Re: Strange no start, 88 Cherokee. Update...
 

My CJ7 was just like that. It was at the point where I had to have
someone lift up on my rear tail light so I could close my door....

All fiberglass now and not only did I get looks using a come-a-long
hooked to a big tree in my driveway to swap tubs and engines, they
called the city several times. Got on first name basis with the guy,
LOL! I was doing everything right.... His last trip was when they
reported me for putting up my bug/rain tent over top of the CJ. He
looked, laughed and said I wouldn't be bothered again.

I gotta get some floors into the Cherokee before my wife gets pulled
over. If they lift the carpet they would freak. There is 'literally'
nothing there.... Had a 'friend' mention once again yesterday he was
coming by to put them in like he promised us last fall, so we can only
hope....

Gotta make some rockers for it, I liked that rectangle tube someone
posted about the other day. I will likely go that route if there is
enough metal left there to weld to. Otherwise, steel reinforced
fiberglass. 1" x 1/16" or so strapping sandwiched in glass will hold up
nice and make the edge. I have a wire feed 'mig' welder so could angle
two straps for a nice corner shape.

Mike


Will Honea wrote:
>
> The old Scout I bought up in Wisconsin was like that - it was an
> auction from the Dept. of Natural Resources they had beefed up to haul
> snowmobiles. 9 leaf front springs, 7 rear, rode like a rock wagon.
> Funny part was, the floors were all shot to hell but the frame and the
> rest of the body was great. Only other rust was about halfway up the
> side of the driver's side gas tank. I sure got some strange looks
> when I lifted the body off in the carport of my place in Officers qtrs
> at the Air Force Academy and proceded to use 2 full sheets of 16 ga.
> cold roll and 5 gallons of roofing tar to replace the whole darned
> floor plate. If someone tried that now they would probably have the
> EPA, OSHA, and half a dozen other acronyms on their back within
> minutes.
>
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:33:35 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > LOL!
> >
> > Salt all the way. The complete bottom of the Cherokee is about finished
> > because of it. Well I guess finished isn't the right word, it's just
> > plain gone from the door sills down....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Will Honea wrote:
> > >
> > > You sure that's not the Newfie bogs still getting even with you? Ah!
> > > forgot, this is the XJ, not the CJ. Maybe it's catching?
> > >
> > > On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 03:07:46 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Man do I hate salt, it eats everything!
> > > >
> > > > The starter relay up by the battery doesn't put out to the starter
> > > > solenoid. It has input and really corroded rivets that hold the spades
> > > > on and one is arced. I am going to clean it and I inspected it inside,
> > > > it is good, I will solder the rivets to give it a good connection again.
> > > >
> > > > But even then putting power to the starter solenoid trigger only gave me
> > > > some sparks, no starter turning... Grrr.
> > > >
> > > > So my son pulls the starter out and we look at it and look and well,
> > > > that big copper mesh cable from the solenoid to the inside of the
> > > > starter has crystallized! It has literally crumbled to crumbs....
> > > >
> > > > I used booster cables and got some power to it after the crumble and the
> > > > starter spins up just fine....
> > > >
> > > > I am going to open it up to replace the cable and clean or refresh what
> > > > is needed like brushes while it's off.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the ideas folks.
> > > >
> > > > Man do I hate salt.....
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, why do my Jeeps always come up with the strange problems???
> > > > >
> > > > > So my wife calls ands says she accidentally went to start our 88
> > > > > Cherokee in gear and it bumped to take off but she shut it down before
> > > > > it could start.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, that was it, it is dead. I just had to go over to her work and we
> > > > > push started it so I brought it home.
> > > > >
> > > > > It has 12.39V in the battery and only drops a couple tenths when you try
> > > > > the starter.
> > > > >
> > > > > The starter solenoid is not getting power on the trigger wire according
> > > > > to my multimeter when the key is in start. I tried the grounds with
> > > > > booster cable, no joy, all the fuses seem fine, I played mix and match
> > > > > with all the relays near the battery, they appear fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone got any guesses?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > --
> > > Will Honea
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Strange no start, 88 Cherokee. Update...
 

My CJ7 was just like that. It was at the point where I had to have
someone lift up on my rear tail light so I could close my door....

