D.L.

two points here.

1. Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off topic. They did not bother me nor apparently quite a few other people. They must have found it informative enough to inquire further ?

What pissed me off enough to comment, were the replies Alan received. Both of his posts were followed up by nothing more than childish, immature, useless **** There was one rude comment followed by another. Then, like a bunch of lemmings, the rest of the 7 to 12 who think they are the "brotherhood of RAMJW" no more than a social, internet "clique" followed in to bash him. Is this the way you all intend to uphold this so called "charter" ? by using the mamblings of 3 year olds ? This hasn't happened to just Alan's posts.. but every post in here that seems to ruffle the feathers of the Ignorant Dozen.

There wasn't one mature reply to neither of his posts. If one could have written in a kindly manner, stating this group was only for discussion then I might be able to understand. That fact was stated but so rudely. Someone could have pointed him to the charter, wherever available online, so he could read this crap for himself.


2. forbidden ? that sounds rather rude!. das foridden !! Is this all mighty "charter" THAT TIGHT-ASSED as to not let someone post about a new Jeep product ? That is not spamming. That charter needs to be revised and all that hold it's words so tightly up their asses, needs to pull it out and lighten up. I don't give two rats asses who came up with these initial words to get this group carried acrossed the net. Once it is made available to the public it isn't the property of any one person anymore but rather the group. I would bet most anyone would like to hear about new products. That is part of discussion. if you all simply must follow this charter to the letter, then get ~everyone's~ opinion in on revising it. Limiting China to the western world only retarded its growth for centuries.

Reading the "opinions" and "appropriate content" of only the "Ignorant Dozen" limits this group as well.

I'm not saying all this to bash anyone in this group. Everyone contributes highly and I respect the advice given by the senior Jeepers here but jesus, acting the way some of you do and showing others the way "Jeepers" act only makes me (and probably) others not want to be associated with that way of thinking. .. and don't worry, I am not threatening to go away because I don't like the attitudes of a few lame asses.

Dan



"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message news:0ChGb.697$j42.328@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Wrong, D.L. Commercial ads are forbidden. You are giving Alan bad advice.
>
> D.L. wrote:
>
> > The only thing I would apologize for was the sneaky way you slid in the
> > first message. I went back to find what you posted in november..and you have
> > to admit, it was somewhat sneaky. Your recent notice seems fine.
> >
> > Next time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a little tag in
> > the title such as AD: - New Top then those who wished to read it could,
> > those who didn't could easily pass by. Group charter or not, I appreciate
> > knowing about new products such as this and to ~never~ let an honest,
> > informative post in this group is tight-assed.
> >
> > d.l.
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
> to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
>
> "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
> a woman."
> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
>
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Jeepers

In article <zBjGb.3840335$Id.616033@news.easynews.com>,
"D.L." <x1236@charter.netNOSPAM> wrote:

> two points here.
>
> 1. Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off topic.

1. They were misleading and therefore dishonest and disrespectful.


> 2. forbidden ?

2. Rules are rules. He broke the rules.
>
> Dan
>


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Jeepers

In article <zBjGb.3840335$Id.616033@news.easynews.com>,
"D.L." <x1236@charter.netNOSPAM> wrote:

> two points here.
>
> 1. Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off topic.

1. They were misleading and therefore dishonest and disrespectful.


> 2. forbidden ?

2. Rules are rules. He broke the rules.
>
> Dan
>


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Jeepers

In article <zBjGb.3840335$Id.616033@news.easynews.com>,
"D.L." <x1236@charter.netNOSPAM> wrote:

> two points here.
>
> 1. Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off topic.

1. They were misleading and therefore dishonest and disrespectful.


> 2. forbidden ?

2. Rules are rules. He broke the rules.
>
> Dan
>


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Mike Romain

What you don't see Dan is the private emails sent to him explaining the
Charter with a link to it that were very polite that he chose to ignore.

He is a sleazy skumbag who does not respect the Jeeping community here.

If he has that attitude, would you trust your money to him or figure his
product was likely as sleazy as he is?

