That can crush your frame easily.

If you are going to do that, I recommend a larger hole on one side so
you can fit a tube along the bolt. Then on the end the tube goes in,
you use a large washer and nut. This tube will come up tight at the
same point the bolt gets tight if it is the right length so the frame
can't get crushed.

If you look at how they mount a winch plate to the frame, it is the same
idea. My Warn winch plate came with some bolts long enough to go right
through the frame and tubes to limit how tight I can do it up without
damaging the frame.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Michael White wrote:
>
> Thomas,
>
> I don't think that will work for this application, especially if all you do
> is pound something into a hole. The CJ skid plate supports the
> transmission. I think it needs to be grade 5 steel or harder. This is a
> significant amount force exerted on these bolts.
>
> But that does give me another idea - if I can find a drill bit long enough
> to reach through to the other side of the frame, I can drill a hole on the
> top side of the frame. I can then stick a long bolt through both holes and
> put a nut on the top side.
>
> I'll have to look into it...
> --
> Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
> fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891
>
> ThomasW (thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com) wrote on Thursday 11 December 2003
> 09:20 am:
>
> > Nutsert. You basically drill out your hole to the proper diam. for the
> > nutsert and then pound in the 'nut' part into the hole. You then have a
> > 'nut' without reaching the backside of the frame. Should be just fine
> > for a skid plate. Here is a link:
> >
> >
> <http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=nutsert&page=1&offset=0&result _url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestId%3D8 e71a6b1eaf54c90%26amp%3BclickedItemRank%3D1%26amp% 3BuserQuery%3Dnutsert%26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3Dhtt p%253A%252F%252Fwww.aboveboardelectronics.com%252F Avdel%252Fblind%252Fnutsert.htm%26amp%3Binvocation Type%3D-%26amp%3BfromPage%3DNSCPIndex&remove_url=http%3A%2 F%2Fwww.aboveboardelectronics.com%2FAvdel%2Fblind% 2Fnutsert.htm>
> >
> > Greg wrote:
> >> And what is a nutset? Since I am also running with 5 out of 6 on my CJ
> >>
> >> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> news:kxUBb.8$357.3353665@newssvr30.news.prodigy.co m...
> >>
> >>>What about a nutsert?
> >>>
> >>>Michael White wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>>While dropping the skid plate on my '82 Scrambler, one of the nuts
> >>
> >> inside of
> >>
> >>>>the frame broke free of what I'm assuming is its weld. Fortunately, it
> >>>>broke free after I had the bolt about half way out and I was able to
> >>
> >> hack
> >>
> >>>>saw the bolt in half and drop the skid plate.
> >>>>
> >>>>Is there any way to fix this other that having someone cut open the
> >>
> >> frame
> >>
> >>>>and weld in a new nut? Say, some sort of grade 5 butterfly nut? The
> >>
> >> hole
> >>
> >>>>is larger than I'd like to tap (I'd say 9/16" or 5/8"). Right now I'm
> >>>>running with five bolts rather than six.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>_______________________________________________ ____________
> >>>tw
> >>>03 TJ Rubicon
> >>>01 XJ Sport

 

That can crush your frame easily.

If you are going to do that, I recommend a larger hole on one side so
you can fit a tube along the bolt. Then on the end the tube goes in,
you use a large washer and nut. This tube will come up tight at the
same point the bolt gets tight if it is the right length so the frame
can't get crushed.

