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Steering stablizer
Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death
wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the question..... In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? Lloyd |
Re: Steering stablizer
Lloyd Hanning wrote:
> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I > decided to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. > Here's the question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts > store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really > aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage > than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, > do I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he > didn't have one? I don't use boots. The store is correct, they tend to accumulate dirt and mud then cause the shaft to wear prematurely. Now if your on pavement most of the time and take care to clean the boots out after offroading then they might be worthwhile. -- DougW |
Re: Steering stablizer
Lloyd Hanning wrote:
> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I > decided to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. > Here's the question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts > store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really > aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage > than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, > do I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he > didn't have one? I don't use boots. The store is correct, they tend to accumulate dirt and mud then cause the shaft to wear prematurely. Now if your on pavement most of the time and take care to clean the boots out after offroading then they might be worthwhile. -- DougW |
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Lloyd Hanning wrote:
> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I > decided to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. > Here's the question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts > store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really > aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage > than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, > do I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he > didn't have one? I don't use boots. The store is correct, they tend to accumulate dirt and mud then cause the shaft to wear prematurely. Now if your on pavement most of the time and take care to clean the boots out after offroading then they might be worthwhile. -- DougW |
Re: Steering stablizer
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning"
<lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: >Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided to >install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the >question..... >In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store >they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't >necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than without >a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot or >is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > >Lloyd > All of my shocks AND the steering stabilizer have boots. Shocks are Edelbrock. Stabilizer is Rancho. The whole point of having boots is to keep dirt off the piston rod where it enters so you don't get a lot of wear at that point. I would get a boot. They aren't going to trap dirt unless they are cracked or loose. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Steering stablizer
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning"
<lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: >Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided to >install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the >question..... >In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store >they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't >necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than without >a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot or >is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > >Lloyd > All of my shocks AND the steering stabilizer have boots. Shocks are Edelbrock. Stabilizer is Rancho. The whole point of having boots is to keep dirt off the piston rod where it enters so you don't get a lot of wear at that point. I would get a boot. They aren't going to trap dirt unless they are cracked or loose. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Steering stablizer
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning"
<lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: >Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided to >install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the >question..... >In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store >they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't >necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than without >a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot or >is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > >Lloyd > All of my shocks AND the steering stabilizer have boots. Shocks are Edelbrock. Stabilizer is Rancho. The whole point of having boots is to keep dirt off the piston rod where it enters so you don't get a lot of wear at that point. I would get a boot. They aren't going to trap dirt unless they are cracked or loose. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Steering stablizer
Lloyd Hanning wrote:
> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided to > install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than without > a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot or > is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > > The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and move. Sealed they wouldn't move. They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out. I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: Steering stablizer
Lloyd Hanning wrote:
> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided to > install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than without > a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot or > is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > > The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and move. Sealed they wouldn't move. They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out. I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: Steering stablizer
Lloyd Hanning wrote:
> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided to > install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than without > a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot or > is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > > The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and move. Sealed they wouldn't move. They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out. I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: Steering stablizer
There's no boot on the OEM stabilizer for either of my YJs.
Mike Romain wrote: > Lloyd Hanning wrote: >> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I >> decided to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. >> Here's the question..... >> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts >> store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really >> aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage >> than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, >> do I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he >> didn't have one? >> >> Lloyd >> > > The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and > move. Sealed they wouldn't move. > > They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out. > > I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well > if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the > bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
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There's no boot on the OEM stabilizer for either of my YJs.
Mike Romain wrote: > Lloyd Hanning wrote: >> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I >> decided to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. >> Here's the question..... >> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts >> store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really >> aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage >> than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, >> do I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he >> didn't have one? >> >> Lloyd >> > > The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and > move. Sealed they wouldn't move. > > They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out. > > I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well > if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the > bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
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There's no boot on the OEM stabilizer for either of my YJs.