All fiberglass now and not only did I get looks using a come-a-long
hooked to a big tree in my driveway to swap tubs and engines, they
called the city several times. Got on first name basis with the guy,
LOL! I was doing everything right.... His last trip was when they
reported me for putting up my bug/rain tent over top of the CJ. He
looked, laughed and said I wouldn't be bothered again.

I gotta get some floors into the Cherokee before my wife gets pulled
over. If they lift the carpet they would freak. There is 'literally'
nothing there.... Had a 'friend' mention once again yesterday he was
coming by to put them in like he promised us last fall, so we can only
hope....

Gotta make some rockers for it, I liked that rectangle tube someone
posted about the other day. I will likely go that route if there is
enough metal left there to weld to. Otherwise, steel reinforced
fiberglass. 1" x 1/16" or so strapping sandwiched in glass will hold up
nice and make the edge. I have a wire feed 'mig' welder so could angle
two straps for a nice corner shape.

Mike


Will Honea wrote:
>
> The old Scout I bought up in Wisconsin was like that - it was an
> auction from the Dept. of Natural Resources they had beefed up to haul
> snowmobiles. 9 leaf front springs, 7 rear, rode like a rock wagon.
> Funny part was, the floors were all shot to hell but the frame and the
> rest of the body was great. Only other rust was about halfway up the
> side of the driver's side gas tank. I sure got some strange looks
> when I lifted the body off in the carport of my place in Officers qtrs
> at the Air Force Academy and proceded to use 2 full sheets of 16 ga.
> cold roll and 5 gallons of roofing tar to replace the whole darned
> floor plate. If someone tried that now they would probably have the
> EPA, OSHA, and half a dozen other acronyms on their back within
> minutes.
>
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:33:35 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > LOL!
> >
> > Salt all the way. The complete bottom of the Cherokee is about finished
> > because of it. Well I guess finished isn't the right word, it's just
> > plain gone from the door sills down....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Will Honea wrote:
> > >
> > > You sure that's not the Newfie bogs still getting even with you? Ah!
> > > forgot, this is the XJ, not the CJ. Maybe it's catching?
> > >
> > > On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 03:07:46 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Man do I hate salt, it eats everything!
> > > >
> > > > The starter relay up by the battery doesn't put out to the starter
> > > > solenoid. It has input and really corroded rivets that hold the spades
> > > > on and one is arced. I am going to clean it and I inspected it inside,
> > > > it is good, I will solder the rivets to give it a good connection again.
> > > >
> > > > But even then putting power to the starter solenoid trigger only gave me
> > > > some sparks, no starter turning... Grrr.
> > > >
> > > > So my son pulls the starter out and we look at it and look and well,
> > > > that big copper mesh cable from the solenoid to the inside of the
> > > > starter has crystallized! It has literally crumbled to crumbs....
> > > >
> > > > I used booster cables and got some power to it after the crumble and the
> > > > starter spins up just fine....
> > > >
> > > > I am going to open it up to replace the cable and clean or refresh what
> > > > is needed like brushes while it's off.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the ideas folks.
> > > >
> > > > Man do I hate salt.....
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, why do my Jeeps always come up with the strange problems???
> > > > >
> > > > > So my wife calls ands says she accidentally went to start our 88
> > > > > Cherokee in gear and it bumped to take off but she shut it down before
> > > > > it could start.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, that was it, it is dead. I just had to go over to her work and we
> > > > > push started it so I brought it home.
> > > > >
> > > > > It has 12.39V in the battery and only drops a couple tenths when you try
> > > > > the starter.
> > > > >
> > > > > The starter solenoid is not getting power on the trigger wire according
> > > > > to my multimeter when the key is in start. I tried the grounds with
> > > > > booster cable, no joy, all the fuses seem fine, I played mix and match
> > > > > with all the relays near the battery, they appear fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone got any guesses?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > --
> > > Will Honea
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Strange no start, 88 Cherokee. Update...
 

My CJ7 was just like that. It was at the point where I had to have
someone lift up on my rear tail light so I could close my door....

All fiberglass now and not only did I get looks using a come-a-long
hooked to a big tree in my driveway to swap tubs and engines, they
called the city several times. Got on first name basis with the guy,
LOL! I was doing everything right.... His last trip was when they
reported me for putting up my bug/rain tent over top of the CJ. He
looked, laughed and said I wouldn't be bothered again.