If you look at how they mount a winch plate to the frame, it is the same
idea. My Warn winch plate came with some bolts long enough to go right
through the frame and tubes to limit how tight I can do it up without
damaging the frame.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Michael White wrote:
>
> Thomas,
>
> I don't think that will work for this application, especially if all you do
> is pound something into a hole. The CJ skid plate supports the
> transmission. I think it needs to be grade 5 steel or harder. This is a
> significant amount force exerted on these bolts.
>
> But that does give me another idea - if I can find a drill bit long enough
> to reach through to the other side of the frame, I can drill a hole on the
> top side of the frame. I can then stick a long bolt through both holes and
> put a nut on the top side.
>
> I'll have to look into it...
> --
> Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
> fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891
>
> ThomasW (thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com) wrote on Thursday 11 December 2003
> 09:20 am:
>
> > Nutsert. You basically drill out your hole to the proper diam. for the
> > nutsert and then pound in the 'nut' part into the hole. You then have a
> > 'nut' without reaching the backside of the frame. Should be just fine
> > for a skid plate. Here is a link:
> >
> >
> <http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=nutsert&page=1&offset=0&result _url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestId%3D8 e71a6b1eaf54c90%26amp%3BclickedItemRank%3D1%26amp% 3BuserQuery%3Dnutsert%26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3Dhtt p%253A%252F%252Fwww.aboveboardelectronics.com%252F Avdel%252Fblind%252Fnutsert.htm%26amp%3Binvocation Type%3D-%26amp%3BfromPage%3DNSCPIndex&remove_url=http%3A%2 F%2Fwww.aboveboardelectronics.com%2FAvdel%2Fblind% 2Fnutsert.htm>
> >
> > Greg wrote:
> >> And what is a nutset? Since I am also running with 5 out of 6 on my CJ
> >>
> >> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> news:kxUBb.8$357.3353665@newssvr30.news.prodigy.co m...
> >>
> >>>What about a nutsert?
> >>>
> >>>Michael White wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>>While dropping the skid plate on my '82 Scrambler, one of the nuts
> >>
> >> inside of
> >>
> >>>>the frame broke free of what I'm assuming is its weld. Fortunately, it
> >>>>broke free after I had the bolt about half way out and I was able to
> >>
> >> hack
> >>
> >>>>saw the bolt in half and drop the skid plate.
> >>>>
> >>>>Is there any way to fix this other that having someone cut open the
> >>
> >> frame
> >>
> >>>>and weld in a new nut? Say, some sort of grade 5 butterfly nut? The
> >>
> >> hole
> >>
> >>>>is larger than I'd like to tap (I'd say 9/16" or 5/8"). Right now I'm
> >>>>running with five bolts rather than six.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>_______________________________________________ ____________
> >>>tw
> >>>03 TJ Rubicon
> >>>01 XJ Sport

 

That can crush your frame easily.

If you are going to do that, I recommend a larger hole on one side so
you can fit a tube along the bolt. Then on the end the tube goes in,
you use a large washer and nut. This tube will come up tight at the
same point the bolt gets tight if it is the right length so the frame
can't get crushed.

If you look at how they mount a winch plate to the frame, it is the same
idea. My Warn winch plate came with some bolts long enough to go right
through the frame and tubes to limit how tight I can do it up without
damaging the frame.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Michael White wrote:
>
> Thomas,
>
> I don't think that will work for this application, especially if all you do
> is pound something into a hole. The CJ skid plate supports the
> transmission. I think it needs to be grade 5 steel or harder. This is a
> significant amount force exerted on these bolts.
>
> But that does give me another idea - if I can find a drill bit long enough
> to reach through to the other side of the frame, I can drill a hole on the
> top side of the frame. I can then stick a long bolt through both holes and
> put a nut on the top side.
>
> I'll have to look into it...
> --
> Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
> fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891
>
> ThomasW (thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com) wrote on Thursday 11 December 2003
> 09:20 am:
>
> > Nutsert. You basically drill out your hole to the proper diam. for the
> > nutsert and then pound in the 'nut' part into the hole. You then have a
> > 'nut' without reaching the backside of the frame. Should be just fine
> > for a skid plate. Here is a link:
> >
> >
> <http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=nutsert&page=1&offset=0&result _url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestId%3D8 e71a6b1eaf54c90%26amp%3BclickedItemRank%3D1%26amp% 3BuserQuery%3Dnutsert%26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3Dhtt p%253A%252F%252Fwww.aboveboardelectronics.com%252F Avdel%252Fblind%252Fnutsert.htm%26amp%3Binvocation Type%3D-%26amp%3BfromPage%3DNSCPIndex&remove_url=http%3A%2 F%2Fwww.aboveboardelectronics.com%2FAvdel%2Fblind% 2Fnutsert.htm>
> >
> > Greg wrote:
> >> And what is a nutset? Since I am also running with 5 out of 6 on my CJ
> >>
> >> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> news:kxUBb.8$357.3353665@newssvr30.news.prodigy.co m...
> >>
> >>>What about a nutsert?
> >>>
> >>>Michael White wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>>While dropping the skid plate on my '82 Scrambler, one of the nuts
> >>
> >> inside of
> >>
> >>>>the frame broke free of what I'm assuming is its weld. Fortunately, it
> >>>>broke free after I had the bolt about half way out and I was able to
> >>
> >> hack
> >>
> >>>>saw the bolt in half and drop the skid plate.
> >>>>
> >>>>Is there any way to fix this other that having someone cut open the
> >>
> >> frame
> >>
> >>>>and weld in a new nut? Say, some sort of grade 5 butterfly nut? The
> >>
> >> hole
> >>
> >>>>is larger than I'd like to tap (I'd say 9/16" or 5/8"). Right now I'm
> >>>>running with five bolts rather than six.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>_______________________________________________ ____________
> >>>tw
> >>>03 TJ Rubicon
> >>>01 XJ Sport

