The Merg

There's no boot on the OEM stabilizer for either of my YJs.

Mike Romain wrote:
> Lloyd Hanning wrote:
>> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death
>> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I
>> decided to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer.
>> Here's the question.....
>> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts
>> store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really
>> aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage
>> than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So,
>> do I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he
>> didn't have one?
>>
>> Lloyd
>>
>
> The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and
> move. Sealed they wouldn't move.
>
> They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out.
>
> I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well
> if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the
> bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

The Merg

There's no boot on the OEM stabilizer for either of my YJs.

Mike Romain wrote:
> Lloyd Hanning wrote:
>> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death
>> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I
>> decided to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer.
>> Here's the question.....
>> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts
>> store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really
>> aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage
>> than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So,
>> do I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he
>> didn't have one?
>>
>> Lloyd
>>
>
> The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and
> move. Sealed they wouldn't move.
>
> They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out.
>
> I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well
> if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the
> bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

The Merg

There's no boot on the OEM stabilizer for either of my YJs.

Mike Romain wrote:
> Lloyd Hanning wrote:
>> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death
>> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I
>> decided to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer.
>> Here's the question.....
>> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts
>> store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really
>> aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage
>> than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So,
>> do I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he
>> didn't have one?
>>
>> Lloyd
>>
>
> The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and
> move. Sealed they wouldn't move.
>
> They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out.
>
> I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well
> if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the
> bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

Your stock stabilizer shouldn't have had one either:
http://www.----------.com/TJalign.htm
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
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"Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ad9Sh.6744$u03.4835@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t...
> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death
> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided
to
> install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the
> question.....
> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store
> they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't
> necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than
without
> a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot
or
> is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one?
>
> Lloyd
>
>



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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

Your stock stabilizer shouldn't have had one either:
http://www.----------.com/TJalign.htm
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------


"Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ad9Sh.6744$u03.4835@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t...
> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death
> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided
to
> install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the
> question.....
> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store
> they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't
> necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than
without
> a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot
or
> is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one?
>
> Lloyd
>
>



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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

Your stock stabilizer shouldn't have had one either:
http://www.----------.com/TJalign.htm
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------


"Lloyd Hanning" <lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ad9Sh.6744$u03.4835@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t...
> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death
> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided
to
> install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the
> question.....
> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts store
> they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really aren't
> necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage than
without
> a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do I need a boot
or
> is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't have one?
>
> Lloyd
>
>



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Lloyd Hanning

Yep, that's true, the OEM stabilizer doesn't have a boot, but when you
extent the piston, the rod is not exposed.
So it appears some protection is there, but not to the extent of what a boot
will give, or not give, depending on the conditions its exposed to.

Lloyd

"The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:evbb48$ljj$1@aioe.org...
> There's no boot on the OEM stabilizer for either of my YJs.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Lloyd Hanning wrote:
>>> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death
>>> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided
>>> to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the
>>> question.....
>>> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts
>>> store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really
>>> aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage
>>> than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do
>>> I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't
>>> have one?
>>>
>>> Lloyd
>>>
>>
>> The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and
>> move. Sealed they wouldn't move.
>>
>> They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out.
>>
>> I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well
>> if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the
>> bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Lloyd Hanning

Yep, that's true, the OEM stabilizer doesn't have a boot, but when you
extent the piston, the rod is not exposed.
So it appears some protection is there, but not to the extent of what a boot
will give, or not give, depending on the conditions its exposed to.

Lloyd

"The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:evbb48$ljj$1@aioe.org...
> There's no boot on the OEM stabilizer for either of my YJs.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Lloyd Hanning wrote:
>>> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death
>>> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided
>>> to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the
>>> question.....
>>> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts
>>> store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really
>>> aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage
>>> than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do
>>> I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't
>>> have one?
>>>
>>> Lloyd
>>>
>>
>> The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and
>> move. Sealed they wouldn't move.
>>
>> They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out.
>>
>> I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well
>> if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the
>> bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Lloyd Hanning

Yep, that's true, the OEM stabilizer doesn't have a boot, but when you
extent the piston, the rod is not exposed.
So it appears some protection is there, but not to the extent of what a boot
will give, or not give, depending on the conditions its exposed to.

Lloyd

"The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:evbb48$ljj$1@aioe.org...
> There's no boot on the OEM stabilizer for either of my YJs.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Lloyd Hanning wrote:
>>> Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death
>>> wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine) I decided
>>> to install an after market (Pro Comp) steering stabilizer. Here's the
>>> question.....
>>> In my hast, I forgot to get a boot for it...when I called the parts
>>> store they didn't have any...in fact, the parts guy said "they really
>>> aren't necessary as they trap dirt inside them and can do more damage
>>> than without a boot". This is from an off road specialty store! So, do
>>> I need a boot or is this guy just trying to rationalize why he didn't
>>> have one?
>>>
>>> Lloyd
>>>
>>
>> The boots have holes in them because they have to act like a bellows and
>> move. Sealed they wouldn't move.
>>
>> They 'do' fill up with mud and water and cannot be easily cleaned out.
>>
>> I wouldn't use them on a horizontal shaft because they won't drain well
>> if at all. If you are careful when you install and put the hole at the
>> bottom, they will drain some, but the baffle ridges will stay full.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

SnoMan

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:00:54 GMT, "Lloyd Hanning"
<lloydhanning@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Well, after admitting defeat in trying to find the cause of the "death
>wobble" in my '04 Rubicon (the dealer said everything is fine)


The reason they "death wooble" is because of caster and toe issues. A
stabiler is merely masking the real problem. Few dealer or alignment
places these days understand the real cause of this problem so some
say it is normal. When you get the correct combo of camber, caster and
to for your lift/tires size the problem will go away. The problem is
that factory alignement spec rarely will do this and you need to tweak
from there but few understand the cure so you are left hanging. I used
to align these solid axles 25 to 30 years ago before there was
computer racks and you had to know your stuff. I have fixed a few of
those death woobles in my day. If you can post your alignment readings
I can tell you what you likely need to do to get a real cure.
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