Steering column locing question.
07-12-2004, 09:50 PM
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Steering column locing question.
I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column so
it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
Rich
disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column so
it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
Rich
07-13-2004, 12:31 AM
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Re: Steering column locing question.
Hi Rich,
I don't think it would be worth it to take the cog out. The
dismantling of a similar Chevy:
http://autorepair.about.com/cs/doity...lt_wheel02.htm
Remember that cog has already save your car from being towed a couple of
times.
Have a good trip to east coast for your new duty station.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Richard Harris wrote:
>
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
I don't think it would be worth it to take the cog out. The
dismantling of a similar Chevy:
http://autorepair.about.com/cs/doity...lt_wheel02.htm
Remember that cog has already save your car from being towed a couple of
times.
Have a good trip to east coast for your new duty station.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Richard Harris wrote:
>
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
07-13-2004, 12:31 AM
#3
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Re: Steering column locing question.
Hi Rich,
I don't think it would be worth it to take the cog out. The
dismantling of a similar Chevy:
http://autorepair.about.com/cs/doity...lt_wheel02.htm
Remember that cog has already save your car from being towed a couple of
times.
Have a good trip to east coast for your new duty station.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Richard Harris wrote:
>
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
I don't think it would be worth it to take the cog out. The
dismantling of a similar Chevy:
http://autorepair.about.com/cs/doity...lt_wheel02.htm
Remember that cog has already save your car from being towed a couple of
times.
Have a good trip to east coast for your new duty station.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Richard Harris wrote:
>
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
07-13-2004, 12:31 AM
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Re: Steering column locing question.
Hi Rich,
I don't think it would be worth it to take the cog out. The
dismantling of a similar Chevy:
http://autorepair.about.com/cs/doity...lt_wheel02.htm
Remember that cog has already save your car from being towed a couple of
times.
Have a good trip to east coast for your new duty station.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Richard Harris wrote:
>
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
I don't think it would be worth it to take the cog out. The
dismantling of a similar Chevy:
http://autorepair.about.com/cs/doity...lt_wheel02.htm
Remember that cog has already save your car from being towed a couple of
times.
Have a good trip to east coast for your new duty station.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Richard Harris wrote:
>
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
07-13-2004, 12:31 AM
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Re: Steering column locing question.
Hi Rich,
I don't think it would be worth it to take the cog out. The
dismantling of a similar Chevy:
http://autorepair.about.com/cs/doity...lt_wheel02.htm
Remember that cog has already save your car from being towed a couple of
times.
Have a good trip to east coast for your new duty station.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Richard Harris wrote:
>
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
I don't think it would be worth it to take the cog out. The
dismantling of a similar Chevy:
http://autorepair.about.com/cs/doity...lt_wheel02.htm
Remember that cog has already save your car from being towed a couple of
times.
Have a good trip to east coast for your new duty station.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Richard Harris wrote:
>
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
07-13-2004, 08:51 PM
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Re: Steering column locing question.
That is not entirely true about what you have to do to flat tow your CJ7.
Set the ignition to the OFF position and the steering will not be locked.
Nobody is going to steal it while you are towing it, and the key probably
can be removed with out setting the ignition to the Lock setting. My key is
brand spanking new, and it comes out.
I also leave my front hubs locked. This forces the front drive shaft to
turn, which forces the tcase to spin, which lubricates the output shaft
bearings for the rear driveshaft. Keep in mind that the tcase is set at an
angle, so the front gears and bearings are soaked in oil all of the time. As
they turn (from being dragged down the street behind your mo-home) they will
sling oil onto the rear output shaft bearings for you. Leave the tcase set
in N, and the trans set in 1st or R (or P, if available).
I looked at the cost of modifying the tcase on my CJ5, and the hassle of
disconnecting the driveshaft for short pulls of typically under 100 miles,
and decided a trailer is the way to go. An advantage of a trailer is that if
the Jeep breaks, all you need worry about is getting back to camp and
getting it loaded up. I had a wheel bearing decide to take leave while out
in the desert. I had to replace the bearing before I could go home. That
could have been a serious problem. Actually, iit was a serious problem, but
I had the tools needed to overcome the obsiticle.
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3eHIc.28574$SO5.16937@twister.socal.rr.com...
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column
so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
>
>
Set the ignition to the OFF position and the steering will not be locked.