I gotta get some floors into the Cherokee before my wife gets pulled
over. If they lift the carpet they would freak. There is 'literally'
nothing there.... Had a 'friend' mention once again yesterday he was
coming by to put them in like he promised us last fall, so we can only
hope....

Gotta make some rockers for it, I liked that rectangle tube someone
posted about the other day. I will likely go that route if there is
enough metal left there to weld to. Otherwise, steel reinforced
fiberglass. 1" x 1/16" or so strapping sandwiched in glass will hold up
nice and make the edge. I have a wire feed 'mig' welder so could angle
two straps for a nice corner shape.

Mike


Will Honea wrote:
>
> The old Scout I bought up in Wisconsin was like that - it was an
> auction from the Dept. of Natural Resources they had beefed up to haul
> snowmobiles. 9 leaf front springs, 7 rear, rode like a rock wagon.
> Funny part was, the floors were all shot to hell but the frame and the
> rest of the body was great. Only other rust was about halfway up the
> side of the driver's side gas tank. I sure got some strange looks
> when I lifted the body off in the carport of my place in Officers qtrs
> at the Air Force Academy and proceded to use 2 full sheets of 16 ga.
> cold roll and 5 gallons of roofing tar to replace the whole darned
> floor plate. If someone tried that now they would probably have the
> EPA, OSHA, and half a dozen other acronyms on their back within
> minutes.
>
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:33:35 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > LOL!
> >
> > Salt all the way. The complete bottom of the Cherokee is about finished
> > because of it. Well I guess finished isn't the right word, it's just
> > plain gone from the door sills down....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Will Honea wrote:
> > >
> > > You sure that's not the Newfie bogs still getting even with you? Ah!
> > > forgot, this is the XJ, not the CJ. Maybe it's catching?
> > >
> > > On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 03:07:46 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Man do I hate salt, it eats everything!
> > > >
> > > > The starter relay up by the battery doesn't put out to the starter
> > > > solenoid. It has input and really corroded rivets that hold the spades
> > > > on and one is arced. I am going to clean it and I inspected it inside,
> > > > it is good, I will solder the rivets to give it a good connection again.
> > > >
> > > > But even then putting power to the starter solenoid trigger only gave me
> > > > some sparks, no starter turning... Grrr.
> > > >
> > > > So my son pulls the starter out and we look at it and look and well,
> > > > that big copper mesh cable from the solenoid to the inside of the
> > > > starter has crystallized! It has literally crumbled to crumbs....
> > > >
> > > > I used booster cables and got some power to it after the crumble and the
> > > > starter spins up just fine....
> > > >
> > > > I am going to open it up to replace the cable and clean or refresh what
> > > > is needed like brushes while it's off.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the ideas folks.
> > > >
> > > > Man do I hate salt.....
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, why do my Jeeps always come up with the strange problems???
> > > > >
> > > > > So my wife calls ands says she accidentally went to start our 88
> > > > > Cherokee in gear and it bumped to take off but she shut it down before
> > > > > it could start.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, that was it, it is dead. I just had to go over to her work and we
> > > > > push started it so I brought it home.
> > > > >
> > > > > It has 12.39V in the battery and only drops a couple tenths when you try
> > > > > the starter.
> > > > >
> > > > > The starter solenoid is not getting power on the trigger wire according
> > > > > to my multimeter when the key is in start. I tried the grounds with
> > > > > booster cable, no joy, all the fuses seem fine, I played mix and match
> > > > > with all the relays near the battery, they appear fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone got any guesses?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > --
> > > Will Honea
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Strange no start, 88 Cherokee. Update...
 

My CJ7 was just like that. It was at the point where I had to have
someone lift up on my rear tail light so I could close my door....

All fiberglass now and not only did I get looks using a come-a-long
hooked to a big tree in my driveway to swap tubs and engines, they
called the city several times. Got on first name basis with the guy,
LOL! I was doing everything right.... His last trip was when they
reported me for putting up my bug/rain tent over top of the CJ. He
looked, laughed and said I wouldn't be bothered again.

I gotta get some floors into the Cherokee before my wife gets pulled
over. If they lift the carpet they would freak. There is 'literally'
nothing there.... Had a 'friend' mention once again yesterday he was
coming by to put them in like he promised us last fall, so we can only
hope....

