Mike Romain

I run with just the Bikini top on and doors and notice fumes if the wind
is wrong and the windows up 'usually' only when going slow, but neither
my hard or soft doors seal to the top so I can usually run with the
windows up and fan on.

At least I know the symptoms of CO poisoning from driving too many rusty
old beaters over the years. When my eyelids get abnormally heavy with a
heavy forehead, it is time for air Fast!

Mike

jbjeep wrote:
>
> Wow. Scary Mike!
> Never thought about it like that since I dont usually run that door/top combo.
> Thanks.
>
> On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:02:30 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>It is sneaky and deadly!
> >>
> >>I have experience in a TJ getting gassed out to the point of passing
> >>out!
> >>
> >>A friend has a TJ and we went camping with me riding shotgun. He likes
> >>to drive with just the top on and all the 3 back windows out with hard
> >>doors.
> >>
> >>His GF and he both warned me he is a terrible highway driver because he
> >>always falls asleep in the Jeep and he was complaining he couldn't
> >>control it. He is also fairly young and inexperienced, so I chalk it up
> >>to that.
> >>
> >>So we are about a half hour out on the highway and sure enough he is
> >>nodding off. We pull over and I take over. He is asleep within minutes
> >>and I start to feel bad. Pressure in my forehead and my eyes start
> >>closing 'bad' so I open the window and crank up the heater blower and
> >>viola come 'instantly' back awake and figure out what is up.
> >>
> >>So I try to wake him to get him to roll down his window too. I can't!
> >>I have to pull over and physically open the door to get him air!
> >>
> >>The rest of the trip was done with all the windows down! We tried it
> >>with just the heater on full blast with the front windows rolled up and
> >>that did 'not' work. The forehead pressure came back for me pretty fast
> >>and he was nodding out again fast.
> >>
> >>So basically if you have any of the back windows open or even all 3 out
> >>like we did, the front windows must be open too.
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >>Joe Carroll wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just got a soft top for the 2k-tj, inherited from my son. Finally
> >>> figured where everything goes and in what order, I think. I seem to
> >>> remember a post about driving with windows out and carbon monoxide
> >>> build up. Could someone give me some pointers on the do's and don't
> >>> with soft tops so I don't wind up upside down in ditch, I'm getting to
> >>> old for that stuff... :-)
> >>> Joe Carroll
> >>> 2K-TJ
> >>>
> >>> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> >>> Joseph Duemer

Mike Romain

I run with just the Bikini top on and doors and notice fumes if the wind
is wrong and the windows up 'usually' only when going slow, but neither
my hard or soft doors seal to the top so I can usually run with the
windows up and fan on.

At least I know the symptoms of CO poisoning from driving too many rusty
old beaters over the years. When my eyelids get abnormally heavy with a
heavy forehead, it is time for air Fast!

Mike

jbjeep wrote:
>
> Wow. Scary Mike!
> Never thought about it like that since I dont usually run that door/top combo.
> Thanks.
>
> On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:02:30 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>It is sneaky and deadly!
> >>
> >>I have experience in a TJ getting gassed out to the point of passing
> >>out!
> >>
> >>A friend has a TJ and we went camping with me riding shotgun. He likes
> >>to drive with just the top on and all the 3 back windows out with hard
> >>doors.
> >>
> >>His GF and he both warned me he is a terrible highway driver because he
> >>always falls asleep in the Jeep and he was complaining he couldn't
> >>control it. He is also fairly young and inexperienced, so I chalk it up
> >>to that.
> >>
> >>So we are about a half hour out on the highway and sure enough he is
> >>nodding off. We pull over and I take over. He is asleep within minutes
> >>and I start to feel bad. Pressure in my forehead and my eyes start
> >>closing 'bad' so I open the window and crank up the heater blower and
> >>viola come 'instantly' back awake and figure out what is up.
> >>
> >>So I try to wake him to get him to roll down his window too. I can't!
> >>I have to pull over and physically open the door to get him air!
> >>
> >>The rest of the trip was done with all the windows down! We tried it
> >>with just the heater on full blast with the front windows rolled up and
> >>that did 'not' work. The forehead pressure came back for me pretty fast
> >>and he was nodding out again fast.
> >>
> >>So basically if you have any of the back windows open or even all 3 out
> >>like we did, the front windows must be open too.
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >>Joe Carroll wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just got a soft top for the 2k-tj, inherited from my son. Finally
> >>> figured where everything goes and in what order, I think. I seem to
> >>> remember a post about driving with windows out and carbon monoxide
> >>> build up. Could someone give me some pointers on the do's and don't
> >>> with soft tops so I don't wind up upside down in ditch, I'm getting to
> >>> old for that stuff... :-)
> >>> Joe Carroll
> >>> 2K-TJ
> >>>
> >>> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> >>> Joseph Duemer

