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stripped lugnuts
I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but
here goes. The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and a half. I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's more like they deform, like they're made of lead. some crappy pictures here: http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding nuts on top is my best option. I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. How should I do this without damaging the studs? |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Take it to the shop and let them do it.
Would be a LOT less work for you. "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... >I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but here >goes. > The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 of > 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like really > crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. > I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and a > half. > I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and > basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping > the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's more > like they deform, like they're made of lead. > > some crappy pictures here: > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ > > I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding > nuts on top is my best option. > I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. > How should I do this without damaging the studs? |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Take it to the shop and let them do it.
Would be a LOT less work for you. "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... >I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but here >goes. > The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 of > 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like really > crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. > I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and a > half. > I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and > basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping > the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's more > like they deform, like they're made of lead. > > some crappy pictures here: > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ > > I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding > nuts on top is my best option. > I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. > How should I do this without damaging the studs? |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Take it to the shop and let them do it.
Would be a LOT less work for you. "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... >I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but here >goes. > The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 of > 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like really > crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. > I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and a > half. > I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and > basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping > the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's more > like they deform, like they're made of lead. > > some crappy pictures here: > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ > > I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding > nuts on top is my best option. > I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. > How should I do this without damaging the studs? |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Are they stripped or stuck?
Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, but I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, I'd say the two are completely different problems. Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck). "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... >I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but here >goes. > The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 of > 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like really > crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. > I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and a > half. > I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and > basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping > the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's more > like they deform, like they're made of lead. > > some crappy pictures here: > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ > > I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding > nuts on top is my best option. > I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. > How should I do this without damaging the studs? |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Are they stripped or stuck?
Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, but I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, I'd say the two are completely different problems. Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck). "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... >I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but here >goes. > The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 of > 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like really > crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. > I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and a > half. > I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and > basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping > the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's more > like they deform, like they're made of lead. > > some crappy pictures here: > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ > > I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding > nuts on top is my best option. > I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. > How should I do this without damaging the studs? |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Are they stripped or stuck?
Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, but I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, I'd say the two are completely different problems. Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck). "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... >I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but here >goes. > The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 of > 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like really > crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. > I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and a > half. > I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and > basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping > the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's more > like they deform, like they're made of lead. > > some crappy pictures here: > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ > > I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding > nuts on top is my best option. > I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. > How should I do this without damaging the studs? |
Re: stripped lugnuts
OK, yeah they're stuck. The flats, not the threads, are the problem and