Gotta make some rockers for it, I liked that rectangle tube someone
posted about the other day. I will likely go that route if there is
enough metal left there to weld to. Otherwise, steel reinforced
fiberglass. 1" x 1/16" or so strapping sandwiched in glass will hold up
nice and make the edge. I have a wire feed 'mig' welder so could angle
two straps for a nice corner shape.

Mike


Will Honea wrote:
>
> The old Scout I bought up in Wisconsin was like that - it was an
> auction from the Dept. of Natural Resources they had beefed up to haul
> snowmobiles. 9 leaf front springs, 7 rear, rode like a rock wagon.
> Funny part was, the floors were all shot to hell but the frame and the
> rest of the body was great. Only other rust was about halfway up the
> side of the driver's side gas tank. I sure got some strange looks
> when I lifted the body off in the carport of my place in Officers qtrs
> at the Air Force Academy and proceded to use 2 full sheets of 16 ga.
> cold roll and 5 gallons of roofing tar to replace the whole darned
> floor plate. If someone tried that now they would probably have the
> EPA, OSHA, and half a dozen other acronyms on their back within
> minutes.
>
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:33:35 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > LOL!
> >
> > Salt all the way. The complete bottom of the Cherokee is about finished
> > because of it. Well I guess finished isn't the right word, it's just
> > plain gone from the door sills down....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Will Honea wrote:
> > >
> > > You sure that's not the Newfie bogs still getting even with you? Ah!
> > > forgot, this is the XJ, not the CJ. Maybe it's catching?
> > >
> > > On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 03:07:46 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Man do I hate salt, it eats everything!
> > > >
> > > > The starter relay up by the battery doesn't put out to the starter
> > > > solenoid. It has input and really corroded rivets that hold the spades
> > > > on and one is arced. I am going to clean it and I inspected it inside,
> > > > it is good, I will solder the rivets to give it a good connection again.
> > > >
> > > > But even then putting power to the starter solenoid trigger only gave me
> > > > some sparks, no starter turning... Grrr.
> > > >
> > > > So my son pulls the starter out and we look at it and look and well,
> > > > that big copper mesh cable from the solenoid to the inside of the
> > > > starter has crystallized! It has literally crumbled to crumbs....
> > > >
> > > > I used booster cables and got some power to it after the crumble and the
> > > > starter spins up just fine....
> > > >
> > > > I am going to open it up to replace the cable and clean or refresh what
> > > > is needed like brushes while it's off.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the ideas folks.
> > > >
> > > > Man do I hate salt.....
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, why do my Jeeps always come up with the strange problems???
> > > > >
> > > > > So my wife calls ands says she accidentally went to start our 88
> > > > > Cherokee in gear and it bumped to take off but she shut it down before
> > > > > it could start.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, that was it, it is dead. I just had to go over to her work and we
> > > > > push started it so I brought it home.
> > > > >
> > > > > It has 12.39V in the battery and only drops a couple tenths when you try
> > > > > the starter.
> > > > >
> > > > > The starter solenoid is not getting power on the trigger wire according
> > > > > to my multimeter when the key is in start. I tried the grounds with
> > > > > booster cable, no joy, all the fuses seem fine, I played mix and match
> > > > > with all the relays near the battery, they appear fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone got any guesses?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > --
> > > Will Honea
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Strange no start, 88 Cherokee. Update...
 

Make it a Rocker Panel & Floor party in July lol Im still checking with
the boss to ensure I can make it.

Snow...