Mike Romain

I run with just the Bikini top on and doors and notice fumes if the wind
is wrong and the windows up 'usually' only when going slow, but neither
my hard or soft doors seal to the top so I can usually run with the
windows up and fan on.

At least I know the symptoms of CO poisoning from driving too many rusty
old beaters over the years. When my eyelids get abnormally heavy with a
heavy forehead, it is time for air Fast!

Mike

jbjeep wrote:
>
> Wow. Scary Mike!
> Never thought about it like that since I dont usually run that door/top combo.
> Thanks.
>
> On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:02:30 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>It is sneaky and deadly!
> >>
> >>I have experience in a TJ getting gassed out to the point of passing
> >>out!
> >>
> >>A friend has a TJ and we went camping with me riding shotgun. He likes
> >>to drive with just the top on and all the 3 back windows out with hard
> >>doors.
> >>
> >>His GF and he both warned me he is a terrible highway driver because he
> >>always falls asleep in the Jeep and he was complaining he couldn't
> >>control it. He is also fairly young and inexperienced, so I chalk it up
> >>to that.
> >>
> >>So we are about a half hour out on the highway and sure enough he is
> >>nodding off. We pull over and I take over. He is asleep within minutes
> >>and I start to feel bad. Pressure in my forehead and my eyes start
> >>closing 'bad' so I open the window and crank up the heater blower and
> >>viola come 'instantly' back awake and figure out what is up.
> >>
> >>So I try to wake him to get him to roll down his window too. I can't!
> >>I have to pull over and physically open the door to get him air!
> >>
> >>The rest of the trip was done with all the windows down! We tried it
> >>with just the heater on full blast with the front windows rolled up and
> >>that did 'not' work. The forehead pressure came back for me pretty fast
> >>and he was nodding out again fast.
> >>
> >>So basically if you have any of the back windows open or even all 3 out
> >>like we did, the front windows must be open too.
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >>Joe Carroll wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just got a soft top for the 2k-tj, inherited from my son. Finally
> >>> figured where everything goes and in what order, I think. I seem to
> >>> remember a post about driving with windows out and carbon monoxide
> >>> build up. Could someone give me some pointers on the do's and don't
> >>> with soft tops so I don't wind up upside down in ditch, I'm getting to
> >>> old for that stuff... :-)
> >>> Joe Carroll
> >>> 2K-TJ
> >>>
> >>> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> >>> Joseph Duemer

jbjeep

I'm gonna have to think about that for a bit. Although if that was part of the issue
with my rig, it ought to be fixed now - I just had a new exhaust put on, the other
was leaking...