Mike Romain wrote: > Lloyd Hanning wrote: >> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I >> decided to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. >> Here's the question..... >> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts >> store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really >> aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage >> than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, >> do I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he >> didn't have one? >> >> Lloyd >> > > The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and > move. Sealed they wouldn't move. > > They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out. > > I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well > if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the > bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
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Your stock stabilizer shouldn't have had one either:
http://www.----------.com/TJalign.htm God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- "Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ad9Sh.6744$u03.4835@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided to > install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than without > a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot or > is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Your stock stabilizer shouldn't have had one either:
http://www.----------.com/TJalign.htm God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- "Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ad9Sh.6744$u03.4835@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided to > install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than without > a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot or > is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Your stock stabilizer shouldn't have had one either:
http://www.----------.com/TJalign.htm God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- "Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ad9Sh.6744$u03.4835@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided to > install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than without > a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot or > is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Yep, that's true, the OEM stabilizer doesn't have a boot, but when you
extent the piston, the rod is not exposed. So it appears some protection is there, but not to the extent of what a boot will give, or not give, depending on the conditions its exposed to. Lloyd "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:evbb48$ljj$1@aioe.org... > There's no boot on the OEM stabilizer for either of my YJs. > > Mike Romain wrote: >> Lloyd Hanning wrote: >>> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided >>> to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the >>> question..... >>> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts >>> store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really >>> aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage >>> than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do >>> I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't >>> have one? >>> >>> Lloyd >>> >> >> The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and >> move. Sealed they wouldn't move. >> >> They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out. >> >> I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well >> if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the >> bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: Steering stablizer
Yep, that's true, the OEM stabilizer doesn't have a boot, but when you
extent the piston, the rod is not exposed. So it appears some protection is there, but not to the extent of what a boot will give, or not give, depending on the conditions its exposed to. Lloyd "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:evbb48$ljj$1@aioe.org... > There's no boot on the OEM stabilizer for either of my YJs. > > Mike Romain wrote: >> Lloyd Hanning wrote: >>> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided >>> to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the >>> question..... >>> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts >>> store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really >>> aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage >>> than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do >>> I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't >>> have one? >>> >>> Lloyd >>> >> >> The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and >> move. Sealed they wouldn't move. >> >> They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out. >> >> I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well >> if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the >> bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: Steering stablizer
Yep, that's true, the OEM stabilizer doesn't have a boot, but when you
extent the piston, the rod is not exposed. So it appears some protection is there, but not to the extent of what a boot will give, or not give, depending on the conditions its exposed to. Lloyd "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:evbb48$ljj$1@aioe.org... > There's no boot on the OEM stabilizer for either of my YJs. > > Mike Romain wrote: >> Lloyd Hanning wrote: >>> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided >>> to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the >>> question..... >>> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts >>> store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really >>> aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage >>> than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do >>> I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't >>> have one? >>> >>> Lloyd >>> >> >> The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and >> move. Sealed they wouldn't move. >> >> They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out. >> >> I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well >> if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the >> bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: Steering stablizer
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning"
<lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: >Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com |
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning"
<lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: >Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com |
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning"
<lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: >Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com |
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My '81 CJ5 hasn't got a boot on the steering shock.
"Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ad9Sh.6744$u03.4835@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided > to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than > without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need > a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > |
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My '81 CJ5 hasn't got a boot on the steering shock.
"Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ad9Sh.6744$u03.4835@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided > to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than > without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need > a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > |
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My '81 CJ5 hasn't got a boot on the steering shock.
"Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ad9Sh.6744$u03.4835@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided > to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than > without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need > a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > |
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Hey, THANKS.......when I took it to the dealer, they said they couldn't find
anything...I REALLY got the impression they just blew me off...It was under warranty so that's not a good thing for them. It appears to happen when the temp is over 70, and I'm doing about 50 mph and I go over a bump on ONE wheel (either side). I put other tires (street tires) on it, and keep them inflated to specs. I've never had it aligned or hit any bad holes, so I can only assume the alignment is still what was set at the factory. I've got 17k on it. And, yes, I agree, an aftermarket stabilizer is fixing the symptom and NOT the problem, but I'm at a loss. Thanks for your help, I appreciate it Lloyd "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:8lki13pfo7hg6i34bu65f63r5g33l1mkpk@4ax.com... > On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning" > <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) > > > The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A > stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment > places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some > say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and > to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is > that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak > from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used > to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was > computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of > those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings > I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Steering stablizer
Hey, THANKS.......when I took it to the dealer, they said they couldn't find
anything...I REALLY got the impression they just blew me off...It was under warranty so that's not a good thing for them. It appears to happen when the temp is over 70, and I'm doing about 50 mph and I go over a bump on ONE wheel (either side). I put other tires (street tires) on it, and keep them inflated to specs. I've never had it aligned or hit any bad holes, so I can only assume the alignment is still what was set at the factory. I've got 17k on it. And, yes, I agree, an aftermarket stabilizer is fixing the symptom and NOT the problem, but I'm at a loss. Thanks for your help, I appreciate it Lloyd "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:8lki13pfo7hg6i34bu65f63r5g33l1mkpk@4ax.com... > On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning" > <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) > > > The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A > stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment > places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some > say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and > to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is > that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak > from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used > to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was > computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of > those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings > I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Steering stablizer
Hey, THANKS.......when I took it to the dealer, they said they couldn't find
anything...I REALLY got the impression they just blew me off...It was under warranty so that's not a good thing for them. It appears to happen when the temp is over 70, and I'm doing about 50 mph and I go over a bump on ONE wheel (either side). I put other tires (street tires) on it, and keep them inflated to specs. I've never had it aligned or hit any bad holes, so I can only assume the alignment is still what was set at the factory. I've got 17k on it. And, yes, I agree, an aftermarket stabilizer is fixing the symptom and NOT the problem, but I'm at a loss. Thanks for your help, I appreciate it Lloyd "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:8lki13pfo7hg6i34bu65f63r5g33l1mkpk@4ax.com... > On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning" > <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) > > > The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A > stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment > places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some > say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and > to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is > that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak > from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used > to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was > computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of > those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings > I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Steering stablizer
We cured Ed's by rotating and balancing the tires. Of course he never got
that alignment or replaced the bad shocks so he will have it back soon enough. "Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:i%cSh.6775$u03.6007@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Hey, THANKS.......when I took it to the dealer, they said they couldn't > find anything...I REALLY got the impression they just blew me off...It was > under warranty so that's not a good thing for them. > It appears to happen when the temp is over 70, and I'm doing about 50 mph > and I go over a bump on ONE wheel (either side). I put other tires (street > tires) on it, and keep them inflated to specs. I've never had it aligned > or hit any bad holes, so I can only assume the alignment is still what was > set at the factory. I've got 17k on it. > And, yes, I agree, an aftermarket stabilizer is fixing the symptom and NOT > the problem, but I'm at a loss. > > Thanks for your help, I appreciate it > > Lloyd > > > "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message > news:8lki13pfo7hg6i34bu65f63r5g33l1mkpk@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning" >> <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>>wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) >> >> >> The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A >> stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment >> places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some >> say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and >> to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is >> that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak >> from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used >> to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was >> computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of >> those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings >> I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. >> ----------------- >> TheSnoMan.com > > |
