L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Amber was to reduce the glare, but I can see better with the white
light.
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"Carlo F. Serusa, Jr RPh" wrote:
>
> someone once told me that you can see further with white light - but you can
> be seen from further away with yellow light. I never thought it was
> important enough to spend the time to verify this. It seems to me that if
> the light travels far enough to be seen - you should be able to see????
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang

Mike Romain

There is a 'radical' difference. In fog you can see the yellow lit up
intersection coming for a ways. The white lit ones 'suddenly' appear as
you are right under the light.

Same for oncoming cars. The white light ones just pop out of the fog at
you. The yellow ones gradually appear out of the fog.


Mike

"Carlo F. Serusa, Jr RPh" wrote:
>
> someone once told me that you can see further with white light - but you can
> be seen from further away with yellow light. I never thought it was
> important enough to spend the time to verify this. It seems to me that if
> the light travels far enough to be seen - you should be able to see????
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4395D007.2DEDA3A8@sympatico.ca...
> > I don't know how to take them apart, but if you drive in fog, the yellow
> > light is many orders of magnitude better than the white light. They
> > even use yellow in the highway intersections on the Canadian east coast
> > and on the bridges. There is a radical difference seeing in yellow.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Tomes wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > > My stock fog lights (2002 TJ) found a rock and one of them now has a
> broken
> > > lens. The rock is actually still inside the light. So I need to
> replace
> > > the lens (need to get it inspected this month too). It came with the
> clear
> > > lenses, but I am thinking that I might as well replace them with yellow
> ones
> > > (someone tell me why...). So here are the questions:
> > > 1) It looks like I just torx bolt them off no problem - is this correct?
> > > 2) Where can one get replacement lenses for this? Cost?
> > > 3) Is yellow the thing to do?
> > > Thanks folks,
> > > Tomes

Mike Romain

There is a 'radical' difference. In fog you can see the yellow lit up
intersection coming for a ways. The white lit ones 'suddenly' appear as
you are right under the light.

Same for oncoming cars. The white light ones just pop out of the fog at
you. The yellow ones gradually appear out of the fog.


Mike

"Carlo F. Serusa, Jr RPh" wrote:
>
> someone once told me that you can see further with white light - but you can
> be seen from further away with yellow light. I never thought it was
> important enough to spend the time to verify this. It seems to me that if
> the light travels far enough to be seen - you should be able to see????
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4395D007.2DEDA3A8@sympatico.ca...
> > I don't know how to take them apart, but if you drive in fog, the yellow
> > light is many orders of magnitude better than the white light. They
> > even use yellow in the highway intersections on the Canadian east coast
> > and on the bridges. There is a radical difference seeing in yellow.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Tomes wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > > My stock fog lights (2002 TJ) found a rock and one of them now has a
> broken
> > > lens. The rock is actually still inside the light. So I need to
> replace
> > > the lens (need to get it inspected this month too). It came with the
> clear
> > > lenses, but I am thinking that I might as well replace them with yellow
> ones
> > > (someone tell me why...). So here are the questions:
> > > 1) It looks like I just torx bolt them off no problem - is this correct?
> > > 2) Where can one get replacement lenses for this? Cost?
> > > 3) Is yellow the thing to do?
> > > Thanks folks,
> > > Tomes

Mike Romain

There is a 'radical' difference. In fog you can see the yellow lit up
intersection coming for a ways. The white lit ones 'suddenly' appear as
you are right under the light.

Same for oncoming cars. The white light ones just pop out of the fog at
you. The yellow ones gradually appear out of the fog.


Mike

"Carlo F. Serusa, Jr RPh" wrote:
>
> someone once told me that you can see further with white light - but you can
> be seen from further away with yellow light. I never thought it was
> important enough to spend the time to verify this. It seems to me that if
> the light travels far enough to be seen - you should be able to see????
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4395D007.2DEDA3A8@sympatico.ca...
> > I don't know how to take them apart, but if you drive in fog, the yellow
> > light is many orders of magnitude better than the white light. They
> > even use yellow in the highway intersections on the Canadian east coast
> > and on the bridges. There is a radical difference seeing in yellow.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Tomes wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > > My stock fog lights (2002 TJ) found a rock and one of them now has a
> broken
> > > lens. The rock is actually still inside the light. So I need to
> replace
> > > the lens (need to get it inspected this month too). It came with the
> clear
> > > lenses, but I am thinking that I might as well replace them with yellow
> ones
> > > (someone tell me why...). So here are the questions:
> > > 1) It looks like I just torx bolt them off no problem - is this correct?
> > > 2) Where can one get replacement lenses for this? Cost?
> > > 3) Is yellow the thing to do?
> > > Thanks folks,
> > > Tomes

Lon

This appears to depend on the individual. Some folks prefer a slight
yellow cast, particularly in heavy fog, some appear to prefer a neutral
white beam. More important is a very good lens and shield so you get a
very sharp cutoff on the topside so you get a minimum of backscatter
from the fog into your eyes. The whiter backscatter bothers my
particular eyeballs a bit more than yellow, but some of the best "fog"
lights I've had were the Z-Beam Cibies that were a traditional high
power light with a very very sharp upper cutoff. Worked great in heavy
snow, particularly that really fine blowing stuff..


