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nrs 03-30-2007 11:06 AM

Starting modern jeep question
 

Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
Is this true?


nrs 03-30-2007 11:17 AM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
On Mar 30, 11:12 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote:
> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough to
> give the exact year.
>
> Earle
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> > electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> > Is this true?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -


Bummer! And here I was thinking the '95 would start like the '43.


nrs 03-30-2007 11:17 AM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
On Mar 30, 11:12 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote:
> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough to
> give the exact year.
>
> Earle
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> > electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> > Is this true?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -


Bummer! And here I was thinking the '95 would start like the '43.


nrs 03-30-2007 11:17 AM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
On Mar 30, 11:12 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote:
> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough to
> give the exact year.
>
> Earle
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> > electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> > Is this true?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -


Bummer! And here I was thinking the '95 would start like the '43.


Mike Romain 03-30-2007 11:21 AM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
nrs wrote:
> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> Is this true?
>


Yes. Same for having a dead battery in there, you are screwed.

Even in my old 86 it won't start with a push and no battery because the
alternator won't turn on with no power. It has to have a few volts in
there to get the alternator field active. The new ones have to turn on
a computer to turn on the alternator.

Push starting with no battery went out with the generator vehicles and
maybe some first generation alternators. They all need batteries of
some sort in there now.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 03-30-2007 11:21 AM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
nrs wrote:
> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> Is this true?
>


Yes. Same for having a dead battery in there, you are screwed.

Even in my old 86 it won't start with a push and no battery because the
alternator won't turn on with no power. It has to have a few volts in
there to get the alternator field active. The new ones have to turn on
a computer to turn on the alternator.

Push starting with no battery went out with the generator vehicles and
maybe some first generation alternators. They all need batteries of
some sort in there now.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 03-30-2007 11:21 AM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
nrs wrote:
> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> Is this true?
>


Yes. Same for having a dead battery in there, you are screwed.

Even in my old 86 it won't start with a push and no battery because the
alternator won't turn on with no power. It has to have a few volts in
there to get the alternator field active. The new ones have to turn on
a computer to turn on the alternator.

Push starting with no battery went out with the generator vehicles and
maybe some first generation alternators. They all need batteries of
some sort in there now.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 03-30-2007 11:29 AM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour ahead.
Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.

I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough to
> give the exact year.
>
> Earle
>
> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
>> Is this true?
>>

>
>


Mike Romain 03-30-2007 11:29 AM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour ahead.
Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.

I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough to
> give the exact year.
>
> Earle
>
> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
>> Is this true?
>>

>
>


Mike Romain 03-30-2007 11:29 AM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour ahead.
Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.

I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough to
> give the exact year.
>
> Earle
>
> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
>> Is this true?
>>

>
>


nrs 03-30-2007 12:00 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
On Mar 30, 10:21 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> > electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> > Is this true?

>
> Yes. Same for having a dead battery in there, you are screwed.
>
> Even in my old 86 it won't start with a push and no battery because the
> alternator won't turn on with no power. It has to have a few volts in
> there to get the alternator field active. The new ones have to turn on
> a computer to turn on the alternator.
>
> Push starting with no battery went out with the generator vehicles and
> maybe some first generation alternators. They all need batteries of
> some sort in there now.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


Thanks for the replies. I'll keep this in mind now, not be so
confident about being able to start.


nrs 03-30-2007 12:00 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
On Mar 30, 10:21 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> > electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> > Is this true?

>
> Yes. Same for having a dead battery in there, you are screwed.
>
> Even in my old 86 it won't start with a push and no battery because the
> alternator won't turn on with no power. It has to have a few volts in
> there to get the alternator field active. The new ones have to turn on
> a computer to turn on the alternator.
>
> Push starting with no battery went out with the generator vehicles and
> maybe some first generation alternators. They all need batteries of
> some sort in there now.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


Thanks for the replies. I'll keep this in mind now, not be so
confident about being able to start.


nrs 03-30-2007 12:00 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
On Mar 30, 10:21 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> > electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> > Is this true?

>
> Yes. Same for having a dead battery in there, you are screwed.
>
> Even in my old 86 it won't start with a push and no battery because the
> alternator won't turn on with no power. It has to have a few volts in
> there to get the alternator field active. The new ones have to turn on
> a computer to turn on the alternator.
>
> Push starting with no battery went out with the generator vehicles and
> maybe some first generation alternators. They all need batteries of
> some sort in there now.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


Thanks for the replies. I'll keep this in mind now, not be so
confident about being able to start.


