Stalking ------- "Taylor Jimenez" NAILED as Joe Jared!!
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Re: Stalking ------- "Taylor Jimenez" NAILED as Joe Jared!!
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
wrote:
>British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the defendant
>must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
>American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff to
>show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused damage.
>I didn't realise this.
One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
better.
--
Taylor
'03 Audi S6 Avant
'05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
'98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
wrote:
>British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the defendant
>must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
>American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff to
>show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused damage.
>I didn't realise this.
One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
better.
--
Taylor
'03 Audi S6 Avant
'05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
'98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
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Re: Stalking ------- "Taylor Jimenez" NAILED as Joe Jared!!
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
wrote:
>British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the defendant
>must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
>American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff to
>show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused damage.
>I didn't realise this.
One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
better.
--
Taylor
'03 Audi S6 Avant
'05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
'98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
wrote:
>British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the defendant
>must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
>American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff to
>show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused damage.
>I didn't realise this.
One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
better.
--
Taylor
'03 Audi S6 Avant
'05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
'98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
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Re: Stalking ------- "Taylor Jimenez" NAILED as Joe Jared!!
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
wrote:
>British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the defendant
>must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
>American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff to
>show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused damage.
>I didn't realise this.
One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
better.
--
Taylor
'03 Audi S6 Avant
'05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
'98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
wrote:
>British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the defendant
>must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
>American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff to
>show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused damage.
>I didn't realise this.
One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
better.
--
Taylor
'03 Audi S6 Avant
'05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
'98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
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Re: Stalking ------- "Taylor Jimenez" NAILED as Joe Jared!!
Indeed. Also, frivolous lawsuits result in the prosecution lawyer getting
bollocked.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
news:4356ed57.355497093@wilhelp.com...
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
> wrote:
>
> >British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the
defendant
> >must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
> >American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff
to
> >show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused
damage.
> >I didn't realise this.
>
> One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
> for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
> there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
> lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
> better.
>
>
> --
> Taylor
>
> '03 Audi S6 Avant
> '05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
> '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
bollocked.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
news:4356ed57.355497093@wilhelp.com...
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
> wrote:
>
> >British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the
defendant
> >must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
> >American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff
to
> >show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused
damage.
> >I didn't realise this.
>
> One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
> for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
> there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
> lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
> better.
>
>
> --
> Taylor
>
> '03 Audi S6 Avant
> '05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
> '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
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Re: Stalking ------- "Taylor Jimenez" NAILED as Joe Jared!!
Indeed. Also, frivolous lawsuits result in the prosecution lawyer getting
bollocked.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
news:4356ed57.355497093@wilhelp.com...
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
> wrote:
>
> >British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the
defendant
> >must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
> >American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff
to
> >show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused
damage.
> >I didn't realise this.
>
> One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
> for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
> there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
> lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
> better.
>
>
> --
> Taylor
>
> '03 Audi S6 Avant
> '05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
> '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
bollocked.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
news:4356ed57.355497093@wilhelp.com...
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
> wrote:
>
> >British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the
defendant
> >must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
> >American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff
to
> >show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused
damage.
> >I didn't realise this.
>
> One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
> for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
> there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
> lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
> better.
>
>
> --
> Taylor
>
> '03 Audi S6 Avant
> '05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
> '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
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Re: Stalking ------- "Taylor Jimenez" NAILED as Joe Jared!!
Indeed. Also, frivolous lawsuits result in the prosecution lawyer getting
bollocked.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
news:4356ed57.355497093@wilhelp.com...
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
> wrote:
>
> >British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the
defendant
> >must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
> >American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff
to
> >show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused
damage.
> >I didn't realise this.
>
> One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
> for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
> there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
> lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
> better.
>
>
> --
> Taylor
>
> '03 Audi S6 Avant
> '05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
> '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
bollocked.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
news:4356ed57.355497093@wilhelp.com...
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
> wrote:
>
> >British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the
defendant
> >must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
> >American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff
to
> >show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused
damage.
> >I didn't realise this.
>
> One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
> for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
> there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
> lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
> better.
>
>
> --
> Taylor
>
> '03 Audi S6 Avant
> '05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
> '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
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Re: Stalking ------- "Taylor Jimenez" NAILED as Joe Jared!!
