Earle Horton

In my experience you will be much better off with a specialized body work
supply store than with a generic auto supply store. These tend to have a
greater variety of materials and also people who know what they are really
intended for. Otherwise try talking to someone who works at a body shop or
restoration business, and ask where they get their stuff.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FC80D58.873CAB9@sympatico.ca...
> Vulcanizing is a hardening process for the silicone rubber.
>
> The old style stuff had to be heated big time to vulcanize. Like the
> old tire patches, they came with a metal cup filled with a flammable
> charcoal type stuff and you clamped it onto the tire with a big C-clamp,
> then lit it on fire. Come back 10 minutes later and the patch was done.
>
> Most auto stores that sell bodywork materials will have seam sealer.
>
> Mike
>
> ABanks5@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> >
> > What does room temp have to do with the stuff? Works well under great
heat.
> >
> > Also, where can you pick up that seam sealer...any hardware store??
> > Thanks!
> > Allen
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3FC7CBE4.7DB225CC@sympatico.ca...
> > > Fiberglass or 'seam sealer' putty like they use at the factory.
> > >
> > > RTV is 'room temperature vulcanization' silicone.
> > >
> > > It is not good for sealing body parts. It will hold humidity under it
> > > and cause the metal to rot fast.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > ABanks5@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My 83 has a YJ tub that was pulled from a salvage yard. It got hit
and
> > > > separated some of the seams. What is the best material to seal that
> > stuff
> > > > up...the damn thing leaks like crazy from road splash. And is RTV
the
> > same
> > > > thing as silicone?
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Allen

Earle Horton

In my experience you will be much better off with a specialized body work
supply store than with a generic auto supply store. These tend to have a
greater variety of materials and also people who know what they are really
intended for. Otherwise try talking to someone who works at a body shop or
restoration business, and ask where they get their stuff.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FC80D58.873CAB9@sympatico.ca...
> Vulcanizing is a hardening process for the silicone rubber.
>
> The old style stuff had to be heated big time to vulcanize. Like the
> old tire patches, they came with a metal cup filled with a flammable
> charcoal type stuff and you clamped it onto the tire with a big C-clamp,
> then lit it on fire. Come back 10 minutes later and the patch was done.
>
> Most auto stores that sell bodywork materials will have seam sealer.
>
> Mike
>
> ABanks5@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> >
> > What does room temp have to do with the stuff? Works well under great
heat.
> >
> > Also, where can you pick up that seam sealer...any hardware store??
> > Thanks!
> > Allen
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3FC7CBE4.7DB225CC@sympatico.ca...
> > > Fiberglass or 'seam sealer' putty like they use at the factory.
> > >
> > > RTV is 'room temperature vulcanization' silicone.
> > >
> > > It is not good for sealing body parts. It will hold humidity under it
> > > and cause the metal to rot fast.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > ABanks5@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My 83 has a YJ tub that was pulled from a salvage yard. It got hit
and
> > > > separated some of the seams. What is the best material to seal that
> > stuff
> > > > up...the damn thing leaks like crazy from road splash. And is RTV
the
> > same
> > > > thing as silicone?
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Allen

Old Crow

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:07:04 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Vulcanizing is a hardening process for the silicone rubber.
>
>The old style stuff had to be heated big time to vulcanize. Like the
>old tire patches, they came with a metal cup filled with a flammable
>charcoal type stuff and you clamped it onto the tire with a big C-clamp,
>then lit it on fire. Come back 10 minutes later and the patch was done.
>
Showin' your age here Mike. They haven't used this process since Bill
was a kid. :-)
I remember when the old timers couldn't get away from the heat
vulcanizing process and used to light the rubber cement on fire to
heat it before applying the patch.
--
Old Crow 24 hours in a day...
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl' 24 beers in a case...
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande Co-incidence? I think not.
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

Old Crow

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:07:04 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Vulcanizing is a hardening process for the silicone rubber.
>
>The old style stuff had to be heated big time to vulcanize. Like the
>old tire patches, they came with a metal cup filled with a flammable
>charcoal type stuff and you clamped it onto the tire with a big C-clamp,
>then lit it on fire. Come back 10 minutes later and the patch was done.
>
Showin' your age here Mike. They haven't used this process since Bill
was a kid. :-)
I remember when the old timers couldn't get away from the heat
vulcanizing process and used to light the rubber cement on fire to
heat it before applying the patch.
--
Old Crow 24 hours in a day...
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl' 24 beers in a case...
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande Co-incidence? I think not.
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

Old Crow

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:07:04 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Vulcanizing is a hardening process for the silicone rubber.
>
>The old style stuff had to be heated big time to vulcanize. Like the
>old tire patches, they came with a metal cup filled with a flammable
>charcoal type stuff and you clamped it onto the tire with a big C-clamp,
>then lit it on fire. Come back 10 minutes later and the patch was done.
>
Showin' your age here Mike. They haven't used this process since Bill
was a kid. :-)
I remember when the old timers couldn't get away from the heat
vulcanizing process and used to light the rubber cement on fire to
heat it before applying the patch.
--
Old Crow 24 hours in a day...
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl' 24 beers in a case...
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande Co-incidence? I think not.
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

