T5 to T4 swap
#21
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Re: T5 to T4 swap
I searched LONG AND HARD for a clutch that would work. i even checked
the online centerforce catalog the other day which covered every darn
make/model/and year back to ~1950 (there is over 1000 lines in the
excel file). i checked a few friends that are all around pretty sharp
on all autos, and they never heard of such a setup either. I read a
reply from my similar post on CJ8.com and found someone who was
running this setup, but he bought his 8 that way, and when his clutch
died, he had to rebuild the disc. Basically i found i was S.O.L.
Onlyinajeepcj7: do you know what make/model disc your buddy used ? i
am only curious at this point, since i have decided to move forwardin
another route.
i wasn't about to run a bastard clutch setup. jeeps are great because
they're CHEAP. the 10 spline clutch kit was ~$100 new. So the 14
spline T4 is down the road (even trade) and i am awaiting a ten spline
T5 to show up at my house.
on the brighter side, now i have 5th gear again (though the gearing in
my rear axle keeps me from really using it on the highway).
I can't wait to get my toy back on the road again. it's been an
agonizing 4 weeks since this little "weekend" project began. i hate it
when my damn job gets in the way of my toy.
Thanks for the help.
-brian
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:59:11 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> There is no such thing as a 10 1/2" with a puny 1", 14 spline.
>Check Centerforce's inventory:
>http://media.centerforce.com/Catalog/2003catalogw.pdf A picture of an
>8-1/2" x 1" x 14: http://www.mazdasurplus.com/images/CP81019.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Onlyinajeepcj7 wrote:
>>
>> What are you talking about? Make a disc?? The auto parts store (O'Rilley) sells
>> pressure plates, disc only, or the kits. We matched up the correct disc
>> matching the thickness, material, brand, and outside diameter. The only
>> difference was that it was 14 spline and not the 10 spline....We figured that
>> the previous owner had swaped in a junkyard transmission (a 4 cyl unit). Also,
>> jeeps run at low RPM's (under 3K) while a Corvette is high rpm and a fiberglass
>> floor....
>> The combo we used worked fine and has not given him any problems.
the online centerforce catalog the other day which covered every darn
make/model/and year back to ~1950 (there is over 1000 lines in the
excel file). i checked a few friends that are all around pretty sharp
on all autos, and they never heard of such a setup either. I read a
reply from my similar post on CJ8.com and found someone who was
running this setup, but he bought his 8 that way, and when his clutch
died, he had to rebuild the disc. Basically i found i was S.O.L.
Onlyinajeepcj7: do you know what make/model disc your buddy used ? i
am only curious at this point, since i have decided to move forwardin
another route.
i wasn't about to run a bastard clutch setup. jeeps are great because
they're CHEAP. the 10 spline clutch kit was ~$100 new. So the 14
spline T4 is down the road (even trade) and i am awaiting a ten spline
T5 to show up at my house.
on the brighter side, now i have 5th gear again (though the gearing in
my rear axle keeps me from really using it on the highway).
I can't wait to get my toy back on the road again. it's been an
agonizing 4 weeks since this little "weekend" project began. i hate it
when my damn job gets in the way of my toy.
Thanks for the help.
-brian
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:59:11 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> There is no such thing as a 10 1/2" with a puny 1", 14 spline.
>Check Centerforce's inventory:
>http://media.centerforce.com/Catalog/2003catalogw.pdf A picture of an
>8-1/2" x 1" x 14: http://www.mazdasurplus.com/images/CP81019.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Onlyinajeepcj7 wrote:
>>
>> What are you talking about? Make a disc?? The auto parts store (O'Rilley) sells
>> pressure plates, disc only, or the kits. We matched up the correct disc
>> matching the thickness, material, brand, and outside diameter. The only
>> difference was that it was 14 spline and not the 10 spline....We figured that
>> the previous owner had swaped in a junkyard transmission (a 4 cyl unit). Also,
>> jeeps run at low RPM's (under 3K) while a Corvette is high rpm and a fiberglass
>> floor....
>> The combo we used worked fine and has not given him any problems.