On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:13:10 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>I run with just the Bikini top on and doors and notice fumes if the wind
>>is wrong and the windows up 'usually' only when going slow, but neither
>>my hard or soft doors seal to the top so I can usually run with the
>>windows up and fan on.
>>
>>At least I know the symptoms of CO poisoning from driving too many rusty
>>old beaters over the years. When my eyelids get abnormally heavy with a
>>heavy forehead, it is time for air Fast!
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow. Scary Mike!
>>> Never thought about it like that since I dont usually run that door/top combo.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:02:30 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>It is sneaky and deadly!
>>> >>
>>> >>I have experience in a TJ getting gassed out to the point of passing
>>> >>out!
>>> >>
>>> >>A friend has a TJ and we went camping with me riding shotgun. He likes
>>> >>to drive with just the top on and all the 3 back windows out with hard
>>> >>doors.
>>> >>
>>> >>His GF and he both warned me he is a terrible highway driver because he
>>> >>always falls asleep in the Jeep and he was complaining he couldn't
>>> >>control it. He is also fairly young and inexperienced, so I chalk it up
>>> >>to that.
>>> >>
>>> >>So we are about a half hour out on the highway and sure enough he is
>>> >>nodding off. We pull over and I take over. He is asleep within minutes
>>> >>and I start to feel bad. Pressure in my forehead and my eyes start
>>> >>closing 'bad' so I open the window and crank up the heater blower and
>>> >>viola come 'instantly' back awake and figure out what is up.
>>> >>
>>> >>So I try to wake him to get him to roll down his window too. I can't!
>>> >>I have to pull over and physically open the door to get him air!
>>> >>
>>> >>The rest of the trip was done with all the windows down! We tried it
>>> >>with just the heater on full blast with the front windows rolled up and
>>> >>that did 'not' work. The forehead pressure came back for me pretty fast
>>> >>and he was nodding out again fast.
>>> >>
>>> >>So basically if you have any of the back windows open or even all 3 out
>>> >>like we did, the front windows must be open too.
>>> >>
>>> >>Mike
>>> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >>
>>> >>Joe Carroll wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Just got a soft top for the 2k-tj, inherited from my son. Finally
>>> >>> figured where everything goes and in what order, I think. I seem to
>>> >>> remember a post about driving with windows out and carbon monoxide
>>> >>> build up. Could someone give me some pointers on the do's and don't
>>> >>> with soft tops so I don't wind up upside down in ditch, I'm getting to
>>> >>> old for that stuff... :-)
>>> >>> Joe Carroll
>>> >>> 2K-TJ
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
>>> >>> Joseph Duemer

jbjeep

I'm gonna have to think about that for a bit. Although if that was part of the issue
with my rig, it ought to be fixed now - I just had a new exhaust put on, the other
was leaking...



On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:13:10 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>I run with just the Bikini top on and doors and notice fumes if the wind
>>is wrong and the windows up 'usually' only when going slow, but neither
>>my hard or soft doors seal to the top so I can usually run with the
>>windows up and fan on.
>>
>>At least I know the symptoms of CO poisoning from driving too many rusty
>>old beaters over the years. When my eyelids get abnormally heavy with a
>>heavy forehead, it is time for air Fast!
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow. Scary Mike!
>>> Never thought about it like that since I dont usually run that door/top combo.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:02:30 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>It is sneaky and deadly!
>>> >>
>>> >>I have experience in a TJ getting gassed out to the point of passing
>>> >>out!
>>> >>
>>> >>A friend has a TJ and we went camping with me riding shotgun. He likes
>>> >>to drive with just the top on and all the 3 back windows out with hard
>>> >>doors.
>>> >>
>>> >>His GF and he both warned me he is a terrible highway driver because he
>>> >>always falls asleep in the Jeep and he was complaining he couldn't
>>> >>control it. He is also fairly young and inexperienced, so I chalk it up
>>> >>to that.
>>> >>
>>> >>So we are about a half hour out on the highway and sure enough he is
>>> >>nodding off. We pull over and I take over. He is asleep within minutes
>>> >>and I start to feel bad. Pressure in my forehead and my eyes start
>>> >>closing 'bad' so I open the window and crank up the heater blower and
>>> >>viola come 'instantly' back awake and figure out what is up.
>>> >>
>>> >>So I try to wake him to get him to roll down his window too. I can't!
>>> >>I have to pull over and physically open the door to get him air!
>>> >>
>>> >>The rest of the trip was done with all the windows down! We tried it
>>> >>with just the heater on full blast with the front windows rolled up and
>>> >>that did 'not' work. The forehead pressure came back for me pretty fast
>>> >>and he was nodding out again fast.
>>> >>
>>> >>So basically if you have any of the back windows open or even all 3 out
>>> >>like we did, the front windows must be open too.
>>> >>
>>> >>Mike
>>> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >>
>>> >>Joe Carroll wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Just got a soft top for the 2k-tj, inherited from my son. Finally
>>> >>> figured where everything goes and in what order, I think. I seem to
>>> >>> remember a post about driving with windows out and carbon monoxide
>>> >>> build up. Could someone give me some pointers on the do's and don't
>>> >>> with soft tops so I don't wind up upside down in ditch, I'm getting to
>>> >>> old for that stuff... :-)
>>> >>> Joe Carroll
>>> >>> 2K-TJ
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
>>> >>> Joseph Duemer

