Synthetic Rope for Winch Cable ?
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Re: Synthetic Rope for Winch Cable ?
I haven't used one, but I know of them and have seen them in use. I can't
think of any reason to not use them.
"James Nipper" <jnipper@nospam.fdn.com> wrote in message
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> In addition to being a Jeep enthusiast, I also have several atv's, and
> use a 2500 lb winch on one of them, a Honda Foreman. I have posted
> this query in an atv group, but I feel that some of you folks use winches
> and will have some good advice on my questions.
>
>
> I just ruined the 50 foot steel cable on my Warn winch, so I will be
looking
> for a replacement soon. In the past few years I have seen comments/ads
on
> many folks now using some rope products for winch cable. It seems there
> are some benefits if you take care of it and don't keep it wet all the
time
> and/or expose it to sun for long periods of time.
>
> I would like to hear comments from those who have **actually used** a
rope
> for a winch cable on an atv or passenger vehicle, and what experiences you
> have had. Also, if there is a preferred brand, please let me know.
>
> While I would like to have a 100 foot rope to replace my old 50 foot one,
> I don't know if 100 feet would fit on a Warn 2500 atv winch.
>
> Thanks for any input !!!!!
>
>
> --James--
>
think of any reason to not use them.
"James Nipper" <jnipper@nospam.fdn.com> wrote in message
news:35Kdna-uNLI6I4LcRVn-gg@comcast.com...
> In addition to being a Jeep enthusiast, I also have several atv's, and
> use a 2500 lb winch on one of them, a Honda Foreman. I have posted
> this query in an atv group, but I feel that some of you folks use winches
> and will have some good advice on my questions.
>
>
> I just ruined the 50 foot steel cable on my Warn winch, so I will be
looking
> for a replacement soon. In the past few years I have seen comments/ads
on
> many folks now using some rope products for winch cable. It seems there
> are some benefits if you take care of it and don't keep it wet all the
time
> and/or expose it to sun for long periods of time.
>
> I would like to hear comments from those who have **actually used** a
rope
> for a winch cable on an atv or passenger vehicle, and what experiences you
> have had. Also, if there is a preferred brand, please let me know.
>
> While I would like to have a 100 foot rope to replace my old 50 foot one,
> I don't know if 100 feet would fit on a Warn 2500 atv winch.
>
> Thanks for any input !!!!!
>
>
> --James--
>
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Re: Synthetic Rope for Winch Cable ?
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
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> To my knowledge (and I know the kind folks on this board will say so
> if I'm wrong here), many, if not all, of the rock-crawling
> competitions are now requiring the synthetic winch line. One of the
> very good quality ones is X-Line.
>
[snip]
> Hope that helps you with your decision. Were I in your shoes and I
> could afford the more expensive synth rope, I would definitely get it.
> I've seen it in action, and it is great. SO much easier to work with
> than the steel crap.
That's very much in line with recent applications of synthetics in other
fields, for example Glock revolutionized the handgun industry in the 1980s
with a largely plastic pistol. Now they are carried by many/most police and
dominate the market. They are lighter than metal, totally reliable and
resist bumps.
Every material has trade-offs. Metal cables resist cutting relatively well
(such as pulling across a sharp stone), but synthetics are much more
flexible. Metal doesn't like repeated bending--it'll work harden and crack.
Synthetics don't like heat or sunlight, but metals rust or corrode in water
and salt spray.
You can't judge modern materials by cheap nylon rope and stuff from 30 years
ago.
-John
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Re: Synthetic Rope for Winch Cable ?
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
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> To my knowledge (and I know the kind folks on this board will say so
> if I'm wrong here), many, if not all, of the rock-crawling
> competitions are now requiring the synthetic winch line. One of the
> very good quality ones is X-Line.
>
[snip]
> Hope that helps you with your decision. Were I in your shoes and I
> could afford the more expensive synth rope, I would definitely get it.
> I've seen it in action, and it is great. SO much easier to work with
> than the steel crap.
That's very much in line with recent applications of synthetics in other
fields, for example Glock revolutionized the handgun industry in the 1980s
with a largely plastic pistol. Now they are carried by many/most police and
dominate the market. They are lighter than metal, totally reliable and
resist bumps.