I sure as hell wouldn't buy anything from him.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


> "D.L." wrote:
>
> two points here.
>
> 1. Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off topic. They did
> not bother me nor apparently quite a few other people. They must have
> found it informative enough to inquire further ?
>
> What pissed me off enough to comment, were the replies Alan received.
> Both of his posts were followed up by nothing more than childish,
> immature, useless **** There was one rude comment followed by
> another. Then, like a bunch of lemmings, the rest of the 7 to 12 who
> think they are the "brotherhood of RAMJW" no more than a social,
> internet "clique" followed in to bash him. Is this the way you all
> intend to uphold this so called "charter" ? by using the mamblings of
> 3 year olds ? This hasn't happened to just Alan's posts.. but every
> post in here that seems to ruffle the feathers of the Ignorant Dozen.
>
> There wasn't one mature reply to neither of his posts. If one could
> have written in a kindly manner, stating this group was only for
> discussion then I might be able to understand. That fact was stated
> but so rudely. Someone could have pointed him to the charter,
> wherever available online, so he could read this crap for himself.
>
>
> 2. forbidden ? that sounds rather rude!. das foridden !! Is this all
> mighty "charter" THAT TIGHT-ASSED as to not let someone post about a
> new Jeep product ? That is not spamming. That charter needs to be
> revised and all that hold it's words so tightly up their asses, needs
> to pull it out and lighten up. I don't give two rats asses who came
> up with these initial words to get this group carried acrossed the
> net. Once it is made available to the public it isn't the property of
> any one person anymore but rather the group. I would bet most anyone
> would like to hear about new products. That is part of discussion.
> if you all simply must follow this charter to the letter, then get
> ~everyone's~ opinion in on revising it. Limiting China to the western
> world only retarded its growth for centuries.
>
> Reading the "opinions" and "appropriate content" of only the "Ignorant
> Dozen" limits this group as well.
>
> I'm not saying all this to bash anyone in this group. Everyone
> contributes highly and I respect the advice given by the senior
> Jeepers here but jesus, acting the way some of you do and showing
> others the way "Jeepers" act only makes me (and probably) others not
> want to be associated with that way of thinking. .. and don't worry, I
> am not threatening to go away because I don't like the attitudes of a
> few lame asses.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:0ChGb.697$j42.328@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com. ..
> > Wrong, D.L. Commercial ads are forbidden. You are giving Alan bad
> advice.
> >
> > D.L. wrote:
> >
> > > The only thing I would apologize for was the sneaky way you slid
> in the
> > > first message. I went back to find what you posted in
> november..and you have
> > > to admit, it was somewhat sneaky. Your recent notice seems fine.
> > >
> > > Next time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a
> little tag in
> > > the title such as AD: - New Top then those who wished to read
> it could,
> > > those who didn't could easily pass by. Group charter or not, I
> appreciate
> > > knowing about new products such as this and to ~never~ let an
> honest,
> > > informative post in this group is tight-assed.
> > >
> > > d.l.
> >
> >
> > --
> > __________________________________________________ _________
> > tw
> > 03 TJ Rubicon
> > 01 XJ Sport
> >
> > "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always
> interesting
> > to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> > we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> > say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> > unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> > -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
> >
> > "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man
> and
> > a woman."
> > -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
> >
> > __________________________________________________ _________
> >

Mike Romain

What you don't see Dan is the private emails sent to him explaining the
Charter with a link to it that were very polite that he chose to ignore.

He is a sleazy skumbag who does not respect the Jeeping community here.

If he has that attitude, would you trust your money to him or figure his
product was likely as sleazy as he is?