jbjeep

I'm gonna have to think about that for a bit. Although if that was part of the issue
with my rig, it ought to be fixed now - I just had a new exhaust put on, the other
was leaking...



On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:13:10 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>I run with just the Bikini top on and doors and notice fumes if the wind
>>is wrong and the windows up 'usually' only when going slow, but neither
>>my hard or soft doors seal to the top so I can usually run with the
>>windows up and fan on.
>>
>>At least I know the symptoms of CO poisoning from driving too many rusty
>>old beaters over the years. When my eyelids get abnormally heavy with a
>>heavy forehead, it is time for air Fast!
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow. Scary Mike!
>>> Never thought about it like that since I dont usually run that door/top combo.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:02:30 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>It is sneaky and deadly!
>>> >>
>>> >>I have experience in a TJ getting gassed out to the point of passing
>>> >>out!
>>> >>
>>> >>A friend has a TJ and we went camping with me riding shotgun. He likes
>>> >>to drive with just the top on and all the 3 back windows out with hard
>>> >>doors.
>>> >>
>>> >>His GF and he both warned me he is a terrible highway driver because he
>>> >>always falls asleep in the Jeep and he was complaining he couldn't
>>> >>control it. He is also fairly young and inexperienced, so I chalk it up
>>> >>to that.
>>> >>
>>> >>So we are about a half hour out on the highway and sure enough he is
>>> >>nodding off. We pull over and I take over. He is asleep within minutes
>>> >>and I start to feel bad. Pressure in my forehead and my eyes start
>>> >>closing 'bad' so I open the window and crank up the heater blower and
>>> >>viola come 'instantly' back awake and figure out what is up.
>>> >>
>>> >>So I try to wake him to get him to roll down his window too. I can't!
>>> >>I have to pull over and physically open the door to get him air!
>>> >>
>>> >>The rest of the trip was done with all the windows down! We tried it
>>> >>with just the heater on full blast with the front windows rolled up and
>>> >>that did 'not' work. The forehead pressure came back for me pretty fast
>>> >>and he was nodding out again fast.
>>> >>
>>> >>So basically if you have any of the back windows open or even all 3 out
>>> >>like we did, the front windows must be open too.
>>> >>
>>> >>Mike
>>> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >>
>>> >>Joe Carroll wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Just got a soft top for the 2k-tj, inherited from my son. Finally
>>> >>> figured where everything goes and in what order, I think. I seem to
>>> >>> remember a post about driving with windows out and carbon monoxide
>>> >>> build up. Could someone give me some pointers on the do's and don't
>>> >>> with soft tops so I don't wind up upside down in ditch, I'm getting to
>>> >>> old for that stuff... :-)
>>> >>> Joe Carroll
>>> >>> 2K-TJ
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
>>> >>> Joseph Duemer

jbjeep

I'm gonna have to think about that for a bit. Although if that was part of the issue
with my rig, it ought to be fixed now - I just had a new exhaust put on, the other
was leaking...



