Snorkel ban Minnesota / stop senator Frederickson's Bill SF2793
#21
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Snorkel ban Minnesota / stop senator Frederickson's Bill SF2793
Yeah the MN legislator didn't really get anything passed this session.
"Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:16Bqc.73$oL6.80726@news.uswest.net...
> Bill is dead for this session.
>
> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>> "Willem-Jan Markerink" <w.j.markerink@a1.nl> wrote in
>> news:Xns94C1785EFEF9wjmarkerinka1nl@130.133.1.4:
>>
>>
>>>[posted and mailed]
>>>
>>>For all offroad friends, in particular Minnesotans, time for you to stand
>>
>> up
>>>for your rights.
>>>Speak up now, or be silent on this topic forever.
>>>
>>>
>>>And while it might seem to affect only Minnesota, please realize that
>>
>> this
>>>could set a nasty precedent for other US-states.
>>>
>>>
>>>Complete background story, first posted 20 march 2004, been running on
>>>several (Land Cruiser related) mailinglists since:
>>>
>>>http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/...ota_SF2793.txt
>>>
>>>
>>>Below first the final plea, from Alex Woodmansee, the lady who has spend
>>
>> tons
>>>of hours fighting this bill the polite way, to contact the senator who
>>>created this lunacrous proposition:
>>>(note that the last reactions from his office imply that the senator has
>>
>> NO
>>>interest in changing the current wording at all (despite what he told
>>
>> before,
>>>the bastard!), so the polite game has ended; not only contact his office
>>
>> by
>>>all possible means, but Minnesotans should their own Minnesota senator,
>>
>> to
>>>oppose this bill as strongly as possible)
>>>
>>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>From: "woodmansee" <woodmansee@ll.net>
>>>Subject: [DTLC] snorkel ban help
>>>Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:19:12 -0600
>>>
>>>all right, i am starting to get scared now, i am begging everyone, i
>>>don't care where you are, to e-mail Senator Frederickson
>>>sen.dennis.frederickson@senate.mn
>>>or call and leave a voice mail (651) 296-8138
>>>
>>>and ask that he do a line item delete on his snorkel ban language in SF
>>>2793
>>>
>>>thanks
>>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Last & most important message, falsifying the idea that it would affect
>>
>> only
>>>non-road-legal ATV's:
>>>
>>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxx
>>>From: "woodmansee" <woodmansee@ll.net>
>>>Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: [80_usa] (Fwd) snorkel ban help / Minnesota
>>>Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:47:32 -0600
>>>
>>>okay, here's the whole deal
>>>
>>>http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us
>>>
>>>senate file 2793 chief author frederickson in subdivision 1 section c
>>>reads
>>>"A person may not operate an off-highway vehicle off-road on public land
>>>or public waters with an air intake pipe that is more than six inches
>>>above the manufacturer's original air-intake pipe"
>>>
>>>in MN an off highway vehicle is defined as an ATV (all terrain vehicle
>>>i.e. a three or four wheeler like a Honda Foreman, etc.), an OHM
>>>(off-highway motorcycle), and an ORV (off-road vehicle) which is what a
>>>land cruiser would fall under.
>>>
>>>now, the definition of an ORV is a vehicle licensed under MN statute blah
>>>blah blah (which means a vehicle that is highway licensed) that is then
>>>taken off road. so, if there were a toyota corolla that wanted to go on
>>
>> a
>>
>>>"trail" (NOT a forest road) in a state forest say to go berry picking
>>>(yes, in MN this is a reality), that corolla then becomes an ORV.
>>>
>>>highway licensed vehicles are NOT exempt from this snorkel ban.
>>>
>>>the proposed ban makes it illegal to operate an ATV, OHM, or ORV with a
>>>snorkel while off road on state lands, not just state forests, but any
>>>state lands. there are exemptions for those doing utility, logging, or
>>>farm work and such.
>>>
>>>so, i can keep my snorkels on my trucks and be fine as long as i am never
>>>off road on any state lands with them. otherwise, to be in compliance
>>>while off road on state lands, i would have to remove my safari snorkel
>>>from my truck. ya, right, like i can do that.
>>>
>>>my three diesel cruisers are daily drivers for me. i put snorkels on for
>>>all the well known on road reasons. and keep in mind water and wetland
>>>crossings are already illegal here! but my trucks are also my trail rigs
>>>and do see trail time anywhere from 5% to 15% of the time. this law
>>
>> would
>>
>>>force me to forgo a furture or undo a current modification that is really
>>>designed and used for on road purposes only on trucks are on road the
>>>majority of the time. most of the trucks in MN that have snorkels are
>>>also mostly road denizens (land rovers). the only trucks that are truly
>>>off road only trailer queens are some of the suzukis with the RPMs club.
