Re: Seeking Wrangler Advice
 

"Candice Fisher" <cpfisher@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3GGdnSb8Udhwih-iXTWJiw@comcast.com...
> If you have to worry about parking lot dings, then get
> a Volvo.

i hear ya! now i dont want some inconsiderate ------- slamming into my
jeep, but im damn sure not going to sacrifice ground clearance because im
worried about it. hell, i dont even wash mine anymore unless its one of
these. http://7slotgrille.com/jeeptionary/carwash.html :-)

if you _are_ worried about "dings" though, heres a trick i used to use when
i had my mustang. look for the most tricked out pimp car in the parking lot
and park as close to it as you can get without impeeding upon him. believe
me, "g" doesnt want to hit you with his door anymore than you want him to
and he'll be just as careful as you would be.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

Re: Seeking Wrangler Advice
 

"Candice Fisher" <cpfisher@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3GGdnSb8Udhwih-iXTWJiw@comcast.com...
> If you have to worry about parking lot dings, then get
> a Volvo.

i hear ya! now i dont want some inconsiderate ------- slamming into my
jeep, but im damn sure not going to sacrifice ground clearance because im
worried about it. hell, i dont even wash mine anymore unless its one of
these. http://7slotgrille.com/jeeptionary/carwash.html :-)

if you _are_ worried about "dings" though, heres a trick i used to use when
i had my mustang. look for the most tricked out pimp car in the parking lot
and park as close to it as you can get without impeeding upon him. believe
me, "g" doesnt want to hit you with his door anymore than you want him to
and he'll be just as careful as you would be.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

Re: Seeking Wrangler Advice
 

Smegma Breath wrote:

>I am interested in purchasing a 'pre-owned' Jeep Wrangler TJ. Currently, my
>only significant requirement is that I believe I want a six cylinder versus
>a four cylinder. I am looking to use the vehicle as a second vehicle and do
>to some casual off-roading with it.
>
Here's my standard answer to the 4cyl vs the 6 cyl question.:

If you do any kind of hwy driving you definitely want the 6 cyl! The 4
is severely underpowered for hwy driving and if you want to pass anyone,
take a lunch! On the plus side, when off-roading, the 4 banger is as
good as any other motor!

Don’t even think about boosting the horsepower with things like K&N
filters, computer chips, throttle body spacers, headers, exhaust,
electric fans, ancient tribal dances, chinese incantations etc. By the
time you pay for all that, you might as well drop in a bigger motor, or
buy a jp with the 6 cyl in the first place.

The 4cyl has some other issues as well (this is all from 6 yrs
experience). Some of these may or may not be an issue with you, but they
warrant mentioning.
The only tranny to get is the 5spd (don't bother with the auto). No
problem right! Except if you want to pull any kind of trailer, it's too
weak to handle 5th gear when the trailer is loaded up. You end up in 4th
turning 3000 rpm at 100kph. Really bad gas mileage!

Lack of aftermarket parts for the motor. The aftermarket mfgs cater more
to the 4.0L guys.

You would think that the 4cyl would get better gas mileage (such that it
is with a Jeep), but after talking to 6cyl owners, the difference isn't
worth mentioning.

If you plan on putting bigger tires on the jeep, the 4cyl lack of power
will be exagerrated! We went from the stock 27 inch Goodyears to 30 inch
BFG ATs and there was a definite drop in hwy performance when you hit
ANY kind of incline!

Having said all that, the 4 banger is a good motor. The gearing is
around 4.10:1 and believe me that is plenty good enough for around town
and on the trails. I’ve test driven a brand new Sport and although they
do have a lot more horsepower, because they’re geared at around 3.73:1
(or higher, depending on package) you don’t really feel a difference.
You will however notice it when passing or pulling!

As far as maintenance is concerned; don't worry about it. Our TJ has
190,000 km on it and it's been really good to us. I've replaced the rad,
replaced the pinion seal in the front diff, and had to replace the
starter. Total cost to date Cdn $1100. That’s 0.006 cents per km (0.007
cents/mile) for maint $ (doesn't include fluid changes and regular
preventative mtce). Take care of it and it'll take care of you!

Get the 6cyl, h/t and get yourself a soft top or bikini top for the summer.