#22
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Posts: n/a
Re: T5 to T4 swap
I searched LONG AND HARD for a clutch that would work. i even checked
the online centerforce catalog the other day which covered every darn
make/model/and year back to ~1950 (there is over 1000 lines in the
excel file). i checked a few friends that are all around pretty sharp
on all autos, and they never heard of such a setup either. I read a
reply from my similar post on CJ8.com and found someone who was
running this setup, but he bought his 8 that way, and when his clutch
died, he had to rebuild the disc. Basically i found i was S.O.L.
Onlyinajeepcj7: do you know what make/model disc your buddy used ? i
am only curious at this point, since i have decided to move forwardin
another route.
i wasn't about to run a bastard clutch setup. jeeps are great because
they're CHEAP. the 10 spline clutch kit was ~$100 new. So the 14
spline T4 is down the road (even trade) and i am awaiting a ten spline
T5 to show up at my house.
on the brighter side, now i have 5th gear again (though the gearing in
my rear axle keeps me from really using it on the highway).
I can't wait to get my toy back on the road again. it's been an
agonizing 4 weeks since this little "weekend" project began. i hate it
when my damn job gets in the way of my toy.
Thanks for the help.
-brian
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:59:11 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> There is no such thing as a 10 1/2" with a puny 1", 14 spline.
>Check Centerforce's inventory:
>http://media.centerforce.com/Catalog/2003catalogw.pdf A picture of an
>8-1/2" x 1" x 14: http://www.mazdasurplus.com/images/CP81019.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Onlyinajeepcj7 wrote:
>>
>> What are you talking about? Make a disc?? The auto parts store (O'Rilley) sells
>> pressure plates, disc only, or the kits. We matched up the correct disc
>> matching the thickness, material, brand, and outside diameter. The only
>> difference was that it was 14 spline and not the 10 spline....We figured that
>> the previous owner had swaped in a junkyard transmission (a 4 cyl unit). Also,
>> jeeps run at low RPM's (under 3K) while a Corvette is high rpm and a fiberglass
>> floor....
>> The combo we used worked fine and has not given him any problems.
the online centerforce catalog the other day which covered every darn
make/model/and year back to ~1950 (there is over 1000 lines in the
excel file). i checked a few friends that are all around pretty sharp
on all autos, and they never heard of such a setup either. I read a
reply from my similar post on CJ8.com and found someone who was
running this setup, but he bought his 8 that way, and when his clutch
died, he had to rebuild the disc. Basically i found i was S.O.L.
Onlyinajeepcj7: do you know what make/model disc your buddy used ? i
am only curious at this point, since i have decided to move forwardin
another route.
i wasn't about to run a bastard clutch setup. jeeps are great because
they're CHEAP. the 10 spline clutch kit was ~$100 new. So the 14
spline T4 is down the road (even trade) and i am awaiting a ten spline
T5 to show up at my house.
on the brighter side, now i have 5th gear again (though the gearing in
my rear axle keeps me from really using it on the highway).
I can't wait to get my toy back on the road again. it's been an
agonizing 4 weeks since this little "weekend" project began. i hate it
when my damn job gets in the way of my toy.
Thanks for the help.
-brian
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:59:11 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> There is no such thing as a 10 1/2" with a puny 1", 14 spline.
>Check Centerforce's inventory:
>http://media.centerforce.com/Catalog/2003catalogw.pdf A picture of an
>8-1/2" x 1" x 14: http://www.mazdasurplus.com/images/CP81019.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Onlyinajeepcj7 wrote:
>>
>> What are you talking about? Make a disc?? The auto parts store (O'Rilley) sells
>> pressure plates, disc only, or the kits. We matched up the correct disc
>> matching the thickness, material, brand, and outside diameter. The only
>> difference was that it was 14 spline and not the 10 spline....We figured that
>> the previous owner had swaped in a junkyard transmission (a 4 cyl unit). Also,
>> jeeps run at low RPM's (under 3K) while a Corvette is high rpm and a fiberglass
>> floor....
>> The combo we used worked fine and has not given him any problems.
