Speaker Choice for 1997 Wrangler ??
12-02-2006, 02:39 PM
#11
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Re: Speaker Choice for 1997 Wrangler ??
I would definitely shy away from using the stock front locations, since
there's no really good way to separate the front of the speaker from
the back (never mind have a sealed enclosure with any kind of decent
volume), which will rob all your efficiency and bass response, plus
they're pointed at your knees. I made small enclosures aimed up at the
opposite side listener that are on the floor just below the front of
the doors, in my '97 TJ. Sounds great and you can also just buy them
from Crutchfield or Quadratec. They're not as ideal as kick panel
pods, but they don't get in the way of the pedals (which would've been
my biggest challenge had I gone that route), and they don't get in the
way getting in and out. Other than that, make sure you have an
outboard amp pushing at least 30X2 RMS, and you should be good, even at
80mph, hard or soft, top up or down.
IMHO, the enclosure and placement are the most important things in a
Jeep, where it is so noisy.
I would also just install mids in the sound bar, so as not to ruin your
soundstage (too much) and fill in what may be lost to road noise.
Also, put most of your power and money in the front.
Oh yeah, I use coax's, but if you do components, you can place the
tweets atop the dash (yes, maybe with tape) where you don't have to
push them so hard, but you may screw up the sound overall, them being
so far from their matched mid/woofer counterparts.
Good luck!
Rich
James wrote:
> I have a 1997 Jeep Wrangler. Using an adaptor, I can install 5 1/4
> speakers in the front, and the same size in the sound bar (attached to my
> roll bar).
>
> I think that I have narrowed my choice down to two speakers. First, I am
> considering the Polk Audio db5250. This is a component speaker, including
> a separate 1 inch silk dome tweeter, and external crossovers.
>
> The second speakers that I am considering is the Infinity Kappa 52.7i.
> This is not a component speaker, but it does include a center-mounted 1
> inch metal composite tweeter. The tweeters can be rotated up to 270
> degrees for best imaging.
>
> At first glance, I would think that the Polk component speaker would be the
> best choice. But, I would have to figure out how and where to mount the
> tweeters, as well as the crossovers. (I am not sure how you
> "surface-mount" a tweeter. Is is done with an adhesive product, or a
> center screw, or what?)
>
> IF I could be assured that the Infinity Kappa would sound as good, that
> would be a very simple, drop-in solution for me. But, I would go to the
> extra trouble to install the Polk component speakers if they have a decisive
> advantage. Price is not a critical difference when comparing these speaker
> sets.
>
> My goals are to have a very solid, decent-sounding music system in this
> Jeep. I have the Alpine 9857, and I do plan to add an amp down the line.
> Eventually, I will add a simple powered sub-woofer, something like an 8
> inch or 10 inch Bazooka.
>
> For now, my goal is to have very solid mids with "some" decent bass, and
> nice, clear highs. I listen to New Age, Popular, Country, and some light
> Jazz. No rap for me, at my age.
>
> Can any of you compare these two speakers for me ? Are the component
> speakers worth the extra installation effort ?
>
> Thank you very much for any advice or tips !!
>
> --James--
there's no really good way to separate the front of the speaker from
the back (never mind have a sealed enclosure with any kind of decent
volume), which will rob all your efficiency and bass response, plus
they're pointed at your knees. I made small enclosures aimed up at the
opposite side listener that are on the floor just below the front of
the doors, in my '97 TJ. Sounds great and you can also just buy them
from Crutchfield or Quadratec. They're not as ideal as kick panel
pods, but they don't get in the way of the pedals (which would've been
my biggest challenge had I gone that route), and they don't get in the
way getting in and out. Other than that, make sure you have an
outboard amp pushing at least 30X2 RMS, and you should be good, even at
80mph, hard or soft, top up or down.
IMHO, the enclosure and placement are the most important things in a
Jeep, where it is so noisy.
I would also just install mids in the sound bar, so as not to ruin your
soundstage (too much) and fill in what may be lost to road noise.
Also, put most of your power and money in the front.
Oh yeah, I use coax's, but if you do components, you can place the
tweets atop the dash (yes, maybe with tape) where you don't have to
push them so hard, but you may screw up the sound overall, them being
so far from their matched mid/woofer counterparts.
Good luck!
Rich
James wrote:
> I have a 1997 Jeep Wrangler. Using an adaptor, I can install 5 1/4
> speakers in the front, and the same size in the sound bar (attached to my
> roll bar).