Lon Stowell

Approximately 11/30/03 03:38, Old Crow uttered for posterity:
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:07:04 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Vulcanizing is a hardening process for the silicone rubber.
>>
>>The old style stuff had to be heated big time to vulcanize. Like the
>>old tire patches, they came with a metal cup filled with a flammable
>>charcoal type stuff and you clamped it onto the tire with a big C-clamp,
>>then lit it on fire. Come back 10 minutes later and the patch was done.
>>
> Showin' your age here Mike. They haven't used this process since Bill
> was a kid. :-)
> I remember when the old timers couldn't get away from the heat
> vulcanizing process and used to light the rubber cement on fire to
> heat it before applying the patch.

Eggshually if you put the rubber cement on both pieces after
cleaning properly, lighting a match to burn off the excess ether
was a good way to speed up the patch process. Rather than
setting there sniffing fumes while the ether dried out, you
just burned it off, then *carefully* put the patch in place
as it will stick instantly.
As for old timers, this glue/patch process predated the vulcanized
style patch by decades. The advent of superstretchy radial tire
tubes pretty much killed both processes.


--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.

Lon Stowell

Approximately 11/30/03 03:38, Old Crow uttered for posterity:
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:07:04 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Vulcanizing is a hardening process for the silicone rubber.
>>
>>The old style stuff had to be heated big time to vulcanize. Like the
>>old tire patches, they came with a metal cup filled with a flammable
>>charcoal type stuff and you clamped it onto the tire with a big C-clamp,
>>then lit it on fire. Come back 10 minutes later and the patch was done.
>>
> Showin' your age here Mike. They haven't used this process since Bill
> was a kid. :-)
> I remember when the old timers couldn't get away from the heat
> vulcanizing process and used to light the rubber cement on fire to
> heat it before applying the patch.

Eggshually if you put the rubber cement on both pieces after
cleaning properly, lighting a match to burn off the excess ether
was a good way to speed up the patch process. Rather than
setting there sniffing fumes while the ether dried out, you
just burned it off, then *carefully* put the patch in place
as it will stick instantly.
As for old timers, this glue/patch process predated the vulcanized
style patch by decades. The advent of superstretchy radial tire
tubes pretty much killed both processes.


--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.

Lon Stowell

Approximately 11/30/03 03:38, Old Crow uttered for posterity:
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:07:04 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Vulcanizing is a hardening process for the silicone rubber.
>>
>>The old style stuff had to be heated big time to vulcanize. Like the
>>old tire patches, they came with a metal cup filled with a flammable
>>charcoal type stuff and you clamped it onto the tire with a big C-clamp,
>>then lit it on fire. Come back 10 minutes later and the patch was done.
>>
> Showin' your age here Mike. They haven't used this process since Bill
> was a kid. :-)
> I remember when the old timers couldn't get away from the heat
> vulcanizing process and used to light the rubber cement on fire to
> heat it before applying the patch.

Eggshually if you put the rubber cement on both pieces after
cleaning properly, lighting a match to burn off the excess ether
was a good way to speed up the patch process. Rather than
setting there sniffing fumes while the ether dried out, you
just burned it off, then *carefully* put the patch in place
as it will stick instantly.
As for old timers, this glue/patch process predated the vulcanized
style patch by decades. The advent of superstretchy radial tire
tubes pretty much killed both processes.


--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

What do you mean? Vulcanizing is the only way to repair a Real off
road tire: http://www.----------.com/vulcanize.jpg Now if you have a on
road only TJ, with poser tires that will never need to flex the use then
use the pretend "self-vulcanizing" patches for a quick job like we see
at the service stations.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Old Crow wrote:
>
> Showin' your age here Mike. They haven't used this process since Bill
> was a kid. :-)
> I remember when the old timers couldn't get away from the heat
> vulcanizing process and used to light the rubber cement on fire to
> heat it before applying the patch.
> --
> Old Crow 24 hours in a day...
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl' 24 beers in a case...
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande Co-incidence? I think not.
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

What do you mean? Vulcanizing is the only way to repair a Real off
road tire: http://www.----------.com/vulcanize.jpg Now if you have a on
road only TJ, with poser tires that will never need to flex the use then
use the pretend "self-vulcanizing" patches for a quick job like we see
at the service stations.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Old Crow wrote:
>
> Showin' your age here Mike. They haven't used this process since Bill
> was a kid. :-)
> I remember when the old timers couldn't get away from the heat
> vulcanizing process and used to light the rubber cement on fire to
> heat it before applying the patch.
> --
> Old Crow 24 hours in a day...
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl' 24 beers in a case...
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande Co-incidence? I think not.
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51