Earle Horton 03-30-2007 12:12 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough to
give the exact year.

Earle

"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> Is this true?
>




Earle Horton 03-30-2007 12:12 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough to
give the exact year.

Earle

"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> Is this true?
>




Earle Horton 03-30-2007 12:12 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough to
give the exact year.

Earle

"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> Is this true?
>




Mike Romain 03-30-2007 12:58 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.

How is your time zone?

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft
> distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight Savings
> Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour ahead.
>> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>>
>> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
>>> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough

> to
>>> give the exact year.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>>>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
>>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
>>>> Is this true?
>>>>
>>>

>
>


Mike Romain 03-30-2007 12:58 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.

How is your time zone?

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft
> distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight Savings
> Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour ahead.
>> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>>
>> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
>>> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough

> to
>>> give the exact year.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>>>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
>>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
>>>> Is this true?
>>>>
>>>

>
>


Mike Romain 03-30-2007 12:58 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.

How is your time zone?

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft
> distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight Savings
> Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour ahead.
>> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>>
>> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
>>> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough

> to
>>> give the exact year.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>>>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
>>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
>>>> Is this true?
>>>>
>>>

>
>


Earle Horton 03-30-2007 01:21 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft
distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight Savings
Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour ahead.
> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>
> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
> > system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough

to
> > give the exact year.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
> >> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> >> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> >> Is this true?
> >>

> >
> >




Earle Horton 03-30-2007 01:21 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft
distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight Savings
Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour ahead.
> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>
> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
> > system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough

to
> > give the exact year.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
> >> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> >> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> >> Is this true?
> >>

> >
> >




Earle Horton 03-30-2007 01:21 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft
distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight Savings
Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour ahead.
> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>
> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
> > system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough

to
> > give the exact year.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
> >> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> >> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> >> Is this true?
> >>

> >
> >




Will Honea 03-30-2007 01:50 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Earl, -7 is MST. We are on MDT, at least in SE Colo., now. The headers show
that the qwest nntp server is getting your post one hour after you post it.

There is a gotcha in the Windows DST logic. If you applied the fixes while
the computer date was prior to the changeover, all went well. If the
computer date was AFTER the changeover date when the fix was applied, the
internal switches were never applied because the clock correction only
occurs only on two specific cases: date/time rollover ON the changeover
date or if the last update to the system clock occurred BEFORE the
changeover and the next update is AFTER the changeover. I had problems
with all the clocks on the church computers because I didn't run the
updates until after the new switch date.

Earle Horton wrote:

> Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
> characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
> government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
> second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
> GMT - 07:00.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
>>
>> How is your time zone?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>> > My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that
>> > Microsoft distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with
>> > Daylight

> Savings
>> > Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> >> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

> ahead.
>> >> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>> >>
>> >> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >>> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based
>> >>> charging
>> >>> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old
>> >>> enough
>> > to
>> >>> give the exact year.
>> >>>
>> >>> Earle
>> >>>
>> >>> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>> >>>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
>> >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in
>> >>>> it. Is this true?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >


--
Will Honea
whonea@yahoo.com

Will Honea 03-30-2007 01:50 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Earl, -7 is MST. We are on MDT, at least in SE Colo., now. The headers show
that the qwest nntp server is getting your post one hour after you post it.

There is a gotcha in the Windows DST logic. If you applied the fixes while
the computer date was prior to the changeover, all went well. If the
computer date was AFTER the changeover date when the fix was applied, the
internal switches were never applied because the clock correction only
occurs only on two specific cases: date/time rollover ON the changeover
date or if the last update to the system clock occurred BEFORE the
changeover and the next update is AFTER the changeover. I had problems
with all the clocks on the church computers because I didn't run the
updates until after the new switch date.

Earle Horton wrote:

> Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
> characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
> government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
> second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
> GMT - 07:00.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
>>
>> How is your time zone?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>> > My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that
>> > Microsoft distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with
>> > Daylight

> Savings
>> > Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> >> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

> ahead.
>> >> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>> >>
>> >> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >>> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based
>> >>> charging
>> >>> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old
>> >>> enough
>> > to
>> >>> give the exact year.
>> >>>
>> >>> Earle
>> >>>
>> >>> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>> >>>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
>> >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in
>> >>>> it. Is this true?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >


--
Will Honea
whonea@yahoo.com

Will Honea 03-30-2007 01:50 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Earl, -7 is MST. We are on MDT, at least in SE Colo., now. The headers show
that the qwest nntp server is getting your post one hour after you post it.