>
> I think that I have narrowed my choice down to two speakers. First, I am
> considering the Polk Audio db5250. This is a component speaker, including
> a separate 1 inch silk dome tweeter, and external crossovers.
>
> The second speakers that I am considering is the Infinity Kappa 52.7i.
> This is not a component speaker, but it does include a center-mounted 1
> inch metal composite tweeter. The tweeters can be rotated up to 270
> degrees for best imaging.
>
> At first glance, I would think that the Polk component speaker would be the
> best choice. But, I would have to figure out how and where to mount the
> tweeters, as well as the crossovers. (I am not sure how you
> "surface-mount" a tweeter. Is is done with an adhesive product, or a
> center screw, or what?)
>
> IF I could be assured that the Infinity Kappa would sound as good, that
> would be a very simple, drop-in solution for me. But, I would go to the
> extra trouble to install the Polk component speakers if they have a decisive
> advantage. Price is not a critical difference when comparing these speaker
> sets.
>
> My goals are to have a very solid, decent-sounding music system in this
> Jeep. I have the Alpine 9857, and I do plan to add an amp down the line.
> Eventually, I will add a simple powered sub-woofer, something like an 8
> inch or 10 inch Bazooka.
>
> For now, my goal is to have very solid mids with "some" decent bass, and
> nice, clear highs. I listen to New Age, Popular, Country, and some light
> Jazz. No rap for me, at my age.
>
> Can any of you compare these two speakers for me ? Are the component
> speakers worth the extra installation effort ?
>
> Thank you very much for any advice or tips !!
>
> --James--
12-02-2006, 02:39 PM
#12
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Re: Speaker Choice for 1997 Wrangler ??
I would definitely shy away from using the stock front locations, since
there's no really good way to separate the front of the speaker from
the back (never mind have a sealed enclosure with any kind of decent
volume), which will rob all your efficiency and bass response, plus
they're pointed at your knees. I made small enclosures aimed up at the
opposite side listener that are on the floor just below the front of
the doors, in my '97 TJ. Sounds great and you can also just buy them
from Crutchfield or Quadratec. They're not as ideal as kick panel
pods, but they don't get in the way of the pedals (which would've been
my biggest challenge had I gone that route), and they don't get in the
way getting in and out. Other than that, make sure you have an
outboard amp pushing at least 30X2 RMS, and you should be good, even at
80mph, hard or soft, top up or down.
IMHO, the enclosure and placement are the most important things in a
Jeep, where it is so noisy.
I would also just install mids in the sound bar, so as not to ruin your
soundstage (too much) and fill in what may be lost to road noise.
Also, put most of your power and money in the front.
Oh yeah, I use coax's, but if you do components, you can place the
tweets atop the dash (yes, maybe with tape) where you don't have to
push them so hard, but you may screw up the sound overall, them being
so far from their matched mid/woofer counterparts.
Good luck!
Rich
James wrote:
> I have a 1997 Jeep Wrangler. Using an adaptor, I can install 5 1/4
> speakers in the front, and the same size in the sound bar (attached to my
> roll bar).
>
> I think that I have narrowed my choice down to two speakers. First, I am
> considering the Polk Audio db5250. This is a component speaker, including
> a separate 1 inch silk dome tweeter, and external crossovers.
>
> The second speakers that I am considering is the Infinity Kappa 52.7i.
> This is not a component speaker, but it does include a center-mounted 1
> inch metal composite tweeter. The tweeters can be rotated up to 270
> degrees for best imaging.
>
> At first glance, I would think that the Polk component speaker would be the
> best choice. But, I would have to figure out how and where to mount the
> tweeters, as well as the crossovers. (I am not sure how you
> "surface-mount" a tweeter. Is is done with an adhesive product, or a
> center screw, or what?)
>
> IF I could be assured that the Infinity Kappa would sound as good, that
> would be a very simple, drop-in solution for me. But, I would go to the
> extra trouble to install the Polk component speakers if they have a decisive
> advantage. Price is not a critical difference when comparing these speaker
> sets.
>
> My goals are to have a very solid, decent-sounding music system in this
> Jeep. I have the Alpine 9857, and I do plan to add an amp down the line.
> Eventually, I will add a simple powered sub-woofer, something like an 8
> inch or 10 inch Bazooka.
>
> For now, my goal is to have very solid mids with "some" decent bass, and
> nice, clear highs. I listen to New Age, Popular, Country, and some light
> Jazz. No rap for me, at my age.