#23
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Posts: n/a
Re: T5 to T4 swap
Brian,
I have been thinking about this for a while, and then I remembered that the
old Direct Connection (Dodge) performance manual said it was OK to run a
10.5" disc with an 11" pressure plate. I agree yours probably isn't the
optimum setup, but it can be done. I did find a 9-11/16" disc with that
spline on it, which would leave about 3/8" per side of overlap on the
pressure plate. For the most part, the loss of friction area can be
compensated for by a slightly stronger pressure plate. I don't know the
dimension of the "ring" of the pressure plate that contacts the disc, but
given that information we could figure out the required increase in pressure
needed to obtain approximately the same holding force. This is the basic
concept with the clutches used in oval track racing. There are clutches used
there that are only 5.5" in diameter, but with very high pressure plate
pressures. The main reason for this is to reduce rotating weight and inertia
for quicker acceleration/deceleration. This concept works in 500+ horsepower
applications with a 2800 pound car. Also remember that these cars are under
full power when they are accelerating and have approximately 10" wide racing
tires that grip like the jaws of death. So if this is something you really
want to do, it CAN be done with a little research and common sense.
Chris
"hammertime" <brs3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:igmlqvsddsaebe4urvlbr8d8uvqcmp5s78@4ax.com...
> I searched LONG AND HARD for a clutch that would work. i even checked
> the online centerforce catalog the other day which covered every darn
> make/model/and year back to ~1950 (there is over 1000 lines in the
> excel file). i checked a few friends that are all around pretty sharp
> on all autos, and they never heard of such a setup either. I read a
> reply from my similar post on CJ8.com and found someone who was
> running this setup, but he bought his 8 that way, and when his clutch
> died, he had to rebuild the disc. Basically i found i was S.O.L.
>
> Onlyinajeepcj7: do you know what make/model disc your buddy used ? i
> am only curious at this point, since i have decided to move forwardin
> another route.
>
> i wasn't about to run a bastard clutch setup. jeeps are great because
> they're CHEAP. the 10 spline clutch kit was ~$100 new. So the 14
> spline T4 is down the road (even trade) and i am awaiting a ten spline
> T5 to show up at my house.
>
> on the brighter side, now i have 5th gear again (though the gearing in
> my rear axle keeps me from really using it on the highway).
>
> I can't wait to get my toy back on the road again. it's been an
> agonizing 4 weeks since this little "weekend" project began. i hate it
> when my damn job gets in the way of my toy.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> -brian
>
>
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:59:11 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > There is no such thing as a 10 1/2" with a puny 1", 14 spline.
> >Check Centerforce's inventory:
> >http://media.centerforce.com/Catalog/2003catalogw.pdf A picture of an
> >8-1/2" x 1" x 14: http://www.mazdasurplus.com/images/CP81019.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >Onlyinajeepcj7 wrote:
> >>
> >> What are you talking about? Make a disc?? The auto parts store
(O'Rilley) sells
> >> pressure plates, disc only, or the kits. We matched up the correct disc
> >> matching the thickness, material, brand, and outside diameter. The only
> >> difference was that it was 14 spline and not the 10 spline....We
figured that
> >> the previous owner had swaped in a junkyard transmission (a 4 cyl
unit). Also,
> >> jeeps run at low RPM's (under 3K) while a Corvette is high rpm and a
fiberglass
> >> floor....
> >> The combo we used worked fine and has not given him any problems.
>
I have been thinking about this for a while, and then I remembered that the
old Direct Connection (Dodge) performance manual said it was OK to run a
10.5" disc with an 11" pressure plate. I agree yours probably isn't the
optimum setup, but it can be done. I did find a 9-11/16" disc with that
spline on it, which would leave about 3/8" per side of overlap on the
pressure plate. For the most part, the loss of friction area can be
compensated for by a slightly stronger pressure plate. I don't know the
dimension of the "ring" of the pressure plate that contacts the disc, but
given that information we could figure out the required increase in pressure
needed to obtain approximately the same holding force. This is the basic
concept with the clutches used in oval track racing. There are clutches used
there that are only 5.5" in diameter, but with very high pressure plate
pressures. The main reason for this is to reduce rotating weight and inertia
for quicker acceleration/deceleration. This concept works in 500+ horsepower
applications with a 2800 pound car. Also remember that these cars are under
full power when they are accelerating and have approximately 10" wide racing
tires that grip like the jaws of death. So if this is something you really
want to do, it CAN be done with a little research and common sense.
Chris
"hammertime" <brs3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:igmlqvsddsaebe4urvlbr8d8uvqcmp5s78@4ax.com...
