Service: Jeep dealer vs. local mechanic
03-27-2006, 06:05 AM
#1
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Service: Jeep dealer vs. local mechanic
I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the check
engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question is...should
I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy will
screw it up...
I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep owners do.
engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question is...should
I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy will
screw it up...
I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep owners do.
03-27-2006, 07:29 AM
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Re: Service: Jeep dealer vs. local mechanic
"Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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:I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the check
: engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
is...should
: I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
: I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
will
: screw it up...
: I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep owners
do.
:
Have you checked the thing out yourself?
It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
reset the computin machine.
If after that you still get the CEL
THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or another,
what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
Best of luck.
Kate
03-27-2006, 07:29 AM
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Re: Service: Jeep dealer vs. local mechanic
"Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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:I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the check
: engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
is...should
: I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
: I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
will
: screw it up...
: I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep owners
do.
:
Have you checked the thing out yourself?
It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
reset the computin machine.
If after that you still get the CEL
THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or another,
what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
Best of luck.
Kate
03-27-2006, 07:29 AM
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Re: Service: Jeep dealer vs. local mechanic
"Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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:I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the check
: engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
is...should
: I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
: I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
will
: screw it up...
: I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep owners
do.
:
Have you checked the thing out yourself?
It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
reset the computin machine.
If after that you still get the CEL
THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or another,
what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
Best of luck.
Kate
03-28-2006, 05:33 AM
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Re: Service: Jeep dealer vs. local mechanic
Hi
How do you reset the computer?
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
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>
> "Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:dGPVf.43637$nB6.26939@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> :I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the
> check
> : engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
> is...should
> : I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
> : I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
> will
> : screw it up...
> : I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep owners
> do.
> :
>
> Have you checked the thing out yourself?
> It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
>
> Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
> reset the computin machine.
> If after that you still get the CEL
> THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
>
> I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
> Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
>
> Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
> financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
> knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
> I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or another,
> what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
>
> Best of luck.
>
>
> Kate
>
>
How do you reset the computer?
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:dRQVf.26$k8.21@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:dGPVf.43637$nB6.26939@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> :I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the
> check
> : engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
> is...should
> : I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
> : I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
> will
> : screw it up...
> : I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep owners
> do.
> :
>
> Have you checked the thing out yourself?
> It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
>
> Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
> reset the computin machine.
> If after that you still get the CEL
> THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
>
> I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
> Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
>
> Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
> financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
> knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
> I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or another,
> what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
>
> Best of luck.
>
>
> Kate
>
>
03-28-2006, 05:33 AM
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Re: Service: Jeep dealer vs. local mechanic
Hi
How do you reset the computer?
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:dRQVf.26$k8.21@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:dGPVf.43637$nB6.26939@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> :I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the
> check
> : engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
> is...should
> : I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
> : I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
> will
> : screw it up...
> : I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep owners
> do.
> :
>
> Have you checked the thing out yourself?
> It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
>
> Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
> reset the computin machine.
> If after that you still get the CEL
> THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
>
> I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
> Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
>
> Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
> financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
> knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
> I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or another,
> what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
>
> Best of luck.
>
>
> Kate
>
>
How do you reset the computer?
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:dRQVf.26$k8.21@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:dGPVf.43637$nB6.26939@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> :I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the
> check
> : engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
> is...should
> : I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
> : I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
> will
> : screw it up...
> : I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep owners
> do.
> :
>
> Have you checked the thing out yourself?
> It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
>
> Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
> reset the computin machine.
> If after that you still get the CEL
> THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
>
> I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
> Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
>
> Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
> financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
> knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
> I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or another,
> what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
>
> Best of luck.
>
>
> Kate
>
>
03-28-2006, 05:33 AM
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Re: Service: Jeep dealer vs. local mechanic
Hi
How do you reset the computer?
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:dRQVf.26$k8.21@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:dGPVf.43637$nB6.26939@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> :I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the
> check
> : engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
> is...should
> : I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
> : I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
> will
> : screw it up...
> : I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep owners
> do.
> :
>
> Have you checked the thing out yourself?
> It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
>
> Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
> reset the computin machine.
> If after that you still get the CEL
> THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
>
> I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
> Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
>
> Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
> financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
> knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
> I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or another,
> what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
>
> Best of luck.
>
>
> Kate
>
>
How do you reset the computer?
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:dRQVf.26$k8.21@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:dGPVf.43637$nB6.26939@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> :I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the
> check
> : engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
> is...should
> : I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
> : I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
> will
> : screw it up...
> : I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep owners
> do.
> :
>
> Have you checked the thing out yourself?
> It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
>
> Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
> reset the computin machine.
> If after that you still get the CEL
> THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
>
> I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
> Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
>
> Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
> financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
> knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
> I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or another,
> what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
>
> Best of luck.
>
>
> Kate
>
>
03-28-2006, 09:17 AM
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Re: Service: Jeep dealer vs. local mechanic
Disconnect the battery for a minute or so.