We have sanctions for frivolous lawsuits, and for frivolous defenses too,
and statutes that mandate paying the winner's attorney's fees under certain
circumstances. Usually, the threat of invoking one of these, whether it is
a statute, court rule, or case law, is enough to make frivolous lawsuits go
away, in the initial stages of the legal process. Theoretically, what are
left are those with some merit, both on the plaintiff and defense sides.
The fact that there are so many lawsuits, is more evidence that people just
don't get along, than anything else. People go to court, to settle
differences that they cannot settle outside of court. There are abuses of
course, but there are safeguards, even in lawyer-rich American society.
Precisely how does one use the word "bollock", or possibly "ballock", as a
verb? Americans want to know.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:hfS2f.126911$G8.27007@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Indeed. Also, frivolous lawsuits result in the prosecution lawyer getting
> bollocked.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
> news:4356ed57.355497093@wilhelp.com...
> > On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the
> defendant
> > >must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
> > >American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff
> to
> > >show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused
> damage.
> > >I didn't realise this.
> >
> > One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
> > for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
> > there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
> > lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
> > better.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Taylor
> >
> > '03 Audi S6 Avant
> > '05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
> > '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
>
>
>
and statutes that mandate paying the winner's attorney's fees under certain
circumstances. Usually, the threat of invoking one of these, whether it is
a statute, court rule, or case law, is enough to make frivolous lawsuits go
away, in the initial stages of the legal process. Theoretically, what are
left are those with some merit, both on the plaintiff and defense sides.
The fact that there are so many lawsuits, is more evidence that people just
don't get along, than anything else. People go to court, to settle
differences that they cannot settle outside of court. There are abuses of
course, but there are safeguards, even in lawyer-rich American society.
Precisely how does one use the word "bollock", or possibly "ballock", as a
verb? Americans want to know.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:hfS2f.126911$G8.27007@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Indeed. Also, frivolous lawsuits result in the prosecution lawyer getting
> bollocked.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
> news:4356ed57.355497093@wilhelp.com...
> > On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the
> defendant
> > >must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
> > >American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff
> to
> > >show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused
> damage.
> > >I didn't realise this.
> >
> > One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
> > for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
> > there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
> > lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
> > better.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Taylor
> >
> > '03 Audi S6 Avant
> > '05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
> > '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
>
>
>
#78
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Re: Stalking ------- "Taylor Jimenez" NAILED as Joe Jared!!
We have sanctions for frivolous lawsuits, and for frivolous defenses too,
and statutes that mandate paying the winner's attorney's fees under certain
circumstances. Usually, the threat of invoking one of these, whether it is
a statute, court rule, or case law, is enough to make frivolous lawsuits go
away, in the initial stages of the legal process. Theoretically, what are
left are those with some merit, both on the plaintiff and defense sides.
The fact that there are so many lawsuits, is more evidence that people just
don't get along, than anything else. People go to court, to settle
differences that they cannot settle outside of court. There are abuses of
course, but there are safeguards, even in lawyer-rich American society.
Precisely how does one use the word "bollock", or possibly "ballock", as a
verb? Americans want to know.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:hfS2f.126911$G8.27007@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Indeed. Also, frivolous lawsuits result in the prosecution lawyer getting
> bollocked.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
> news:4356ed57.355497093@wilhelp.com...
> > On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the
> defendant
> > >must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
> > >American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff
> to
> > >show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused
> damage.
> > >I didn't realise this.
> >
> > One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
> > for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
> > there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
> > lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
> > better.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Taylor
> >
> > '03 Audi S6 Avant
> > '05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
> > '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
>
>
>
and statutes that mandate paying the winner's attorney's fees under certain
circumstances. Usually, the threat of invoking one of these, whether it is
a statute, court rule, or case law, is enough to make frivolous lawsuits go
away, in the initial stages of the legal process. Theoretically, what are
left are those with some merit, both on the plaintiff and defense sides.
The fact that there are so many lawsuits, is more evidence that people just
don't get along, than anything else. People go to court, to settle
differences that they cannot settle outside of court. There are abuses of
course, but there are safeguards, even in lawyer-rich American society.
Precisely how does one use the word "bollock", or possibly "ballock", as a
verb? Americans want to know.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:hfS2f.126911$G8.27007@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Indeed. Also, frivolous lawsuits result in the prosecution lawyer getting
> bollocked.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
> news:4356ed57.355497093@wilhelp.com...