On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:13:10 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>I run with just the Bikini top on and doors and notice fumes if the wind
>>is wrong and the windows up 'usually' only when going slow, but neither
>>my hard or soft doors seal to the top so I can usually run with the
>>windows up and fan on.
>>
>>At least I know the symptoms of CO poisoning from driving too many rusty
>>old beaters over the years. When my eyelids get abnormally heavy with a
>>heavy forehead, it is time for air Fast!
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow. Scary Mike!
>>> Never thought about it like that since I dont usually run that door/top combo.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:02:30 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>It is sneaky and deadly!
>>> >>
>>> >>I have experience in a TJ getting gassed out to the point of passing
>>> >>out!
>>> >>
>>> >>A friend has a TJ and we went camping with me riding shotgun. He likes
>>> >>to drive with just the top on and all the 3 back windows out with hard
>>> >>doors.
>>> >>
>>> >>His GF and he both warned me he is a terrible highway driver because he
>>> >>always falls asleep in the Jeep and he was complaining he couldn't
>>> >>control it. He is also fairly young and inexperienced, so I chalk it up
>>> >>to that.
>>> >>
>>> >>So we are about a half hour out on the highway and sure enough he is
>>> >>nodding off. We pull over and I take over. He is asleep within minutes
>>> >>and I start to feel bad. Pressure in my forehead and my eyes start
>>> >>closing 'bad' so I open the window and crank up the heater blower and
>>> >>viola come 'instantly' back awake and figure out what is up.
>>> >>
>>> >>So I try to wake him to get him to roll down his window too. I can't!
>>> >>I have to pull over and physically open the door to get him air!
>>> >>
>>> >>The rest of the trip was done with all the windows down! We tried it
>>> >>with just the heater on full blast with the front windows rolled up and
>>> >>that did 'not' work. The forehead pressure came back for me pretty fast
>>> >>and he was nodding out again fast.
>>> >>
>>> >>So basically if you have any of the back windows open or even all 3 out
>>> >>like we did, the front windows must be open too.
>>> >>
>>> >>Mike
>>> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >>
>>> >>Joe Carroll wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Just got a soft top for the 2k-tj, inherited from my son. Finally
>>> >>> figured where everything goes and in what order, I think. I seem to
>>> >>> remember a post about driving with windows out and carbon monoxide
>>> >>> build up. Could someone give me some pointers on the do's and don't
>>> >>> with soft tops so I don't wind up upside down in ditch, I'm getting to
>>> >>> old for that stuff... :-)
>>> >>> Joe Carroll
>>> >>> 2K-TJ
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
>>> >>> Joseph Duemer

Mike Romain

Mine is all new.

One way to check is to take a battery powered CO detector and hang it
from the rear view mirror or shifter....

It is just the nature of square backed vehicles. If you have an opening
there, a vacuum vortex forms.

I believe that is also the main reason they won't rent U-haul style
trailers to soft tops. It allows a vortex to stay in-between them and
fumes can come through the back zippers.