>>>so this law is really the biggest punishment to people who have highway
>>>licensed vehicles with snorkels on them for the obvious smart on road
>>>reasons who wish to take those particular trucks off road from time to
>>>time on MN state lands.
>>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>And NO, this is NOT a late April Fool's joke.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Good news!
>>
>> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXxxx
>> On 18 May 2004 at 21:32, All American Imports wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Some good news for a change.
>>>
>>>Pushing and pulling here and there has helped a bit.
>>
>>
>> Reminds me of pigs....;))
>> (even my own Iron Pig, as that is how its front door operates....:))
>>
>>
>>>Being a member payed off this time.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>
>>> Maarten Verschure
>>>
>>> Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2004 19:50
>>>Onderwerp: SEMA Legislative Update: Minnesota Anti-Hobbyist Snorkel Bill
>>>DIES
>>
>>
>> Kewl....:))
>> (in a Dutch newsgroup a few weeks ago, I ended a boring discussion by
>> stating that I now had better things to do, like interfering with US-
>> politics, but I gladly share that honor with a fellow Dutchman of
>> course....;))
>>
>> Willem
>> (wishing he had a similar amount of influence on local
>> politics....;))
>> Jan
>>
>>
>>
>>>LEGISLATIVE UPDATE
>>>
>>>Anti-Hobbyist Snorkel Bill Dies As Minnesota Legislature Adjourns
>>>
>>> Legislation (SF 2793/SF 2831) that would have prohibited
>>>operation of an off-highway vehicle (OHV) on public land or public
>>>waters with an air-intake pipe or snorkel that is more than six inches
>>>above the manufacturer's original air-intake pipe died when the
>>>Minnesota Legislature adjourned. SF 2793 was introduced as a proposal
>>>for a study on the impact of OHVs on wetlands, but was amended in
>>>committee to include the proposed ban on snorkel use. We will be on
>>>alert if and when the bill is introduced again next year!
>>>Congratulations to Those Who Contacted Minnesota State Legislators to
>>>Oppose this Bill!
>>>
>>> SEMA Washington Office
>>>
>>> 1317 F Street, N.W., Suite 500
>>>
>>> Washington, D.C. 20004-1105
>>>
>>> Attention: Steve McDonald
>>>
>>> stevem@sema.org
>>
>>
>>
"Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:16Bqc.73$oL6.80726@news.uswest.net...
> Bill is dead for this session.
>
> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>> "Willem-Jan Markerink" <w.j.markerink@a1.nl> wrote in
>> news:Xns94C1785EFEF9wjmarkerinka1nl@130.133.1.4:
>>
>>
>>>[posted and mailed]
>>>
>>>For all offroad friends, in particular Minnesotans, time for you to stand
>>
>> up
>>>for your rights.
>>>Speak up now, or be silent on this topic forever.
>>>
>>>
>>>And while it might seem to affect only Minnesota, please realize that
>>
>> this
>>>could set a nasty precedent for other US-states.
>>>
>>>
>>>Complete background story, first posted 20 march 2004, been running on
>>>several (Land Cruiser related) mailinglists since:
>>>
>>>http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/...ota_SF2793.txt
>>>
>>>
>>>Below first the final plea, from Alex Woodmansee, the lady who has spend
>>
>> tons
>>>of hours fighting this bill the polite way, to contact the senator who
>>>created this lunacrous proposition:
>>>(note that the last reactions from his office imply that the senator has
>>
>> NO
>>>interest in changing the current wording at all (despite what he told
>>
>> before,
>>>the bastard!), so the polite game has ended; not only contact his office
>>
>> by
>>>all possible means, but Minnesotans should their own Minnesota senator,
>>
>> to
>>>oppose this bill as strongly as possible)
>>>
>>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>From: "woodmansee" <woodmansee@ll.net>
>>>Subject: [DTLC] snorkel ban help
>>>Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:19:12 -0600
>>>
>>>all right, i am starting to get scared now, i am begging everyone, i
>>>don't care where you are, to e-mail Senator Frederickson
>>>sen.dennis.frederickson@senate.mn
>>>or call and leave a voice mail (651) 296-8138
>>>
>>>and ask that he do a line item delete on his snorkel ban language in SF
>>>2793
>>>
>>>thanks
>>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Last & most important message, falsifying the idea that it would affect
>>
>> only
>>>non-road-legal ATV's:
>>>
>>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxx
>>>From: "woodmansee" <woodmansee@ll.net>
>>>Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: [80_usa] (Fwd) snorkel ban help / Minnesota
>>>Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:47:32 -0600
>>>
>>>okay, here's the whole deal
>>>
>>>http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us
>>>
>>>senate file 2793 chief author frederickson in subdivision 1 section c
>>>reads
>>>"A person may not operate an off-highway vehicle off-road on public land
>>>or public waters with an air intake pipe that is more than six inches
>>>above the manufacturer's original air-intake pipe"
>>>
>>>in MN an off highway vehicle is defined as an ATV (all terrain vehicle
>>>i.e. a three or four wheeler like a Honda Foreman, etc.), an OHM
>>>(off-highway motorcycle), and an ORV (off-road vehicle) which is what a
>>>land cruiser would fall under.
