William Oliveri

The 'mechanic' is a full time engine rebuilder. I just called him and he
said no problem to switch the two bolts. Just torque it down to the correct
value and you'll be set. He's the one warranting the job so I'm happy.


Thanks,

Bill



"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:409FC445.928E9186@sympatico.ca...
> I don't know where some of these 'mechanics' come from....
>
> He put the 'wrong' bolt in the hole.....
>
> Man oh man, if it wasn't for bad you wouldn't have any luck at all would
> you?
> ;-)
>
> I for one most certainly would not accept a rebuilt engine with an
> already 'blown' head gasket.
>
> Head gaskets only compress once.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > Just had my engine rebuilt. New cam, new crank 10/10, new bearings, new
> > pistons and rings, flywheel balanced and all married up to my 4.0L head
out
> > the door.
> >
> > Now the R&R guy has noticed one of the head bolts is out of position for
the
> > power steering bracket so he needs to switch them.
> >
> > Is there any problem switching two head bolts which reside side by side
> > without going through the entire torquing sequence again?
> >
> > That is, can these two bolts be taking out, switched, put back in and
> > torqued down without any problems?
> >
> > R&R guy says no problem.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill

William Oliveri

The 'mechanic' is a full time engine rebuilder. I just called him and he
said no problem to switch the two bolts. Just torque it down to the correct
value and you'll be set. He's the one warranting the job so I'm happy.


Thanks,

Bill



"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:409FC445.928E9186@sympatico.ca...
> I don't know where some of these 'mechanics' come from....
>
> He put the 'wrong' bolt in the hole.....
>
> Man oh man, if it wasn't for bad you wouldn't have any luck at all would
> you?
> ;-)
>
> I for one most certainly would not accept a rebuilt engine with an
> already 'blown' head gasket.
>
> Head gaskets only compress once.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > Just had my engine rebuilt. New cam, new crank 10/10, new bearings, new
> > pistons and rings, flywheel balanced and all married up to my 4.0L head
out
> > the door.
> >
> > Now the R&R guy has noticed one of the head bolts is out of position for
the
> > power steering bracket so he needs to switch them.
> >
> > Is there any problem switching two head bolts which reside side by side
> > without going through the entire torquing sequence again?
> >
> > That is, can these two bolts be taking out, switched, put back in and
> > torqued down without any problems?
> >
> > R&R guy says no problem.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill

William Oliveri

The 'mechanic' is a full time engine rebuilder. I just called him and he
said no problem to switch the two bolts. Just torque it down to the correct
value and you'll be set. He's the one warranting the job so I'm happy.


Thanks,

Bill



"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:409FC445.928E9186@sympatico.ca...
> I don't know where some of these 'mechanics' come from....
>
> He put the 'wrong' bolt in the hole.....
>
> Man oh man, if it wasn't for bad you wouldn't have any luck at all would
> you?
> ;-)
>
> I for one most certainly would not accept a rebuilt engine with an
> already 'blown' head gasket.
>
> Head gaskets only compress once.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > Just had my engine rebuilt. New cam, new crank 10/10, new bearings, new
> > pistons and rings, flywheel balanced and all married up to my 4.0L head
out
> > the door.
> >
> > Now the R&R guy has noticed one of the head bolts is out of position for
the
> > power steering bracket so he needs to switch them.
> >
> > Is there any problem switching two head bolts which reside side by side
> > without going through the entire torquing sequence again?
> >
> > That is, can these two bolts be taking out, switched, put back in and
> > torqued down without any problems?
> >
> > R&R guy says no problem.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill

Mike Romain

He already has a mis match on the head gasket Steve.

He is putting a 4.0 head onto a 4.2 block. That makes it a 'twitchy'
installation to start.

'I' would not take a chance on blowing a new engine for something that
dumb.

Maybe that is just me, but.... If I forked out in the order of $2K plus
I most certainly would not take a chance on a head gasket that 'might or
might not' be compromised.

I have assembled and have seen assembled a whole pile of engines over
the years and most people, let alone 'mechanics' stop and think when
they find 2 head bolts that are nutted studs instead of bolts.

It seem 'logical' that these 'strange' bolt like things should go
somewhere special eh?

One is for the bracket, the other goes on the back drivers side corner
for the ground strap to bolt onto.

In all due fairness poor Bill's 'mechanic' is kinda on the brain dead
side to just put it together wrong without checking wouldn't you say?