have indeed rounded off. Although I guess the threads are the problem too, as they are stuck (not stripped :p ) Thanks, Jeff - any suggestions? Jeff Strickland wrote: > Are they stripped or stuck? > > Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, > but I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, > I'd say the two are completely different problems. > > Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This > implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck). > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... >> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but >> here goes. >> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or >> 5 of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem >> like really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and >> a cap. >> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week >> and a half. >> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and >> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and >> stripping the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used >> to, it's more like they deform, like they're made of lead. >> >> some crappy pictures here: >> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ >> >> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if >> welding nuts on top is my best option. >> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. >> How should I do this without damaging the studs? > |
Re: stripped lugnuts
OK, yeah they're stuck. The flats, not the threads, are the problem and
have indeed rounded off. Although I guess the threads are the problem too, as they are stuck (not stripped :p ) Thanks, Jeff - any suggestions? Jeff Strickland wrote: > Are they stripped or stuck? > > Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, > but I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, > I'd say the two are completely different problems. > > Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This > implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck). > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... >> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but >> here goes. >> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or >> 5 of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem >> like really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and >> a cap. >> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week >> and a half. >> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and >> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and >> stripping the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used >> to, it's more like they deform, like they're made of lead. >> >> some crappy pictures here: >> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ >> >> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if >> welding nuts on top is my best option. >> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. >> How should I do this without damaging the studs? > |
Re: stripped lugnuts
OK, yeah they're stuck. The flats, not the threads, are the problem and
have indeed rounded off. Although I guess the threads are the problem too, as they are stuck (not stripped :p ) Thanks, Jeff - any suggestions? Jeff Strickland wrote: > Are they stripped or stuck? > > Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, > but I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, > I'd say the two are completely different problems. > > Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This > implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck). > > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... >> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but >> here goes. >> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or >> 5 of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem >> like really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and >> a cap. >> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week >> and a half. >> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and >> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and >> stripping the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used >> to, it's more like they deform, like they're made of lead. >> >> some crappy pictures here: >> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ >> >> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if >> welding nuts on top is my best option. >> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. >> How should I do this without damaging the studs? > |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you
try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off. tw -- __________________________________________________ ___________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. __________________________________________________ ___________________ |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you
try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off. tw -- __________________________________________________ ___________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. __________________________________________________ ___________________ |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you
try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off. tw -- __________________________________________________ ___________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. __________________________________________________ ___________________ |
Re: stripped lugnuts
The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes,
nothing else fit twaldron wrote: > Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you > try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding > them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off. > > tw > |
Re: stripped lugnuts
The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes,
nothing else fit twaldron wrote: > Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you > try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding > them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off. > > tw > |
Re: stripped lugnuts
The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes,
nothing else fit twaldron wrote: > Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you > try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding > them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off. > > tw > |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Well, I have no _good_ ideas, except that is it possible that you are using
a fraction wrench when you should be using a metric wrench? If your selected fraction is a bit oversize, and the nuts are stuck tight, then the likely result will be rounded corners. I'd suggest trying some other sizes that are not intuitive, maybe an 17mm instead of 3/4". I'd also try a 1/2" drive with a breaker bar and perhaps a length of pipe to give you added leverage. I also suggest a good squirt of Liquid Wrench, and allow it to soak in overnight. I am not sure what the actual size is of the lug nuts, but I think there is a good chance you assume fraction sizes where your selection should be metric. They use a size called USO that tries to use universal (metric and fraction) sizes that compliment one another. Having said that, I helped a buddy install a lift kit to his TJ, and we found that there were a wide mixture of metric and fraction sizes, occasionally on the same fasterner set -- the nut would be one while the head of the bolt would be another. In many cases, the sizes were close, but we definitely got a better fit from one socket instead of the other. "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:es4n33$db9$1@aioe.org... > OK, yeah they're stuck. The flats, not the threads, are the problem and > have indeed rounded off. Although I guess the threads are the problem > too, as they are stuck (not stripped :p ) > Thanks, Jeff - any suggestions? > > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> Are they stripped or stuck? >> >> Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, but >> I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, I'd >> say the two are completely different problems. >> >> Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This >> implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck). >> >> >> >> >> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >> news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... >>> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but >>> here goes. >>> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 >>> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like >>> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. >>> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and >>> a half. >>> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and >>> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping >>> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's >>> more like they deform, like they're made of lead. >>> >>> some crappy pictures here: >>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ >>> >>> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding >>> nuts on top is my best option. >>> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. >>> How should I do this without damaging the studs? >> |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Well, I have no _good_ ideas, except that is it possible that you are using