Re: Steering stablizer
We cured Ed's by rotating and balancing the tires. Of course he never got
that alignment or replaced the bad shocks so he will have it back soon enough. "Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:i%cSh.6775$u03.6007@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Hey, THANKS.......when I took it to the dealer, they said they couldn't > find anything...I REALLY got the impression they just blew me off...It was > under warranty so that's not a good thing for them. > It appears to happen when the temp is over 70, and I'm doing about 50 mph > and I go over a bump on ONE wheel (either side). I put other tires (street > tires) on it, and keep them inflated to specs. I've never had it aligned > or hit any bad holes, so I can only assume the alignment is still what was > set at the factory. I've got 17k on it. > And, yes, I agree, an aftermarket stabilizer is fixing the symptom and NOT > the problem, but I'm at a loss. > > Thanks for your help, I appreciate it > > Lloyd > > > "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message > news:8lki13pfo7hg6i34bu65f63r5g33l1mkpk@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning" >> <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>>wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) >> >> >> The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A >> stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment >> places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some >> say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and >> to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is >> that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak >> from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used >> to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was >> computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of >> those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings >> I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. >> ----------------- >> TheSnoMan.com > > |
Re: Steering stablizer
We cured Ed's by rotating and balancing the tires. Of course he never got
that alignment or replaced the bad shocks so he will have it back soon enough. "Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:i%cSh.6775$u03.6007@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t... > Hey, THANKS.......when I took it to the dealer, they said they couldn't > find anything...I REALLY got the impression they just blew me off...It was > under warranty so that's not a good thing for them. > It appears to happen when the temp is over 70, and I'm doing about 50 mph > and I go over a bump on ONE wheel (either side). I put other tires (street > tires) on it, and keep them inflated to specs. I've never had it aligned > or hit any bad holes, so I can only assume the alignment is still what was > set at the factory. I've got 17k on it. > And, yes, I agree, an aftermarket stabilizer is fixing the symptom and NOT > the problem, but I'm at a loss. > > Thanks for your help, I appreciate it > > Lloyd > > > "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message > news:8lki13pfo7hg6i34bu65f63r5g33l1mkpk@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning" >> <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death >>>wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) >> >> >> The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A >> stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment >> places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some >> say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and >> to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is >> that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak >> from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used >> to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was >> computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of >> those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings >> I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure. >> ----------------- >> TheSnoMan.com > > |
Re: Steering stablizer
Lloyd Hanning wrote:
> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided to > install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than without > a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot or > is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > > Anytime I've ever used boots they caused more trouble than they were worth. They ALWAYS ended up rusting the piston rod and the top of the shock where they come together. Now I live in the relatively wet midwest so moisture is an issue. If you're living in arizona it's probably not an issue but, it certainly won't hurt you to leave it off, that much the shop has correct. But whatever you do, for the love of GOD and all that's holy make sure you do indeed keep a stabilizer on your Jeep so you don't run right out and kill somebody. (Don't worry, it's just an inside joke, so to speak). :) |
Re: Steering stablizer
Lloyd Hanning wrote:
> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided to > install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than without > a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot or > is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > > Anytime I've ever used boots they caused more trouble than they were worth. They ALWAYS ended up rusting the piston rod and the top of the shock where they come together. Now I live in the relatively wet midwest so moisture is an issue. If you're living in arizona it's probably not an issue but, it certainly won't hurt you to leave it off, that much the shop has correct. But whatever you do, for the love of GOD and all that's holy make sure you do indeed keep a stabilizer on your Jeep so you don't run right out and kill somebody. (Don't worry, it's just an inside joke, so to speak). :) |
Re: Steering stablizer
Lloyd Hanning wrote:
> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death > wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided to > install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the > question..... > In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store > they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't > necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than without > a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot or > is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one? > > Lloyd > > Anytime I've ever used boots they caused more trouble than they were worth. They ALWAYS ended up rusting the piston rod and the top of the shock where they come together. Now I live in the relatively wet midwest so moisture is an issue. If you're living in arizona it's probably not an issue but, it certainly won't hurt you to leave it off, that much the shop has correct. But whatever you do, for the love of GOD and all that's holy make sure you do indeed keep a stabilizer on your Jeep so you don't run right out and kill somebody. (Don't worry, it's just an inside joke, so to speak). :) |
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