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Re: slip yoke eliminator...brand? recommendations? install help?
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19d45&seekm=4b764732.0302201342.aac0dfe%40posting. google.com#link1 http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&l...rnum=1&thl=0,1 127985703,1127726135,1127681833,1127298306,1127285 304,1127211588,112727437 4,1127271000,1127264324,1127210167,1127209609&seek m=3E198FA7.9060602%40net scape.net#link1 http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&l...th=884df9b2167 5c728&seekm=20030222030633.11719.00000007%40mb-dd.aol.com#s In article <20031007224214.15462.00003445@mb-m06.aol.com>, mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes: >IIRC it was a stock shaft but I may be mistaken. I'll look though my sent >messages and see if I can locate the thread. > >In article <5MIgb.32142$r25.27374@twister.southeast.rr.com> , "Nathan W. >Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> writes: > >>"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message >>news:20031007192552.21457.00001153@mb-m10.aol.com... >>> Hmm, there one someone here about a year ago who did just that..can't >>remember >>> who, but his mainshaft split right at that narrow section. >> >>improper installations (drilling into the narrow section when the >>instructions are clear on that) does not count. > * * * Matt Macchiarolo www.townpeddler.com www.wolverine4wd.org http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html |
Re: slip yoke eliminator...brand? recommendations? install help?
Poor babies!!! ;-)
"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:KzAgb.47388$gv5.38481@fed1read05... > And then there are those of us stuck with the np242 transfer case. > KH > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message > news:vo5ga922gar68c@corp.supernews.com... > > Tom Woods recommended the JB Conversions kit, which uses a stronger output > > shaft and a splined output yoke. Much stronger than the other main type, > > which uses a shortened & tapped stock output shaft. FWIW, I installed a > > Currie kit on my '94 YJ which just uses a shortened & tapped stock shaft & > > flange plate to accept a CV shaft. It held up fine with the stock > > drivetrain. I replaced the entire t-case with an AtlasII when I upgraded > > the axles & added lockers. > > > > As for doing it yourself, and bearing in mind I am a former ASE Master > Tech > > who's done many transmission repairs before I attempted this, it's not > > really a very complicated operation. FWIW, I did mine by splitting the > case > > in the vehicle, rather than pulling the whole unit out of the vehicle. > > Hardest part of the entire operation was getting the front output yoke's > nut > > loose, but once that was accomplished the replacement went very easily. > Now, > > the > > JB Conversions type kits are a bit more complex and I'm not sure you could > > do it the way I just described. Once Installed, adding on the new rear > > driveshaft is a piece 'o cake. > > > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message > > news:47b769ae.0310061901.4bec7f13@posting.google.c om... > > > I'm planning to replace my rear driveshaft w/a cv shaft soon, and get > > > the SYE installed on the t-case at same time. (I'm really overdue with > > > this conversion and driveshaft replacement; I've had a 4" lift and 1" > > > t-case drop installed for over a year now, and need to finally replace > > > that u-joint rear!) > > > > > > My questions to the group are: > > > > > > 1) What brand/model/whatever of SYE kit do you recommend? Does it > > > matter? This is with a stock 1997 TJ t-case. > > > > > > 2) I'm thinking about installing the SYE kit myself. I've never > > > cracked a t-case (or tranny or anything...) before, but I'm pretty > > > confident, and gutsy about attempting new challenges like this. > > > However, I want to make sure that if I choose to do this myself rather > > > than pay a shop, that I know what I'm getting myself into. So, please > > > let me know of any pitfalls or tips/tricks I might find useful when > > > performing a SYE kit install on my t-case. And, if there are any > > > special tools that I'll want to have on hand or buy for the install, > > > I'd appreciate a heads-up in that department as well. I've looked > > > through the web and found a couple of reports on performing this type > > > of install, but most of them seem to assume you know what you're doing > > > with an open t-case (and you now how to remove it, for that matter). > > > If anyone knows of some good guides/instructions for this sort of > > > thing, feel free to point me to them! (Bill...;-) I just know you got > > > some links for this!) > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > /Bob > > > > > > Hmm...maybe one day I'll learn enough that I can maybe ANSWER a > > > question or two on this forum, rather than just asking them...yeah > > > right! lol > > > > > > |
Re: slip yoke eliminator...brand? recommendations? install help?