Nobody is going to steal it while you are towing it, and the key probably
can be removed with out setting the ignition to the Lock setting. My key is
brand spanking new, and it comes out.
I also leave my front hubs locked. This forces the front drive shaft to
turn, which forces the tcase to spin, which lubricates the output shaft
bearings for the rear driveshaft. Keep in mind that the tcase is set at an
angle, so the front gears and bearings are soaked in oil all of the time. As
they turn (from being dragged down the street behind your mo-home) they will
sling oil onto the rear output shaft bearings for you. Leave the tcase set
in N, and the trans set in 1st or R (or P, if available).
I looked at the cost of modifying the tcase on my CJ5, and the hassle of
disconnecting the driveshaft for short pulls of typically under 100 miles,
and decided a trailer is the way to go. An advantage of a trailer is that if
the Jeep breaks, all you need worry about is getting back to camp and
getting it loaded up. I had a wheel bearing decide to take leave while out
in the desert. I had to replace the bearing before I could go home. That
could have been a serious problem. Actually, iit was a serious problem, but
I had the tools needed to overcome the obsiticle.
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3eHIc.28574$SO5.16937@twister.socal.rr.com...
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column
so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
>
>
07-13-2004, 08:51 PM
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Re: Steering column locing question.
That is not entirely true about what you have to do to flat tow your CJ7.
Set the ignition to the OFF position and the steering will not be locked.
Nobody is going to steal it while you are towing it, and the key probably
can be removed with out setting the ignition to the Lock setting. My key is
brand spanking new, and it comes out.
I also leave my front hubs locked. This forces the front drive shaft to
turn, which forces the tcase to spin, which lubricates the output shaft
bearings for the rear driveshaft. Keep in mind that the tcase is set at an
angle, so the front gears and bearings are soaked in oil all of the time. As
they turn (from being dragged down the street behind your mo-home) they will
sling oil onto the rear output shaft bearings for you. Leave the tcase set
in N, and the trans set in 1st or R (or P, if available).
I looked at the cost of modifying the tcase on my CJ5, and the hassle of
disconnecting the driveshaft for short pulls of typically under 100 miles,
and decided a trailer is the way to go. An advantage of a trailer is that if
the Jeep breaks, all you need worry about is getting back to camp and
getting it loaded up. I had a wheel bearing decide to take leave while out
in the desert. I had to replace the bearing before I could go home. That
could have been a serious problem. Actually, iit was a serious problem, but
I had the tools needed to overcome the obsiticle.
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3eHIc.28574$SO5.16937@twister.socal.rr.com...
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column
so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
>
>
Set the ignition to the OFF position and the steering will not be locked.
Nobody is going to steal it while you are towing it, and the key probably
can be removed with out setting the ignition to the Lock setting. My key is
brand spanking new, and it comes out.
I also leave my front hubs locked. This forces the front drive shaft to
turn, which forces the tcase to spin, which lubricates the output shaft
bearings for the rear driveshaft. Keep in mind that the tcase is set at an
angle, so the front gears and bearings are soaked in oil all of the time. As
they turn (from being dragged down the street behind your mo-home) they will
sling oil onto the rear output shaft bearings for you. Leave the tcase set
in N, and the trans set in 1st or R (or P, if available).
I looked at the cost of modifying the tcase on my CJ5, and the hassle of
disconnecting the driveshaft for short pulls of typically under 100 miles,
and decided a trailer is the way to go. An advantage of a trailer is that if
the Jeep breaks, all you need worry about is getting back to camp and
getting it loaded up. I had a wheel bearing decide to take leave while out
in the desert. I had to replace the bearing before I could go home. That
could have been a serious problem. Actually, iit was a serious problem, but
I had the tools needed to overcome the obsiticle.
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3eHIc.28574$SO5.16937@twister.socal.rr.com...
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column
so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
>
>
07-13-2004, 08:51 PM
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Re: Steering column locing question.
That is not entirely true about what you have to do to flat tow your CJ7.
Set the ignition to the OFF position and the steering will not be locked.
Nobody is going to steal it while you are towing it, and the key probably
can be removed with out setting the ignition to the Lock setting. My key is
brand spanking new, and it comes out.