Mike

Steve G wrote:
>
> I've done it hundreds of times and there won't be a problem switching the
> bolts and just re-torquing those two. In all probability it's one of the
> outside bolts which are the last to be torqued in the sequence anyways.
>
> In all fairness to the mechanic Mike, these guys have no way of knowing
> which bolt is supposed to have the stud on it and different installations
> sometimes have different positions for that bolt. May not be the case with
> all 4.0, although I doubt that they all come the same way in all
> applications. I know for a fact lots of Pontiac, Buick and Olds v-8's would
> have the head bolts with the stud on it in different locations depending on
> what model vehicle it was going in and the assembler would have no way of
> knowing.
> Steve G.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409FC445.928E9186@sympatico.ca...
> > I don't know where some of these 'mechanics' come from....
> >
> > He put the 'wrong' bolt in the hole.....
> >
> > Man oh man, if it wasn't for bad you wouldn't have any luck at all would
> > you?
> > ;-)
> >
> > I for one most certainly would not accept a rebuilt engine with an
> > already 'blown' head gasket.
> >
> > Head gaskets only compress once.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Just had my engine rebuilt. New cam, new crank 10/10, new bearings, new
> > > pistons and rings, flywheel balanced and all married up to my 4.0L head
> out
> > > the door.
> > >
> > > Now the R&R guy has noticed one of the head bolts is out of position for
> the
> > > power steering bracket so he needs to switch them.
> > >
> > > Is there any problem switching two head bolts which reside side by side
> > > without going through the entire torquing sequence again?
> > >
> > > That is, can these two bolts be taking out, switched, put back in and
> > > torqued down without any problems?
> > >
> > > R&R guy says no problem.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill

Mike Romain

He already has a mis match on the head gasket Steve.

He is putting a 4.0 head onto a 4.2 block. That makes it a 'twitchy'
installation to start.

'I' would not take a chance on blowing a new engine for something that
dumb.

Maybe that is just me, but.... If I forked out in the order of $2K plus
I most certainly would not take a chance on a head gasket that 'might or
might not' be compromised.

I have assembled and have seen assembled a whole pile of engines over
the years and most people, let alone 'mechanics' stop and think when
they find 2 head bolts that are nutted studs instead of bolts.

It seem 'logical' that these 'strange' bolt like things should go
somewhere special eh?

One is for the bracket, the other goes on the back drivers side corner
for the ground strap to bolt onto.

In all due fairness poor Bill's 'mechanic' is kinda on the brain dead
side to just put it together wrong without checking wouldn't you say?

Mike

Steve G wrote:
>
> I've done it hundreds of times and there won't be a problem switching the
> bolts and just re-torquing those two. In all probability it's one of the
> outside bolts which are the last to be torqued in the sequence anyways.
>
> In all fairness to the mechanic Mike, these guys have no way of knowing
> which bolt is supposed to have the stud on it and different installations
> sometimes have different positions for that bolt. May not be the case with
> all 4.0, although I doubt that they all come the same way in all
> applications. I know for a fact lots of Pontiac, Buick and Olds v-8's would
> have the head bolts with the stud on it in different locations depending on
> what model vehicle it was going in and the assembler would have no way of
> knowing.
> Steve G.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409FC445.928E9186@sympatico.ca...
> > I don't know where some of these 'mechanics' come from....
> >
> > He put the 'wrong' bolt in the hole.....
> >
> > Man oh man, if it wasn't for bad you wouldn't have any luck at all would
> > you?
> > ;-)
> >
> > I for one most certainly would not accept a rebuilt engine with an
> > already 'blown' head gasket.
> >
> > Head gaskets only compress once.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Just had my engine rebuilt. New cam, new crank 10/10, new bearings, new
> > > pistons and rings, flywheel balanced and all married up to my 4.0L head
> out
> > > the door.
> > >
> > > Now the R&R guy has noticed one of the head bolts is out of position for
> the
> > > power steering bracket so he needs to switch them.
> > >
> > > Is there any problem switching two head bolts which reside side by side
> > > without going through the entire torquing sequence again?
> > >
> > > That is, can these two bolts be taking out, switched, put back in and
> > > torqued down without any problems?
> > >
> > > R&R guy says no problem.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill

Mike Romain

He already has a mis match on the head gasket Steve.

He is putting a 4.0 head onto a 4.2 block. That makes it a 'twitchy'
installation to start.

'I' would not take a chance on blowing a new engine for something that
dumb.

Maybe that is just me, but.... If I forked out in the order of $2K plus
I most certainly would not take a chance on a head gasket that 'might or
might not' be compromised.

I have assembled and have seen assembled a whole pile of engines over
the years and most people, let alone 'mechanics' stop and think when
they find 2 head bolts that are nutted studs instead of bolts.

It seem 'logical' that these 'strange' bolt like things should go
somewhere special eh?

One is for the bracket, the other goes on the back drivers side corner
for the ground strap to bolt onto.

In all due fairness poor Bill's 'mechanic' is kinda on the brain dead
side to just put it together wrong without checking wouldn't you say?