Poor babies!!! ;-)
"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:KzAgb.47388$gv5.38481@fed1read05... > And then there are those of us stuck with the np242 transfer case. > KH > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message > news:vo5ga922gar68c@corp.supernews.com... > > Tom Woods recommended the JB Conversions kit, which uses a stronger output > > shaft and a splined output yoke. Much stronger than the other main type, > > which uses a shortened & tapped stock output shaft. FWIW, I installed a > > Currie kit on my '94 YJ which just uses a shortened & tapped stock shaft & > > flange plate to accept a CV shaft. It held up fine with the stock > > drivetrain. I replaced the entire t-case with an AtlasII when I upgraded > > the axles & added lockers. > > > > As for doing it yourself, and bearing in mind I am a former ASE Master > Tech > > who's done many transmission repairs before I attempted this, it's not > > really a very complicated operation. FWIW, I did mine by splitting the > case > > in the vehicle, rather than pulling the whole unit out of the vehicle. > > Hardest part of the entire operation was getting the front output yoke's > nut > > loose, but once that was accomplished the replacement went very easily. > Now, > > the > > JB Conversions type kits are a bit more complex and I'm not sure you could > > do it the way I just described. Once Installed, adding on the new rear > > driveshaft is a piece 'o cake. > > > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message > > news:47b769ae.0310061901.4bec7f13@posting.google.c om... > > > I'm planning to replace my rear driveshaft w/a cv shaft soon, and get > > > the SYE installed on the t-case at same time. (I'm really overdue with > > > this conversion and driveshaft replacement; I've had a 4" lift and 1" > > > t-case drop installed for over a year now, and need to finally replace > > > that u-joint rear!) > > > > > > My questions to the group are: > > > > > > 1) What brand/model/whatever of SYE kit do you recommend? Does it > > > matter? This is with a stock 1997 TJ t-case. > > > > > > 2) I'm thinking about installing the SYE kit myself. I've never > > > cracked a t-case (or tranny or anything...) before, but I'm pretty > > > confident, and gutsy about attempting new challenges like this. > > > However, I want to make sure that if I choose to do this myself rather > > > than pay a shop, that I know what I'm getting myself into. So, please > > > let me know of any pitfalls or tips/tricks I might find useful when > > > performing a SYE kit install on my t-case. And, if there are any > > > special tools that I'll want to have on hand or buy for the install, > > > I'd appreciate a heads-up in that department as well. I've looked > > > through the web and found a couple of reports on performing this type > > > of install, but most of them seem to assume you know what you're doing > > > with an open t-case (and you now how to remove it, for that matter). > > > If anyone knows of some good guides/instructions for this sort of > > > thing, feel free to point me to them! (Bill...;-) I just know you got > > > some links for this!) > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > /Bob > > > > > > Hmm...maybe one day I'll learn enough that I can maybe ANSWER a > > > question or two on this forum, rather than just asking them...yeah > > > right! lol > > > > > > |
Re: slip yoke eliminator...brand? recommendations? install help?
Poor babies!!! ;-)
"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:KzAgb.47388$gv5.38481@fed1read05... > And then there are those of us stuck with the np242 transfer case. > KH > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message > news:vo5ga922gar68c@corp.supernews.com... > > Tom Woods recommended the JB Conversions kit, which uses a stronger output > > shaft and a splined output yoke. Much stronger than the other main type, > > which uses a shortened & tapped stock output shaft. FWIW, I installed a > > Currie kit on my '94 YJ which just uses a shortened & tapped stock shaft & > > flange plate to accept a CV shaft. It held up fine with the stock > > drivetrain. I replaced the entire t-case with an AtlasII when I upgraded > > the axles & added lockers. > > > > As for doing it yourself, and bearing in mind I am a former ASE Master > Tech > > who's done many transmission repairs before I attempted this, it's not > > really a very complicated operation. FWIW, I did mine by splitting the > case > > in the vehicle, rather than pulling the whole unit out of the vehicle. > > Hardest part of the entire operation was getting the front output yoke's > nut > > loose, but once that was accomplished the replacement went very easily. > Now, > > the > > JB Conversions type kits are a bit more complex and I'm not sure you could > > do it the way I just described. Once Installed, adding on the new rear > > driveshaft is a piece 'o cake. > > > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message > > news:47b769ae.0310061901.4bec7f13@posting.google.c om... > > > I'm planning to replace my rear driveshaft w/a cv shaft soon, and get > > > the SYE installed on the t-case at same time. (I'm really overdue with > > > this conversion and driveshaft replacement; I've had a 4" lift and 1" > > > t-case drop installed for over a year now, and need to finally replace > > > that u-joint rear!) > > > > > > My questions to the group are: > > > > > > 1) What brand/model/whatever of SYE kit do you recommend? Does it > > > matter? This is with a stock 1997 TJ t-case. > > > > > > 2) I'm thinking about installing the SYE kit myself. I've never > > > cracked a t-case (or tranny or anything...) before, but I'm pretty > > > confident, and gutsy about attempting new challenges like this. > > > However, I want to make sure that if I choose to do this myself rather > > > than pay a shop, that I know what I'm getting myself into. So, please > > > let me know of any pitfalls or tips/tricks I might find useful when > > > performing a SYE kit install on my t-case. And, if there are any > > > special tools that I'll want to have on hand or buy for the install, > > > I'd appreciate a heads-up in that department as well. I've looked > > > through the web and found a couple of reports on performing this type > > > of install, but most of them seem to assume you know what you're doing > > > with an open t-case (and you now how to remove it, for that matter). > > > If anyone knows of some good guides/instructions for this sort of > > > thing, feel free to point me to them! (Bill...;-) I just know you got > > > some links for this!) > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > /Bob > > > > > > Hmm...maybe one day I'll learn enough that I can maybe ANSWER a > > > question or two on this forum, rather than just asking them...yeah > > > right! lol > > > > > > |
Re: slip yoke eliminator...brand? recommendations? install help?