>
> Can any of you compare these two speakers for me ? Are the component
> speakers worth the extra installation effort ?
>
> Thank you very much for any advice or tips !!
>
> --James--
there's no really good way to separate the front of the speaker from
the back (never mind have a sealed enclosure with any kind of decent
volume), which will rob all your efficiency and bass response, plus
they're pointed at your knees. I made small enclosures aimed up at the
opposite side listener that are on the floor just below the front of
the doors, in my '97 TJ. Sounds great and you can also just buy them
from Crutchfield or Quadratec. They're not as ideal as kick panel
pods, but they don't get in the way of the pedals (which would've been
my biggest challenge had I gone that route), and they don't get in the
way getting in and out. Other than that, make sure you have an
outboard amp pushing at least 30X2 RMS, and you should be good, even at
80mph, hard or soft, top up or down.
IMHO, the enclosure and placement are the most important things in a
Jeep, where it is so noisy.
I would also just install mids in the sound bar, so as not to ruin your
soundstage (too much) and fill in what may be lost to road noise.
Also, put most of your power and money in the front.
Oh yeah, I use coax's, but if you do components, you can place the
tweets atop the dash (yes, maybe with tape) where you don't have to
push them so hard, but you may screw up the sound overall, them being
so far from their matched mid/woofer counterparts.
Good luck!
Rich
James wrote:
> I have a 1997 Jeep Wrangler. Using an adaptor, I can install 5 1/4
> speakers in the front, and the same size in the sound bar (attached to my
> roll bar).
>
> I think that I have narrowed my choice down to two speakers. First, I am
> considering the Polk Audio db5250. This is a component speaker, including
> a separate 1 inch silk dome tweeter, and external crossovers.
>
> The second speakers that I am considering is the Infinity Kappa 52.7i.
> This is not a component speaker, but it does include a center-mounted 1
> inch metal composite tweeter. The tweeters can be rotated up to 270
> degrees for best imaging.
>
> At first glance, I would think that the Polk component speaker would be the
> best choice. But, I would have to figure out how and where to mount the
> tweeters, as well as the crossovers. (I am not sure how you
> "surface-mount" a tweeter. Is is done with an adhesive product, or a
> center screw, or what?)
>
> IF I could be assured that the Infinity Kappa would sound as good, that
> would be a very simple, drop-in solution for me. But, I would go to the
> extra trouble to install the Polk component speakers if they have a decisive
> advantage. Price is not a critical difference when comparing these speaker
> sets.
>
> My goals are to have a very solid, decent-sounding music system in this
> Jeep. I have the Alpine 9857, and I do plan to add an amp down the line.
> Eventually, I will add a simple powered sub-woofer, something like an 8
> inch or 10 inch Bazooka.
>
> For now, my goal is to have very solid mids with "some" decent bass, and
> nice, clear highs. I listen to New Age, Popular, Country, and some light
> Jazz. No rap for me, at my age.
>
> Can any of you compare these two speakers for me ? Are the component
> speakers worth the extra installation effort ?
>
> Thank you very much for any advice or tips !!
>
> --James--
12-02-2006, 02:39 PM
#13
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Re: Speaker Choice for 1997 Wrangler ??
I would definitely shy away from using the stock front locations, since
there's no really good way to separate the front of the speaker from
the back (never mind have a sealed enclosure with any kind of decent
volume), which will rob all your efficiency and bass response, plus
they're pointed at your knees. I made small enclosures aimed up at the
opposite side listener that are on the floor just below the front of
the doors, in my '97 TJ. Sounds great and you can also just buy them
from Crutchfield or Quadratec. They're not as ideal as kick panel
pods, but they don't get in the way of the pedals (which would've been
my biggest challenge had I gone that route), and they don't get in the
way getting in and out. Other than that, make sure you have an
outboard amp pushing at least 30X2 RMS, and you should be good, even at
80mph, hard or soft, top up or down.
IMHO, the enclosure and placement are the most important things in a
Jeep, where it is so noisy.
I would also just install mids in the sound bar, so as not to ruin your
soundstage (too much) and fill in what may be lost to road noise.
Also, put most of your power and money in the front.
Oh yeah, I use coax's, but if you do components, you can place the
tweets atop the dash (yes, maybe with tape) where you don't have to
push them so hard, but you may screw up the sound overall, them being
so far from their matched mid/woofer counterparts.
Good luck!
