Seeking additional info abour repairs to a Jeep
07-08-2005, 05:18 PM
#71
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Re: Seeking additional info abour repairs to a Jeep
They are. Ours are some kind of average where 91 or 92 is high test, 89
regular.
For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
an emergency as performance may degrade.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron "Premium"
> and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage but
> worked out at the same cost per mile.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank better
> > mileage with it.
> >
> > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the same
> > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> >
> > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is at
> > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with the
> > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and
> my
> > > > engine went insane!
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> wouldn't
> > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > >
> > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> engine
> > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top
> end
> > > > power restored.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
regular.
For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
an emergency as performance may degrade.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron "Premium"
> and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage but
> worked out at the same cost per mile.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank better
> > mileage with it.
> >
> > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the same
> > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> >
> > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is at
> > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with the
> > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and
> my
> > > > engine went insane!
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> wouldn't
> > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > >
> > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> engine
> > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top
> end
> > > > power restored.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
07-08-2005, 05:18 PM
#72
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Posts: n/a
Re: Seeking additional info abour repairs to a Jeep
They are. Ours are some kind of average where 91 or 92 is high test, 89
regular.
For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
an emergency as performance may degrade.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron "Premium"
> and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage but
> worked out at the same cost per mile.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank better
> > mileage with it.
> >
> > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the same
> > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> >
> > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is at
> > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with the
> > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and
> my
> > > > engine went insane!
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> wouldn't
> > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > >
> > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> engine
> > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top
> end
> > > > power restored.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
regular.
For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
an emergency as performance may degrade.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron "Premium"
> and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage but
> worked out at the same cost per mile.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank better
> > mileage with it.
> >
> > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the same
> > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> >
> > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is at
> > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with the
> > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and
> my
> > > > engine went insane!
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> wouldn't
> > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > >
> > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> engine
> > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top
> end
> > > > power restored.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
07-08-2005, 05:18 PM
#73
Guest
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Re: Seeking additional info abour repairs to a Jeep
They are. Ours are some kind of average where 91 or 92 is high test, 89
regular.
For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
an emergency as performance may degrade.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron "Premium"
> and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage but
> worked out at the same cost per mile.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank better
> > mileage with it.
> >
> > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the same
> > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> >
> > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is at
> > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with the
> > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and
> my
> > > > engine went insane!
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> wouldn't
> > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > >
> > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> engine
> > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top
> end
> > > > power restored.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
regular.
For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
an emergency as performance may degrade.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron "Premium"
> and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage but
> worked out at the same cost per mile.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank better
> > mileage with it.
> >
> > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the same
> > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> >
> > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is at
> > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with the
> > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip and
> my
> > > > engine went insane!
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not' run
> > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a couple
> > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> wouldn't
> > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > >
> > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip home
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> engine
> > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and top
> end
> > > > power restored.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
07-08-2005, 06:46 PM
#74
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Seeking additional info abour repairs to a Jeep
Here in the states (NJ anyway) we get the averaged 87 for reg, 89 middle
grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
it just an older Jeep thing?
Tomes
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42CEED8B.B4C4BB65@sympatico.ca...
> They are. Ours are some kind of average where 91 or 92 is high test, 89
> regular.
>
> For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
> better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
> see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
>
> Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
> it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
> an emergency as performance may degrade.
>
> Mike
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron
"Premium"
> > and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage
but
> > worked out at the same cost per mile.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank
better
> > > mileage with it.
> > >
> > > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the
same
> > > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is
at
> > > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with
the
> > > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip
and
> > my
> > > > > engine went insane!
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not'
run
> > > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a
couple
> > > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> > wouldn't
> > > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > > >
> > > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip
home
> > > > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> > engine
> > > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and
top
> > end
> > > > > power restored.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
it just an older Jeep thing?
Tomes
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42CEED8B.B4C4BB65@sympatico.ca...
> They are. Ours are some kind of average where 91 or 92 is high test, 89
> regular.
>
> For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
> better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
> see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
>
> Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
> it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
> an emergency as performance may degrade.
>
> Mike
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron
"Premium"
> > and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage
but
> > worked out at the same cost per mile.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank
better
> > > mileage with it.
> > >
> > > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the
same
> > > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is
at
> > > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with
the
> > > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip
and
> > my
> > > > > engine went insane!