Mike
98 TJ SE

Re: Seeking Wrangler Advice
 

Smegma Breath wrote:

>I am interested in purchasing a 'pre-owned' Jeep Wrangler TJ. Currently, my
>only significant requirement is that I believe I want a six cylinder versus
>a four cylinder. I am looking to use the vehicle as a second vehicle and do
>to some casual off-roading with it.
>
Here's my standard answer to the 4cyl vs the 6 cyl question.:

If you do any kind of hwy driving you definitely want the 6 cyl! The 4
is severely underpowered for hwy driving and if you want to pass anyone,
take a lunch! On the plus side, when off-roading, the 4 banger is as
good as any other motor!

Don’t even think about boosting the horsepower with things like K&N
filters, computer chips, throttle body spacers, headers, exhaust,
electric fans, ancient tribal dances, chinese incantations etc. By the
time you pay for all that, you might as well drop in a bigger motor, or
buy a jp with the 6 cyl in the first place.

The 4cyl has some other issues as well (this is all from 6 yrs
experience). Some of these may or may not be an issue with you, but they
warrant mentioning.
The only tranny to get is the 5spd (don't bother with the auto). No
problem right! Except if you want to pull any kind of trailer, it's too
weak to handle 5th gear when the trailer is loaded up. You end up in 4th
turning 3000 rpm at 100kph. Really bad gas mileage!

Lack of aftermarket parts for the motor. The aftermarket mfgs cater more
to the 4.0L guys.

You would think that the 4cyl would get better gas mileage (such that it
is with a Jeep), but after talking to 6cyl owners, the difference isn't
worth mentioning.

If you plan on putting bigger tires on the jeep, the 4cyl lack of power
will be exagerrated! We went from the stock 27 inch Goodyears to 30 inch
BFG ATs and there was a definite drop in hwy performance when you hit
ANY kind of incline!

Having said all that, the 4 banger is a good motor. The gearing is
around 4.10:1 and believe me that is plenty good enough for around town
and on the trails. I’ve test driven a brand new Sport and although they
do have a lot more horsepower, because they’re geared at around 3.73:1
(or higher, depending on package) you don’t really feel a difference.
You will however notice it when passing or pulling!

As far as maintenance is concerned; don't worry about it. Our TJ has
190,000 km on it and it's been really good to us. I've replaced the rad,
replaced the pinion seal in the front diff, and had to replace the
starter. Total cost to date Cdn $1100. That’s 0.006 cents per km (0.007
cents/mile) for maint $ (doesn't include fluid changes and regular
preventative mtce). Take care of it and it'll take care of you!

Get the 6cyl, h/t and get yourself a soft top or bikini top for the summer.

Mike
98 TJ SE

Re: Seeking Wrangler Advice
 

Smegma Breath wrote:

>I am interested in purchasing a 'pre-owned' Jeep Wrangler TJ. Currently, my
>only significant requirement is that I believe I want a six cylinder versus
>a four cylinder. I am looking to use the vehicle as a second vehicle and do
>to some casual off-roading with it.
>
Here's my standard answer to the 4cyl vs the 6 cyl question.:

If you do any kind of hwy driving you definitely want the 6 cyl! The 4
is severely underpowered for hwy driving and if you want to pass anyone,
take a lunch! On the plus side, when off-roading, the 4 banger is as
good as any other motor!

Don’t even think about boosting the horsepower with things like K&N
filters, computer chips, throttle body spacers, headers, exhaust,
electric fans, ancient tribal dances, chinese incantations etc. By the
time you pay for all that, you might as well drop in a bigger motor, or
buy a jp with the 6 cyl in the first place.

The 4cyl has some other issues as well (this is all from 6 yrs
experience). Some of these may or may not be an issue with you, but they
warrant mentioning.
The only tranny to get is the 5spd (don't bother with the auto). No
problem right! Except if you want to pull any kind of trailer, it's too
weak to handle 5th gear when the trailer is loaded up. You end up in 4th
turning 3000 rpm at 100kph. Really bad gas mileage!

Lack of aftermarket parts for the motor. The aftermarket mfgs cater more
to the 4.0L guys.

You would think that the 4cyl would get better gas mileage (such that it
is with a Jeep), but after talking to 6cyl owners, the difference isn't
worth mentioning.

If you plan on putting bigger tires on the jeep, the 4cyl lack of power
will be exagerrated! We went from the stock 27 inch Goodyears to 30 inch
BFG ATs and there was a definite drop in hwy performance when you hit
ANY kind of incline!