They have been known to snap if pushed by a V8 or if a D60 with Detroit is
behind it. "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:GNCgb.31606$xB4.29585@twister.southeast.rr.co m... > "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message > news:20031007072735.21232.00001090@mb-m13.aol.com... > > > i > > >know of _no_ advantage to using the main shaft replacement system > > > > http://7slotgrille.com/tech/sye2/allapart.jpg > > > > Look at the two mainshafts...look at the difference in thickness south of > the > > syncro bearing surfaces. That's the advantage. > > theres no real world advantage to having a stronger shaft. the existing > shaft is more than adequate in its original length, and shortening it only > makes it stronger. in _all_ my years of tinkering ive _never_ heard of > anyone ever busting a stock 231 main shaft. > > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > > > |
Re: slip yoke eliminator...brand? recommendations? install help?
They have been known to snap if pushed by a V8 or if a D60 with Detroit is
behind it. "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:GNCgb.31606$xB4.29585@twister.southeast.rr.co m... > "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message > news:20031007072735.21232.00001090@mb-m13.aol.com... > > > i > > >know of _no_ advantage to using the main shaft replacement system > > > > http://7slotgrille.com/tech/sye2/allapart.jpg > > > > Look at the two mainshafts...look at the difference in thickness south of > the > > syncro bearing surfaces. That's the advantage. > > theres no real world advantage to having a stronger shaft. the existing > shaft is more than adequate in its original length, and shortening it only > makes it stronger. in _all_ my years of tinkering ive _never_ heard of > anyone ever busting a stock 231 main shaft. > > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > > > |
Re: slip yoke eliminator...brand? recommendations? install help?
They have been known to snap if pushed by a V8 or if a D60 with Detroit is
behind it. "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:GNCgb.31606$xB4.29585@twister.southeast.rr.co m... > "Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message > news:20031007072735.21232.00001090@mb-m13.aol.com... > > > i > > >know of _no_ advantage to using the main shaft replacement system > > > > http://7slotgrille.com/tech/sye2/allapart.jpg > > > > Look at the two mainshafts...look at the difference in thickness south of > the > > syncro bearing surfaces. That's the advantage. > > theres no real world advantage to having a stronger shaft. the existing > shaft is more than adequate in its original length, and shortening it only > makes it stronger. in _all_ my years of tinkering ive _never_ heard of > anyone ever busting a stock 231 main shaft. > > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > > > |
Re: slip yoke eliminator...brand? recommendations? install help?
Ray Currie snapped a few before he threw in the towel and converted to the
larger output shaft. Stock shafts break when stuck between 4.1 ratio upgrades, V8 torque, 5:33 gears and Detroits...."El Snapo!" That's why DC put the upgraded T-case in the Rubicon and why the stronger shaft of the 242 is often used as the basis of the upgrade. "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:7QCgb.31608$xB4.2651@twister.southeast.rr.com ... > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message > news:vo5ga922gar68c@corp.supernews.com... > > Much stronger than the other main type, > > which uses a shortened & tapped stock output shaft. > > why is shaft strength relevant when the stock shaft will never break? > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > > > |
Re: slip yoke eliminator...brand? recommendations? install help?
Ray Currie snapped a few before he threw in the towel and converted to the
larger output shaft. Stock shafts break when stuck between 4.1 ratio upgrades, V8 torque, 5:33 gears and Detroits...."El Snapo!" That's why DC put the upgraded T-case in the Rubicon and why the stronger shaft of the 242 is often used as the basis of the upgrade. "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:7QCgb.31608$xB4.2651@twister.southeast.rr.com ... > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message > news:vo5ga922gar68c@corp.supernews.com... > > Much stronger than the other main type, > > which uses a shortened & tapped stock output shaft. > > why is shaft strength relevant when the stock shaft will never break? > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > > > |
Re: slip yoke eliminator...brand? recommendations? install help?
Ray Currie snapped a few before he threw in the towel and converted to the
larger output shaft. Stock shafts break when stuck between 4.1 ratio upgrades, V8 torque, 5:33 gears and Detroits...."El Snapo!" That's why DC put the upgraded T-case in the Rubicon and why the stronger shaft of the 242 is often used as the basis of the upgrade. "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:7QCgb.31608$xB4.2651@twister.southeast.rr.com ... > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message > news:vo5ga922gar68c@corp.supernews.com... > > Much stronger than the other main type, > > which uses a shortened & tapped stock output shaft. > > why is shaft strength relevant when the stock shaft will never break? > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > > > |
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