> I searched LONG AND HARD for a clutch that would work. i even checked
> the online centerforce catalog the other day which covered every darn
> make/model/and year back to ~1950 (there is over 1000 lines in the
> excel file). i checked a few friends that are all around pretty sharp
> on all autos, and they never heard of such a setup either. I read a
> reply from my similar post on CJ8.com and found someone who was
> running this setup, but he bought his 8 that way, and when his clutch
> died, he had to rebuild the disc. Basically i found i was S.O.L.
>
> Onlyinajeepcj7: do you know what make/model disc your buddy used ? i
> am only curious at this point, since i have decided to move forwardin
> another route.
>
> i wasn't about to run a bastard clutch setup. jeeps are great because
> they're CHEAP. the 10 spline clutch kit was ~$100 new. So the 14
> spline T4 is down the road (even trade) and i am awaiting a ten spline
> T5 to show up at my house.
>
> on the brighter side, now i have 5th gear again (though the gearing in
> my rear axle keeps me from really using it on the highway).
>
> I can't wait to get my toy back on the road again. it's been an
> agonizing 4 weeks since this little "weekend" project began. i hate it
> when my damn job gets in the way of my toy.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> -brian
>
>
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:59:11 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > There is no such thing as a 10 1/2" with a puny 1", 14 spline.
> >Check Centerforce's inventory:
> >http://media.centerforce.com/Catalog/2003catalogw.pdf A picture of an
> >8-1/2" x 1" x 14: http://www.mazdasurplus.com/images/CP81019.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >Onlyinajeepcj7 wrote:
> >>
> >> What are you talking about? Make a disc?? The auto parts store
(O'Rilley) sells
> >> pressure plates, disc only, or the kits. We matched up the correct disc
> >> matching the thickness, material, brand, and outside diameter. The only
> >> difference was that it was 14 spline and not the 10 spline....We
figured that
> >> the previous owner had swaped in a junkyard transmission (a 4 cyl
unit). Also,
> >> jeeps run at low RPM's (under 3K) while a Corvette is high rpm and a
fiberglass
> >> floor....
> >> The combo we used worked fine and has not given him any problems.
>
#24
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: T5 to T4 swap
Brian,
I have been thinking about this for a while, and then I remembered that the
old Direct Connection (Dodge) performance manual said it was OK to run a
10.5" disc with an 11" pressure plate. I agree yours probably isn't the
optimum setup, but it can be done. I did find a 9-11/16" disc with that
spline on it, which would leave about 3/8" per side of overlap on the
pressure plate. For the most part, the loss of friction area can be
compensated for by a slightly stronger pressure plate. I don't know the
dimension of the "ring" of the pressure plate that contacts the disc, but
given that information we could figure out the required increase in pressure
needed to obtain approximately the same holding force. This is the basic
concept with the clutches used in oval track racing. There are clutches used
there that are only 5.5" in diameter, but with very high pressure plate
pressures. The main reason for this is to reduce rotating weight and inertia
for quicker acceleration/deceleration. This concept works in 500+ horsepower
applications with a 2800 pound car. Also remember that these cars are under
full power when they are accelerating and have approximately 10" wide racing
tires that grip like the jaws of death. So if this is something you really
want to do, it CAN be done with a little research and common sense.
Chris
"hammertime" <brs3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:igmlqvsddsaebe4urvlbr8d8uvqcmp5s78@4ax.com...
> I searched LONG AND HARD for a clutch that would work. i even checked
> the online centerforce catalog the other day which covered every darn
> make/model/and year back to ~1950 (there is over 1000 lines in the
> excel file). i checked a few friends that are all around pretty sharp
> on all autos, and they never heard of such a setup either. I read a
> reply from my similar post on CJ8.com and found someone who was
> running this setup, but he bought his 8 that way, and when his clutch
> died, he had to rebuild the disc. Basically i found i was S.O.L.
>
> Onlyinajeepcj7: do you know what make/model disc your buddy used ? i
> am only curious at this point, since i have decided to move forwardin
> another route.
>
> i wasn't about to run a bastard clutch setup. jeeps are great because
> they're CHEAP. the 10 spline clutch kit was ~$100 new. So the 14
> spline T4 is down the road (even trade) and i am awaiting a ten spline
> T5 to show up at my house.
>
> on the brighter side, now i have 5th gear again (though the gearing in
> my rear axle keeps me from really using it on the highway).
>
> I can't wait to get my toy back on the road again. it's been an
> agonizing 4 weeks since this little "weekend" project began. i hate it
> when my damn job gets in the way of my toy.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> -brian
>
>
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:59:11 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > There is no such thing as a 10 1/2" with a puny 1", 14 spline.