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not'
run
> > > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a
couple
> > > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> > wouldn't
> > > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > > >
> > > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip
home
> > > > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> > engine
> > > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and
top
> > end
> > > > > power restored.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
07-08-2005, 06:46 PM
#75
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Seeking additional info abour repairs to a Jeep
Here in the states (NJ anyway) we get the averaged 87 for reg, 89 middle
grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
it just an older Jeep thing?
Tomes
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42CEED8B.B4C4BB65@sympatico.ca...
> They are. Ours are some kind of average where 91 or 92 is high test, 89
> regular.
>
> For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
> better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
> see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
>
> Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
> it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
> an emergency as performance may degrade.
>
> Mike
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron
"Premium"
> > and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage
but
> > worked out at the same cost per mile.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank
better
> > > mileage with it.
> > >
> > > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the
same
> > > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is
at
> > > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with
the
> > > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip
and
> > my
> > > > > engine went insane!
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not'
run
> > > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a
couple
> > > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> > wouldn't
> > > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > > >
> > > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip
home
> > > > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> > engine
> > > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and
top
> > end
> > > > > power restored.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
it just an older Jeep thing?
Tomes
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42CEED8B.B4C4BB65@sympatico.ca...
> They are. Ours are some kind of average where 91 or 92 is high test, 89
> regular.
>
> For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
> better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
> see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
>
> Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
> it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
> an emergency as performance may degrade.
>
> Mike
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron
"Premium"
> > and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage
but
> > worked out at the same cost per mile.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank
better
> > > mileage with it.
> > >
> > > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the
same
> > > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is
at
> > > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with
the
> > > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip
and
> > my
> > > > > engine went insane!
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not'
run
> > > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a
couple
> > > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> > wouldn't
> > > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > > >
> > > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip
home
> > > > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> > engine
> > > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and
top
> > end
> > > > > power restored.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
07-08-2005, 06:46 PM
#76
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Seeking additional info abour repairs to a Jeep
Here in the states (NJ anyway) we get the averaged 87 for reg, 89 middle
grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
it just an older Jeep thing?
Tomes
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42CEED8B.B4C4BB65@sympatico.ca...
> They are. Ours are some kind of average where 91 or 92 is high test, 89
> regular.
>
> For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
> better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
> see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
>
> Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
> it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
> an emergency as performance may degrade.
>
> Mike
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron
"Premium"
> > and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage
but
> > worked out at the same cost per mile.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank
better
> > > mileage with it.
> > >
> > > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the
same
> > > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is
at
> > > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with
the
> > > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip
and
> > my
> > > > > engine went insane!
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not'
run
> > > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a
couple
> > > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> > wouldn't
> > > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > > >
> > > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip
home
> > > > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> > engine
> > > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and
top
> > end
> > > > > power restored.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
it just an older Jeep thing?
Tomes
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42CEED8B.B4C4BB65@sympatico.ca...
> They are. Ours are some kind of average where 91 or 92 is high test, 89
> regular.
>
> For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
> better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
> see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
>
> Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
> it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
> an emergency as performance may degrade.
>
> Mike
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron
"Premium"
> > and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage
but
> > worked out at the same cost per mile.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank
better
> > > mileage with it.
> > >
> > > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the
same
> > > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is
at
> > > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with
the
> > > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip
and
> > my
> > > > > engine went insane!
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not'
run
> > > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a
couple
> > > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> > wouldn't
> > > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > > >
> > > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip
home
> > > > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> > engine
> > > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and
top
> > end
> > > > > power restored.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
07-08-2005, 06:46 PM
#77
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Seeking additional info abour repairs to a Jeep
Here in the states (NJ anyway) we get the averaged 87 for reg, 89 middle
grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
it just an older Jeep thing?
Tomes
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42CEED8B.B4C4BB65@sympatico.ca...
> They are. Ours are some kind of average where 91 or 92 is high test, 89
> regular.
>
> For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
> better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
> see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
>
> Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
> it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
> an emergency as performance may degrade.
>
> Mike
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron
"Premium"
> > and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage
but
> > worked out at the same cost per mile.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank
better
> > > mileage with it.
> > >
> > > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the
same
> > > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is
at
> > > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with
the
> > > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip
and
> > my
> > > > > engine went insane!