a fraction wrench when you should be using a metric wrench? If your selected fraction is a bit oversize, and the nuts are stuck tight, then the likely result will be rounded corners. I'd suggest trying some other sizes that are not intuitive, maybe an 17mm instead of 3/4". I'd also try a 1/2" drive with a breaker bar and perhaps a length of pipe to give you added leverage. I also suggest a good squirt of Liquid Wrench, and allow it to soak in overnight. I am not sure what the actual size is of the lug nuts, but I think there is a good chance you assume fraction sizes where your selection should be metric. They use a size called USO that tries to use universal (metric and fraction) sizes that compliment one another. Having said that, I helped a buddy install a lift kit to his TJ, and we found that there were a wide mixture of metric and fraction sizes, occasionally on the same fasterner set -- the nut would be one while the head of the bolt would be another. In many cases, the sizes were close, but we definitely got a better fit from one socket instead of the other. "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:es4n33$db9$1@aioe.org... > OK, yeah they're stuck. The flats, not the threads, are the problem and > have indeed rounded off. Although I guess the threads are the problem > too, as they are stuck (not stripped :p ) > Thanks, Jeff - any suggestions? > > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> Are they stripped or stuck? >> >> Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, but >> I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, I'd >> say the two are completely different problems. >> >> Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This >> implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck). >> >> >> >> >> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >> news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... >>> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but >>> here goes. >>> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 >>> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like >>> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. >>> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and >>> a half. >>> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and >>> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping >>> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's >>> more like they deform, like they're made of lead. >>> >>> some crappy pictures here: >>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ >>> >>> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding >>> nuts on top is my best option. >>> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. >>> How should I do this without damaging the studs? >> |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Well, I have no _good_ ideas, except that is it possible that you are using
a fraction wrench when you should be using a metric wrench? If your selected fraction is a bit oversize, and the nuts are stuck tight, then the likely result will be rounded corners. I'd suggest trying some other sizes that are not intuitive, maybe an 17mm instead of 3/4". I'd also try a 1/2" drive with a breaker bar and perhaps a length of pipe to give you added leverage. I also suggest a good squirt of Liquid Wrench, and allow it to soak in overnight. I am not sure what the actual size is of the lug nuts, but I think there is a good chance you assume fraction sizes where your selection should be metric. They use a size called USO that tries to use universal (metric and fraction) sizes that compliment one another. Having said that, I helped a buddy install a lift kit to his TJ, and we found that there were a wide mixture of metric and fraction sizes, occasionally on the same fasterner set -- the nut would be one while the head of the bolt would be another. In many cases, the sizes were close, but we definitely got a better fit from one socket instead of the other. "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:es4n33$db9$1@aioe.org... > OK, yeah they're stuck. The flats, not the threads, are the problem and > have indeed rounded off. Although I guess the threads are the problem > too, as they are stuck (not stripped :p ) > Thanks, Jeff - any suggestions? > > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> Are they stripped or stuck? >> >> Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, but >> I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, I'd >> say the two are completely different problems. >> >> Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This >> implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck). >> >> >> >> >> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >> news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... >>> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but >>> here goes. >>> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 >>> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like >>> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. >>> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and >>> a half. >>> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and >>> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping >>> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's >>> more like they deform, like they're made of lead. >>> >>> some crappy pictures here: >>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ >>> >>> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding >>> nuts on top is my best option. >>> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. >>> How should I do this without damaging the studs? >> |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Those are the correct sizes.
You can get reverse sockets now. They have a spiral grip bit and grab harder the harder you turn. I have heard those do good things. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) The Merg wrote: > The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes, > nothing else fit > > twaldron wrote: >> Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If >> you try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up >> rounding them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or >> completely off. >> >> tw >> |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Those are the correct sizes.
You can get reverse sockets now. They have a spiral grip bit and grab harder the harder you turn. I have heard those do good things. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) The Merg wrote: > The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes, > nothing else fit > > twaldron wrote: >> Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If >> you try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up >> rounding them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or >> completely off. >> >> tw >> |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Those are the correct sizes.
