Spring issues
08-18-2003, 09:55 AM
#1
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Spring issues
I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years old.
I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the
front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has
inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a
ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it
looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I
need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I
have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23
degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with
have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they
don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1"
lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as
always an issue.
I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the
front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has
inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a
ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it
looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I
need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I
have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23
degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with
have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they
don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1"
lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as
always an issue.
08-18-2003, 12:46 PM
#2
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Posts: n/a
Re: Spring issues
Are you removing your front sway bar for off road?
My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" ones
will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a back
tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings and
likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and then.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
cj573cj5 wrote:
>
> I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years old.
> I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the
> front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has
> inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a
> ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it
> looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I
> need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I
> have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23
> degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with
> have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they
> don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1"
> lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as
> always an issue.
My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" ones
will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a back
tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings and
likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and then.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
cj573cj5 wrote:
>
> I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years old.
> I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the
> front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has
> inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a
> ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it
> looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I
> need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I
> have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23
> degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with
> have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they
> don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1"
> lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as
> always an issue.
08-20-2003, 12:13 PM
#3
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Re: Spring issues
What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab
your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler
springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer
springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in
the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do
they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing
unexpected body lean?
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ...
> I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler
> sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I
> have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without
> compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm
> changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. I
> figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising my
> CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able to
> run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to be
> able to get way off camber.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca...
> > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road?
> >
> > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" ones
> > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a back
> > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
> >
> > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
> > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings and
> > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
> >
> > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and then.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years old.
> > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the
> > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has
> > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a
> > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it
> > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I
> > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I
> > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23
> > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with
> > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they
> > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1"
> > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as
> > > always an issue.
your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler
springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer
springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in
the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do
they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing
unexpected body lean?
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ...
> I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler
> sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I
> have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without
> compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm
> changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. I
> figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising my
> CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able to
> run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to be
> able to get way off camber.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca...
> > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road?
> >
> > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" ones
> > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a back
> > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
> >
> > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
> > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings and
> > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
> >
> > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and then.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years old.
> > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the
> > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has
> > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a
> > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it
> > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I
> > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I
> > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23
> > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with
> > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they
> > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1"
> > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as
> > > always an issue.
08-20-2003, 12:13 PM
#4
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Posts: n/a
Re: Spring issues
What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab
your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler
springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer
springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in
the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do
they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing
unexpected body lean?
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ...
> I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler
> sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I
> have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without
> compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm
> changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. I
> figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising my
> CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able to
> run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to be
> able to get way off camber.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca...
> > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road?
> >
> > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" ones
> > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a back
> > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
> >
> > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
> > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings and
> > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
> >
> > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and then.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years old.
> > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the
> > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has
> > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a
> > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it
> > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I
> > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I
> > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23
> > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with
> > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they
> > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1"
> > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as
> > > always an issue.
your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler
springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer
springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in
the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do
they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing
unexpected body lean?
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ...
> I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler
> sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I
> have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without
> compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm
> changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. I
> figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising my
> CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able to
> run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to be
> able to get way off camber.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca...
> > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road?
> >
> > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" ones
> > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a back
> > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
> >
> > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
> > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings and
> > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
> >
> > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and then.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years old.
> > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the
> > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has
> > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a
> > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it
> > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I
> > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I
> > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23
> > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with
> > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they
> > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1"
> > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as
> > > always an issue.
08-20-2003, 12:55 PM
#5
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spring issues
I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the
wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I
think.
I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear
set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured
I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a
spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one.
Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler
springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues.
I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put
a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first
leaf below the main one with the bushings.
They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in.
I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
cj573cj5 wrote:
>
> What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab
> your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler
> springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer
> springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in
> the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do
> they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing
> unexpected body lean?
>
> "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ...
> > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler
> > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I
> > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without
> > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm
> > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. I
> > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising my
> > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able to
> > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to be
> > able to get way off camber.