 

If you're going to drill anyway, and want something that doesn't look
jury-rigged, how about this. Find yourself a nice thick washer and weld the
appropriate nut to it. Drill out the old bolt hole just large enough to
fit the nut through. Insert nut and weld the washer to the frame. No funky
bolt through methods with their frame crushing potentials and you would
barely notice the repair.


"Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:rU9Cb.8303$_r6.6270@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> Thomas,
>
> I don't think that will work for this application, especially if all you
do
> is pound something into a hole. The CJ skid plate supports the
> transmission. I think it needs to be grade 5 steel or harder. This is a
> significant amount force exerted on these bolts.
>
> But that does give me another idea - if I can find a drill bit long enough
> to reach through to the other side of the frame, I can drill a hole on the
> top side of the frame. I can then stick a long bolt through both holes
and
> put a nut on the top side.
>
> I'll have to look into it...
> --
> Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
> fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891
>
> ThomasW (thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com) wrote on Thursday 11 December 2003
> 09:20 am:
>
> > Nutsert. You basically drill out your hole to the proper diam. for the
> > nutsert and then pound in the 'nut' part into the hole. You then have a
> > 'nut' without reaching the backside of the frame. Should be just fine
> > for a skid plate. Here is a link:
> >
> >
>
<http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomfr...e=1&offset=0&r
esult_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestI d%3D8e71a6b1eaf54c90%26amp
%3BclickedItemRank%3D1%26amp%3BuserQuery%3Dnutsert %26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3D
http%253A%252F%252Fwww.aboveboardelectronics.com%2 52FAvdel%252Fblind%252Fnut
sert.htm%26amp%3BinvocationType%3D-%26amp%3BfromPage%3DNSCPIndex&remove_url=
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aboveboardelectronics.com%2FAvdel %2Fblind%2Fnutsert.htm>
> >
> > Greg wrote:
> >> And what is a nutset? Since I am also running with 5 out of 6 on my
CJ
> >>
> >> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> news:kxUBb.8$357.3353665@newssvr30.news.prodigy.co m...
> >>
> >>>What about a nutsert?
> >>>
> >>>Michael White wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>>While dropping the skid plate on my '82 Scrambler, one of the nuts
> >>
> >> inside of
> >>
> >>>>the frame broke free of what I'm assuming is its weld. Fortunately,
it
> >>>>broke free after I had the bolt about half way out and I was able to
> >>
> >> hack
> >>
> >>>>saw the bolt in half and drop the skid plate.
> >>>>
> >>>>Is there any way to fix this other that having someone cut open the
> >>
> >> frame
> >>
> >>>>and weld in a new nut? Say, some sort of grade 5 butterfly nut? The
> >>
> >> hole
> >>
> >>>>is larger than I'd like to tap (I'd say 9/16" or 5/8"). Right now I'm
> >>>>running with five bolts rather than six.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>_______________________________________________ ____________
> >>>tw
> >>>03 TJ Rubicon
> >>>01 XJ Sport

 

If you're going to drill anyway, and want something that doesn't look
jury-rigged, how about this. Find yourself a nice thick washer and weld the
appropriate nut to it. Drill out the old bolt hole just large enough to
fit the nut through. Insert nut and weld the washer to the frame. No funky
bolt through methods with their frame crushing potentials and you would
barely notice the repair.


"Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:rU9Cb.8303$_r6.6270@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> Thomas,
>
> I don't think that will work for this application, especially if all you
do
> is pound something into a hole. The CJ skid plate supports the
> transmission. I think it needs to be grade 5 steel or harder. This is a
> significant amount force exerted on these bolts.
>
> But that does give me another idea - if I can find a drill bit long enough
> to reach through to the other side of the frame, I can drill a hole on the
> top side of the frame. I can then stick a long bolt through both holes
and
> put a nut on the top side.
>
> I'll have to look into it...
> --
> Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
> fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891
>
> ThomasW (thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com) wrote on Thursday 11 December 2003
> 09:20 am:
>
> > Nutsert. You basically drill out your hole to the proper diam. for the
> > nutsert and then pound in the 'nut' part into the hole. You then have a
> > 'nut' without reaching the backside of the frame. Should be just fine
> > for a skid plate. Here is a link:
> >
> >
>
<http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomfr...e=1&offset=0&r
esult_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestI d%3D8e71a6b1eaf54c90%26amp
%3BclickedItemRank%3D1%26amp%3BuserQuery%3Dnutsert %26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3D
http%253A%252F%252Fwww.aboveboardelectronics.com%2 52FAvdel%252Fblind%252Fnut
sert.htm%26amp%3BinvocationType%3D-%26amp%3BfromPage%3DNSCPIndex&remove_url=
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aboveboardelectronics.com%2FAvdel %2Fblind%2Fnutsert.htm>
> >
> > Greg wrote:
> >> And what is a nutset? Since I am also running with 5 out of 6 on my
CJ
> >>
> >> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> news:kxUBb.8$357.3353665@newssvr30.news.prodigy.co m...
> >>
> >>>What about a nutsert?
> >>>
> >>>Michael White wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>>While dropping the skid plate on my '82 Scrambler, one of the nuts
> >>
> >> inside of
> >>
> >>>>the frame broke free of what I'm assuming is its weld. Fortunately,
it
> >>>>broke free after I had the bolt about half way out and I was able to
> >>
> >> hack
> >>
> >>>>saw the bolt in half and drop the skid plate.
> >>>>
> >>>>Is there any way to fix this other that having someone cut open the
> >>
> >> frame
> >>
> >>>>and weld in a new nut? Say, some sort of grade 5 butterfly nut? The
> >>
> >> hole
> >>
> >>>>is larger than I'd like to tap (I'd say 9/16" or 5/8"). Right now I'm
> >>>>running with five bolts rather than six.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>_______________________________________________ ____________
> >>>tw
> >>>03 TJ Rubicon
> >>>01 XJ Sport

 

If you're going to drill anyway, and want something that doesn't look
jury-rigged, how about this. Find yourself a nice thick washer and weld the
appropriate nut to it. Drill out the old bolt hole just large enough to
fit the nut through. Insert nut and weld the washer to the frame. No funky
bolt through methods with their frame crushing potentials and you would
barely notice the repair.


"Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:rU9Cb.8303$_r6.6270@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> Thomas,
>
> I don't think that will work for this application, especially if all you
do
> is pound something into a hole. The CJ skid plate supports the
> transmission. I think it needs to be grade 5 steel or harder. This is a
> significant amount force exerted on these bolts.
>
> But that does give me another idea - if I can find a drill bit long enough
> to reach through to the other side of the frame, I can drill a hole on the
> top side of the frame. I can then stick a long bolt through both holes
and
> put a nut on the top side.
>
> I'll have to look into it...
> --
> Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
> fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891
>
> ThomasW (thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com) wrote on Thursday 11 December 2003
> 09:20 am:
>
> > Nutsert. You basically drill out your hole to the proper diam. for the
> > nutsert and then pound in the 'nut' part into the hole. You then have a
> > 'nut' without reaching the backside of the frame. Should be just fine
> > for a skid plate. Here is a link:
> >
> >
>
<http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomfr...e=1&offset=0&r
esult_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestI d%3D8e71a6b1eaf54c90%26amp
%3BclickedItemRank%3D1%26amp%3BuserQuery%3Dnutsert %26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3D
http%253A%252F%252Fwww.aboveboardelectronics.com%2 52FAvdel%252Fblind%252Fnut
sert.htm%26amp%3BinvocationType%3D-%26amp%3BfromPage%3DNSCPIndex&remove_url=
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aboveboardelectronics.com%2FAvdel %2Fblind%2Fnutsert.htm>
> >
> > Greg wrote:
> >> And what is a nutset? Since I am also running with 5 out of 6 on my
CJ
> >>
> >> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> news:kxUBb.8$357.3353665@newssvr30.news.prodigy.co m...
> >>
> >>>What about a nutsert?
> >>>
> >>>Michael White wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>>While dropping the skid plate on my '82 Scrambler, one of the nuts
> >>
> >> inside of
> >>
> >>>>the frame broke free of what I'm assuming is its weld. Fortunately,
it
> >>>>broke free after I had the bolt about half way out and I was able to
> >>
> >> hack
> >>
> >>>>saw the bolt in half and drop the skid plate.
> >>>>
> >>>>Is there any way to fix this other that having someone cut open the
> >>
> >> frame
> >>
> >>>>and weld in a new nut? Say, some sort of grade 5 butterfly nut? The
> >>
> >> hole
> >>
> >>>>is larger than I'd like to tap (I'd say 9/16" or 5/8"). Right now I'm
> >>>>running with five bolts rather than six.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>_______________________________________________ ____________
> >>>tw
> >>>03 TJ Rubicon
> >>>01 XJ Sport