I sure as hell wouldn't buy anything from him.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


> "D.L." wrote:
>
> two points here.
>
> 1. Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off topic. They did
> not bother me nor apparently quite a few other people. They must have
> found it informative enough to inquire further ?
>
> What pissed me off enough to comment, were the replies Alan received.
> Both of his posts were followed up by nothing more than childish,
> immature, useless **** There was one rude comment followed by
> another. Then, like a bunch of lemmings, the rest of the 7 to 12 who
> think they are the "brotherhood of RAMJW" no more than a social,
> internet "clique" followed in to bash him. Is this the way you all
> intend to uphold this so called "charter" ? by using the mamblings of
> 3 year olds ? This hasn't happened to just Alan's posts.. but every
> post in here that seems to ruffle the feathers of the Ignorant Dozen.
>
> There wasn't one mature reply to neither of his posts. If one could
> have written in a kindly manner, stating this group was only for
> discussion then I might be able to understand. That fact was stated
> but so rudely. Someone could have pointed him to the charter,
> wherever available online, so he could read this crap for himself.
>
>
> 2. forbidden ? that sounds rather rude!. das foridden !! Is this all
> mighty "charter" THAT TIGHT-ASSED as to not let someone post about a
> new Jeep product ? That is not spamming. That charter needs to be
> revised and all that hold it's words so tightly up their asses, needs
> to pull it out and lighten up. I don't give two rats asses who came
> up with these initial words to get this group carried acrossed the
> net. Once it is made available to the public it isn't the property of
> any one person anymore but rather the group. I would bet most anyone
> would like to hear about new products. That is part of discussion.
> if you all simply must follow this charter to the letter, then get
> ~everyone's~ opinion in on revising it. Limiting China to the western
> world only retarded its growth for centuries.
>
> Reading the "opinions" and "appropriate content" of only the "Ignorant
> Dozen" limits this group as well.
>
> I'm not saying all this to bash anyone in this group. Everyone
> contributes highly and I respect the advice given by the senior
> Jeepers here but jesus, acting the way some of you do and showing
> others the way "Jeepers" act only makes me (and probably) others not
> want to be associated with that way of thinking. .. and don't worry, I
> am not threatening to go away because I don't like the attitudes of a
> few lame asses.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:0ChGb.697$j42.328@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com. ..
> > Wrong, D.L. Commercial ads are forbidden. You are giving Alan bad
> advice.
> >
> > D.L. wrote:
> >
> > > The only thing I would apologize for was the sneaky way you slid
> in the
> > > first message. I went back to find what you posted in
> november..and you have
> > > to admit, it was somewhat sneaky. Your recent notice seems fine.
> > >
> > > Next time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a
> little tag in
> > > the title such as AD: - New Top then those who wished to read
> it could,
> > > those who didn't could easily pass by. Group charter or not, I
> appreciate
> > > knowing about new products such as this and to ~never~ let an
> honest,
> > > informative post in this group is tight-assed.
> > >
> > > d.l.
> >
> >
> > --
> > __________________________________________________ _________
> > tw
> > 03 TJ Rubicon
> > 01 XJ Sport
> >
> > "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always
> interesting
> > to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> > we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> > say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> > unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> > -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
> >
> > "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man
> and
> > a woman."
> > -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
> >
> > __________________________________________________ _________
> >

Mike Romain

What you don't see Dan is the private emails sent to him explaining the
Charter with a link to it that were very polite that he chose to ignore.

He is a sleazy skumbag who does not respect the Jeeping community here.

If he has that attitude, would you trust your money to him or figure his
product was likely as sleazy as he is?

I sure as hell wouldn't buy anything from him.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