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca...
> > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road?
> > >
> > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" ones
> > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a back
> > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
> > >
> > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
> > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings and
> > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
> > >
> > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and then.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years old.
> > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the
> > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has
> > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a
> > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it
> > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I
> > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I
> > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23
> > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with
> > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they
> > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1"
> > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as
> > > > always an issue.
wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I
think.
I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear
set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured
I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a
spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one.
Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler
springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues.
I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put
a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first
leaf below the main one with the bushings.
They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in.
I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
cj573cj5 wrote:
>
> What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab
> your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler
> springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer
> springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in
> the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do
> they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing
> unexpected body lean?
>
> "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ...
> > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler
> > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I
> > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without
> > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm
> > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. I
> > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising my
> > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able to
> > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to be
> > able to get way off camber.
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca...
> > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road?
> > >
> > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" ones
> > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a back
> > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
> > >
> > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
> > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings and
> > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
> > >
> > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and then.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years old.
> > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the
> > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has
> > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a
> > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it
> > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I
> > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I
> > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23
> > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with
> > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they
> > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1"
> > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as
> > > > always an issue.
08-20-2003, 12:55 PM
#6
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spring issues
I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the
wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I
think.
I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear
set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured
I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a
spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one.
Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler
springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues.
I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put
a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first
leaf below the main one with the bushings.
They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in.
I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
cj573cj5 wrote:
>
> What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab
> your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler
> springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer
> springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in
> the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do
> they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing
> unexpected body lean?
>
> "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ...
> > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler
> > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I
> > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without
> > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm
> > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. I
> > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising my
> > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able to
> > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to be
> > able to get way off camber.
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca...
> > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road?
> > >
> > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" ones
> > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a back
> > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
> > >
> > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
> > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings and
> > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
> > >
> > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and then.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years old.
> > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the
> > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has
> > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a
> > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it
> > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I
> > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I
> > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23
> > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with
> > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they
> > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1"
> > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as
> > > > always an issue.
wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I
think.
I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear
set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured
I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a
spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one.
Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler
springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues.
I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put
a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first
leaf below the main one with the bushings.
They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in.
I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
cj573cj5 wrote:
>
> What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab
> your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler
> springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer
> springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in
> the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do
> they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing
> unexpected body lean?
>
> "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ...
> > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler
> > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I
> > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without
> > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm
> > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. I
> > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising my
> > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able to
> > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to be
> > able to get way off camber.
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca...
> > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road?
> > >
> > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" ones
> > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a back
> > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
> > >
> > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
> > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings and
> > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
> > >
> > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and then.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years old.
> > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the
> > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has
> > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a
> > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it
> > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I
> > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I
> > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23
> > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with
> > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they
> > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1"
> > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as
> > > > always an issue.
08-20-2003, 02:56 PM
#7
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spring issues
Ditto.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the
> wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I
> think.
>
> I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear
> set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured
> I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a
> spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one.
>
> Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler
> springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues.
>
> I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put
> a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first
> leaf below the main one with the bushings.
>
> They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in.
>
> I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the
> wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I
> think.
>
> I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear
> set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured
> I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a
> spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one.
>
> Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler
> springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues.
>
> I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put
> a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first
> leaf below the main one with the bushings.
>
> They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in.
>
> I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
08-20-2003, 02:56 PM
#8
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spring issues
Ditto.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the
> wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I
> think.
>
> I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear
> set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured
> I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a
> spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one.
>
> Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler
> springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues.
>
> I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put
> a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first
> leaf below the main one with the bushings.
>
> They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in.
>
> I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the
> wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I
> think.
>
> I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear
> set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured
> I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a
> spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one.
>
> Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler
> springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues.
>
> I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put
> a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first
> leaf below the main one with the bushings.
>
> They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in.
>
> I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
08-20-2003, 03:31 PM
#9
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spring issues
You would need a long shackle not to wrap wouldn't you?