> > On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the
> defendant
> > >must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
> > >American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff
> to
> > >show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused
> damage.
> > >I didn't realise this.
> >
> > One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
> > for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
> > there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
> > lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
> > better.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Taylor
> >
> > '03 Audi S6 Avant
> > '05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
> > '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
>
>
>
#79
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Re: Stalking ------- "Taylor Jimenez" NAILED as Joe Jared!!
We have sanctions for frivolous lawsuits, and for frivolous defenses too,
and statutes that mandate paying the winner's attorney's fees under certain
circumstances. Usually, the threat of invoking one of these, whether it is
a statute, court rule, or case law, is enough to make frivolous lawsuits go
away, in the initial stages of the legal process. Theoretically, what are
left are those with some merit, both on the plaintiff and defense sides.
The fact that there are so many lawsuits, is more evidence that people just
don't get along, than anything else. People go to court, to settle
differences that they cannot settle outside of court. There are abuses of
course, but there are safeguards, even in lawyer-rich American society.
Precisely how does one use the word "bollock", or possibly "ballock", as a
verb? Americans want to know.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:hfS2f.126911$G8.27007@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Indeed. Also, frivolous lawsuits result in the prosecution lawyer getting
> bollocked.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
> news:4356ed57.355497093@wilhelp.com...
> > On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the
> defendant
> > >must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
> > >American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff
> to
> > >show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused
> damage.
> > >I didn't realise this.
> >
> > One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
> > for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
> > there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
> > lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
> > better.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Taylor
> >
> > '03 Audi S6 Avant
> > '05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
> > '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
>
>
>
and statutes that mandate paying the winner's attorney's fees under certain
circumstances. Usually, the threat of invoking one of these, whether it is
a statute, court rule, or case law, is enough to make frivolous lawsuits go
away, in the initial stages of the legal process. Theoretically, what are
left are those with some merit, both on the plaintiff and defense sides.
The fact that there are so many lawsuits, is more evidence that people just
don't get along, than anything else. People go to court, to settle
differences that they cannot settle outside of court. There are abuses of
course, but there are safeguards, even in lawyer-rich American society.
Precisely how does one use the word "bollock", or possibly "ballock", as a
verb? Americans want to know.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:hfS2f.126911$G8.27007@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Indeed. Also, frivolous lawsuits result in the prosecution lawyer getting
> bollocked.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
> news:4356ed57.355497093@wilhelp.com...
> > On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:12:36 GMT, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >British libel laws are considered pro-plaintiff, meaning that the
> defendant
> > >must prove that she or he did not commit libel. This is the opposite of
> > >American libel law, which places the burden of proof upon the plaintiff
> to
> > >show that the alleged libelous statement contained malice and caused
> damage.
> > >I didn't realise this.
> >
> > One thing that works well for the British though is the loser must pay
> > for all the costs... so there is not as much frivolous lawsuits over
> > there as there are here. If we could adopt that system many scumbag
> > lawyers would be out of business and perhaps our court system would work
> > better.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Taylor
> >
> > '03 Audi S6 Avant
> > '05 Mazda6 Wagon GT
> > '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
>
>
>
#80
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Re: Stalking ------- "Taylor Jimenez" NAILED as Joe Jared!!
Oh, is that a Brit only one ? Bollocking someone is to "bawl them out", give
them a hard time etc.
also can say "give someone a right bollocking" or "bust someone's ***** over
<insert reason>".
We don't use "ballock" as an alternative spelling btw.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:434bfeed$1_2@alt.athenanews.com...
> Precisely how does one use the word "bollock", or possibly "ballock", as a
> verb? Americans want to know.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:hfS2f.126911$G8.27007@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > Indeed. Also, frivolous lawsuits result in the prosecution lawyer
getting
> > bollocked.
them a hard time etc.
also can say "give someone a right bollocking" or "bust someone's ***** over
<insert reason>".
We don't use "ballock" as an alternative spelling btw.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:434bfeed$1_2@alt.athenanews.com...
> Precisely how does one use the word "bollock", or possibly "ballock", as a
> verb? Americans want to know.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:hfS2f.126911$G8.27007@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > Indeed. Also, frivolous lawsuits result in the prosecution lawyer
getting
> > bollocked.