> >Check Centerforce's inventory:
> >http://media.centerforce.com/Catalog/2003catalogw.pdf A picture of an
> >8-1/2" x 1" x 14: http://www.mazdasurplus.com/images/CP81019.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >Onlyinajeepcj7 wrote:
> >>
> >> What are you talking about? Make a disc?? The auto parts store
(O'Rilley) sells
> >> pressure plates, disc only, or the kits. We matched up the correct disc
> >> matching the thickness, material, brand, and outside diameter. The only
> >> difference was that it was 14 spline and not the 10 spline....We
figured that
> >> the previous owner had swaped in a junkyard transmission (a 4 cyl
unit). Also,
> >> jeeps run at low RPM's (under 3K) while a Corvette is high rpm and a
fiberglass
> >> floor....
> >> The combo we used worked fine and has not given him any problems.
>
I have been thinking about this for a while, and then I remembered that the
old Direct Connection (Dodge) performance manual said it was OK to run a
10.5" disc with an 11" pressure plate. I agree yours probably isn't the
optimum setup, but it can be done. I did find a 9-11/16" disc with that
spline on it, which would leave about 3/8" per side of overlap on the
pressure plate. For the most part, the loss of friction area can be
compensated for by a slightly stronger pressure plate. I don't know the
dimension of the "ring" of the pressure plate that contacts the disc, but
given that information we could figure out the required increase in pressure
needed to obtain approximately the same holding force. This is the basic
concept with the clutches used in oval track racing. There are clutches used
there that are only 5.5" in diameter, but with very high pressure plate
pressures. The main reason for this is to reduce rotating weight and inertia
for quicker acceleration/deceleration. This concept works in 500+ horsepower
applications with a 2800 pound car. Also remember that these cars are under
full power when they are accelerating and have approximately 10" wide racing
tires that grip like the jaws of death. So if this is something you really
want to do, it CAN be done with a little research and common sense.
Chris
"hammertime" <brs3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:igmlqvsddsaebe4urvlbr8d8uvqcmp5s78@4ax.com...
> I searched LONG AND HARD for a clutch that would work. i even checked
> the online centerforce catalog the other day which covered every darn
> make/model/and year back to ~1950 (there is over 1000 lines in the
> excel file). i checked a few friends that are all around pretty sharp
> on all autos, and they never heard of such a setup either. I read a
> reply from my similar post on CJ8.com and found someone who was
> running this setup, but he bought his 8 that way, and when his clutch
> died, he had to rebuild the disc. Basically i found i was S.O.L.
>
> Onlyinajeepcj7: do you know what make/model disc your buddy used ? i
> am only curious at this point, since i have decided to move forwardin
> another route.
>
> i wasn't about to run a bastard clutch setup. jeeps are great because
> they're CHEAP. the 10 spline clutch kit was ~$100 new. So the 14
> spline T4 is down the road (even trade) and i am awaiting a ten spline
> T5 to show up at my house.
>
> on the brighter side, now i have 5th gear again (though the gearing in
> my rear axle keeps me from really using it on the highway).
>
> I can't wait to get my toy back on the road again. it's been an
> agonizing 4 weeks since this little "weekend" project began. i hate it
> when my damn job gets in the way of my toy.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> -brian
>
>
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:59:11 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > There is no such thing as a 10 1/2" with a puny 1", 14 spline.
> >Check Centerforce's inventory:
> >http://media.centerforce.com/Catalog/2003catalogw.pdf A picture of an
> >8-1/2" x 1" x 14: http://www.mazdasurplus.com/images/CP81019.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >Onlyinajeepcj7 wrote:
> >>
> >> What are you talking about? Make a disc?? The auto parts store
(O'Rilley) sells
> >> pressure plates, disc only, or the kits. We matched up the correct disc
> >> matching the thickness, material, brand, and outside diameter. The only
> >> difference was that it was 14 spline and not the 10 spline....We
figured that
> >> the previous owner had swaped in a junkyard transmission (a 4 cyl
unit). Also,
> >> jeeps run at low RPM's (under 3K) while a Corvette is high rpm and a
fiberglass
> >> floor....
> >> The combo we used worked fine and has not given him any problems.