I also leave my front hubs locked. This forces the front drive shaft to
turn, which forces the tcase to spin, which lubricates the output shaft
bearings for the rear driveshaft. Keep in mind that the tcase is set at an
angle, so the front gears and bearings are soaked in oil all of the time. As
they turn (from being dragged down the street behind your mo-home) they will
sling oil onto the rear output shaft bearings for you. Leave the tcase set
in N, and the trans set in 1st or R (or P, if available).
I looked at the cost of modifying the tcase on my CJ5, and the hassle of
disconnecting the driveshaft for short pulls of typically under 100 miles,
and decided a trailer is the way to go. An advantage of a trailer is that if
the Jeep breaks, all you need worry about is getting back to camp and
getting it loaded up. I had a wheel bearing decide to take leave while out
in the desert. I had to replace the bearing before I could go home. That
could have been a serious problem. Actually, iit was a serious problem, but
I had the tools needed to overcome the obsiticle.
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3eHIc.28574$SO5.16937@twister.socal.rr.com...
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column
so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
>
>
Set the ignition to the OFF position and the steering will not be locked.
Nobody is going to steal it while you are towing it, and the key probably
can be removed with out setting the ignition to the Lock setting. My key is
brand spanking new, and it comes out.
I also leave my front hubs locked. This forces the front drive shaft to
turn, which forces the tcase to spin, which lubricates the output shaft
bearings for the rear driveshaft. Keep in mind that the tcase is set at an
angle, so the front gears and bearings are soaked in oil all of the time. As
they turn (from being dragged down the street behind your mo-home) they will
sling oil onto the rear output shaft bearings for you. Leave the tcase set
in N, and the trans set in 1st or R (or P, if available).
I looked at the cost of modifying the tcase on my CJ5, and the hassle of
disconnecting the driveshaft for short pulls of typically under 100 miles,
and decided a trailer is the way to go. An advantage of a trailer is that if
the Jeep breaks, all you need worry about is getting back to camp and
getting it loaded up. I had a wheel bearing decide to take leave while out
in the desert. I had to replace the bearing before I could go home. That
could have been a serious problem. Actually, iit was a serious problem, but
I had the tools needed to overcome the obsiticle.
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3eHIc.28574$SO5.16937@twister.socal.rr.com...
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column
so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
>
>
07-13-2004, 08:51 PM
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Re: Steering column locing question.
That is not entirely true about what you have to do to flat tow your CJ7.
Set the ignition to the OFF position and the steering will not be locked.
Nobody is going to steal it while you are towing it, and the key probably
can be removed with out setting the ignition to the Lock setting. My key is
brand spanking new, and it comes out.
I also leave my front hubs locked. This forces the front drive shaft to
turn, which forces the tcase to spin, which lubricates the output shaft
bearings for the rear driveshaft. Keep in mind that the tcase is set at an
angle, so the front gears and bearings are soaked in oil all of the time. As
they turn (from being dragged down the street behind your mo-home) they will
sling oil onto the rear output shaft bearings for you. Leave the tcase set
in N, and the trans set in 1st or R (or P, if available).
I looked at the cost of modifying the tcase on my CJ5, and the hassle of
disconnecting the driveshaft for short pulls of typically under 100 miles,
and decided a trailer is the way to go. An advantage of a trailer is that if
the Jeep breaks, all you need worry about is getting back to camp and
getting it loaded up. I had a wheel bearing decide to take leave while out
in the desert. I had to replace the bearing before I could go home. That
could have been a serious problem. Actually, iit was a serious problem, but
I had the tools needed to overcome the obsiticle.
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3eHIc.28574$SO5.16937@twister.socal.rr.com...
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column
so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
>
>
Set the ignition to the OFF position and the steering will not be locked.
Nobody is going to steal it while you are towing it, and the key probably
can be removed with out setting the ignition to the Lock setting. My key is
brand spanking new, and it comes out.
I also leave my front hubs locked. This forces the front drive shaft to
turn, which forces the tcase to spin, which lubricates the output shaft
bearings for the rear driveshaft. Keep in mind that the tcase is set at an
angle, so the front gears and bearings are soaked in oil all of the time. As
they turn (from being dragged down the street behind your mo-home) they will
sling oil onto the rear output shaft bearings for you. Leave the tcase set
in N, and the trans set in 1st or R (or P, if available).