There is a gotcha in the Windows DST logic. If you applied the fixes while
the computer date was prior to the changeover, all went well. If the
computer date was AFTER the changeover date when the fix was applied, the
internal switches were never applied because the clock correction only
occurs only on two specific cases: date/time rollover ON the changeover
date or if the last update to the system clock occurred BEFORE the
changeover and the next update is AFTER the changeover. I had problems
with all the clocks on the church computers because I didn't run the
updates until after the new switch date.

Earle Horton wrote:

> Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
> characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
> government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
> second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
> GMT - 07:00.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
>>
>> How is your time zone?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>> > My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that
>> > Microsoft distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with
>> > Daylight

> Savings
>> > Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> >> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

> ahead.
>> >> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>> >>
>> >> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >>> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based
>> >>> charging
>> >>> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old
>> >>> enough
>> > to
>> >>> give the exact year.
>> >>>
>> >>> Earle
>> >>>
>> >>> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>> >>>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
>> >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in
>> >>>> it. Is this true?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >


--
Will Honea
whonea@yahoo.com

Mike Romain 03-30-2007 01:50 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Well, you are an hour ahead of yourself, just look at the newsgroup time
tag on this post. It says 2:20 here and it is only 1:50 still. Your
local one should show the time off too with this post of mine showing a
half hour earlier than yours....

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
> characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
> government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
> second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
> GMT - 07:00.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
>>
>> How is your time zone?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft
>>> distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight

> Savings
>>> Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>>> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

> ahead.
>>>> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>>>>
>>>> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>


Mike Romain 03-30-2007 01:50 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Well, you are an hour ahead of yourself, just look at the newsgroup time
tag on this post. It says 2:20 here and it is only 1:50 still. Your
local one should show the time off too with this post of mine showing a
half hour earlier than yours....

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
> characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
> government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
> second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
> GMT - 07:00.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
>>
>> How is your time zone?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft
>>> distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight

> Savings
>>> Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>>> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

> ahead.
>>>> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>>>>
>>>> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>


Mike Romain 03-30-2007 01:50 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Well, you are an hour ahead of yourself, just look at the newsgroup time
tag on this post. It says 2:20 here and it is only 1:50 still. Your
local one should show the time off too with this post of mine showing a
half hour earlier than yours....

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
> characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
> government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
> second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
> GMT - 07:00.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
>>
>> How is your time zone?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft
>>> distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight

> Savings
>>> Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>>> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

> ahead.
>>>> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>>>>
>>>> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>


Earle Horton 03-30-2007 02:20 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
GMT - 07:00.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
>
> How is your time zone?
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft
> > distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight

Savings
> > Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

ahead.
> >> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
> >>
> >> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
> >>> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough

> > to
> >>> give the exact year.
> >>>
> >>> Earle
> >>>
> >>> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
> >>>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> >>>> Is this true?
> >>>>
> >>>

> >
> >




Earle Horton 03-30-2007 02:20 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
GMT - 07:00.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
>
> How is your time zone?
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft
> > distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight

Savings
> > Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

ahead.
> >> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
> >>
> >> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
> >>> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough

> > to
> >>> give the exact year.
> >>>
> >>> Earle
> >>>
> >>> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
> >>>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> >>>> Is this true?
> >>>>
> >>>

> >
> >




Earle Horton 03-30-2007 02:20 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
GMT - 07:00.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
>
> How is your time zone?
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft
> > distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight

Savings
> > Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

ahead.
> >> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
> >>
> >> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging
> >>> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough

> > to
> >>> give the exact year.
> >>>
> >>> Earle
> >>>
> >>> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
> >>>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it.
> >>>> Is this true?
> >>>>
> >>>

> >
> >




Mike Romain 03-30-2007 05:06 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
I recently abandoned ship and went to Linux. Without you there
microcrap was just no good at all...

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> As you know, Microsoft went all to hell after I quit working for them. They
> sucked while I was there, but now they have gone all to hell. A temporary
> fix is that I am going to spend two days at my other house now, and if what
> Will says is right, that computer is OK.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:460d4de4$0$5350$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> Well, you are an hour ahead of yourself, just look at the newsgroup time
>> tag on this post. It says 2:20 here and it is only 1:50 still. Your
>> local one should show the time off too with this post of mine showing a
>> half hour earlier than yours....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
>>> characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
>>> government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
>>> second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
>>> GMT - 07:00.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>>> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
>>>>
>>>> How is your time zone?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>> My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that

> Microsoft
>>>>> distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight
>>> Savings
>>>>> Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
>>>>>
>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>>>>> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour
>>> ahead.
>>>>>> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>

>
>


Mike Romain 03-30-2007 05:06 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
I recently abandoned ship and went to Linux. Without you there
microcrap was just no good at all...