You can get reverse sockets now. They have a spiral grip bit and grab harder the harder you turn. I have heard those do good things. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) The Merg wrote: > The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes, > nothing else fit > > twaldron wrote: >> Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If >> you try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up >> rounding them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or >> completely off. >> >> tw >> |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Greg,
I've had better luck just grabbing the stainless cap (once it has become loose) and pulling it off -- the same rust that loosens them balloons the cap and then you think it's a 1/16 larger than it's supposed to be....but if you're stuck, they sell a tool just for that job (or security lugnuts without a key, etc.). Most auto parts stores have 'em, they have an internally fluted end that grabs the outside of the nut and does the job as you turn. Just make sure the stainless cap is off; it fits in the wheel (some have two sizes on one socket); and go to town -- hit it like you mean it. Don't forget to buy one-piece replacement nuts if you liked the chrome, you're in for 20. Looks like this one, makes life easy: http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/lt4200a.html If you're willing to pay, any shop will zip them off with this tool or something similar. Jon |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Greg,
I've had better luck just grabbing the stainless cap (once it has become loose) and pulling it off -- the same rust that loosens them balloons the cap and then you think it's a 1/16 larger than it's supposed to be....but if you're stuck, they sell a tool just for that job (or security lugnuts without a key, etc.). Most auto parts stores have 'em, they have an internally fluted end that grabs the outside of the nut and does the job as you turn. Just make sure the stainless cap is off; it fits in the wheel (some have two sizes on one socket); and go to town -- hit it like you mean it. Don't forget to buy one-piece replacement nuts if you liked the chrome, you're in for 20. Looks like this one, makes life easy: http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/lt4200a.html If you're willing to pay, any shop will zip them off with this tool or something similar. Jon |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Greg,
I've had better luck just grabbing the stainless cap (once it has become loose) and pulling it off -- the same rust that loosens them balloons the cap and then you think it's a 1/16 larger than it's supposed to be....but if you're stuck, they sell a tool just for that job (or security lugnuts without a key, etc.). Most auto parts stores have 'em, they have an internally fluted end that grabs the outside of the nut and does the job as you turn. Just make sure the stainless cap is off; it fits in the wheel (some have two sizes on one socket); and go to town -- hit it like you mean it. Don't forget to buy one-piece replacement nuts if you liked the chrome, you're in for 20. Looks like this one, makes life easy: http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/lt4200a.html If you're willing to pay, any shop will zip them off with this tool or something similar. Jon |
Re: stripped lugnuts
On Feb 28, 3:17 pm, The Merg <greg.merg...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes, > nothing else fit > > > > twaldron wrote: > > Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you > > try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding > > them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off. > > > tw- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Have you tried heating them? Also, I once had some stuck lug nuts and I found I could get better leverage with a large cross + lung wrench than with a breaker bar. |
Re: stripped lugnuts
On Feb 28, 3:17 pm, The Merg <greg.merg...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes, > nothing else fit > > > > twaldron wrote: > > Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you > > try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding > > them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off. > > > tw- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Have you tried heating them? Also, I once had some stuck lug nuts and I found I could get better leverage with a large cross + lung wrench than with a breaker bar. |
Re: stripped lugnuts
On Feb 28, 3:17 pm, The Merg <greg.merg...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes, > nothing else fit > > > > twaldron wrote: > > Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you > > try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding > > them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off. > > > tw- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Have you tried heating them? Also, I once had some stuck lug nuts and I found I could get better leverage with a large cross + lung wrench than with a breaker bar. |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Acht! Good work beating me to the punch.
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Re: stripped lugnuts
Acht! Good work beating me to the punch.
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Re: stripped lugnuts
Acht! Good work beating me to the punch.
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Re: stripped lugnuts
I replaced mine with the 1 piece solid long chrome lugnuts. If you
want my old 2 piece lugnuts you can have them (2 sets). Now that you have the cheap caps ripped off and you are left with regular lugnuts, use the proper size wrench to remove them. you will need to soak them for a day or 2 with good petetrating oil (not WD40). Use a good cross or breaker bar with a long pipe on it. Put some pressure on it and have a buddy hold a flat piece of metal over the exposed end of the cross and whack it with a 3 pound mallet. If that doesen't work, repeat with a little more pressure and a heaver mallet. When I put the lugnuts on, I put a little "fluid film"TM on the threads and torque them properly. Don't use a gun, always use a torque wrench. Retorque after 1 week. Merrill On Feb 28, 1:34 pm, The Merg <greg.merg...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: > I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but > here goes. > The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 > of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like > really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. > I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and > a half. > I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and > basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping > the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's > more like they deform, like they're made of lead. > > some crappy pictures here:http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ > > I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding > nuts on top is my best option. > I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. > How should I do this without damaging the studs? |
Re: stripped lugnuts
I replaced mine with the 1 piece solid long chrome lugnuts. If you