Rich
James wrote:
> I have a 1997 Jeep Wrangler. Using an adaptor, I can install 5 1/4
> speakers in the front, and the same size in the sound bar (attached to my
> roll bar).
>
> I think that I have narrowed my choice down to two speakers. First, I am
> considering the Polk Audio db5250. This is a component speaker, including
> a separate 1 inch silk dome tweeter, and external crossovers.
>
> The second speakers that I am considering is the Infinity Kappa 52.7i.
> This is not a component speaker, but it does include a center-mounted 1
> inch metal composite tweeter. The tweeters can be rotated up to 270
> degrees for best imaging.
>
> At first glance, I would think that the Polk component speaker would be the
> best choice. But, I would have to figure out how and where to mount the
> tweeters, as well as the crossovers. (I am not sure how you
> "surface-mount" a tweeter. Is is done with an adhesive product, or a
> center screw, or what?)
>
> IF I could be assured that the Infinity Kappa would sound as good, that
> would be a very simple, drop-in solution for me. But, I would go to the
> extra trouble to install the Polk component speakers if they have a decisive
> advantage. Price is not a critical difference when comparing these speaker
> sets.
>
> My goals are to have a very solid, decent-sounding music system in this
> Jeep. I have the Alpine 9857, and I do plan to add an amp down the line.
> Eventually, I will add a simple powered sub-woofer, something like an 8
> inch or 10 inch Bazooka.
>
> For now, my goal is to have very solid mids with "some" decent bass, and
> nice, clear highs. I listen to New Age, Popular, Country, and some light
> Jazz. No rap for me, at my age.
>
> Can any of you compare these two speakers for me ? Are the component
> speakers worth the extra installation effort ?
>
> Thank you very much for any advice or tips !!
>
> --James--
there's no really good way to separate the front of the speaker from
the back (never mind have a sealed enclosure with any kind of decent
volume), which will rob all your efficiency and bass response, plus
they're pointed at your knees. I made small enclosures aimed up at the
opposite side listener that are on the floor just below the front of
the doors, in my '97 TJ. Sounds great and you can also just buy them
from Crutchfield or Quadratec. They're not as ideal as kick panel
pods, but they don't get in the way of the pedals (which would've been
my biggest challenge had I gone that route), and they don't get in the
way getting in and out. Other than that, make sure you have an
outboard amp pushing at least 30X2 RMS, and you should be good, even at
80mph, hard or soft, top up or down.
IMHO, the enclosure and placement are the most important things in a
Jeep, where it is so noisy.
I would also just install mids in the sound bar, so as not to ruin your
soundstage (too much) and fill in what may be lost to road noise.
Also, put most of your power and money in the front.
Oh yeah, I use coax's, but if you do components, you can place the
tweets atop the dash (yes, maybe with tape) where you don't have to
push them so hard, but you may screw up the sound overall, them being
so far from their matched mid/woofer counterparts.
Good luck!
Rich
James wrote:
> I have a 1997 Jeep Wrangler. Using an adaptor, I can install 5 1/4
> speakers in the front, and the same size in the sound bar (attached to my
> roll bar).
>
> I think that I have narrowed my choice down to two speakers. First, I am
> considering the Polk Audio db5250. This is a component speaker, including
> a separate 1 inch silk dome tweeter, and external crossovers.
>
> The second speakers that I am considering is the Infinity Kappa 52.7i.
> This is not a component speaker, but it does include a center-mounted 1
> inch metal composite tweeter. The tweeters can be rotated up to 270
> degrees for best imaging.
>
> At first glance, I would think that the Polk component speaker would be the
> best choice. But, I would have to figure out how and where to mount the
> tweeters, as well as the crossovers. (I am not sure how you
> "surface-mount" a tweeter. Is is done with an adhesive product, or a
> center screw, or what?)
>
> IF I could be assured that the Infinity Kappa would sound as good, that
> would be a very simple, drop-in solution for me. But, I would go to the
> extra trouble to install the Polk component speakers if they have a decisive
> advantage. Price is not a critical difference when comparing these speaker
> sets.
>
> My goals are to have a very solid, decent-sounding music system in this
> Jeep. I have the Alpine 9857, and I do plan to add an amp down the line.
> Eventually, I will add a simple powered sub-woofer, something like an 8
> inch or 10 inch Bazooka.
>
> For now, my goal is to have very solid mids with "some" decent bass, and
> nice, clear highs. I listen to New Age, Popular, Country, and some light
> Jazz. No rap for me, at my age.