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> As you know, Microsoft went all to hell after I quit working for them. They
> sucked while I was there, but now they have gone all to hell. A temporary
> fix is that I am going to spend two days at my other house now, and if what
> Will says is right, that computer is OK.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:460d4de4$0$5350$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> Well, you are an hour ahead of yourself, just look at the newsgroup time
>> tag on this post. It says 2:20 here and it is only 1:50 still. Your
>> local one should show the time off too with this post of mine showing a
>> half hour earlier than yours....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
>>> characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
>>> government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
>>> second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
>>> GMT - 07:00.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>>> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
>>>>
>>>> How is your time zone?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>> My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that

> Microsoft
>>>>> distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight
>>> Savings
>>>>> Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
>>>>>
>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>>>>> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour
>>> ahead.
>>>>>> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>

>
>


Mike Romain 03-30-2007 05:06 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
I recently abandoned ship and went to Linux. Without you there
microcrap was just no good at all...

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
> As you know, Microsoft went all to hell after I quit working for them. They
> sucked while I was there, but now they have gone all to hell. A temporary
> fix is that I am going to spend two days at my other house now, and if what
> Will says is right, that computer is OK.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:460d4de4$0$5350$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> Well, you are an hour ahead of yourself, just look at the newsgroup time
>> tag on this post. It says 2:20 here and it is only 1:50 still. Your
>> local one should show the time off too with this post of mine showing a
>> half hour earlier than yours....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
>>> characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
>>> government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
>>> second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
>>> GMT - 07:00.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>>> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
>>>>
>>>> How is your time zone?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>> My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that

> Microsoft
>>>>> distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight
>>> Savings
>>>>> Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
>>>>>
>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>>>>> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour
>>> ahead.
>>>>>> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>

>
>


Earle Horton 03-30-2007 05:30 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
How could they screw up something so simple in principle? Oh yeah, I
forgot. What do I do now?

Thanks.

Earle

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:460d4ddc$0$497$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> Earl, -7 is MST. We are on MDT, at least in SE Colo., now. The headers

show
> that the qwest nntp server is getting your post one hour after you post

it.
>
> There is a gotcha in the Windows DST logic. If you applied the fixes

while
> the computer date was prior to the changeover, all went well. If the
> computer date was AFTER the changeover date when the fix was applied, the
> internal switches were never applied because the clock correction only
> occurs only on two specific cases: date/time rollover ON the changeover
> date or if the last update to the system clock occurred BEFORE the
> changeover and the next update is AFTER the changeover. I had problems
> with all the clocks on the church computers because I didn't run the
> updates until after the new switch date.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
> > characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
> > government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
> > second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
> > GMT - 07:00.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
> >>
> >> How is your time zone?
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that
> >> > Microsoft distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with
> >> > Daylight

> > Savings
> >> > Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >> >> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

> > ahead.
> >> >> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
> >> >>
> >> >> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >>> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based
> >> >>> charging
> >> >>> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old
> >> >>> enough
> >> > to
> >> >>> give the exact year.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Earle
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
> >> >>>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> >> >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in
> >> >>>> it. Is this true?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> >

>
> --
> Will Honea
> whonea@yahoo.com




Earle Horton 03-30-2007 05:30 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
How could they screw up something so simple in principle? Oh yeah, I
forgot. What do I do now?

Thanks.

Earle

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:460d4ddc$0$497$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> Earl, -7 is MST. We are on MDT, at least in SE Colo., now. The headers

show
> that the qwest nntp server is getting your post one hour after you post

it.
>
> There is a gotcha in the Windows DST logic. If you applied the fixes

while
> the computer date was prior to the changeover, all went well. If the
> computer date was AFTER the changeover date when the fix was applied, the
> internal switches were never applied because the clock correction only
> occurs only on two specific cases: date/time rollover ON the changeover
> date or if the last update to the system clock occurred BEFORE the
> changeover and the next update is AFTER the changeover. I had problems
> with all the clocks on the church computers because I didn't run the
> updates until after the new switch date.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
> > characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
> > government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
> > second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
> > GMT - 07:00.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
> >>
> >> How is your time zone?
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that
> >> > Microsoft distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with
> >> > Daylight

> > Savings
> >> > Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >> >> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

> > ahead.
> >> >> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
> >> >>
> >> >> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >>> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based
> >> >>> charging
> >> >>> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old
> >> >>> enough
> >> > to
> >> >>> give the exact year.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Earle
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
> >> >>>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> >> >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in
> >> >>>> it. Is this true?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> >

>
> --
> Will Honea
> whonea@yahoo.com




Earle Horton 03-30-2007 05:30 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
How could they screw up something so simple in principle? Oh yeah, I
forgot. What do I do now?