> "D.L." wrote:
>
> two points here.
>
> 1. Alan's posts were not offensive, chronic or off topic. They did
> not bother me nor apparently quite a few other people. They must have
> found it informative enough to inquire further ?
>
> What pissed me off enough to comment, were the replies Alan received.
> Both of his posts were followed up by nothing more than childish,
> immature, useless **** There was one rude comment followed by
> another. Then, like a bunch of lemmings, the rest of the 7 to 12 who
> think they are the "brotherhood of RAMJW" no more than a social,
> internet "clique" followed in to bash him. Is this the way you all
> intend to uphold this so called "charter" ? by using the mamblings of
> 3 year olds ? This hasn't happened to just Alan's posts.. but every
> post in here that seems to ruffle the feathers of the Ignorant Dozen.
>
> There wasn't one mature reply to neither of his posts. If one could
> have written in a kindly manner, stating this group was only for
> discussion then I might be able to understand. That fact was stated
> but so rudely. Someone could have pointed him to the charter,
> wherever available online, so he could read this crap for himself.
>
>
> 2. forbidden ? that sounds rather rude!. das foridden !! Is this all
> mighty "charter" THAT TIGHT-ASSED as to not let someone post about a
> new Jeep product ? That is not spamming. That charter needs to be
> revised and all that hold it's words so tightly up their asses, needs
> to pull it out and lighten up. I don't give two rats asses who came
> up with these initial words to get this group carried acrossed the
> net. Once it is made available to the public it isn't the property of
> any one person anymore but rather the group. I would bet most anyone
> would like to hear about new products. That is part of discussion.
> if you all simply must follow this charter to the letter, then get
> ~everyone's~ opinion in on revising it. Limiting China to the western
> world only retarded its growth for centuries.
>
> Reading the "opinions" and "appropriate content" of only the "Ignorant
> Dozen" limits this group as well.
>
> I'm not saying all this to bash anyone in this group. Everyone
> contributes highly and I respect the advice given by the senior
> Jeepers here but jesus, acting the way some of you do and showing
> others the way "Jeepers" act only makes me (and probably) others not
> want to be associated with that way of thinking. .. and don't worry, I
> am not threatening to go away because I don't like the attitudes of a
> few lame asses.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:0ChGb.697$j42.328@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com. ..
> > Wrong, D.L. Commercial ads are forbidden. You are giving Alan bad
> advice.
> >
> > D.L. wrote:
> >
> > > The only thing I would apologize for was the sneaky way you slid
> in the
> > > first message. I went back to find what you posted in
> november..and you have
> > > to admit, it was somewhat sneaky. Your recent notice seems fine.
> > >
> > > Next time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a
> little tag in
> > > the title such as AD: - New Top then those who wished to read
> it could,
> > > those who didn't could easily pass by. Group charter or not, I
> appreciate
> > > knowing about new products such as this and to ~never~ let an
> honest,
> > > informative post in this group is tight-assed.
> > >
> > > d.l.
> >
> >
> > --
> > __________________________________________________ _________
> > tw
> > 03 TJ Rubicon
> > 01 XJ Sport
> >
> > "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always
> interesting
> > to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> > we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> > say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> > unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> > -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
> >
> > "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man
> and
> > a woman."
> > -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
> >
> > __________________________________________________ _________
> >

Jerry Newton

Hey, D.L., I am with ya buddy. Thanks for eloquently stating the thoughts
of the rational contributors.

Jerry


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FE9BFE1.9F0B2CA1@sympatico.ca...
> Wrong answer DL.
>
> This newsgroup does have a charter which is located here:
>
>
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...makers.jeep+wi
llys
>
> No commercial posts are acceptable.
>
> If we start allowing them, this place would turn into spam central.
>
> People in the past who called bull ---- on the charter and spammed
> anyway have had their internet accounts yanked. ISP's do take newsgroup
> charters seriously these days.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "D.L." wrote:
> >
> > The only thing I would apologize for was the sneaky way you slid in the
> > first message. I went back to find what you posted in november..and you
have
> > to admit, it was somewhat sneaky. Your recent notice seems fine.
> >
> > Next time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a little tag
in
> > the title such as AD: - New Top then those who wished to read it
could,
> > those who didn't could easily pass by. Group charter or not, I
appreciate
> > knowing about new products such as this and to ~never~ let an honest,
> > informative post in this group is tight-assed.
> >
> > d.l.
> >
> > >Alan" <alan@jeeptop.net> wrote in message
> > news:13c220f6.0312231831.4052d764@posting.google.c om...
> > > OK, after I have been bombarded with rude e-mails concerning my post,
> > > I felt the need to respond. Fact is, I didn't see or read any
> > > "charter" and found this string of messages by accident months ago
> > > after goofing around on google. I posted a message, than a follow up
> > > after having some positive feedback. I figured I would let people know
> > > about our new top again as it is really cool. It is not spam, I am
> > > not soliciting anything. We don't sell them, that job is up to another
> > > company. I honestly thought you folks might want to know about it.
> > > If you have no interest, fine, if you want to want to "blackball" as
> > > someone put it, our top, fine too. What can I do. I apologize for
> > > the inconvenience.