I looked at the cost of modifying the tcase on my CJ5, and the hassle of
disconnecting the driveshaft for short pulls of typically under 100 miles,
and decided a trailer is the way to go. An advantage of a trailer is that if
the Jeep breaks, all you need worry about is getting back to camp and
getting it loaded up. I had a wheel bearing decide to take leave while out
in the desert. I had to replace the bearing before I could go home. That
could have been a serious problem. Actually, iit was a serious problem, but
I had the tools needed to overcome the obsiticle.
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3eHIc.28574$SO5.16937@twister.socal.rr.com...
> I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column
so
> it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> Rich
>
>
07-14-2004, 09:25 AM
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Re: Steering column locing question.
He has a Dana 300 like my 86 CJ7.
My original CJ7 owners manual says it is ok to tow it in t-case neutral
with the driveshaft still hooked up. You then stop every 200 miles and
run the engine in gear with the t-case still in neutral for a bit to
lube it, then drive on again.
My key also comes out once the ignition is unlocked so the wheel can
move. No battery disconnect needed.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
CRWLR wrote:
>
> That is not entirely true about what you have to do to flat tow your CJ7.
>
> Set the ignition to the OFF position and the steering will not be locked.
> Nobody is going to steal it while you are towing it, and the key probably
> can be removed with out setting the ignition to the Lock setting. My key is
> brand spanking new, and it comes out.
>
> I also leave my front hubs locked. This forces the front drive shaft to
> turn, which forces the tcase to spin, which lubricates the output shaft
> bearings for the rear driveshaft. Keep in mind that the tcase is set at an
> angle, so the front gears and bearings are soaked in oil all of the time. As
> they turn (from being dragged down the street behind your mo-home) they will
> sling oil onto the rear output shaft bearings for you. Leave the tcase set
> in N, and the trans set in 1st or R (or P, if available).
>
> I looked at the cost of modifying the tcase on my CJ5, and the hassle of
> disconnecting the driveshaft for short pulls of typically under 100 miles,
> and decided a trailer is the way to go. An advantage of a trailer is that if
> the Jeep breaks, all you need worry about is getting back to camp and
> getting it loaded up. I had a wheel bearing decide to take leave while out
> in the desert. I had to replace the bearing before I could go home. That
> could have been a serious problem. Actually, iit was a serious problem, but
> I had the tools needed to overcome the obsiticle.
>
> "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3eHIc.28574$SO5.16937@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> > disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> > steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> > removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column
> so
> > it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> > Rich
> >
> >
My original CJ7 owners manual says it is ok to tow it in t-case neutral
with the driveshaft still hooked up. You then stop every 200 miles and
run the engine in gear with the t-case still in neutral for a bit to
lube it, then drive on again.
My key also comes out once the ignition is unlocked so the wheel can
move. No battery disconnect needed.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
CRWLR wrote:
>
> That is not entirely true about what you have to do to flat tow your CJ7.
>
> Set the ignition to the OFF position and the steering will not be locked.
> Nobody is going to steal it while you are towing it, and the key probably
> can be removed with out setting the ignition to the Lock setting. My key is
> brand spanking new, and it comes out.
>
> I also leave my front hubs locked. This forces the front drive shaft to
> turn, which forces the tcase to spin, which lubricates the output shaft
> bearings for the rear driveshaft. Keep in mind that the tcase is set at an
> angle, so the front gears and bearings are soaked in oil all of the time. As
> they turn (from being dragged down the street behind your mo-home) they will
> sling oil onto the rear output shaft bearings for you. Leave the tcase set
> in N, and the trans set in 1st or R (or P, if available).
>
> I looked at the cost of modifying the tcase on my CJ5, and the hassle of
> disconnecting the driveshaft for short pulls of typically under 100 miles,
> and decided a trailer is the way to go. An advantage of a trailer is that if
> the Jeep breaks, all you need worry about is getting back to camp and
> getting it loaded up. I had a wheel bearing decide to take leave while out
> in the desert. I had to replace the bearing before I could go home. That
> could have been a serious problem. Actually, iit was a serious problem, but
> I had the tools needed to overcome the obsiticle.
>
> "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3eHIc.28574$SO5.16937@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > I flat tow my CJ behind my RV. Right now I have to pull the driveshaft and
> > disconnect the battery so I can turn on the ignition key to unlock the
> > steering column. I'm going to modify the D300 so I can flat tow with out
> > removing the driveshaft, but I don't know how to mod the steering column
> so
> > it doesn't lock up when I remove the key... Any suggestions?
> > Rich
> >
> >
