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Re: Steering stablizer
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning"
<lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: >Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Steering stablizer
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning"
<lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: >Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Steering stablizer
My '81 CJ5 hasn't got a boot on the steering shock.
"Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ad9Sh.6744$u03.4835@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided > to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than > without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need > a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > |
Re: Steering stablizer
My '81 CJ5 hasn't got a boot on the steering shock.
"Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ad9Sh.6744$u03.4835@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided > to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than > without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need > a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > |
Re: Steering stablizer
My '81 CJ5 hasn't got a boot on the steering shock.
"Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ad9Sh.6744$u03.4835@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided > to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than > without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need > a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > |
Re: Steering stablizer
Hey, THANKS.......when I took it to the dealer, they said they couldn't find
anything...I REALLY got the impression they just blew me off...It was under warranty so that's not a good thing for them. It appears to happen when the temp is over 70, and I'm doing about 50 mph and I go over a bump on ONE wheel (either side). I put other tires (street tires) on it, and keep them inflated to specs. I've never had it aligned or hit any bad holes, so I can only assume the alignment is still what was set at the factory. I've got 17k on it. And, yes, I agree, an aftermarket stabilizer is fixing the symptom and NOT the problem, but I'm at a loss. Thanks for your help, I appreciate it Lloyd "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:8lki13pfo7hg6i34bu65f63r5g33l1mkpk@4ax.com... > On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning" > <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) > > > The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A > stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment > places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some > say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and > to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is > that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak > from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used > to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was > computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of > those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings > I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Steering stablizer
Hey, THANKS.......when I took it to the dealer, they said they couldn't find
anything...I REALLY got the impression they just blew me off...It was under warranty so that's not a good thing for them. It appears to happen when the temp is over 70, and I'm doing about 50 mph and I go over a bump on ONE wheel (either side). I put other tires (street tires) on it, and keep them inflated to specs. I've never had it aligned or hit any bad holes, so I can only assume the alignment is still what was set at the factory. I've got 17k on it. And, yes, I agree, an aftermarket stabilizer is fixing the symptom and NOT the problem, but I'm at a loss. Thanks for your help, I appreciate it Lloyd "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:8lki13pfo7hg6i34bu65f63r5g33l1mkpk@4ax.com... > On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning" > <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) > > > The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A > stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment > places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some > say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and > to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is > that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak > from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used > to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was > computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of > those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings > I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Steering stablizer
Hey, THANKS.......when I took it to the dealer, they said they couldn't find
anything...I REALLY got the impression they just blew me off...It was under warranty so that's not a good thing for them. It appears to happen when the temp is over 70, and I'm doing about 50 mph and I go over a bump on ONE wheel (either side). I put other tires (street tires) on it, and keep them inflated to specs. I've never had it aligned or hit any bad holes, so I can only assume the alignment is still what was set at the factory. I've got 17k on it. And, yes, I agree, an aftermarket stabilizer is fixing the symptom and NOT the problem, but I'm at a loss. Thanks for your help, I appreciate it Lloyd "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:8lki13pfo7hg6i34bu65f63r5g33l1mkpk@4ax.com... > On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning" > <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) > > > The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A > stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment > places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some > say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and > to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is > that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak > from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used > to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was > computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of > those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings > I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Steering stablizer
We cured Ed's by rotating and balancing the tires. Of course he never got
that alignment or replaced the bad shocks so he will have it back soon enough. "Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:i%cSh.6775$u03.6007@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Hey, THANKS.......when I took it to the dealer, they said they couldn't > find anything...I REALLY got the impression they just blew me off...It was > under warranty so that's not a good thing for them. > It appears to happen when the temp is over 70, and I'm doing about 50 mph > and I go over a bump on ONE wheel (either side). I put other tires (street > tires) on it, and keep them inflated to specs. I've never had it aligned > or hit any bad holes, so I can only assume the alignment is still what was > set at the factory. I've got 17k on it. > And, yes, I agree, an aftermarket stabilizer is fixing the symptom and NOT > the problem, but I'm at a loss. > > Thanks for your help, I appreciate it > > Lloyd > > > "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message > news:8lki13pfo7hg6i34bu65f63r5g33l1mkpk@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning" >> <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>>wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) >> >> >> The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A >> stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment >> places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some >> say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and >> to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is >> that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak >> from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used >> to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was >> computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of >> those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings >> I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. >> ----------------- >> TheSnoMan.com > > |
Re: Steering stablizer
We cured Ed's by rotating and balancing the tires. Of course he never got
that alignment or replaced the bad shocks so he will have it back soon enough. "Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:i%cSh.6775$u03.6007@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Hey, THANKS.......when I took it to the dealer, they said they couldn't > find anything...I REALLY got the impression they just blew me off...It was > under warranty so that's not a good thing for them. > It appears to happen when the temp is over 70, and I'm doing about 50 mph > and I go over a bump on ONE wheel (either side). I put other tires (street > tires) on it, and keep them inflated to specs. I've never had it aligned > or hit any bad holes, so I can only assume the alignment is still what was > set at the factory. I've got 17k on it. > And, yes, I agree, an aftermarket stabilizer is fixing the symptom and NOT > the problem, but I'm at a loss. > > Thanks for your help, I appreciate it > > Lloyd > > > "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message > news:8lki13pfo7hg6i34bu65f63r5g33l1mkpk@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning" >> <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>>wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) >> >> >> The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A >> stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment >> places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some >> say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and >> to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is >> that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak >> from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used >> to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was >> computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of >> those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings >> I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. >> ----------------- >> TheSnoMan.com > > |
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