Having said all that, the 4 banger is a good motor. The gearing is
around 4.10:1 and believe me that is plenty good enough for around town
and on the trails. I’ve test driven a brand new Sport and although they
do have a lot more horsepower, because they’re geared at around 3.73:1
(or higher, depending on package) you don’t really feel a difference.
You will however notice it when passing or pulling!

As far as maintenance is concerned; don't worry about it. Our TJ has
190,000 km on it and it's been really good to us. I've replaced the rad,
replaced the pinion seal in the front diff, and had to replace the
starter. Total cost to date Cdn $1100. That’s 0.006 cents per km (0.007
cents/mile) for maint $ (doesn't include fluid changes and regular
preventative mtce). Take care of it and it'll take care of you!

Get the 6cyl, h/t and get yourself a soft top or bikini top for the summer.

Mike
98 TJ SE

Re: Seeking Wrangler Advice
 

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:32:25 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Rich" <rk911@ANTISPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:7504ovoadnlrojrjjup4egnu7hgdbp7jqu@4ax.com.. .
>> they act as a buffer against
>> pings and dings from other car doors in parking lots. most doors that
>> are sung open will strike the running board before they strike your
>> door.
>
><sarcasm>
>yeah....who would want a "ding" on a wrangler? i park my crossways over 2
>spaces like a "g" just to make sure.....
></sarcasm>
>
>you _really_ sacrifice clearance over worrying about a parking lot ding?

yup. don't do any real serious off-roading and i take pride in how my
TJ looks.

rich

Re: Seeking Wrangler Advice
 

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:32:25 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Rich" <rk911@ANTISPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:7504ovoadnlrojrjjup4egnu7hgdbp7jqu@4ax.com.. .
>> they act as a buffer against
>> pings and dings from other car doors in parking lots. most doors that
>> are sung open will strike the running board before they strike your
>> door.
>
><sarcasm>
>yeah....who would want a "ding" on a wrangler? i park my crossways over 2
>spaces like a "g" just to make sure.....
></sarcasm>
>
>you _really_ sacrifice clearance over worrying about a parking lot ding?

yup. don't do any real serious off-roading and i take pride in how my
TJ looks.

rich

Re: Seeking Wrangler Advice
 

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:32:25 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Rich" <rk911@ANTISPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:7504ovoadnlrojrjjup4egnu7hgdbp7jqu@4ax.com.. .
>> they act as a buffer against
>> pings and dings from other car doors in parking lots. most doors that
>> are sung open will strike the running board before they strike your
>> door.
>
><sarcasm>
>yeah....who would want a "ding" on a wrangler? i park my crossways over 2
>spaces like a "g" just to make sure.....
></sarcasm>
>
>you _really_ sacrifice clearance over worrying about a parking lot ding?

yup. don't do any real serious off-roading and i take pride in how my
TJ looks.

rich

Re: Seeking Wrangler Advice
 

On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:32:43 -0400, "Candice Fisher"
<cpfisher@comcast.net> wrote:

>nice use of html tags! that was cute! :)
>
>Good question, though. who would worry about a parking lot ding? it could
>look like the ding from a rock, a tree, flying stone or stick...when you are
>OFF ROADING WITH IT! If you have to worry about parking lot dings, then get
>a Volvo.
>A ding...LOL
>

geeze, i'm sorry i don't measure up to your standards. guess i'm in
for a few sleepless nights. the original poster indicated that the TJ
would be a second vehicle with some casual off-roading (my exact
situation). i guess he doesn't measure up either, eh?

rich
(who loves his TJ both on and off the road, keeps it clean and ding
free)

Re: Seeking Wrangler Advice
 

On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:32:43 -0400, "Candice Fisher"
<cpfisher@comcast.net> wrote:

>nice use of html tags! that was cute! :)
>
>Good question, though. who would worry about a parking lot ding? it could
>look like the ding from a rock, a tree, flying stone or stick...when you are
>OFF ROADING WITH IT! If you have to worry about parking lot dings, then get
>a Volvo.
>A ding...LOL
>

geeze, i'm sorry i don't measure up to your standards. guess i'm in
for a few sleepless nights. the original poster indicated that the TJ
would be a second vehicle with some casual off-roading (my exact
situation). i guess he doesn't measure up either, eh?

rich
(who loves his TJ both on and off the road, keeps it clean and ding
free)