Then you would need wedges to set the axles back straight or the
alignment will never set. Same for the driveshaft angle.
Mike
"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> Nope! Ten YJ spring can be installed in the original spring mounts on the
> frame (pre-76 Jeeps need the plates ------ an additional 1/2"). The
> additional length of the YJ springs is handled on the shackle end, the
> spring mounts are moved outward about 1" using adapted units available from
> OME, etc. YJ springs are a MAJOR improvement, esp on CJ5's.
>
> YJ tire rubbing issues are caused by the smaller tub wheelhouses, not the
> springs. However, if you're not doing a springover I'd go with a YJ lift as
> well as the conversion.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F43A7FD.1FE94CFA@sympatico.ca...
> > I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the
> > wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I
> > think.
> >
> > I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear
> > set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured
> > I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a
> > spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one.
> >
> > Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler
> > springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues.
> >
> > I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put
> > a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first
> > leaf below the main one with the bushings.
> >
> > They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in.
> >
> > I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > >
> > > What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab
> > > your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler
> > > springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer
> > > springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in
> > > the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do
> > > they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing
> > > unexpected body lean?
> > >
> > > "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ...
> > > > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock
> Wrangler
> > > > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation
> I
> > > > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without
> > > > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm
> > > > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater
> travel. I
> > > > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without
> raising my
> > > > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be
> able to
> > > > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough
> to be
> > > > able to get way off camber.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road?
> > > > >
> > > > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5"
> ones
> > > > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a
> back
> > > > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
> > > > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings
> and
> > > > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
> > > > >
> > > > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and
> then.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years
> old.
> > > > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in
> the
> > > > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed
> has
> > > > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went
> on a
> > > > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told
> it
> > > > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't
> flip). I
> > > > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference.
> I
> > > > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about
> 23
> > > > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> > > > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go
> with
> > > > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so
> they
> > > > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift
> 1"
> > > > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is
> as
> > > > > > always an issue.
Then you would need wedges to set the axles back straight or the
alignment will never set. Same for the driveshaft angle.
Mike
"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> Nope! Ten YJ spring can be installed in the original spring mounts on the
> frame (pre-76 Jeeps need the plates ------ an additional 1/2"). The
> additional length of the YJ springs is handled on the shackle end, the
> spring mounts are moved outward about 1" using adapted units available from
> OME, etc. YJ springs are a MAJOR improvement, esp on CJ5's.
>
> YJ tire rubbing issues are caused by the smaller tub wheelhouses, not the
> springs. However, if you're not doing a springover I'd go with a YJ lift as
> well as the conversion.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F43A7FD.1FE94CFA@sympatico.ca...
> > I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the
> > wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I
> > think.
> >
> > I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear
> > set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured
> > I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a
> > spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one.
> >
> > Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler
> > springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues.
> >
> > I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put
> > a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first
> > leaf below the main one with the bushings.
> >
> > They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in.
> >
> > I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > >
> > > What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab
> > > your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler
> > > springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer
> > > springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in
> > > the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do
> > > they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing
> > > unexpected body lean?
> > >
> > > "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ...
> > > > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock
> Wrangler
> > > > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation
> I
> > > > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without
> > > > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm
> > > > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater
> travel. I
> > > > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without
> raising my
> > > > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be
> able to
> > > > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough
> to be
> > > > able to get way off camber.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road?
> > > > >
> > > > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5"
> ones
> > > > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a
> back
> > > > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
> > > > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings
> and
> > > > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
> > > > >
> > > > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and
> then.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years
> old.
> > > > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in
> the
> > > > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed
> has
> > > > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went
> on a
> > > > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told
> it
> > > > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't
> flip). I
> > > > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference.
> I
> > > > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about
> 23
> > > > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> > > > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go
> with
> > > > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so
> they
> > > > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift
> 1"
> > > > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is
> as
> > > > > > always an issue.
08-20-2003, 03:31 PM
#10
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spring issues
You would need a long shackle not to wrap wouldn't you?
