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two points here.

1. Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off topic. They did not
=
bother me nor apparently quite a few other people. They must have found
=
it informative enough to inquire further ?

What pissed me off enough to comment, were the replies Alan received. =
Both of his posts were followed up by nothing more than childish, =
immature, useless sh!t There was one rude comment followed by another.
=
Then, like a bunch of lemmings, the rest of the 7 to 12 who think they =
are the "brotherhood of RAMJW" no more than a social, internet "clique"
=
followed in to bash him. Is this the way you all intend to uphold this
=
so called "charter" ? by using the mamblings of 3 year olds ? This =
hasn't happened to just Alan's posts.. but every post in here that seems
=
to ruffle the feathers of the Ignorant Dozen.

There wasn't one mature reply to neither of his posts. If one could have
=
written in a kindly manner, stating this group was only for discussion =
then I might be able to understand. That fact was stated but so rudely.
=
Someone could have pointed him to the charter, wherever available =
online, so he could read this crap for himself.

2. forbidden ? that sounds rather rude!. das foridden !! Is this all =
mighty "charter" THAT TIGHT-ASSED as to not let someone post about a new
=
Jeep product ? That is not spamming. That charter needs to be revised =
and all that hold it's words so tightly up their asses, needs to pull it
=
out and lighten up. I don't give two rats asses who came up with these
=
initial words to get this group carried acrossed the net. Once it is =
made available to the public it isn't the property of any one person =
anymore but rather the group. I would bet most anyone would like to =
hear about new products. That is part of discussion. if you all =
simply must follow this charter to the letter, then get ~everyone's~ =
opinion in on revising it. Limiting China to the western world only =
retarded its growth for centuries. =20

Reading the "opinions" and "appropriate content" of only the "Ignorant =
Dozen" limits this group as well.

I'm not saying all this to bash anyone in this group. Everyone =
contributes highly and I respect the advice given by the senior Jeepers
=
here but jesus, acting the way some of you do and showing others the way
=
"Jeepers" act only makes me (and probably) others not want to be =
associated with that way of thinking. .. and don't worry, I am not =
threatening to go away because I don't like the attitudes of a few lame
=
asses.

Dan

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message =
news:0ChGb.697$j42.328@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Wrong, D.L. Commercial ads are forbidden. You are giving Alan bad =
advice.
>=20
> D.L. wrote:
>=20
> > The only thing I would apologize for was the sneaky way you slid in =
the
> > first message. I went back to find what you posted in november..and =
you have
> > to admit, it was somewhat sneaky. Your recent notice seems fine.
> >=20
> > Next time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a little =
tag in
> > the title such as AD: - New Top then those who wished to read it =
could,
> > those who didn't could easily pass by. Group charter or not, I =
appreciate
> > knowing about new products such as this and to ~never~ let an =
honest,
> > informative post in this group is tight-assed.
> >=20
> > d.l.
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>=20
> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always =
interesting
> to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> unknown unknowns =97 the ones we don't know we don't know."
> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
>=20
> "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man =
and=20
> a woman."
> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
>=20
> __________________________________________________ _________
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>two points here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG><U><FONT size=3D4>1.=20
</FONT></U></STRONG>Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off =
topic. =20
They did not bother me nor apparently quite a few other =
people. They must=20
have found it informative enough to inquire further ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What pissed me off enough to comment, =
were the=20
replies Alan received.  Both of his posts were followed up by =
nothing more=20
than childish, immature, useless sh!t   There was one =
rude=20
comment followed by another. Then, like a bunch of lemmings, the rest of
=

the 7 to 12 who think they are the "brotherhood of RAMJW" no =
more than=20
a social, internet "clique" followed in to bash him.  Is this the =
way you=20
all intend to uphold this so called "charter" ?  by using the =
mamblings of=20
3 year olds ?  This hasn't happened to just Alan's posts.. but
=
every=20
post in here that seems to ruffle the feathers of the Ignorant=20
Dozen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There wasn't one mature reply to =
neither of=20
his posts. If one could have written in a kindly manner, stating this =
group was=20
only for discussion then I might be able to understand.  That
=
fact was=20
stated but so rudely.  Someone could have pointed him to the =
charter,=20
wherever available online, so he could read this crap for =
himself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG><U>2.</U></STRONG> <FONT =
size=3D2>forbidden=20
?  that sounds rather rude!. <EM><FONT=20
face=3D"Franklin Gothic Medium" size=3D3>das =
foridden</FONT></EM> !!  Is=20
this all mighty "charter" THAT TIGHT-ASSED as to not let someone =
post=20
about a new Jeep product ? That is not spamming.  That charter
=
needs=20
to be revised and all that hold it's words so tightly up their asses, =
needs to=20
pull it out and lighten up.  I don't give two rats asses who came =
up with=20
these initial words to get this group carried acrossed the =
net.  Once=20
it is made available to the public it isn't the property of any one =
person=20
anymore but rather the group.  I would bet most anyone would like =
to hear=20
about new products.  That is part of discussion.   if you
=
all=20
simply must follow this charter to the letter, then get ~everyone's~ =
opinion in=20
on revising it.  Limiting China to the western world only retarded
=
its=20
growth for centuries.  </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>Reading the "opinions" and =
"appropriate=20
content" of only the "Ignorant Dozen" limits this group as=20
well.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I'm not saying all this
=
to bash=20
anyone in this group.  Everyone contributes highly and I respect =
the advice=20
given by the senior Jeepers here but jesus, acting the way some of you =
do and=20
showing others the way "Jeepers" act only makes me (and probably) others
=
not=20
want to be associated with that way of thinking. .. and don't worry, I =
am not=20
threatening to go away because I don't like the attitudes of a few
lame=20
asses.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG><EM>Dan</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"twaldron" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>> wrote=20
in message </FONT><A=20
href=3D"news:0ChGb.697$j42.328@newssvr24.news.prod igy.com"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>news:0ChGb.697$j42.328@newssvr24.news.pro digy.com</FONT></A><FON=
T=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> =
Wrong, D.L.=20
Commercial ads are forbidden. You are giving Alan bad advice.<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
D.L. wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > The only thing I would apologize for =
was the=20
sneaky way you slid in the<BR>> > first message. I went back to =
find what=20
you posted in november..and you have<BR>> > to admit, it was =
somewhat=20
sneaky.  Your recent notice seems fine.<BR>> > <BR>> >
=
Next=20
time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a little tag =
in<BR>>=20
> the title such as   AD: - New Top   then those
=
who=20
wished to read it could,<BR>> > those who didn't could easily pass
=

by.   Group charter or not, I appreciate<BR>> > knowing
=
about=20
new products such as this and to ~never~ let an honest,<BR>> > =
informative=20
post in this group is tight-assed.<BR>> > <BR>> > =
d.l.<BR>>=20
<BR>> <BR>> -- <BR>>=20
__________________________________________________ _________<BR>> =
tw<BR>>=20
03 TJ Rubicon<BR>> 01 XJ Sport<BR>> <BR>> "Reports that say =
that=20
something hasn't happened are always interesting<BR>> to me, because
=
as we=20
know, there are known knowns, there are things<BR>> we know we know.
=
We also=20
know there are known unknowns; that is to<BR>> say we know there are
=
some=20
things we do not know. But there are also<BR>> unknown unknowns =97 =
the ones we=20
don't know we don't know."<BR>> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)<BR>> =
<BR>> "I=20
think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and =
<BR>> a=20
woman."<BR>> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)<BR>> <BR>>=20
__________________________________________________ _________<BR>>=20
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They didn't "bother" me either, but I did feel the need to point out that
commerical posts are against our charter. It didn't bother me very much,
which is why I said his post was "very close" to a commercial post instead
of a full blown commercial post that it was.

"D.L." <x1236@charter.netNOSPAM> wrote in message
news:zBjGb.3840335$Id.616033@news.easynews.com...
two points here.

1. Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off topic. They did not
bother me nor apparently quite a few other people. They must have found it
informative enough to inquire further ?

What pissed me off enough to comment, were the replies Alan received. Both
of his posts were followed up by nothing more than childish, immature,
useless sh!t There was one rude comment followed by another. Then, like a
bunch of lemmings, the rest of the 7 to 12 who think they are the
"brotherhood of RAMJW" no more than a social, internet "clique" followed in
to bash him. Is this the way you all intend to uphold this so called
"charter" ? by using the mamblings of 3 year olds ? This hasn't happened
to just Alan's posts.. but every post in here that seems to ruffle the
feathers of the Ignorant Dozen.

There wasn't one mature reply to neither of his posts. If one could have
written in a kindly manner, stating this group was only for discussion then
I might be able to understand. That fact was stated but so rudely. Someone
could have pointed him to the charter, wherever available online, so he
could read this crap for himself.

2. forbidden ? that sounds rather rude!. das foridden !! Is this all
mighty "charter" THAT TIGHT-ASSED as to not let someone post about a new
Jeep product ? That is not spamming. That charter needs to be revised and
all that hold it's words so tightly up their asses, needs to pull it out and
lighten up. I don't give two rats asses who came up with these initial
words to get this group carried acrossed the net. Once it is made available
to the public it isn't the property of any one person anymore but rather the
group. I would bet most anyone would like to hear about new products. That
is part of discussion. if you all simply must follow this charter to the
letter, then get ~everyone's~ opinion in on revising it. Limiting China to
the western world only retarded its growth for centuries.

Reading the "opinions" and "appropriate content" of only the "Ignorant
Dozen" limits this group as well.

I'm not saying all this to bash anyone in this group. Everyone contributes
highly and I respect the advice given by the senior Jeepers here but jesus,
acting the way some of you do and showing others the way "Jeepers" act only
makes me (and probably) others not want to be associated with that way of
thinking. .. and don't worry, I am not threatening to go away because I
don't like the attitudes of a few lame asses.

Dan

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:0ChGb.697$j42.328@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Wrong, D.L. Commercial ads are forbidden. You are giving Alan bad advice.
>
> D.L. wrote:
>
> > The only thing I would apologize for was the sneaky way you slid in the
> > first message. I went back to find what you posted in november..and you
have
> > to admit, it was somewhat sneaky. Your recent notice seems fine.
> >
> > Next time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a little tag
in
> > the title such as AD: - New Top then those who wished to read it
could,
> > those who didn't could easily pass by. Group charter or not, I
appreciate
> > knowing about new products such as this and to ~never~ let an honest,
> > informative post in this group is tight-assed.
> >
> > d.l.
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
> to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
>
> "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
> a woman."
> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
>
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

D.L. must work for Alan.

JimG

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>
> D.L. wrote:
>
> > The only thing I would apologize for was the sneaky way you slid in the
> > first message. I went back to find what you posted in november..and you have
> > to admit, it was somewhat sneaky. Your recent notice seems fine.
> >
> > Next time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a little tag in
> > the title such as AD: - New Top then those who wished to read it could,
> > those who didn't could easily pass by. Group charter or not, I appreciate
> > knowing about new products such as this and to ~never~ let an honest,
> > informative post in this group is tight-assed.
> >
> > d.l.
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
> to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
>
> "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
> a woman."
> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
>
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Well said.

In message <zBjGb.3840335$Id.616033@news.easynews.com>, "D.L." wrote:

>two points here.
>
>1. Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off topic. They did not bother me nor apparently quite a few other people. They must have found it informative enough to inquire further ?
>
>What pissed me off enough to comment, were the replies Alan received. Both of his posts were followed up by nothing more than childish, immature, useless sh!t There was one rude comment followed by another. Then, like a bunch of lemmings, the rest of the 7 to 12 who think they are the "brotherhood of RAMJW" no more than a social, internet "clique" followed in to bash him. Is this the way you all intend to uphold this so called "charter" ? by using the mamblings of 3 year olds ? This hasn't happened to just Alan's posts.. but every post in here that seems to ruffle the feathers of the Ignorant Dozen.
>
>There wasn't one mature reply to neither of his posts. If one could have written in a kindly manner, stating this group was only for discussion then I might be able to understand. That fact was stated but so rudely. Someone could have pointed him to the charter, wherever available online, so he could read this crap for himself.
>
>
>2. forbidden ? that sounds rather rude!. das foridden !! Is this all mighty "charter" THAT TIGHT-ASSED as to not let someone post about a new Jeep product ? That is not spamming. That charter needs to be revised and all that hold it's words so tightly up their asses, needs to pull it out and lighten up. I don't give two rats asses who came up with these initial words to get this group carried acrossed the net. Once it is made available to the public it isn't the property of any one person anymore but rather the group. I would bet most anyone would like to hear about new products. That is part of discussion. if you all simply must follow this charter to the letter, then get ~everyone's~ opinion in on revising it. Limiting China to the western world only retarded its growth for centuries.
>
>Reading the "opinions" and "appropriate content" of only the "Ignorant Dozen" limits this group as well.
>
>I'm not saying all this to bash anyone in this group. Everyone contributes highly and I respect the advice given by the senior Jeepers here but jesus, acting the way some of you do and showing others the way "Jeepers" act only makes me (and probably) others not want to be associated with that way of thinking. .. and don't worry, I am not threatening to go away because I don't like the attitudes of a few lame asses.
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message news:0ChGb.697$j42.328@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> Wrong, D.L. Commercial ads are forbidden. You are giving Alan bad advice.
>>
>> D.L. wrote:
>>
>> > The only thing I would apologize for was the sneaky way you slid in the
>> > first message. I went back to find what you posted in november..and you have
>> > to admit, it was somewhat sneaky. Your recent notice seems fine.
>> >
>> > Next time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a little tag in
>> > the title such as AD: - New Top then those who wished to read it could,
>> > those who didn't could easily pass by. Group charter or not, I appreciate
>> > knowing about new products such as this and to ~never~ let an honest,
>> > informative post in this group is tight-assed.
>> >
>> > d.l.
>>
>>
>> --
>> __________________________________________________ _________
>> tw
>> 03 TJ Rubicon
>> 01 XJ Sport
>>
>> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
>> to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
>> we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
>> say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
>> unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
>> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
>>
>> "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
>> a woman."
>> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
>>
>> __________________________________________________ _________
>>