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4255A581.6D4826B1@sympatico.ca...
> My CJ7 was just like that. It was at the point where I had to have
> someone lift up on my rear tail light so I could close my door....
>
> All fiberglass now and not only did I get looks using a come-a-long
> hooked to a big tree in my driveway to swap tubs and engines, they
> called the city several times. Got on first name basis with the guy,
> LOL! I was doing everything right.... His last trip was when they
> reported me for putting up my bug/rain tent over top of the CJ. He
> looked, laughed and said I wouldn't be bothered again.
>
> I gotta get some floors into the Cherokee before my wife gets pulled
> over. If they lift the carpet they would freak. There is 'literally'
> nothing there.... Had a 'friend' mention once again yesterday he was
> coming by to put them in like he promised us last fall, so we can only
> hope....
>
> Gotta make some rockers for it, I liked that rectangle tube someone
> posted about the other day. I will likely go that route if there is
> enough metal left there to weld to. Otherwise, steel reinforced
> fiberglass. 1" x 1/16" or so strapping sandwiched in glass will hold up
> nice and make the edge. I have a wire feed 'mig' welder so could angle
> two straps for a nice corner shape.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Will Honea wrote:
>>
>> The old Scout I bought up in Wisconsin was like that - it was an
>> auction from the Dept. of Natural Resources they had beefed up to haul
>> snowmobiles. 9 leaf front springs, 7 rear, rode like a rock wagon.
>> Funny part was, the floors were all shot to hell but the frame and the
>> rest of the body was great. Only other rust was about halfway up the
>> side of the driver's side gas tank. I sure got some strange looks
>> when I lifted the body off in the carport of my place in Officers qtrs
>> at the Air Force Academy and proceded to use 2 full sheets of 16 ga.
>> cold roll and 5 gallons of roofing tar to replace the whole darned
>> floor plate. If someone tried that now they would probably have the
>> EPA, OSHA, and half a dozen other acronyms on their back within
>> minutes.
>>
>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:33:35 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > LOL!
>> >
>> > Salt all the way. The complete bottom of the Cherokee is about
>> > finished
>> > because of it. Well I guess finished isn't the right word, it's just
>> > plain gone from the door sills down....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Will Honea wrote:
>> > >
>> > > You sure that's not the Newfie bogs still getting even with you? Ah!
>> > > forgot, this is the XJ, not the CJ. Maybe it's catching?
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 03:07:46 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Man do I hate salt, it eats everything!
>> > > >
>> > > > The starter relay up by the battery doesn't put out to the starter
>> > > > solenoid. It has input and really corroded rivets that hold the
>> > > > spades
>> > > > on and one is arced. I am going to clean it and I inspected it
>> > > > inside,
>> > > > it is good, I will solder the rivets to give it a good connection
>> > > > again.
>> > > >
>> > > > But even then putting power to the starter solenoid trigger only
>> > > > gave me
>> > > > some sparks, no starter turning... Grrr.
>> > > >
>> > > > So my son pulls the starter out and we look at it and look and
>> > > > well,
>> > > > that big copper mesh cable from the solenoid to the inside of the
>> > > > starter has crystallized! It has literally crumbled to crumbs....
>> > > >
>> > > > I used booster cables and got some power to it after the crumble
>> > > > and the
>> > > > starter spins up just fine....
>> > > >
>> > > > I am going to open it up to replace the cable and clean or refresh
>> > > > what
>> > > > is needed like brushes while it's off.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks for the ideas folks.
>> > > >
>> > > > Man do I hate salt.....
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Ok, why do my Jeeps always come up with the strange problems???
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So my wife calls ands says she accidentally went to start our 88
>> > > > > Cherokee in gear and it bumped to take off but she shut it down
>> > > > > before
>> > > > > it could start.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Well, that was it, it is dead. I just had to go over to her work
>> > > > > and we
>> > > > > push started it so I brought it home.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It has 12.39V in the battery and only drops a couple tenths when
>> > > > > you try
>> > > > > the starter.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The starter solenoid is not getting power on the trigger wire
>> > > > > according
>> > > > > to my multimeter when the key is in start. I tried the grounds
>> > > > > with
>> > > > > booster cable, no joy, all the fuses seem fine, I played mix and
>> > > > > match
>> > > > > with all the relays near the battery, they appear fine.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Anyone got any guesses?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mike
>> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Will Honea
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea

Re: Strange no start, 88 Cherokee. Update...
 

Make it a Rocker Panel & Floor party in July lol Im still checking with
the boss to ensure I can make it.

Snow...