Every material has trade-offs. Metal cables resist cutting relatively well
(such as pulling across a sharp stone), but synthetics are much more
flexible. Metal doesn't like repeated bending--it'll work harden and crack.
Synthetics don't like heat or sunlight, but metals rust or corrode in water
and salt spray.
You can't judge modern materials by cheap nylon rope and stuff from 30 years
ago.
-John
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Re: Synthetic Rope for Winch Cable ?
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0408161101.5355f1ab@posting.google.c om...
> To my knowledge (and I know the kind folks on this board will say so
> if I'm wrong here), many, if not all, of the rock-crawling
> competitions are now requiring the synthetic winch line. One of the
> very good quality ones is X-Line.
>
[snip]
> Hope that helps you with your decision. Were I in your shoes and I
> could afford the more expensive synth rope, I would definitely get it.
> I've seen it in action, and it is great. SO much easier to work with
> than the steel crap.
That's very much in line with recent applications of synthetics in other
fields, for example Glock revolutionized the handgun industry in the 1980s
with a largely plastic pistol. Now they are carried by many/most police and
dominate the market. They are lighter than metal, totally reliable and
resist bumps.
Every material has trade-offs. Metal cables resist cutting relatively well
(such as pulling across a sharp stone), but synthetics are much more
flexible. Metal doesn't like repeated bending--it'll work harden and crack.
Synthetics don't like heat or sunlight, but metals rust or corrode in water
and salt spray.
You can't judge modern materials by cheap nylon rope and stuff from 30 years
ago.
-John
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Re: Synthetic Rope for Winch Cable ?
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0408161101.5355f1ab@posting.google.c om...
> To my knowledge (and I know the kind folks on this board will say so
> if I'm wrong here), many, if not all, of the rock-crawling
> competitions are now requiring the synthetic winch line. One of the
> very good quality ones is X-Line.
>
[snip]
> Hope that helps you with your decision. Were I in your shoes and I
> could afford the more expensive synth rope, I would definitely get it.
> I've seen it in action, and it is great. SO much easier to work with
> than the steel crap.
That's very much in line with recent applications of synthetics in other
fields, for example Glock revolutionized the handgun industry in the 1980s
with a largely plastic pistol. Now they are carried by many/most police and
dominate the market. They are lighter than metal, totally reliable and
resist bumps.
Every material has trade-offs. Metal cables resist cutting relatively well
(such as pulling across a sharp stone), but synthetics are much more
flexible. Metal doesn't like repeated bending--it'll work harden and crack.
Synthetics don't like heat or sunlight, but metals rust or corrode in water
and salt spray.
You can't judge modern materials by cheap nylon rope and stuff from 30 years
ago.
-John
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Re: Synthetic Rope for Winch Cable ?
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0408161101.5355f1ab@posting.google.c om...> One thing you have
to remember to look for is a rope that has a
> high-temp treatment or material for the first x number of feet
> (depending on the size of your winch, this requirement of length
> varies) so that the minimum first wrap of the line has this
> material/coating.
Name one rope that has that high-temp resistant x-number of feet at the
beginning aside from Warn's new $700 winch rope. ;)
On top of that, the only (!) time heat becomes an issue for synthetic rope
is when you're using the winch's brake to spool rope out... heat is NOT an
issue for normal inward winching.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
news:47b769ae.0408161101.5355f1ab@posting.google.c om...> One thing you have
to remember to look for is a rope that has a
> high-temp treatment or material for the first x number of feet
> (depending on the size of your winch, this requirement of length
> varies) so that the minimum first wrap of the line has this
> material/coating.
Name one rope that has that high-temp resistant x-number of feet at the
beginning aside from Warn's new $700 winch rope. ;)
On top of that, the only (!) time heat becomes an issue for synthetic rope
is when you're using the winch's brake to spool rope out... heat is NOT an
issue for normal inward winching.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#47
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Re: Synthetic Rope for Winch Cable ?
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0408161101.5355f1ab@posting.google.c om...> One thing you have
to remember to look for is a rope that has a
> high-temp treatment or material for the first x number of feet
> (depending on the size of your winch, this requirement of length
> varies) so that the minimum first wrap of the line has this
> material/coating.