 

T. Greening did pass the time by typing:
> If you're going to drill anyway, and want something that doesn't look
> jury-rigged, how about this. Find yourself a nice thick washer and weld the
> appropriate nut to it. Drill out the old bolt hole just large enough to
> fit the nut through. Insert nut and weld the washer to the frame. No funky
> bolt through methods with their frame crushing potentials and you would
> barely notice the repair.

Nut with arms. No, seriously. You cut a small slot and insert a nut that
has been welded to a bar. The bar turns and is held by the sides of the
framerail. The arms then ------ the load so it doesn't pull through

_________________________
| / _ \ |
| | / \ | |
| | \_/ | |
|_________\___/___________|

_____
________|_____|__________
|_________________________|

--
DougW

 

T. Greening did pass the time by typing:
> If you're going to drill anyway, and want something that doesn't look
> jury-rigged, how about this. Find yourself a nice thick washer and weld the
> appropriate nut to it. Drill out the old bolt hole just large enough to
> fit the nut through. Insert nut and weld the washer to the frame. No funky
> bolt through methods with their frame crushing potentials and you would
> barely notice the repair.

Nut with arms. No, seriously. You cut a small slot and insert a nut that
has been welded to a bar. The bar turns and is held by the sides of the
framerail. The arms then ------ the load so it doesn't pull through

_________________________
| / _ \ |
| | / \ | |
| | \_/ | |
|_________\___/___________|

_____
________|_____|__________
|_________________________|

--
DougW

 

T. Greening did pass the time by typing:
> If you're going to drill anyway, and want something that doesn't look
> jury-rigged, how about this. Find yourself a nice thick washer and weld the
> appropriate nut to it. Drill out the old bolt hole just large enough to
> fit the nut through. Insert nut and weld the washer to the frame. No funky
> bolt through methods with their frame crushing potentials and you would
> barely notice the repair.

Nut with arms. No, seriously. You cut a small slot and insert a nut that
has been welded to a bar. The bar turns and is held by the sides of the
framerail. The arms then ------ the load so it doesn't pull through

_________________________
| / _ \ |
| | / \ | |
| | \_/ | |
|_________\___/___________|

_____
________|_____|__________
|_________________________|

--
DougW

 

A nut with arms, huh? I'm sure I've met him on the usenet.

BTW, nice diagram!

DougW wrote:

> T. Greening did pass the time by typing:
>
>>If you're going to drill anyway, and want something that doesn't look
>>jury-rigged, how about this. Find yourself a nice thick washer and weld the
>>appropriate nut to it. Drill out the old bolt hole just large enough to
>>fit the nut through. Insert nut and weld the washer to the frame. No funky
>>bolt through methods with their frame crushing potentials and you would
>>barely notice the repair.
>
>
> Nut with arms. No, seriously. You cut a small slot and insert a nut that
> has been welded to a bar. The bar turns and is held by the sides of the
> framerail. The arms then ------ the load so it doesn't pull through
>
> _________________________
> | / _ \ |
> | | / \ | |
> | | \_/ | |
> |_________\___/___________|
>
> _____
> ________|_____|__________
> |_________________________|
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

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to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)

"I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
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