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not'
run
> > > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a
couple
> > > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> > wouldn't
> > > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > > >
> > > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip
home
> > > > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> > engine
> > > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and
top
> > end
> > > > > power restored.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
it just an older Jeep thing?
Tomes
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42CEED8B.B4C4BB65@sympatico.ca...
> They are. Ours are some kind of average where 91 or 92 is high test, 89
> regular.
>
> For me the performance boost is large and the cost per mile is a bit
> better depending on how I am driving it. It costs 10% more almost and I
> see more than a 20% mileage boost so....
>
> Alcohol mixes are bad news for my engine and the government is mandating
> it. My owners manual even says not to any kind of alcohol mix except in
> an emergency as performance may degrade.
>
> Mike
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I think your formulation and ours are different - we get 92 ron
"Premium"
> > and 98 ron "Super". I found that the 98 ron Super gave better mileage
but
> > worked out at the same cost per mile.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:42CEE4A7.8E996578@sympatico.ca...
> > > I always burn the high octane, it makes almost 100 miles per tank
better
> > > mileage with it.
> > >
> > > It has to be the additive or maybe the alcohol. My engine runs the
same
> > > shitty on petro canada gas with their super cleaner.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned I might be running lean, so last carb kit, I went
> > > slightly richer on the high speed metering rods and tried the Shell
> > > gas. All that got me was a bog if I tromp it too fast.... At least I
> > > can get at that from the top to set it back.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > Might put a pressure gauge on your fuel line and see what it is
at
> > > > full speed. I'm betting zero as it may now not be able to keep with
the
> > > > more gasoline your engine can burn with higher octane.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just tried a tank of that Shell 91 octane super crap on a trip
and
> > my
> > > > > engine went insane!
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what is in it, but my manually set up 258 would 'not'
run
> > > > > over 65 mph except on a down hill, I even had to gear down on a
couple
> > > > > long uphill runs, which is unheard of for my rig, even 3rd gear
> > wouldn't
> > > > > pass 65 mph! (normally 3rd pulls fast up to at least 75 mph)
> > > > >
> > > > > I also lost about 30% for gas mileage. It made for a long trip
home
> > > > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > > I finally got it low enough and put in Esso gas and magically my
> > engine
> > > > > came back alive with it's normal tire chirp off a fast start and
top
> > end
> > > > > power restored.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
07-08-2005, 07:06 PM
#78
Guest
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Re: Seeking additional info abour repairs to a Jeep
You forgot Ethyl:
http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/courses/geog...Ethyl10-27.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Tomes wrote:
>
> Here in the states (NJ anyway) we get the averaged 87 for reg, 89 middle
> grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
> the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
> it just an older Jeep thing?
> Tomes
http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/courses/geog...Ethyl10-27.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Tomes wrote:
>
> Here in the states (NJ anyway) we get the averaged 87 for reg, 89 middle
> grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
> the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
> it just an older Jeep thing?
> Tomes
07-08-2005, 07:06 PM
#79
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Seeking additional info abour repairs to a Jeep
You forgot Ethyl:
http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/courses/geog...Ethyl10-27.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Tomes wrote:
>
> Here in the states (NJ anyway) we get the averaged 87 for reg, 89 middle
> grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
> the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
> it just an older Jeep thing?
> Tomes
http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/courses/geog...Ethyl10-27.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Tomes wrote:
>
> Here in the states (NJ anyway) we get the averaged 87 for reg, 89 middle
> grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
> the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
> it just an older Jeep thing?
> Tomes
07-08-2005, 07:06 PM
#80
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Seeking additional info abour repairs to a Jeep
You forgot Ethyl:
http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/courses/geog...Ethyl10-27.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Tomes wrote:
>
> Here in the states (NJ anyway) we get the averaged 87 for reg, 89 middle
> grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
> the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
> it just an older Jeep thing?
> Tomes
http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/courses/geog...Ethyl10-27.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Tomes wrote:
>
> Here in the states (NJ anyway) we get the averaged 87 for reg, 89 middle
> grade and 92 or 93 (depending on brand) for premium or super [2 words for
> the same level]. Would I see better mileage in my 2002 TJ with a 4.0 or is
> it just an older Jeep thing?
> Tomes