>
> Can any of you compare these two speakers for me ? Are the component
> speakers worth the extra installation effort ?
>
> Thank you very much for any advice or tips !!
>
> --James--
12-02-2006, 03:24 PM
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Re: Speaker Choice for 1997 Wrangler ??
Rich, if the tweeters are mounted on **top** of the dash, they will be
pointed straight up, of course.
Are you assuming the highs will bounce off the windshield and reflect back
to the listener ?
Anyone here used those speaker Pods from Crutchfield in a Jeep Wrangler ?
Thanks for the comments Rich !!
--james--
pointed straight up, of course.
Are you assuming the highs will bounce off the windshield and reflect back
to the listener ?
Anyone here used those speaker Pods from Crutchfield in a Jeep Wrangler ?
Thanks for the comments Rich !!
--james--
12-02-2006, 03:24 PM
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Re: Speaker Choice for 1997 Wrangler ??
Rich, if the tweeters are mounted on **top** of the dash, they will be
pointed straight up, of course.
Are you assuming the highs will bounce off the windshield and reflect back
to the listener ?
Anyone here used those speaker Pods from Crutchfield in a Jeep Wrangler ?
Thanks for the comments Rich !!
--james--
pointed straight up, of course.
Are you assuming the highs will bounce off the windshield and reflect back
to the listener ?
Anyone here used those speaker Pods from Crutchfield in a Jeep Wrangler ?
Thanks for the comments Rich !!
--james--
12-02-2006, 03:24 PM
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Re: Speaker Choice for 1997 Wrangler ??
Rich, if the tweeters are mounted on **top** of the dash, they will be
pointed straight up, of course.
Are you assuming the highs will bounce off the windshield and reflect back
to the listener ?
Anyone here used those speaker Pods from Crutchfield in a Jeep Wrangler ?
Thanks for the comments Rich !!
--james--
pointed straight up, of course.
Are you assuming the highs will bounce off the windshield and reflect back
to the listener ?
Anyone here used those speaker Pods from Crutchfield in a Jeep Wrangler ?
Thanks for the comments Rich !!
--james--
12-02-2006, 03:51 PM
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Re: Speaker Choice for 1997 Wrangler ??
"James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
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> Rich, if the tweeters are mounted on **top** of the dash, they will be
> pointed straight up, of course.
>
> Are you assuming the highs will bounce off the windshield and reflect
> back
> to the listener ?
>
If you do that, then the sound waves will be reversed and it will sound
"backward." Not play backward, but sound backward.
;-)
12-02-2006, 03:51 PM
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Re: Speaker Choice for 1997 Wrangler ??
"James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
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> Rich, if the tweeters are mounted on **top** of the dash, they will be
> pointed straight up, of course.
>
> Are you assuming the highs will bounce off the windshield and reflect
> back
> to the listener ?
>
If you do that, then the sound waves will be reversed and it will sound
"backward." Not play backward, but sound backward.
;-)
12-02-2006, 03:51 PM
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Re: Speaker Choice for 1997 Wrangler ??
"James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
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> Rich, if the tweeters are mounted on **top** of the dash, they will be
> pointed straight up, of course.
>
> Are you assuming the highs will bounce off the windshield and reflect
> back
> to the listener ?
>
If you do that, then the sound waves will be reversed and it will sound
"backward." Not play backward, but sound backward.
;-)
12-02-2006, 04:23 PM
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Re: Speaker Choice for 1997 Wrangler ??
That may be true (not sure), but in my 2000 JGC the tweeters are mounted on
TOP of the dash, and the sounds must bounce off the windshield, as it sounds
great !
But, the windshield in that car angles back at a much greater angle than in
the 1997 Wrangler. The Wrangler windshield angles back a bit, but not by
much. So, I don't know how the would be.
Now that I have read your unsigned comment again, I must confess it must be
a troll !! No, I don't think the sound wave would "reverse" !!!
--James--
If you do that, then the sound waves will be reversed and it will sound
"backward." Not play backward, but sound backward.
;-)
TOP of the dash, and the sounds must bounce off the windshield, as it sounds
great !
But, the windshield in that car angles back at a much greater angle than in
the 1997 Wrangler. The Wrangler windshield angles back a bit, but not by
much. So, I don't know how the would be.
Now that I have read your unsigned comment again, I must confess it must be
a troll !! No, I don't think the sound wave would "reverse" !!!
--James--
If you do that, then the sound waves will be reversed and it will sound
"backward." Not play backward, but sound backward.
;-)