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4255A581.6D4826B1@sympatico.ca...
> My CJ7 was just like that. It was at the point where I had to have
> someone lift up on my rear tail light so I could close my door....
>
> All fiberglass now and not only did I get looks using a come-a-long
> hooked to a big tree in my driveway to swap tubs and engines, they
> called the city several times. Got on first name basis with the guy,
> LOL! I was doing everything right.... His last trip was when they
> reported me for putting up my bug/rain tent over top of the CJ. He
> looked, laughed and said I wouldn't be bothered again.
>
> I gotta get some floors into the Cherokee before my wife gets pulled
> over. If they lift the carpet they would freak. There is 'literally'
> nothing there.... Had a 'friend' mention once again yesterday he was
> coming by to put them in like he promised us last fall, so we can only
> hope....
>
> Gotta make some rockers for it, I liked that rectangle tube someone
> posted about the other day. I will likely go that route if there is
> enough metal left there to weld to. Otherwise, steel reinforced
> fiberglass. 1" x 1/16" or so strapping sandwiched in glass will hold up
> nice and make the edge. I have a wire feed 'mig' welder so could angle
> two straps for a nice corner shape.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Will Honea wrote:
>>
>> The old Scout I bought up in Wisconsin was like that - it was an
>> auction from the Dept. of Natural Resources they had beefed up to haul
>> snowmobiles. 9 leaf front springs, 7 rear, rode like a rock wagon.
>> Funny part was, the floors were all shot to hell but the frame and the
>> rest of the body was great. Only other rust was about halfway up the
>> side of the driver's side gas tank. I sure got some strange looks
>> when I lifted the body off in the carport of my place in Officers qtrs
>> at the Air Force Academy and proceded to use 2 full sheets of 16 ga.
>> cold roll and 5 gallons of roofing tar to replace the whole darned
>> floor plate. If someone tried that now they would probably have the
>> EPA, OSHA, and half a dozen other acronyms on their back within
>> minutes.
>>
>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:33:35 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > LOL!
>> >
>> > Salt all the way. The complete bottom of the Cherokee is about
>> > finished
>> > because of it. Well I guess finished isn't the right word, it's just
>> > plain gone from the door sills down....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Will Honea wrote:
>> > >
>> > > You sure that's not the Newfie bogs still getting even with you? Ah!
>> > > forgot, this is the XJ, not the CJ. Maybe it's catching?
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 03:07:46 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Man do I hate salt, it eats everything!
>> > > >
>> > > > The starter relay up by the battery doesn't put out to the starter
>> > > > solenoid. It has input and really corroded rivets that hold the
>> > > > spades
>> > > > on and one is arced. I am going to clean it and I inspected it
>> > > > inside,
>> > > > it is good, I will solder the rivets to give it a good connection
>> > > > again.
>> > > >
>> > > > But even then putting power to the starter solenoid trigger only
>> > > > gave me
>> > > > some sparks, no starter turning... Grrr.
>> > > >
>> > > > So my son pulls the starter out and we look at it and look and
>> > > > well,
>> > > > that big copper mesh cable from the solenoid to the inside of the
>> > > > starter has crystallized! It has literally crumbled to crumbs....
>> > > >
>> > > > I used booster cables and got some power to it after the crumble
>> > > > and the
>> > > > starter spins up just fine....
>> > > >
>> > > > I am going to open it up to replace the cable and clean or refresh
>> > > > what
>> > > > is needed like brushes while it's off.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks for the ideas folks.
>> > > >
>> > > > Man do I hate salt.....
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Ok, why do my Jeeps always come up with the strange problems???
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So my wife calls ands says she accidentally went to start our 88
>> > > > > Cherokee in gear and it bumped to take off but she shut it down
>> > > > > before
>> > > > > it could start.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Well, that was it, it is dead. I just had to go over to her work
>> > > > > and we
>> > > > > push started it so I brought it home.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It has 12.39V in the battery and only drops a couple tenths when
>> > > > > you try
>> > > > > the starter.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The starter solenoid is not getting power on the trigger wire
>> > > > > according
>> > > > > to my multimeter when the key is in start. I tried the grounds
>> > > > > with
>> > > > > booster cable, no joy, all the fuses seem fine, I played mix and
>> > > > > match
>> > > > > with all the relays near the battery, they appear fine.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Anyone got any guesses?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mike
>> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Will Honea
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea

Re: Strange no start, 88 Cherokee. Update...
 

Make it a Rocker Panel & Floor party in July lol Im still checking with
the boss to ensure I can make it.

Snow...