Mike

jbjeep wrote:
>
> I'm gonna have to think about that for a bit. Although if that was part of the issue
> with my rig, it ought to be fixed now - I just had a new exhaust put on, the other
> was leaking...
>
> On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:13:10 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>I run with just the Bikini top on and doors and notice fumes if the wind
> >>is wrong and the windows up 'usually' only when going slow, but neither
> >>my hard or soft doors seal to the top so I can usually run with the
> >>windows up and fan on.
> >>
> >>At least I know the symptoms of CO poisoning from driving too many rusty
> >>old beaters over the years. When my eyelids get abnormally heavy with a
> >>heavy forehead, it is time for air Fast!
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wow. Scary Mike!
> >>> Never thought about it like that since I dont usually run that door/top combo.
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:02:30 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >>It is sneaky and deadly!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>I have experience in a TJ getting gassed out to the point of passing
> >>> >>out!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>A friend has a TJ and we went camping with me riding shotgun. He likes
> >>> >>to drive with just the top on and all the 3 back windows out with hard
> >>> >>doors.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>His GF and he both warned me he is a terrible highway driver because he
> >>> >>always falls asleep in the Jeep and he was complaining he couldn't
> >>> >>control it. He is also fairly young and inexperienced, so I chalk it up
> >>> >>to that.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>So we are about a half hour out on the highway and sure enough he is
> >>> >>nodding off. We pull over and I take over. He is asleep within minutes
> >>> >>and I start to feel bad. Pressure in my forehead and my eyes start
> >>> >>closing 'bad' so I open the window and crank up the heater blower and
> >>> >>viola come 'instantly' back awake and figure out what is up.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>So I try to wake him to get him to roll down his window too. I can't!
> >>> >>I have to pull over and physically open the door to get him air!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>The rest of the trip was done with all the windows down! We tried it
> >>> >>with just the heater on full blast with the front windows rolled up and
> >>> >>that did 'not' work. The forehead pressure came back for me pretty fast
> >>> >>and he was nodding out again fast.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>So basically if you have any of the back windows open or even all 3 out
> >>> >>like we did, the front windows must be open too.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Mike
> >>> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Joe Carroll wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Just got a soft top for the 2k-tj, inherited from my son. Finally
> >>> >>> figured where everything goes and in what order, I think. I seem to
> >>> >>> remember a post about driving with windows out and carbon monoxide
> >>> >>> build up. Could someone give me some pointers on the do's and don't
> >>> >>> with soft tops so I don't wind up upside down in ditch, I'm getting to
> >>> >>> old for that stuff... :-)
> >>> >>> Joe Carroll
> >>> >>> 2K-TJ
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> >>> >>> Joseph Duemer

Mike Romain

Mine is all new.

One way to check is to take a battery powered CO detector and hang it
from the rear view mirror or shifter....

It is just the nature of square backed vehicles. If you have an opening
there, a vacuum vortex forms.

I believe that is also the main reason they won't rent U-haul style
trailers to soft tops. It allows a vortex to stay in-between them and
fumes can come through the back zippers.

Mike

jbjeep wrote:
>
> I'm gonna have to think about that for a bit. Although if that was part of the issue
> with my rig, it ought to be fixed now - I just had a new exhaust put on, the other
> was leaking...
>
> On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:13:10 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>I run with just the Bikini top on and doors and notice fumes if the wind
> >>is wrong and the windows up 'usually' only when going slow, but neither
> >>my hard or soft doors seal to the top so I can usually run with the
> >>windows up and fan on.
> >>
> >>At least I know the symptoms of CO poisoning from driving too many rusty
> >>old beaters over the years. When my eyelids get abnormally heavy with a
> >>heavy forehead, it is time for air Fast!
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wow. Scary Mike!
> >>> Never thought about it like that since I dont usually run that door/top combo.
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:02:30 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >>It is sneaky and deadly!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>I have experience in a TJ getting gassed out to the point of passing
> >>> >>out!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>A friend has a TJ and we went camping with me riding shotgun. He likes
> >>> >>to drive with just the top on and all the 3 back windows out with hard
> >>> >>doors.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>His GF and he both warned me he is a terrible highway driver because he
> >>> >>always falls asleep in the Jeep and he was complaining he couldn't
> >>> >>control it. He is also fairly young and inexperienced, so I chalk it up
> >>> >>to that.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>So we are about a half hour out on the highway and sure enough he is
> >>> >>nodding off. We pull over and I take over. He is asleep within minutes
> >>> >>and I start to feel bad. Pressure in my forehead and my eyes start
> >>> >>closing 'bad' so I open the window and crank up the heater blower and
> >>> >>viola come 'instantly' back awake and figure out what is up.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>So I try to wake him to get him to roll down his window too. I can't!
> >>> >>I have to pull over and physically open the door to get him air!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>The rest of the trip was done with all the windows down! We tried it
> >>> >>with just the heater on full blast with the front windows rolled up and
> >>> >>that did 'not' work. The forehead pressure came back for me pretty fast
> >>> >>and he was nodding out again fast.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>So basically if you have any of the back windows open or even all 3 out
> >>> >>like we did, the front windows must be open too.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Mike
> >>> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Joe Carroll wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Just got a soft top for the 2k-tj, inherited from my son. Finally
> >>> >>> figured where everything goes and in what order, I think. I seem to
> >>> >>> remember a post about driving with windows out and carbon monoxide
> >>> >>> build up. Could someone give me some pointers on the do's and don't
> >>> >>> with soft tops so I don't wind up upside down in ditch, I'm getting to
> >>> >>> old for that stuff... :-)
> >>> >>> Joe Carroll
> >>> >>> 2K-TJ
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> >>> >>> Joseph Duemer