Mike Romain proclaimed:

> There is a 'radical' difference. In fog you can see the yellow lit up
> intersection coming for a ways. The white lit ones 'suddenly' appear as
> you are right under the light.
>
> Same for oncoming cars. The white light ones just pop out of the fog at
> you. The yellow ones gradually appear out of the fog.
>
>
> Mike
>
> "Carlo F. Serusa, Jr RPh" wrote:
>
>>someone once told me that you can see further with white light - but you can
>>be seen from further away with yellow light. I never thought it was
>>important enough to spend the time to verify this. It seems to me that if
>>the light travels far enough to be seen - you should be able to see????
>>
>>--
>> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
>> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
>>'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
>> O|||||||O
>>'92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>>
>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>news:4395D007.2DEDA3A8@sympatico.ca...
>>
>>>I don't know how to take them apart, but if you drive in fog, the yellow
>>>light is many orders of magnitude better than the white light. They
>>>even use yellow in the highway intersections on the Canadian east coast
>>>and on the bridges. There is a radical difference seeing in yellow.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Tomes wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi folks,
>>>>My stock fog lights (2002 TJ) found a rock and one of them now has a
>>
>>broken
>>
>>>>lens. The rock is actually still inside the light. So I need to
>>
>>replace
>>
>>>>the lens (need to get it inspected this month too). It came with the
>>
>>clear
>>
>>>>lenses, but I am thinking that I might as well replace them with yellow
>>
>>ones
>>
>>>>(someone tell me why...). So here are the questions:
>>>>1) It looks like I just torx bolt them off no problem - is this correct?
>>>>2) Where can one get replacement lenses for this? Cost?
>>>>3) Is yellow the thing to do?
>>>>Thanks folks,
>>>>Tomes

Lon

This appears to depend on the individual. Some folks prefer a slight
yellow cast, particularly in heavy fog, some appear to prefer a neutral
white beam. More important is a very good lens and shield so you get a
very sharp cutoff on the topside so you get a minimum of backscatter
from the fog into your eyes. The whiter backscatter bothers my
particular eyeballs a bit more than yellow, but some of the best "fog"
lights I've had were the Z-Beam Cibies that were a traditional high
power light with a very very sharp upper cutoff. Worked great in heavy
snow, particularly that really fine blowing stuff..


Mike Romain proclaimed:

> There is a 'radical' difference. In fog you can see the yellow lit up
> intersection coming for a ways. The white lit ones 'suddenly' appear as
> you are right under the light.
>
> Same for oncoming cars. The white light ones just pop out of the fog at
> you. The yellow ones gradually appear out of the fog.
>
>
> Mike
>
> "Carlo F. Serusa, Jr RPh" wrote:
>
>>someone once told me that you can see further with white light - but you can
>>be seen from further away with yellow light. I never thought it was
>>important enough to spend the time to verify this. It seems to me that if
>>the light travels far enough to be seen - you should be able to see????
>>
>>--
>> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
>> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
>>'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
>> O|||||||O
>>'92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>>
>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>news:4395D007.2DEDA3A8@sympatico.ca...
>>
>>>I don't know how to take them apart, but if you drive in fog, the yellow
>>>light is many orders of magnitude better than the white light. They
>>>even use yellow in the highway intersections on the Canadian east coast
>>>and on the bridges. There is a radical difference seeing in yellow.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Tomes wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi folks,
>>>>My stock fog lights (2002 TJ) found a rock and one of them now has a
>>
>>broken
>>
>>>>lens. The rock is actually still inside the light. So I need to
>>
>>replace
>>
>>>>the lens (need to get it inspected this month too). It came with the
>>
>>clear
>>
>>>>lenses, but I am thinking that I might as well replace them with yellow
>>
>>ones
>>
>>>>(someone tell me why...). So here are the questions:
>>>>1) It looks like I just torx bolt them off no problem - is this correct?
>>>>2) Where can one get replacement lenses for this? Cost?
>>>>3) Is yellow the thing to do?
>>>>Thanks folks,
>>>>Tomes

Lon

This appears to depend on the individual. Some folks prefer a slight
yellow cast, particularly in heavy fog, some appear to prefer a neutral
white beam. More important is a very good lens and shield so you get a
very sharp cutoff on the topside so you get a minimum of backscatter
from the fog into your eyes. The whiter backscatter bothers my
particular eyeballs a bit more than yellow, but some of the best "fog"
lights I've had were the Z-Beam Cibies that were a traditional high
power light with a very very sharp upper cutoff. Worked great in heavy
snow, particularly that really fine blowing stuff..


Mike Romain proclaimed:

> There is a 'radical' difference. In fog you can see the yellow lit up
> intersection coming for a ways. The white lit ones 'suddenly' appear as
> you are right under the light.
>
> Same for oncoming cars. The white light ones just pop out of the fog at
> you. The yellow ones gradually appear out of the fog.
>
>
> Mike
>
> "Carlo F. Serusa, Jr RPh" wrote:
>
>>someone once told me that you can see further with white light - but you can
>>be seen from further away with yellow light. I never thought it was
>>important enough to spend the time to verify this. It seems to me that if
>>the light travels far enough to be seen - you should be able to see????
>>
>>--
>> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
>> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
>>'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
>> O|||||||O
>>'92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>>
>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>news:4395D007.2DEDA3A8@sympatico.ca...
>>
>>>I don't know how to take them apart, but if you drive in fog, the yellow
>>>light is many orders of magnitude better than the white light. They
>>>even use yellow in the highway intersections on the Canadian east coast
>>>and on the bridges. There is a radical difference seeing in yellow.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Tomes wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi folks,
>>>>My stock fog lights (2002 TJ) found a rock and one of them now has a
>>
>>broken
>>
>>>>lens. The rock is actually still inside the light. So I need to
>>
>>replace
>>
>>>>the lens (need to get it inspected this month too). It came with the
>>
>>clear
>>
>>>>lenses, but I am thinking that I might as well replace them with yellow
>>
>>ones
>>
>>>>(someone tell me why...). So here are the questions:
>>>>1) It looks like I just torx bolt them off no problem - is this correct?
>>>>2) Where can one get replacement lenses for this? Cost?
>>>>3) Is yellow the thing to do?
>>>>Thanks folks,
>>>>Tomes