want my old 2 piece lugnuts you can have them (2 sets). Now that you have the cheap caps ripped off and you are left with regular lugnuts, use the proper size wrench to remove them. you will need to soak them for a day or 2 with good petetrating oil (not WD40). Use a good cross or breaker bar with a long pipe on it. Put some pressure on it and have a buddy hold a flat piece of metal over the exposed end of the cross and whack it with a 3 pound mallet. If that doesen't work, repeat with a little more pressure and a heaver mallet. When I put the lugnuts on, I put a little "fluid film"TM on the threads and torque them properly. Don't use a gun, always use a torque wrench. Retorque after 1 week. Merrill On Feb 28, 1:34 pm, The Merg <greg.merg...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: > I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but > here goes. > The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 > of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like > really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. > I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and > a half. > I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and > basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping > the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's > more like they deform, like they're made of lead. > > some crappy pictures here:http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ > > I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding > nuts on top is my best option. > I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. > How should I do this without damaging the studs? |
Re: stripped lugnuts
I replaced mine with the 1 piece solid long chrome lugnuts. If you
want my old 2 piece lugnuts you can have them (2 sets). Now that you have the cheap caps ripped off and you are left with regular lugnuts, use the proper size wrench to remove them. you will need to soak them for a day or 2 with good petetrating oil (not WD40). Use a good cross or breaker bar with a long pipe on it. Put some pressure on it and have a buddy hold a flat piece of metal over the exposed end of the cross and whack it with a 3 pound mallet. If that doesen't work, repeat with a little more pressure and a heaver mallet. When I put the lugnuts on, I put a little "fluid film"TM on the threads and torque them properly. Don't use a gun, always use a torque wrench. Retorque after 1 week. Merrill On Feb 28, 1:34 pm, The Merg <greg.merg...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: > I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but > here goes. > The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 > of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like > really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. > I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and > a half. > I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and > basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping > the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's > more like they deform, like they're made of lead. > > some crappy pictures here:http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ > > I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding > nuts on top is my best option. > I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. > How should I do this without damaging the studs? |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Curious, where did you find the 'wet' torque values for your lug nuts?
If you are promoting a fluid on the threads, you should post the torque settings too or it is bad information. There is a 'radical' difference in the torque values on a dry nut and stud vs a wet one and the books give dry.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) merrill wrote: > I replaced mine with the 1 piece solid long chrome lugnuts. If you > want my old 2 piece lugnuts you can have them (2 sets). > > Now that you have the cheap caps ripped off and you are left with > regular lugnuts, use the proper size wrench to remove them. you will > need to soak them for a day or 2 with good petetrating oil (not WD40). > Use a good cross or breaker bar with a long pipe on it. Put some > pressure on it and have a buddy hold a flat piece of metal over the > exposed end of the cross and whack it with a 3 pound mallet. If that > doesen't work, repeat with a little more pressure and a heaver mallet. > > When I put the lugnuts on, I put a little "fluid film"TM on the > threads and torque them properly. Don't use a gun, always use a torque > wrench. Retorque after 1 week. > > Merrill > > > On Feb 28, 1:34 pm, The Merg <greg.merg...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: >> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but >> here goes. >> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 >> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like >> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. >> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and >> a half. >> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and >> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping >> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's >> more like they deform, like they're made of lead. >> >> some crappy pictures here:http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ >> >> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding >> nuts on top is my best option. >> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. >> How should I do this without damaging the studs? > |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Curious, where did you find the 'wet' torque values for your lug nuts?
If you are promoting a fluid on the threads, you should post the torque settings too or it is bad information. There is a 'radical' difference in the torque values on a dry nut and stud vs a wet one and the books give dry.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) merrill wrote: > I replaced mine with the 1 piece solid long chrome lugnuts. If you > want my old 2 piece lugnuts you can have them (2 sets). > > Now that you have the cheap caps ripped off and you are left with > regular lugnuts, use the proper size wrench to remove them. you will > need to soak them for a day or 2 with good petetrating oil (not WD40). > Use a good cross or breaker bar with a long pipe on it. Put some > pressure on it and have a buddy hold a flat piece of metal over the > exposed end of the cross and whack it with a 3 pound mallet. If that > doesen't work, repeat with a little more pressure and a heaver mallet. > > When I put the lugnuts on, I put a little "fluid film"TM on the > threads and torque them properly. Don't use a gun, always use a torque > wrench. Retorque after 1 week. > > Merrill > > > On Feb 28, 1:34 pm, The Merg <greg.merg...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: >> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but >> here goes. >> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 >> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like >> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. >> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and >> a half. >> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and >> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping >> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's >> more like they deform, like they're made of lead. >> >> some crappy pictures here:http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ >> >> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding >> nuts on top is my best option. >> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. >> How should I do this without damaging the studs? > |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Curious, where did you find the 'wet' torque values for your lug nuts?