Name one rope that has that high-temp resistant x-number of feet at the
beginning aside from Warn's new $700 winch rope. ;)
On top of that, the only (!) time heat becomes an issue for synthetic rope
is when you're using the winch's brake to spool rope out... heat is NOT an
issue for normal inward winching.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
news:47b769ae.0408161101.5355f1ab@posting.google.c om...> One thing you have
to remember to look for is a rope that has a
> high-temp treatment or material for the first x number of feet
> (depending on the size of your winch, this requirement of length
> varies) so that the minimum first wrap of the line has this
> material/coating.
Name one rope that has that high-temp resistant x-number of feet at the
beginning aside from Warn's new $700 winch rope. ;)
On top of that, the only (!) time heat becomes an issue for synthetic rope
is when you're using the winch's brake to spool rope out... heat is NOT an
issue for normal inward winching.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
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Re: Synthetic Rope for Winch Cable ?
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0408161101.5355f1ab@posting.google.c om...> One thing you have
to remember to look for is a rope that has a
> high-temp treatment or material for the first x number of feet
> (depending on the size of your winch, this requirement of length
> varies) so that the minimum first wrap of the line has this
> material/coating.
Name one rope that has that high-temp resistant x-number of feet at the
beginning aside from Warn's new $700 winch rope. ;)
On top of that, the only (!) time heat becomes an issue for synthetic rope
is when you're using the winch's brake to spool rope out... heat is NOT an
issue for normal inward winching.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
news:47b769ae.0408161101.5355f1ab@posting.google.c om...> One thing you have
to remember to look for is a rope that has a
> high-temp treatment or material for the first x number of feet
> (depending on the size of your winch, this requirement of length
> varies) so that the minimum first wrap of the line has this
> material/coating.
Name one rope that has that high-temp resistant x-number of feet at the
beginning aside from Warn's new $700 winch rope. ;)
On top of that, the only (!) time heat becomes an issue for synthetic rope
is when you're using the winch's brake to spool rope out... heat is NOT an
issue for normal inward winching.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
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Re: Synthetic Rope for Winch Cable ?
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0408161101.5355f1ab@posting.google.c om...> One thing you have
to remember to look for is a rope that has a
> high-temp treatment or material for the first x number of feet
> (depending on the size of your winch, this requirement of length
> varies) so that the minimum first wrap of the line has this
> material/coating.
Name one rope that has that high-temp resistant x-number of feet at the
beginning aside from Warn's new $700 winch rope. ;)
On top of that, the only (!) time heat becomes an issue for synthetic rope
is when you're using the winch's brake to spool rope out... heat is NOT an
issue for normal inward winching.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
news:47b769ae.0408161101.5355f1ab@posting.google.c om...> One thing you have
to remember to look for is a rope that has a
> high-temp treatment or material for the first x number of feet
> (depending on the size of your winch, this requirement of length
> varies) so that the minimum first wrap of the line has this
> material/coating.
Name one rope that has that high-temp resistant x-number of feet at the
beginning aside from Warn's new $700 winch rope. ;)
On top of that, the only (!) time heat becomes an issue for synthetic rope
is when you're using the winch's brake to spool rope out... heat is NOT an
issue for normal inward winching.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
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Re: Synthetic Rope for Winch Cable ?
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0408161101.5355f1ab@posting.google.c om...> One thing you have
to remember to look for is a rope that has a
> high-temp treatment or material for the first x number of feet
> (depending on the size of your winch, this requirement of length
> varies) so that the minimum first wrap of the line has this
> material/coating.
Name one rope that has that high-temp resistant x-number of feet at the
beginning aside from Warn's new $700 winch rope. ;)
On top of that, the only (!) time heat becomes an issue for synthetic rope
is when you're using the winch's brake to spool rope out... heat is NOT an
issue for normal inward winching.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
news:47b769ae.0408161101.5355f1ab@posting.google.c om...> One thing you have
to remember to look for is a rope that has a
> high-temp treatment or material for the first x number of feet
> (depending on the size of your winch, this requirement of length
> varies) so that the minimum first wrap of the line has this
> material/coating.
Name one rope that has that high-temp resistant x-number of feet at the
beginning aside from Warn's new $700 winch rope. ;)
On top of that, the only (!) time heat becomes an issue for synthetic rope
is when you're using the winch's brake to spool rope out... heat is NOT an
issue for normal inward winching.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/