>>>
>>>now, the definition of an ORV is a vehicle licensed under MN statute blah
>>>blah blah (which means a vehicle that is highway licensed) that is then
>>>taken off road. so, if there were a toyota corolla that wanted to go on
>>
>> a
>>
>>>"trail" (NOT a forest road) in a state forest say to go berry picking
>>>(yes, in MN this is a reality), that corolla then becomes an ORV.
>>>
>>>highway licensed vehicles are NOT exempt from this snorkel ban.
>>>
>>>the proposed ban makes it illegal to operate an ATV, OHM, or ORV with a
>>>snorkel while off road on state lands, not just state forests, but any
>>>state lands. there are exemptions for those doing utility, logging, or
>>>farm work and such.
>>>
>>>so, i can keep my snorkels on my trucks and be fine as long as i am never
>>>off road on any state lands with them. otherwise, to be in compliance
>>>while off road on state lands, i would have to remove my safari snorkel
>>>from my truck. ya, right, like i can do that.
>>>
>>>my three diesel cruisers are daily drivers for me. i put snorkels on for
>>>all the well known on road reasons. and keep in mind water and wetland
>>>crossings are already illegal here! but my trucks are also my trail rigs
>>>and do see trail time anywhere from 5% to 15% of the time. this law
>>
>> would
>>
>>>force me to forgo a furture or undo a current modification that is really
>>>designed and used for on road purposes only on trucks are on road the
>>>majority of the time. most of the trucks in MN that have snorkels are
>>>also mostly road denizens (land rovers). the only trucks that are truly
>>>off road only trailer queens are some of the suzukis with the RPMs club.
>>>so this law is really the biggest punishment to people who have highway
>>>licensed vehicles with snorkels on them for the obvious smart on road
>>>reasons who wish to take those particular trucks off road from time to
>>>time on MN state lands.
>>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>And NO, this is NOT a late April Fool's joke.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Good news!
>>
>> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXxxx
>> On 18 May 2004 at 21:32, All American Imports wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Some good news for a change.
>>>
>>>Pushing and pulling here and there has helped a bit.
>>
>>
>> Reminds me of pigs....;))
>> (even my own Iron Pig, as that is how its front door operates....:))
>>
>>
>>>Being a member payed off this time.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>
>>> Maarten Verschure
>>>
>>> Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2004 19:50
>>>Onderwerp: SEMA Legislative Update: Minnesota Anti-Hobbyist Snorkel Bill
>>>DIES
>>
>>
>> Kewl....:))
>> (in a Dutch newsgroup a few weeks ago, I ended a boring discussion by
>> stating that I now had better things to do, like interfering with US-
>> politics, but I gladly share that honor with a fellow Dutchman of
>> course....;))
>>
>> Willem
>> (wishing he had a similar amount of influence on local
>> politics....;))
>> Jan
>>
>>
>>
>>>LEGISLATIVE UPDATE
>>>
>>>Anti-Hobbyist Snorkel Bill Dies As Minnesota Legislature Adjourns
>>>
>>> Legislation (SF 2793/SF 2831) that would have prohibited
>>>operation of an off-highway vehicle (OHV) on public land or public
>>>waters with an air-intake pipe or snorkel that is more than six inches
>>>above the manufacturer's original air-intake pipe died when the
>>>Minnesota Legislature adjourned. SF 2793 was introduced as a proposal
>>>for a study on the impact of OHVs on wetlands, but was amended in
>>>committee to include the proposed ban on snorkel use. We will be on
>>>alert if and when the bill is introduced again next year!
>>>Congratulations to Those Who Contacted Minnesota State Legislators to
>>>Oppose this Bill!
>>>
>>> SEMA Washington Office
>>>
>>> 1317 F Street, N.W., Suite 500
>>>
>>> Washington, D.C. 20004-1105
>>>
>>> Attention: Steve McDonald
>>>
>>> stevem@sema.org
>>
>>
>>
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
resprider
Jeep Mailing List
20
05-20-2005 11:30 PM
resprider
Jeep Mailing List
0
04-13-2005 09:58 PM
byrsc@comcast.net
Jeep Mailing List
4
04-12-2005 01:17 PM
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)