If you are promoting a fluid on the threads, you should post the torque settings too or it is bad information. There is a 'radical' difference in the torque values on a dry nut and stud vs a wet one and the books give dry.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) merrill wrote: > I replaced mine with the 1 piece solid long chrome lugnuts. If you > want my old 2 piece lugnuts you can have them (2 sets). > > Now that you have the cheap caps ripped off and you are left with > regular lugnuts, use the proper size wrench to remove them. you will > need to soak them for a day or 2 with good petetrating oil (not WD40). > Use a good cross or breaker bar with a long pipe on it. Put some > pressure on it and have a buddy hold a flat piece of metal over the > exposed end of the cross and whack it with a 3 pound mallet. If that > doesen't work, repeat with a little more pressure and a heaver mallet. > > When I put the lugnuts on, I put a little "fluid film"TM on the > threads and torque them properly. Don't use a gun, always use a torque > wrench. Retorque after 1 week. > > Merrill > > > On Feb 28, 1:34 pm, The Merg <greg.merg...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: >> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but >> here goes. >> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 >> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like >> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. >> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and >> a half. >> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and >> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping >> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's >> more like they deform, like they're made of lead. >> >> some crappy pictures here:http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ >> >> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding >> nuts on top is my best option. >> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. >> How should I do this without damaging the studs? > |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Those are the long lug and too small for a four wheeler nuts at 3/4"
socket with that stupid beauty cap, that are illegal to run on a drag strip. Real Jeeps come stock with at least 13/16". Which as you found out are not very strong out at their ends. Especially when the ones you're working on were left too lose and pended the treads against the stud. This time use a deep socket to get down to the lever where the nut is brace against the stud and tighten a quarter turn to remove the galled treads, then remove. Next time use a torque wrench to double check, they are tight enough. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... > I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but > here goes. > The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 > of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like > really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. > I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and > a half. > I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and > basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping > the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's > more like they deform, like they're made of lead. > > some crappy pictures here: > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ > > I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding > nuts on top is my best option. > I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. > How should I do this without damaging the studs? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Those are the long lug and too small for a four wheeler nuts at 3/4"
socket with that stupid beauty cap, that are illegal to run on a drag strip. Real Jeeps come stock with at least 13/16". Which as you found out are not very strong out at their ends. Especially when the ones you're working on were left too lose and pended the treads against the stud. This time use a deep socket to get down to the lever where the nut is brace against the stud and tighten a quarter turn to remove the galled treads, then remove. Next time use a torque wrench to double check, they are tight enough. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... > I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but > here goes. > The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 > of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like > really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. > I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and > a half. > I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and > basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping > the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's > more like they deform, like they're made of lead. > > some crappy pictures here: > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ > > I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding > nuts on top is my best option. > I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. > How should I do this without damaging the studs? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: stripped lugnuts
Those are the long lug and too small for a four wheeler nuts at 3/4"
socket with that stupid beauty cap, that are illegal to run on a drag strip. Real Jeeps come stock with at least 13/16". Which as you found out are not very strong out at their ends. Especially when the ones you're working on were left too lose and pended the treads against the stud. This time use a deep socket to get down to the lever where the nut is brace against the stud and tighten a quarter turn to remove the galled treads, then remove. Next time use a torque wrench to double check, they are tight enough. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org... > I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but > here goes. > The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5 > of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like > really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap. > I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and > a half. > I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and > basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping > the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's > more like they deform, like they're made of lead. > > some crappy pictures here: > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/ > > I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding > nuts on top is my best option. > I'm afraid to drill because of the studs. > How should I do this without damaging the studs? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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