Jerry Newton

Hey, D.L., I am with ya buddy. Thanks for eloquently stating the thoughts
of the rational contributors.

Jerry


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FE9BFE1.9F0B2CA1@sympatico.ca...
> Wrong answer DL.
>
> This newsgroup does have a charter which is located here:
>
>
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...makers.jeep+wi
llys
>
> No commercial posts are acceptable.
>
> If we start allowing them, this place would turn into spam central.
>
> People in the past who called bull ---- on the charter and spammed
> anyway have had their internet accounts yanked. ISP's do take newsgroup
> charters seriously these days.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "D.L." wrote:
> >
> > The only thing I would apologize for was the sneaky way you slid in the
> > first message. I went back to find what you posted in november..and you
have
> > to admit, it was somewhat sneaky. Your recent notice seems fine.
> >
> > Next time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a little tag
in
> > the title such as AD: - New Top then those who wished to read it
could,
> > those who didn't could easily pass by. Group charter or not, I
appreciate
> > knowing about new products such as this and to ~never~ let an honest,
> > informative post in this group is tight-assed.
> >
> > d.l.
> >
> > >Alan" <alan@jeeptop.net> wrote in message
> > news:13c220f6.0312231831.4052d764@posting.google.c om...
> > > OK, after I have been bombarded with rude e-mails concerning my post,
> > > I felt the need to respond. Fact is, I didn't see or read any
> > > "charter" and found this string of messages by accident months ago
> > > after goofing around on google. I posted a message, than a follow up
> > > after having some positive feedback. I figured I would let people know
> > > about our new top again as it is really cool. It is not spam, I am
> > > not soliciting anything. We don't sell them, that job is up to another
> > > company. I honestly thought you folks might want to know about it.
> > > If you have no interest, fine, if you want to want to "blackball" as
> > > someone put it, our top, fine too. What can I do. I apologize for
> > > the inconvenience.

Jerry Newton

Hey, D.L., I am with ya buddy. Thanks for eloquently stating the thoughts
of the rational contributors.

Jerry


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FE9BFE1.9F0B2CA1@sympatico.ca...
> Wrong answer DL.
>
> This newsgroup does have a charter which is located here:
>
>
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...makers.jeep+wi
llys
>
> No commercial posts are acceptable.
>
> If we start allowing them, this place would turn into spam central.
>
> People in the past who called bull ---- on the charter and spammed
> anyway have had their internet accounts yanked. ISP's do take newsgroup
> charters seriously these days.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "D.L." wrote:
> >
> > The only thing I would apologize for was the sneaky way you slid in the
> > first message. I went back to find what you posted in november..and you
have
> > to admit, it was somewhat sneaky. Your recent notice seems fine.
> >
> > Next time you want to post about it, be up front, maybe put a little tag
in
> > the title such as AD: - New Top then those who wished to read it
could,
> > those who didn't could easily pass by. Group charter or not, I
appreciate
> > knowing about new products such as this and to ~never~ let an honest,
> > informative post in this group is tight-assed.
> >
> > d.l.
> >
> > >Alan" <alan@jeeptop.net> wrote in message
> > news:13c220f6.0312231831.4052d764@posting.google.c om...
> > > OK, after I have been bombarded with rude e-mails concerning my post,
> > > I felt the need to respond. Fact is, I didn't see or read any
> > > "charter" and found this string of messages by accident months ago
> > > after goofing around on google. I posted a message, than a follow up
> > > after having some positive feedback. I figured I would let people know
> > > about our new top again as it is really cool. It is not spam, I am
> > > not soliciting anything. We don't sell them, that job is up to another
> > > company. I honestly thought you folks might want to know about it.
> > > If you have no interest, fine, if you want to want to "blackball" as
> > > someone put it, our top, fine too. What can I do. I apologize for
> > > the inconvenience.