Mike

Steve G wrote:
>
> I've done it hundreds of times and there won't be a problem switching the
> bolts and just re-torquing those two. In all probability it's one of the
> outside bolts which are the last to be torqued in the sequence anyways.
>
> In all fairness to the mechanic Mike, these guys have no way of knowing
> which bolt is supposed to have the stud on it and different installations
> sometimes have different positions for that bolt. May not be the case with
> all 4.0, although I doubt that they all come the same way in all
> applications. I know for a fact lots of Pontiac, Buick and Olds v-8's would
> have the head bolts with the stud on it in different locations depending on
> what model vehicle it was going in and the assembler would have no way of
> knowing.
> Steve G.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409FC445.928E9186@sympatico.ca...
> > I don't know where some of these 'mechanics' come from....
> >
> > He put the 'wrong' bolt in the hole.....
> >
> > Man oh man, if it wasn't for bad you wouldn't have any luck at all would
> > you?
> > ;-)
> >
> > I for one most certainly would not accept a rebuilt engine with an
> > already 'blown' head gasket.
> >
> > Head gaskets only compress once.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Just had my engine rebuilt. New cam, new crank 10/10, new bearings, new
> > > pistons and rings, flywheel balanced and all married up to my 4.0L head
> out
> > > the door.
> > >
> > > Now the R&R guy has noticed one of the head bolts is out of position for
> the
> > > power steering bracket so he needs to switch them.
> > >
> > > Is there any problem switching two head bolts which reside side by side
> > > without going through the entire torquing sequence again?
> > >
> > > That is, can these two bolts be taking out, switched, put back in and
> > > torqued down without any problems?
> > >
> > > R&R guy says no problem.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill

Mike Romain

He already has a mis match on the head gasket Steve.

He is putting a 4.0 head onto a 4.2 block. That makes it a 'twitchy'
installation to start.

'I' would not take a chance on blowing a new engine for something that
dumb.

Maybe that is just me, but.... If I forked out in the order of $2K plus
I most certainly would not take a chance on a head gasket that 'might or
might not' be compromised.

I have assembled and have seen assembled a whole pile of engines over
the years and most people, let alone 'mechanics' stop and think when
they find 2 head bolts that are nutted studs instead of bolts.

It seem 'logical' that these 'strange' bolt like things should go
somewhere special eh?

One is for the bracket, the other goes on the back drivers side corner
for the ground strap to bolt onto.

In all due fairness poor Bill's 'mechanic' is kinda on the brain dead
side to just put it together wrong without checking wouldn't you say?

Mike

Steve G wrote:
>
> I've done it hundreds of times and there won't be a problem switching the
> bolts and just re-torquing those two. In all probability it's one of the
> outside bolts which are the last to be torqued in the sequence anyways.
>
> In all fairness to the mechanic Mike, these guys have no way of knowing
> which bolt is supposed to have the stud on it and different installations
> sometimes have different positions for that bolt. May not be the case with
> all 4.0, although I doubt that they all come the same way in all
> applications. I know for a fact lots of Pontiac, Buick and Olds v-8's would
> have the head bolts with the stud on it in different locations depending on
> what model vehicle it was going in and the assembler would have no way of
> knowing.
> Steve G.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409FC445.928E9186@sympatico.ca...
> > I don't know where some of these 'mechanics' come from....
> >
> > He put the 'wrong' bolt in the hole.....
> >
> > Man oh man, if it wasn't for bad you wouldn't have any luck at all would
> > you?
> > ;-)
> >
> > I for one most certainly would not accept a rebuilt engine with an
> > already 'blown' head gasket.
> >
> > Head gaskets only compress once.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Just had my engine rebuilt. New cam, new crank 10/10, new bearings, new
> > > pistons and rings, flywheel balanced and all married up to my 4.0L head
> out
> > > the door.
> > >
> > > Now the R&R guy has noticed one of the head bolts is out of position for
> the
> > > power steering bracket so he needs to switch them.
> > >
> > > Is there any problem switching two head bolts which reside side by side
> > > without going through the entire torquing sequence again?
> > >
> > > That is, can these two bolts be taking out, switched, put back in and
> > > torqued down without any problems?
> > >
> > > R&R guy says no problem.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Mike,
Cut him some slack, I can see where an engine builder may be
confused as to where a head bolt with the stud would go, I don't know of
any book that would tell him where fifty years of different brackets
would attach. Anyway, the installer should be able to swap bolts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I don't know where some of these 'mechanics' come from....
>
> He put the 'wrong' bolt in the hole.....
>
> Man oh man, if it wasn't for bad you wouldn't have any luck at all would
> you?
> ;-)
>
> I for one most certainly would not accept a rebuilt engine with an
> already 'blown' head gasket.
>
> Head gaskets only compress once.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Mike,
Cut him some slack, I can see where an engine builder may be
confused as to where a head bolt with the stud would go, I don't know of
any book that would tell him where fifty years of different brackets
would attach. Anyway, the installer should be able to swap bolts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I don't know where some of these 'mechanics' come from....
>
> He put the 'wrong' bolt in the hole.....
>
> Man oh man, if it wasn't for bad you wouldn't have any luck at all would
> you?
> ;-)
>
> I for one most certainly would not accept a rebuilt engine with an
> already 'blown' head gasket.
>
> Head gaskets only compress once.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Mike,
Cut him some slack, I can see where an engine builder may be
confused as to where a head bolt with the stud would go, I don't know of
any book that would tell him where fifty years of different brackets
would attach. Anyway, the installer should be able to swap bolts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I don't know where some of these 'mechanics' come from....
>
> He put the 'wrong' bolt in the hole.....
>
> Man oh man, if it wasn't for bad you wouldn't have any luck at all would
> you?
> ;-)
>
> I for one most certainly would not accept a rebuilt engine with an
> already 'blown' head gasket.
>
> Head gaskets only compress once.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's