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4255A581.6D4826B1@sympatico.ca...
> My CJ7 was just like that. It was at the point where I had to have
> someone lift up on my rear tail light so I could close my door....
>
> All fiberglass now and not only did I get looks using a come-a-long
> hooked to a big tree in my driveway to swap tubs and engines, they
> called the city several times. Got on first name basis with the guy,
> LOL! I was doing everything right.... His last trip was when they
> reported me for putting up my bug/rain tent over top of the CJ. He
> looked, laughed and said I wouldn't be bothered again.
>
> I gotta get some floors into the Cherokee before my wife gets pulled
> over. If they lift the carpet they would freak. There is 'literally'
> nothing there.... Had a 'friend' mention once again yesterday he was
> coming by to put them in like he promised us last fall, so we can only
> hope....
>
> Gotta make some rockers for it, I liked that rectangle tube someone
> posted about the other day. I will likely go that route if there is
> enough metal left there to weld to. Otherwise, steel reinforced
> fiberglass. 1" x 1/16" or so strapping sandwiched in glass will hold up
> nice and make the edge. I have a wire feed 'mig' welder so could angle
> two straps for a nice corner shape.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Will Honea wrote:
>>
>> The old Scout I bought up in Wisconsin was like that - it was an
>> auction from the Dept. of Natural Resources they had beefed up to haul
>> snowmobiles. 9 leaf front springs, 7 rear, rode like a rock wagon.
>> Funny part was, the floors were all shot to hell but the frame and the
>> rest of the body was great. Only other rust was about halfway up the
>> side of the driver's side gas tank. I sure got some strange looks
>> when I lifted the body off in the carport of my place in Officers qtrs
>> at the Air Force Academy and proceded to use 2 full sheets of 16 ga.
>> cold roll and 5 gallons of roofing tar to replace the whole darned
>> floor plate. If someone tried that now they would probably have the
>> EPA, OSHA, and half a dozen other acronyms on their back within
>> minutes.
>>
>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:33:35 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > LOL!
>> >
>> > Salt all the way. The complete bottom of the Cherokee is about
>> > finished
>> > because of it. Well I guess finished isn't the right word, it's just
>> > plain gone from the door sills down....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Will Honea wrote:
>> > >
>> > > You sure that's not the Newfie bogs still getting even with you? Ah!
>> > > forgot, this is the XJ, not the CJ. Maybe it's catching?
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 03:07:46 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Man do I hate salt, it eats everything!
>> > > >
>> > > > The starter relay up by the battery doesn't put out to the starter
>> > > > solenoid. It has input and really corroded rivets that hold the
>> > > > spades
>> > > > on and one is arced. I am going to clean it and I inspected it
>> > > > inside,
>> > > > it is good, I will solder the rivets to give it a good connection
>> > > > again.
>> > > >
>> > > > But even then putting power to the starter solenoid trigger only
>> > > > gave me
>> > > > some sparks, no starter turning... Grrr.
>> > > >
>> > > > So my son pulls the starter out and we look at it and look and
>> > > > well,
>> > > > that big copper mesh cable from the solenoid to the inside of the
>> > > > starter has crystallized! It has literally crumbled to crumbs....
>> > > >
>> > > > I used booster cables and got some power to it after the crumble
>> > > > and the
>> > > > starter spins up just fine....
>> > > >
>> > > > I am going to open it up to replace the cable and clean or refresh
>> > > > what
>> > > > is needed like brushes while it's off.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks for the ideas folks.
>> > > >
>> > > > Man do I hate salt.....
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Ok, why do my Jeeps always come up with the strange problems???
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So my wife calls ands says she accidentally went to start our 88
>> > > > > Cherokee in gear and it bumped to take off but she shut it down
>> > > > > before
>> > > > > it could start.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Well, that was it, it is dead. I just had to go over to her work
>> > > > > and we
>> > > > > push started it so I brought it home.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It has 12.39V in the battery and only drops a couple tenths when
>> > > > > you try
>> > > > > the starter.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The starter solenoid is not getting power on the trigger wire
>> > > > > according
>> > > > > to my multimeter when the key is in start. I tried the grounds
>> > > > > with
>> > > > > booster cable, no joy, all the fuses seem fine, I played mix and
>> > > > > match
>> > > > > with all the relays near the battery, they appear fine.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Anyone got any guesses?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mike
>> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Will Honea
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea

Re: Strange no start, 88 Cherokee. Update...
 

Make it a Rocker Panel & Floor party in July lol Im still checking with
the boss to ensure I can make it.

Snow...