>
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: T5 to T4 swap
Brian,
I have been thinking about this for a while, and then I remembered that the
old Direct Connection (Dodge) performance manual said it was OK to run a
10.5" disc with an 11" pressure plate. I agree yours probably isn't the
optimum setup, but it can be done. I did find a 9-11/16" disc with that
spline on it, which would leave about 3/8" per side of overlap on the
pressure plate. For the most part, the loss of friction area can be
compensated for by a slightly stronger pressure plate. I don't know the
dimension of the "ring" of the pressure plate that contacts the disc, but
given that information we could figure out the required increase in pressure
needed to obtain approximately the same holding force. This is the basic
concept with the clutches used in oval track racing. There are clutches used
there that are only 5.5" in diameter, but with very high pressure plate
pressures. The main reason for this is to reduce rotating weight and inertia
for quicker acceleration/deceleration. This concept works in 500+ horsepower
applications with a 2800 pound car. Also remember that these cars are under
full power when they are accelerating and have approximately 10" wide racing
tires that grip like the jaws of death. So if this is something you really
want to do, it CAN be done with a little research and common sense.
Chris
"hammertime" <brs3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:igmlqvsddsaebe4urvlbr8d8uvqcmp5s78@4ax.com...
> I searched LONG AND HARD for a clutch that would work. i even checked
> the online centerforce catalog the other day which covered every darn
> make/model/and year back to ~1950 (there is over 1000 lines in the
> excel file). i checked a few friends that are all around pretty sharp
> on all autos, and they never heard of such a setup either. I read a
> reply from my similar post on CJ8.com and found someone who was
> running this setup, but he bought his 8 that way, and when his clutch
> died, he had to rebuild the disc. Basically i found i was S.O.L.
>
> Onlyinajeepcj7: do you know what make/model disc your buddy used ? i
> am only curious at this point, since i have decided to move forwardin
> another route.
>
> i wasn't about to run a bastard clutch setup. jeeps are great because
> they're CHEAP. the 10 spline clutch kit was ~$100 new. So the 14
> spline T4 is down the road (even trade) and i am awaiting a ten spline
> T5 to show up at my house.
>
> on the brighter side, now i have 5th gear again (though the gearing in
> my rear axle keeps me from really using it on the highway).
>
> I can't wait to get my toy back on the road again. it's been an
> agonizing 4 weeks since this little "weekend" project began. i hate it
> when my damn job gets in the way of my toy.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> -brian
>
>
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:59:11 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > There is no such thing as a 10 1/2" with a puny 1", 14 spline.
> >Check Centerforce's inventory:
> >http://media.centerforce.com/Catalog/2003catalogw.pdf A picture of an
> >8-1/2" x 1" x 14: http://www.mazdasurplus.com/images/CP81019.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >Onlyinajeepcj7 wrote:
> >>
> >> What are you talking about? Make a disc?? The auto parts store
(O'Rilley) sells
> >> pressure plates, disc only, or the kits. We matched up the correct disc
> >> matching the thickness, material, brand, and outside diameter. The only
> >> difference was that it was 14 spline and not the 10 spline....We
figured that
> >> the previous owner had swaped in a junkyard transmission (a 4 cyl
unit). Also,
> >> jeeps run at low RPM's (under 3K) while a Corvette is high rpm and a
fiberglass
> >> floor....
> >> The combo we used worked fine and has not given him any problems.
>
I have been thinking about this for a while, and then I remembered that the
old Direct Connection (Dodge) performance manual said it was OK to run a
10.5" disc with an 11" pressure plate. I agree yours probably isn't the
optimum setup, but it can be done. I did find a 9-11/16" disc with that
spline on it, which would leave about 3/8" per side of overlap on the
pressure plate. For the most part, the loss of friction area can be
compensated for by a slightly stronger pressure plate. I don't know the
dimension of the "ring" of the pressure plate that contacts the disc, but
given that information we could figure out the required increase in pressure
needed to obtain approximately the same holding force. This is the basic
concept with the clutches used in oval track racing. There are clutches used
there that are only 5.5" in diameter, but with very high pressure plate
pressures. The main reason for this is to reduce rotating weight and inertia
for quicker acceleration/deceleration. This concept works in 500+ horsepower
applications with a 2800 pound car. Also remember that these cars are under
full power when they are accelerating and have approximately 10" wide racing
tires that grip like the jaws of death. So if this is something you really
want to do, it CAN be done with a little research and common sense.
Chris
"hammertime" <brs3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:igmlqvsddsaebe4urvlbr8d8uvqcmp5s78@4ax.com...
> I searched LONG AND HARD for a clutch that would work. i even checked
> the online centerforce catalog the other day which covered every darn
> make/model/and year back to ~1950 (there is over 1000 lines in the
> excel file). i checked a few friends that are all around pretty sharp
> on all autos, and they never heard of such a setup either. I read a
> reply from my similar post on CJ8.com and found someone who was
> running this setup, but he bought his 8 that way, and when his clutch
> died, he had to rebuild the disc. Basically i found i was S.O.L.
>
> Onlyinajeepcj7: do you know what make/model disc your buddy used ? i
> am only curious at this point, since i have decided to move forwardin
> another route.
>
> i wasn't about to run a bastard clutch setup. jeeps are great because
> they're CHEAP. the 10 spline clutch kit was ~$100 new. So the 14
> spline T4 is down the road (even trade) and i am awaiting a ten spline
> T5 to show up at my house.
>
> on the brighter side, now i have 5th gear again (though the gearing in
> my rear axle keeps me from really using it on the highway).
>
> I can't wait to get my toy back on the road again. it's been an
> agonizing 4 weeks since this little "weekend" project began. i hate it
> when my damn job gets in the way of my toy.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> -brian
>
>
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:59:11 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > There is no such thing as a 10 1/2" with a puny 1", 14 spline.
> >Check Centerforce's inventory:
> >http://media.centerforce.com/Catalog/2003catalogw.pdf A picture of an
> >8-1/2" x 1" x 14: http://www.mazdasurplus.com/images/CP81019.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >Onlyinajeepcj7 wrote:
> >>
> >> What are you talking about? Make a disc?? The auto parts store
(O'Rilley) sells
> >> pressure plates, disc only, or the kits. We matched up the correct disc
> >> matching the thickness, material, brand, and outside diameter. The only
> >> difference was that it was 14 spline and not the 10 spline....We
figured that
> >> the previous owner had swaped in a junkyard transmission (a 4 cyl
unit). Also,
> >> jeeps run at low RPM's (under 3K) while a Corvette is high rpm and a
fiberglass
> >> floor....
> >> The combo we used worked fine and has not given him any problems.
>
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Re: T5 to T4 swap
i thought about that too... if i remember right from the other day,
the clutch book said that 86(?) cherokees with the 2.5L run a 14
spline with hte 9-11/16" plate OD, which would leave with less contact
area, however later down the road, replacing the whole assembly will
be more costly, buying the pressure plate & disc separately, and way
wear faster too, since there's less contact area, but a thicker disc
would compensate for the time.....
but it ended up working out for me, got a working T5 back which is
what i started with.....
brian
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 02:13:18 GMT, "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
>ne. I did find a 9-11/16" disc with that
>spline on it, which would leave about 3/8" per side of overlap on the
#27
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Re: T5 to T4 swap
i thought about that too... if i remember right from the other day,
the clutch book said that 86(?) cherokees with the 2.5L run a 14
spline with hte 9-11/16" plate OD, which would leave with less contact
area, however later down the road, replacing the whole assembly will
be more costly, buying the pressure plate & disc separately, and way
wear faster too, since there's less contact area, but a thicker disc
would compensate for the time.....
but it ended up working out for me, got a working T5 back which is
what i started with.....
brian
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 02:13:18 GMT, "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
>ne. I did find a 9-11/16" disc with that
>spline on it, which would leave about 3/8" per side of overlap on the
#28
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Posts: n/a
Re: T5 to T4 swap
i thought about that too... if i remember right from the other day,
the clutch book said that 86(?) cherokees with the 2.5L run a 14
spline with hte 9-11/16" plate OD, which would leave with less contact
area, however later down the road, replacing the whole assembly will
be more costly, buying the pressure plate & disc separately, and way
wear faster too, since there's less contact area, but a thicker disc
would compensate for the time.....
but it ended up working out for me, got a working T5 back which is
what i started with.....
brian
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 02:13:18 GMT, "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
>ne. I did find a 9-11/16" disc with that
>spline on it, which would leave about 3/8" per side of overlap on the
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