Mike Romain

Mine is all new.

One way to check is to take a battery powered CO detector and hang it
from the rear view mirror or shifter....

It is just the nature of square backed vehicles. If you have an opening
there, a vacuum vortex forms.

I believe that is also the main reason they won't rent U-haul style
trailers to soft tops. It allows a vortex to stay in-between them and
fumes can come through the back zippers.

Mike

jbjeep wrote:
>
> I'm gonna have to think about that for a bit. Although if that was part of the issue
> with my rig, it ought to be fixed now - I just had a new exhaust put on, the other
> was leaking...
>
> On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:13:10 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>I run with just the Bikini top on and doors and notice fumes if the wind
> >>is wrong and the windows up 'usually' only when going slow, but neither
> >>my hard or soft doors seal to the top so I can usually run with the
> >>windows up and fan on.
> >>
> >>At least I know the symptoms of CO poisoning from driving too many rusty
> >>old beaters over the years. When my eyelids get abnormally heavy with a
> >>heavy forehead, it is time for air Fast!
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wow. Scary Mike!
> >>> Never thought about it like that since I dont usually run that door/top combo.
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:02:30 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >>It is sneaky and deadly!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>I have experience in a TJ getting gassed out to the point of passing
> >>> >>out!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>A friend has a TJ and we went camping with me riding shotgun. He likes
> >>> >>to drive with just the top on and all the 3 back windows out with hard
> >>> >>doors.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>His GF and he both warned me he is a terrible highway driver because he
> >>> >>always falls asleep in the Jeep and he was complaining he couldn't
> >>> >>control it. He is also fairly young and inexperienced, so I chalk it up
> >>> >>to that.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>So we are about a half hour out on the highway and sure enough he is
> >>> >>nodding off. We pull over and I take over. He is asleep within minutes
> >>> >>and I start to feel bad. Pressure in my forehead and my eyes start
> >>> >>closing 'bad' so I open the window and crank up the heater blower and
> >>> >>viola come 'instantly' back awake and figure out what is up.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>So I try to wake him to get him to roll down his window too. I can't!
> >>> >>I have to pull over and physically open the door to get him air!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>The rest of the trip was done with all the windows down! We tried it
> >>> >>with just the heater on full blast with the front windows rolled up and
> >>> >>that did 'not' work. The forehead pressure came back for me pretty fast
> >>> >>and he was nodding out again fast.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>So basically if you have any of the back windows open or even all 3 out
> >>> >>like we did, the front windows must be open too.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Mike
> >>> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Joe Carroll wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Just got a soft top for the 2k-tj, inherited from my son. Finally
> >>> >>> figured where everything goes and in what order, I think. I seem to
> >>> >>> remember a post about driving with windows out and carbon monoxide
> >>> >>> build up. Could someone give me some pointers on the do's and don't
> >>> >>> with soft tops so I don't wind up upside down in ditch, I'm getting to
> >>> >>> old for that stuff... :-)
> >>> >>> Joe Carroll
> >>> >>> 2K-TJ
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
> >>> >>> Joseph Duemer