Earle
"Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> How do you reset the computer?
> "Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
> news:dRQVf.26$k8.21@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:dGPVf.43637$nB6.26939@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> > :I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the
> > check
> > : engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
> > is...should
> > : I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
> > : I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
> > will
> > : screw it up...
> > : I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep
owners
> > do.
> > :
> >
> > Have you checked the thing out yourself?
> > It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
> >
> > Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
> > reset the computin machine.
> > If after that you still get the CEL
> > THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
> >
> > I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
> > Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
> >
> > Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
> > financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
> > knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
> > I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or
another,
> > what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
> >
> > Best of luck.
> >
> >
> > Kate
> >
> >
>
>
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Earle
"Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> How do you reset the computer?
> "Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
> news:dRQVf.26$k8.21@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:dGPVf.43637$nB6.26939@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> > :I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the
> > check
> > : engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
> > is...should
> > : I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
> > : I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
> > will
> > : screw it up...
> > : I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep
owners
> > do.
> > :
> >
> > Have you checked the thing out yourself?
> > It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
> >
> > Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
> > reset the computin machine.
> > If after that you still get the CEL
> > THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
> >
> > I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
> > Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
> >
> > Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
> > financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
> > knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
> > I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or
another,
> > what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
> >
> > Best of luck.
> >
> >
> > Kate
> >
> >
>
>
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03-28-2006, 09:17 AM
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Re: Service: Jeep dealer vs. local mechanic
Disconnect the battery for a minute or so.
Earle
"Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> How do you reset the computer?
> "Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
> news:dRQVf.26$k8.21@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:dGPVf.43637$nB6.26939@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> > :I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the
> > check
> > : engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
> > is...should
> > : I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
> > : I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
> > will
> > : screw it up...
> > : I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep
owners
> > do.
> > :
> >
> > Have you checked the thing out yourself?
> > It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
> >
> > Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
> > reset the computin machine.
> > If after that you still get the CEL
> > THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
> >
> > I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
> > Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
> >
> > Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
> > financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
> > knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
> > I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or
another,
> > what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
> >
> > Best of luck.
> >
> >
> > Kate
> >
> >
>
>
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Earle
"Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> How do you reset the computer?
> "Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
> news:dRQVf.26$k8.21@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:dGPVf.43637$nB6.26939@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> > :I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the
> > check
> > : engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
> > is...should
> > : I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
> > : I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
> > will
> > : screw it up...
> > : I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep
owners
> > do.
> > :
> >
> > Have you checked the thing out yourself?
> > It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
> >
> > Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
> > reset the computin machine.
> > If after that you still get the CEL
> > THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
> >
> > I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
> > Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
> >
> > Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
> > financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
> > knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
> > I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or
another,
> > what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
> >
> > Best of luck.
> >
> >
> > Kate
> >
> >
>
>
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03-28-2006, 09:17 AM
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Re: Service: Jeep dealer vs. local mechanic
Disconnect the battery for a minute or so.
Earle
"Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> How do you reset the computer?
> "Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
> news:dRQVf.26$k8.21@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:dGPVf.43637$nB6.26939@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> > :I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the
> > check
> > : engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
> > is...should
> > : I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
> > : I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
> > will
> > : screw it up...
> > : I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep
owners
> > do.
> > :
> >
> > Have you checked the thing out yourself?
> > It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
> >
> > Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
> > reset the computin machine.
> > If after that you still get the CEL
> > THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
> >
> > I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
> > Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
> >
> > Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
> > financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
> > knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
> > I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or
another,
> > what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
> >
> > Best of luck.
> >
> >
> > Kate
> >
> >
>
>
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Earle
"Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> How do you reset the computer?
> "Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
> news:dRQVf.26$k8.21@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Firebird" <erodman@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:dGPVf.43637$nB6.26939@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> > :I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Laredo, I am getting code P0301 with the
> > check
> > : engine light. That means misfire in cylinder #1. So the question
> > is...should
> > : I take it to my Jeep dealer or the local mechanic.
> > : I am always leary of the dealer (high prices) and afraid the local guy
> > will
> > : screw it up...
> > : I am leaning to the dealer....just curious what most of you Jeep
owners
> > do.
> > :
> >
> > Have you checked the thing out yourself?
> > It may be just a fouled plug or maybe a bad wire or connection....
> >
> > Pull it apart and have a look yourself if you find something fix it then
> > reset the computin machine.
> > If after that you still get the CEL
> > THEN if you have to - go to a shop.
> >
> > I say call both of them, get their shop rates and ask for an estimate.
> > Ask if they have an idea what might be wrong.
> >
> > Personally, I almost always go to a dealership. Maybe not the most
> > financially prudent but I know that they will stand a better chance of
> > knowing what to look for because they do Jeeps all day long.
> > I find that shops in general will give you problems in one way or
another,
> > what one doesn't forget the other screws up or over charges for.
> >
> > Best of luck.
> >
> >
> > Kate
> >
> >
>
>
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