Thanks.

Earle

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:460d4ddc$0$497$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> Earl, -7 is MST. We are on MDT, at least in SE Colo., now. The headers

show
> that the qwest nntp server is getting your post one hour after you post

it.
>
> There is a gotcha in the Windows DST logic. If you applied the fixes

while
> the computer date was prior to the changeover, all went well. If the
> computer date was AFTER the changeover date when the fix was applied, the
> internal switches were never applied because the clock correction only
> occurs only on two specific cases: date/time rollover ON the changeover
> date or if the last update to the system clock occurred BEFORE the
> changeover and the next update is AFTER the changeover. I had problems
> with all the clocks on the church computers because I didn't run the
> updates until after the new switch date.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
> > characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
> > government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
> > second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
> > GMT - 07:00.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
> >>
> >> How is your time zone?
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that
> >> > Microsoft distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with
> >> > Daylight

> > Savings
> >> > Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >> >> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

> > ahead.
> >> >> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
> >> >>
> >> >> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >>> This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based
> >> >>> charging
> >> >>> system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old
> >> >>> enough
> >> > to
> >> >>> give the exact year.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Earle
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:1175267193.547785.47250@n59g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
> >> >>>> Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with
> >> >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in
> >> >>>> it. Is this true?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> >

>
> --
> Will Honea
> whonea@yahoo.com




Earle Horton 03-30-2007 05:35 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
As you know, Microsoft went all to hell after I quit working for them. They
sucked while I was there, but now they have gone all to hell. A temporary
fix is that I am going to spend two days at my other house now, and if what
Will says is right, that computer is OK.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:460d4de4$0$5350$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> Well, you are an hour ahead of yourself, just look at the newsgroup time
> tag on this post. It says 2:20 here and it is only 1:50 still. Your
> local one should show the time off too with this post of mine showing a
> half hour earlier than yours....
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
> > characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
> > government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
> > second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
> > GMT - 07:00.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
> >>
> >> How is your time zone?
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>> My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that

Microsoft
> >>> distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight

> > Savings
> >>> Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
> >>>
> >>> Earle
> >>>
> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >>>> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

> > ahead.
> >>>> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
> >>>>
> >>>> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>




Earle Horton 03-30-2007 05:35 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
As you know, Microsoft went all to hell after I quit working for them. They
sucked while I was there, but now they have gone all to hell. A temporary
fix is that I am going to spend two days at my other house now, and if what
Will says is right, that computer is OK.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:460d4de4$0$5350$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> Well, you are an hour ahead of yourself, just look at the newsgroup time
> tag on this post. It says 2:20 here and it is only 1:50 still. Your
> local one should show the time off too with this post of mine showing a
> half hour earlier than yours....
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
> > characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
> > government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
> > second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
> > GMT - 07:00.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
> >>
> >> How is your time zone?
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>> My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that

Microsoft
> >>> distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight

> > Savings
> >>> Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
> >>>
> >>> Earle
> >>>
> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >>>> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

> > ahead.
> >>>> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
> >>>>
> >>>> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>




Earle Horton 03-30-2007 05:35 PM

Re: Starting modern jeep question
 
As you know, Microsoft went all to hell after I quit working for them. They
sucked while I was there, but now they have gone all to hell. A temporary
fix is that I am going to spend two days at my other house now, and if what
Will says is right, that computer is OK.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:460d4de4$0$5350$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> Well, you are an hour ahead of yourself, just look at the newsgroup time
> tag on this post. It says 2:20 here and it is only 1:50 still. Your
> local one should show the time off too with this post of mine showing a
> half hour earlier than yours....
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the
> > characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our
> > government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the
> > second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in
> > GMT - 07:00.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:460d41ac$0$6651$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >> Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here.
> >>
> >> How is your time zone?
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>> My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that

Microsoft
> >>> distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight

> > Savings
> >>> Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque.
> >>>
> >>> Earle
> >>>
> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:460d2cc2$0$22671$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> >>>> Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour

> > ahead.
> >>>> Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is.
> >>>>
> >>>> I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts...
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>





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