon!
To email me lose the 6 and the 3

Re: Terrain puzzlement
 

Well, ya'll made me feel a little better about my defeat. I've NEVER been
so glad to realize I took a wrong turn. My guess is it looked so
trafficked because of ATVs. I'm sure they're light enough to "float" on
top of the rocks. Gotta get the rear lockers!

--
Ed in Vegas, '94 YJ
Son (Robert) in Vegas '92 YJ
Desert J**p'n site coming soon!
To email me lose the 6 and the 3

Re: Terrain puzzlement
 

Approximately 8/28/03 23:12, EdC uttered for posterity:

> Well, ya'll made me feel a little better about my defeat. I've NEVER been
> so glad to realize I took a wrong turn. My guess is it looked so
> trafficked because of ATVs. I'm sure they're light enough to "float" on
> top of the rocks. Gotta get the rear lockers!
>
.... or a bag or two of quickset cement. Which around Vegas
is reasonably close to being the local alkali flat that it
would work as well.

Wonder why they put the marbles there and just left them. Around
Utah, the marbles were usually laid down during the muck season,
then driven over with a heavy vehicle enough to more or less
hold them in place for normal non-tactical vehicles to traverse.

Re: Terrain puzzlement
 

Approximately 8/28/03 23:12, EdC uttered for posterity:

> Well, ya'll made me feel a little better about my defeat. I've NEVER been
> so glad to realize I took a wrong turn. My guess is it looked so
> trafficked because of ATVs. I'm sure they're light enough to "float" on
> top of the rocks. Gotta get the rear lockers!
>
.... or a bag or two of quickset cement. Which around Vegas
is reasonably close to being the local alkali flat that it
would work as well.

Wonder why they put the marbles there and just left them. Around
Utah, the marbles were usually laid down during the muck season,
then driven over with a heavy vehicle enough to more or less
hold them in place for normal non-tactical vehicles to traverse.