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4255A581.6D4826B1@sympatico.ca...
> My CJ7 was just like that. It was at the point where I had to have
> someone lift up on my rear tail light so I could close my door....
>
> All fiberglass now and not only did I get looks using a come-a-long
> hooked to a big tree in my driveway to swap tubs and engines, they
> called the city several times. Got on first name basis with the guy,
> LOL! I was doing everything right.... His last trip was when they
> reported me for putting up my bug/rain tent over top of the CJ. He
> looked, laughed and said I wouldn't be bothered again.
>
> I gotta get some floors into the Cherokee before my wife gets pulled
> over. If they lift the carpet they would freak. There is 'literally'
> nothing there.... Had a 'friend' mention once again yesterday he was
> coming by to put them in like he promised us last fall, so we can only
> hope....
>
> Gotta make some rockers for it, I liked that rectangle tube someone
> posted about the other day. I will likely go that route if there is
> enough metal left there to weld to. Otherwise, steel reinforced
> fiberglass. 1" x 1/16" or so strapping sandwiched in glass will hold up
> nice and make the edge. I have a wire feed 'mig' welder so could angle
> two straps for a nice corner shape.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Will Honea wrote:
>>
>> The old Scout I bought up in Wisconsin was like that - it was an
>> auction from the Dept. of Natural Resources they had beefed up to haul
>> snowmobiles. 9 leaf front springs, 7 rear, rode like a rock wagon.
>> Funny part was, the floors were all shot to hell but the frame and the
>> rest of the body was great. Only other rust was about halfway up the
>> side of the driver's side gas tank. I sure got some strange looks
>> when I lifted the body off in the carport of my place in Officers qtrs
>> at the Air Force Academy and proceded to use 2 full sheets of 16 ga.
>> cold roll and 5 gallons of roofing tar to replace the whole darned
>> floor plate. If someone tried that now they would probably have the
>> EPA, OSHA, and half a dozen other acronyms on their back within
>> minutes.
>>
>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:33:35 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > LOL!
>> >
>> > Salt all the way. The complete bottom of the Cherokee is about
>> > finished
>> > because of it. Well I guess finished isn't the right word, it's just
>> > plain gone from the door sills down....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Will Honea wrote:
>> > >
>> > > You sure that's not the Newfie bogs still getting even with you? Ah!
>> > > forgot, this is the XJ, not the CJ. Maybe it's catching?
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 03:07:46 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Man do I hate salt, it eats everything!
>> > > >
>> > > > The starter relay up by the battery doesn't put out to the starter
>> > > > solenoid. It has input and really corroded rivets that hold the
>> > > > spades
>> > > > on and one is arced. I am going to clean it and I inspected it
>> > > > inside,
>> > > > it is good, I will solder the rivets to give it a good connection
>> > > > again.
>> > > >
>> > > > But even then putting power to the starter solenoid trigger only
>> > > > gave me
>> > > > some sparks, no starter turning... Grrr.
>> > > >
>> > > > So my son pulls the starter out and we look at it and look and
>> > > > well,
>> > > > that big copper mesh cable from the solenoid to the inside of the
>> > > > starter has crystallized! It has literally crumbled to crumbs....
>> > > >
>> > > > I used booster cables and got some power to it after the crumble
>> > > > and the
>> > > > starter spins up just fine....
>> > > >
>> > > > I am going to open it up to replace the cable and clean or refresh
>> > > > what
>> > > > is needed like brushes while it's off.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks for the ideas folks.
>> > > >
>> > > > Man do I hate salt.....
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Ok, why do my Jeeps always come up with the strange problems???
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So my wife calls ands says she accidentally went to start our 88
>> > > > > Cherokee in gear and it bumped to take off but she shut it down
>> > > > > before
>> > > > > it could start.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Well, that was it, it is dead. I just had to go over to her work
>> > > > > and we
>> > > > > push started it so I brought it home.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It has 12.39V in the battery and only drops a couple tenths when
>> > > > > you try
>> > > > > the starter.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The starter solenoid is not getting power on the trigger wire
>> > > > > according
>> > > > > to my multimeter when the key is in start. I tried the grounds
>> > > > > with
>> > > > > booster cable, no joy, all the fuses seem fine, I played mix and
>> > > > > match
>> > > > > with all the relays near the battery, they appear fine.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Anyone got any guesses?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mike
>> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Will Honea
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea