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>>Fact is, I didn't see or read any "charter" and found this string of
messages by accident months >>ago after goofing around on google

You posted the original message...... it wasn't a respone to any of us
talking about it! You should have just said sorry and gone away. Now
everyone knows you are nothing but a liar. If you had just come on the
newsgroup and asked how to post the information you would have saved
yourself a lot of grief. Most of us ARE interested in new products, but
this newsgroup does have a charter that people expect to be honored.

What you should have said (instead of pretending to be interested in buying
one!):

Subject: New Jeep Top

Hey everyone, I am new to this group and would like to post information
about a new top I have designed for Jeeps. Is this OK and what is the
procedure?

Your name
www.blahblah.com

This probably would have been OK, plus with the address in your signature
people could have taken it upon themselves to check out your site. Some may
have sent you the charter, but you wouldn't have been called out as a liar
and a spammer.

"Alan" <alan@jeeptop.net> wrote in message
news:13c220f6.0312231831.4052d764@posting.google.c om...
> OK, after I have been bombarded with rude e-mails concerning my post,
> I felt the need to respond. Fact is, I didn't see or read any
> "charter" and found this string of messages by accident months ago
> after goofing around on google. I posted a message, than a follow up
> after having some positive feedback. I figured I would let people know
> about our new top again as it is really cool. It is not spam, I am
> not soliciting anything. We don't sell them, that job is up to another
> company. I honestly thought you folks might want to know about it.
> If you have no interest, fine, if you want to want to "blackball" as
> someone put it, our top, fine too. What can I do. I apologize for
> the inconvenience.

I welcome new posters, but you are ignorant of the USENET in general and
you are plain wrong. You are also wrong in suggesting that he continue
to post commercially here after being informed of the charter.

I suggest you and Alan, if you ARE two different people, start your own
NG where you can make up your own charter. You are both welcome to post
non-commercially here, but if it were to continue, someone will forward
it to abuse and possibly have the poster's ISP priviledges revoked.
Nobody wants that, but it's a black and white issue, not a matter of
what your "feelings" are.

Discussions of new products are done everyday here and are more than
welcome. We all love to hear about new products for Jeeps. However,
lightly veiled or blatant commercial postings are not allowed. Deal with
it or move on. I hope you decide to stay.

D.L. wrote:

> two points here.
>
> 1. Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off topic. They did not
> bother me nor apparently quite a few other people. They must have found
> it informative enough to inquire further ?
>
> What pissed me off enough to comment, were the replies Alan received.
> Both of his posts were followed up by nothing more than childish,
> immature, useless sh!t There was one rude comment followed by another.
> Then, like a bunch of lemmings, the rest of the 7 to 12 who think they
> are the "brotherhood of RAMJW" no more than a social, internet "clique"
> followed in to bash him. Is this the way you all intend to uphold this
> so called "charter" ? by using the mamblings of 3 year olds ? This
> hasn't happened to just Alan's posts.. but every post in here that seems
> to ruffle the feathers of the Ignorant Dozen.
>
> There wasn't one mature reply to neither of his posts. If one could have
> written in a kindly manner, stating this group was only for
> discussion then I might be able to understand. That fact was stated but
> so rudely. Someone could have pointed him to the charter, wherever
> available online, so he could read this crap for himself.
>
>
> 2. forbidden ? that sounds rather rude!. das foridden !! Is this all
> mighty "charter" THAT TIGHT-ASSED as to not let someone post about a new
> Jeep product ? That is not spamming. That charter needs to be revised
> and all that hold it's words so tightly up their asses, needs to pull it
> out and lighten up. I don't give two rats asses who came up with these
> initial words to get this group carried acrossed the net. Once it is
> made available to the public it isn't the property of any one person
> anymore but rather the group. I would bet most anyone would like to
> hear about new products. That is part of discussion. if you all
> simply must follow this charter to the letter, then get ~everyone's~
> opinion in on revising it. Limiting China to the western world only
> retarded its growth for centuries.
>
> Reading the "opinions" and "appropriate content" of only the "Ignorant
> Dozen" limits this group as well.
>
> I'm not saying all this to bash anyone in this group. Everyone
> contributes highly and I respect the advice given by the senior Jeepers
> here but jesus, acting the way some of you do and showing others the way
> "Jeepers" act only makes me (and probably) others not want to be
> associated with that way of thinking. .. and don't worry, I am not
> threatening to go away because I don't like the attitudes of a few lame
> asses.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com
> <mailto:thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com>> wrote in message
> news:0ChGb.697$j42.328@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com. ..
> > Wrong, D.L. Commercial ads are forbidden. You are giving Alan bad advice.
> >
> > D.L. wrote:
> >
> > > The only thing I would apologize for was the sneaky way you slid in the
> > > first message. I went back to find what you posted in november..and
> you have
> > > to admit, it was somewhat sneaky. Your recent notice seems fine.
> > >
> > > Next time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a
> little tag in
> > > the title such as AD: - New Top then those who wished to read
> it could,
> > > those who didn't could easily pass by. Group charter or not, I
> appreciate
> > > knowing about new products such as this and to ~never~ let an honest,
> > > informative post in this group is tight-assed.
> > >
> > > d.l.
> >
> >
> > --
> > __________________________________________________ _________
> > tw
> > 03 TJ Rubicon
> > 01 XJ Sport
> >
> > "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
> > to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> > we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> > say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> > unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> > -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
> >
> > "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
> > a woman."
> > -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
> >
> > __________________________________________________ _________
> >

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)

"I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
a woman."
-- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)

__________________________________________________ _________

If there was a discussion going on where somebody was asking about where to
get a new top, and you chimed in with, "I make a really cool top. Go to
www.reallycooltops.com and check them out." That would have been fine. It
looked like you were soliciting sales by your original post.

Thanks for your understanding. I happen to think you might have a huge
market here for your product, all you need to do is take part in the
discussions about tops. We do have a charter that prohibits commercial
posts, those are posts that blatantly attempt to sell stuff.

By way of example, many of us talk about a guy that makes onboard air
compressor systems. The maker actually comes around here on occasion and
talks about his stuff, but only in the context of answering questions about
what it does.

For my contribution, I think that you should not have been bombarded with
emails. It is sufficient to simply post that commercials are not allowed
here.

Good luck with your new top ...

"Alan" <alan@jeeptop.net> wrote in message
news:13c220f6.0312231831.4052d764@posting.google.c om...
> OK, after I have been bombarded with rude e-mails concerning my post,
> I felt the need to respond. Fact is, I didn't see or read any
> "charter" and found this string of messages by accident months ago
> after goofing around on google. I posted a message, than a follow up
> after having some positive feedback. I figured I would let people know
> about our new top again as it is really cool. It is not spam, I am
> not soliciting anything. We don't sell them, that job is up to another
> company. I honestly thought you folks might want to know about it.
> If you have no interest, fine, if you want to want to "blackball" as
> someone put it, our top, fine too. What can I do. I apologize for
> the inconvenience.

I find you more offensive, posting in Hyper Text Markup Language.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

> "D.L." wrote:
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two points here.

1. Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off topic. They did not
=
bother me nor apparently quite a few other people. They must have found
=
it informative enough to inquire further ?

What pissed me off enough to comment, were the replies Alan received. =
Both of his posts were followed up by nothing more than childish, =
immature, useless sh!t There was one rude comment followed by another.
=
Then, like a bunch of lemmings, the rest of the 7 to 12 who think they =
are the "brotherhood of RAMJW" no more than a social, internet "clique"
=
followed in to bash him. Is this the way you all intend to uphold this
=
so called "charter" ? by using the mamblings of 3 year olds ? This =
hasn't happened to just Alan's posts.. but every post in here that seems
=
to ruffle the feathers of the Ignorant Dozen.

There wasn't one mature reply to neither of his posts. If one could have
=
written in a kindly manner, stating this group was only for discussion =
then I might be able to understand. That fact was stated but so rudely.
=
Someone could have pointed him to the charter, wherever available =
online, so he could read this crap for himself.

2. forbidden ? that sounds rather rude!. das foridden !! Is this all =
mighty "charter" THAT TIGHT-ASSED as to not let someone post about a new
=
Jeep product ? That is not spamming. That charter needs to be revised =
and all that hold it's words so tightly up their asses, needs to pull it
=
out and lighten up. I don't give two rats asses who came up with these
=
initial words to get this group carried acrossed the net. Once it is =
made available to the public it isn't the property of any one person =
anymore but rather the group. I would bet most anyone would like to =
hear about new products. That is part of discussion. if you all =
simply must follow this charter to the letter, then get ~everyone's~ =
opinion in on revising it. Limiting China to the western world only =
retarded its growth for centuries. =20

Reading the "opinions" and "appropriate content" of only the "Ignorant =
Dozen" limits this group as well.

I'm not saying all this to bash anyone in this group. Everyone =
contributes highly and I respect the advice given by the senior Jeepers
=
here but jesus, acting the way some of you do and showing others the way
=
"Jeepers" act only makes me (and probably) others not want to be =
associated with that way of thinking. .. and don't worry, I am not =
threatening to go away because I don't like the attitudes of a few lame
=
asses.

Dan

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message =
news:0ChGb.697$j42.328@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Wrong, D.L. Commercial ads are forbidden. You are giving Alan bad =
advice.
>=20
> D.L. wrote:
>=20
> > The only thing I would apologize for was the sneaky way you slid in =
the
> > first message. I went back to find what you posted in november..and =
you have
> > to admit, it was somewhat sneaky. Your recent notice seems fine.
> >=20
> > Next time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a little =
tag in
> > the title such as AD: - New Top then those who wished to read it =
could,
> > those who didn't could easily pass by. Group charter or not, I =
appreciate
> > knowing about new products such as this and to ~never~ let an =
honest,
> > informative post in this group is tight-assed.
> >=20
> > d.l.
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>=20
> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always =
interesting
> to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> unknown unknowns =97 the ones we don't know we don't know."
> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
>=20
> "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man =
and=20
> a woman."
> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
>=20
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>two points here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG><U><FONT size=3D4>1.=20
</FONT></U></STRONG>Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off =
topic. =20
They did not bother me nor apparently quite a few other =
people. They must=20
have found it informative enough to inquire further ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What pissed me off enough to comment, =
were the=20
replies Alan received.  Both of his posts were followed up by =
nothing more=20
than childish, immature, useless sh!t   There was one =
rude=20
comment followed by another. Then, like a bunch of lemmings, the rest of
=

the 7 to 12 who think they are the "brotherhood of RAMJW" no =
more than=20
a social, internet "clique" followed in to bash him.  Is this the =
way you=20
all intend to uphold this so called "charter" ?  by using the =
mamblings of=20
3 year olds ?  This hasn't happened to just Alan's posts.. but
=
every=20
post in here that seems to ruffle the feathers of the Ignorant=20
Dozen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There wasn't one mature reply to =
neither of=20
his posts. If one could have written in a kindly manner, stating this =
group was=20
only for discussion then I might be able to understand.  That
=
fact was=20
stated but so rudely.  Someone could have pointed him to the =
charter,=20
wherever available online, so he could read this crap for =
himself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG><U>2.</U></STRONG> <FONT =
size=3D2>forbidden=20
?  that sounds rather rude!. <EM><FONT=20
face=3D"Franklin Gothic Medium" size=3D3>das =
foridden</FONT></EM> !!  Is=20
this all mighty "charter" THAT TIGHT-ASSED as to not let someone =
post=20
about a new Jeep product ? That is not spamming.  That charter
=
needs=20
to be revised and all that hold it's words so tightly up their asses, =
needs to=20
pull it out and lighten up.  I don't give two rats asses who came =
up with=20
these initial words to get this group carried acrossed the =
net.  Once=20
it is made available to the public it isn't the property of any one =
person=20
anymore but rather the group.  I would bet most anyone would like =
to hear=20
about new products.  That is part of discussion.   if you
=
all=20
simply must follow this charter to the letter, then get ~everyone's~ =
opinion in=20
on revising it.  Limiting China to the western world only retarded
=
its=20
growth for centuries.  </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>Reading the "opinions" and =
"appropriate=20
content" of only the "Ignorant Dozen" limits this group as=20
well.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I'm not saying all this
=
to bash=20
anyone in this group.  Everyone contributes highly and I respect =
the advice=20
given by the senior Jeepers here but jesus, acting the way some of you =
do and=20
showing others the way "Jeepers" act only makes me (and probably) others
=
not=20
want to be associated with that way of thinking. .. and don't worry, I =
am not=20
threatening to go away because I don't like the attitudes of a few
lame=20
asses.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG><EM>Dan</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"twaldron" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>> wrote=20
in message </FONT><A=20
href=3D"news:0ChGb.697$j42.328@newssvr24.news.prod igy.com"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>news:0ChGb.697$j42.328@newssvr24.news.pro digy.com</FONT></A><FON=
T=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> =
Wrong, D.L.=20
Commercial ads are forbidden. You are giving Alan bad advice.<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
D.L. wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > The only thing I would apologize for =
was the=20
sneaky way you slid in the<BR>> > first message. I went back to =
find what=20
you posted in november..and you have<BR>> > to admit, it was =
somewhat=20
sneaky.  Your recent notice seems fine.<BR>> > <BR>> >
=
Next=20
time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a little tag =
in<BR>>=20
> the title such as   AD: - New Top   then those
=
who=20
wished to read it could,<BR>> > those who didn't could easily pass
=

by.   Group charter or not, I appreciate<BR>> > knowing
=
about=20
new products such as this and to ~never~ let an honest,<BR>> > =
informative=20
post in this group is tight-assed.<BR>> > <BR>> > =
d.l.<BR>>=20
<BR>> <BR>> -- <BR>>=20
__________________________________________________ _________<BR>> =
tw<BR>>=20
03 TJ Rubicon<BR>> 01 XJ Sport<BR>> <BR>> "Reports that say =
that=20
something hasn't happened are always interesting<BR>> to me, because
=
as we=20
know, there are known knowns, there are things<BR>> we know we know.
=
We also=20
know there are known unknowns; that is to<BR>> say we know there are
=
some=20
things we do not know. But there are also<BR>> unknown unknowns =97 =
the ones we=20
don't know we don't know."<BR>> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)<BR>> =
<BR>> "I=20
think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and =
<BR>> a=20
woman."<BR>> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)<BR>> <BR>>=20
__________________________________________________ _________<BR>>=20
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