Then you would need wedges to set the axles back straight or the
alignment will never set. Same for the driveshaft angle.
Mike
"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> Nope! Ten YJ spring can be installed in the original spring mounts on the
> frame (pre-76 Jeeps need the plates ------ an additional 1/2"). The
> additional length of the YJ springs is handled on the shackle end, the
> spring mounts are moved outward about 1" using adapted units available from
> OME, etc. YJ springs are a MAJOR improvement, esp on CJ5's.
>
> YJ tire rubbing issues are caused by the smaller tub wheelhouses, not the
> springs. However, if you're not doing a springover I'd go with a YJ lift as
> well as the conversion.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F43A7FD.1FE94CFA@sympatico.ca...
> > I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the
> > wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I
> > think.
> >
> > I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear
> > set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured
> > I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a
> > spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one.
> >
> > Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler
> > springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues.
> >
> > I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put
> > a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first
> > leaf below the main one with the bushings.
> >
> > They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in.
> >
> > I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > >
> > > What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab
> > > your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler
> > > springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer
> > > springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in
> > > the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do
> > > they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing
> > > unexpected body lean?
> > >
> > > "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ...
> > > > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock
> Wrangler
> > > > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation
> I
> > > > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without
> > > > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm
> > > > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater
> travel. I
> > > > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without
> raising my
> > > > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be
> able to
> > > > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough
> to be
> > > > able to get way off camber.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road?
> > > > >
> > > > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5"
> ones
> > > > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a
> back
> > > > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
> > > > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings
> and
> > > > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
> > > > >
> > > > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and
> then.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years
> old.
> > > > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in
> the
> > > > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed
> has
> > > > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went
> on a
> > > > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told
> it
> > > > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't
> flip). I
> > > > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference.
> I
> > > > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about
> 23
> > > > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> > > > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go
> with
> > > > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so
> they
> > > > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift
> 1"
> > > > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is
> as
> > > > > > always an issue.
Then you would need wedges to set the axles back straight or the
alignment will never set. Same for the driveshaft angle.
Mike
"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> Nope! Ten YJ spring can be installed in the original spring mounts on the
> frame (pre-76 Jeeps need the plates ------ an additional 1/2"). The
> additional length of the YJ springs is handled on the shackle end, the
> spring mounts are moved outward about 1" using adapted units available from
> OME, etc. YJ springs are a MAJOR improvement, esp on CJ5's.
>
> YJ tire rubbing issues are caused by the smaller tub wheelhouses, not the
> springs. However, if you're not doing a springover I'd go with a YJ lift as
> well as the conversion.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F43A7FD.1FE94CFA@sympatico.ca...
> > I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the
> > wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I
> > think.
> >
> > I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear
> > set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured
> > I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a
> > spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one.
> >
> > Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler
> > springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues.
> >
> > I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put
> > a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first
> > leaf below the main one with the bushings.
> >
> > They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in.
> >
> > I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > >
> > > What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab
> > > your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler
> > > springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer
> > > springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in
> > > the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do
> > > they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing
> > > unexpected body lean?
> > >
> > > "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ...
> > > > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock
> Wrangler
> > > > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation
> I
> > > > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without
> > > > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm
> > > > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater
> travel. I
> > > > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without
> raising my
> > > > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be
> able to
> > > > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough
> to be
> > > > able to get way off camber.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road?
> > > > >
> > > > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5"
> ones
> > > > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a
> back
> > > > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't
> > > > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings
> and
> > > > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'...
> > > > >
> > > > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a **** now and
> then.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > cj573cj5 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years
> old.
> > > > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in
> the
> > > > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed
> has
> > > > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went
> on a
> > > > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told
> it
> > > > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't
> flip). I
> > > > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference.
> I
> > > > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about
> 23
> > > > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't
> > > > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go
> with
> > > > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so
> they
> > > > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift
> 1"
> > > > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is
> as
> > > > > > always an issue.