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Les 10-20-2006 09:57 AM

Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
I have a 92 Wrangler, 4.0L that is running real rich. Plugs go black, black
smoke from exhaust.

I put a new O2 sensor in a month ago, but it is still running rich. I have
gone through and cleaned out the TB, and TPS & AIC sensors, still rich.

What else could cause this?


DougW 10-20-2006 12:03 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Les wrote:
> I have a 92 Wrangler, 4.0L that is running real rich. Plugs go black,
> black smoke from exhaust.
>
> I put a new O2 sensor in a month ago, but it is still running rich. I
> have gone through and cleaned out the TB, and TPS & AIC sensors,
> still rich.
>
> What else could cause this?


Cheap ones first.
- loose or broken vac line to the fuel pressure regulator?
That results in too high a fuel pressure under normal operation.
- Or too low a heat range on the plugs.
If they are running cold they will soot up.

Bad coil/weak spark that's not igniting each charge and letting some of
the fuel through. leaking injectors (but usually that's only on one cyl).
Clogged cat can result in backpressure problems.

Any fault codes?
http://autorepair.about.com/library/...l-dtcs-24a.htm

--
DougW





DougW 10-20-2006 12:03 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Les wrote:
> I have a 92 Wrangler, 4.0L that is running real rich. Plugs go black,
> black smoke from exhaust.
>
> I put a new O2 sensor in a month ago, but it is still running rich. I
> have gone through and cleaned out the TB, and TPS & AIC sensors,
> still rich.
>
> What else could cause this?


Cheap ones first.
- loose or broken vac line to the fuel pressure regulator?
That results in too high a fuel pressure under normal operation.
- Or too low a heat range on the plugs.
If they are running cold they will soot up.

Bad coil/weak spark that's not igniting each charge and letting some of
the fuel through. leaking injectors (but usually that's only on one cyl).
Clogged cat can result in backpressure problems.

Any fault codes?
http://autorepair.about.com/library/...l-dtcs-24a.htm

--
DougW





DougW 10-20-2006 12:03 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Les wrote:
> I have a 92 Wrangler, 4.0L that is running real rich. Plugs go black,
> black smoke from exhaust.
>
> I put a new O2 sensor in a month ago, but it is still running rich. I
> have gone through and cleaned out the TB, and TPS & AIC sensors,
> still rich.
>
> What else could cause this?


Cheap ones first.
- loose or broken vac line to the fuel pressure regulator?
That results in too high a fuel pressure under normal operation.
- Or too low a heat range on the plugs.
If they are running cold they will soot up.

Bad coil/weak spark that's not igniting each charge and letting some of
the fuel through. leaking injectors (but usually that's only on one cyl).
Clogged cat can result in backpressure problems.

Any fault codes?
http://autorepair.about.com/library/...l-dtcs-24a.htm

--
DougW





Spdloader 10-20-2006 12:12 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Intake air temp sensor.

Spdloader



"Les" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:C15E3FE0.B334%nospam@nospam.com...
>I have a 92 Wrangler, 4.0L that is running real rich. Plugs go black, black
> smoke from exhaust.
>
> I put a new O2 sensor in a month ago, but it is still running rich. I have
> gone through and cleaned out the TB, and TPS & AIC sensors, still rich.
>
> What else could cause this?
>




Spdloader 10-20-2006 12:12 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Intake air temp sensor.

Spdloader



"Les" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:C15E3FE0.B334%nospam@nospam.com...
>I have a 92 Wrangler, 4.0L that is running real rich. Plugs go black, black
> smoke from exhaust.
>
> I put a new O2 sensor in a month ago, but it is still running rich. I have
> gone through and cleaned out the TB, and TPS & AIC sensors, still rich.
>
> What else could cause this?
>




Spdloader 10-20-2006 12:12 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Intake air temp sensor.

Spdloader



"Les" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:C15E3FE0.B334%nospam@nospam.com...
>I have a 92 Wrangler, 4.0L that is running real rich. Plugs go black, black
> smoke from exhaust.
>
> I put a new O2 sensor in a month ago, but it is still running rich. I have
> gone through and cleaned out the TB, and TPS & AIC sensors, still rich.
>
> What else could cause this?
>




Mike Romain 10-20-2006 12:49 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
A dirty air filter?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Les wrote:
>
> I have a 92 Wrangler, 4.0L that is running real rich. Plugs go black, black
> smoke from exhaust.
>
> I put a new O2 sensor in a month ago, but it is still running rich. I have
> gone through and cleaned out the TB, and TPS & AIC sensors, still rich.
>
> What else could cause this?


Mike Romain 10-20-2006 12:49 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
A dirty air filter?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Les wrote:
>
> I have a 92 Wrangler, 4.0L that is running real rich. Plugs go black, black
> smoke from exhaust.
>
> I put a new O2 sensor in a month ago, but it is still running rich. I have
> gone through and cleaned out the TB, and TPS & AIC sensors, still rich.
>
> What else could cause this?


Mike Romain 10-20-2006 12:49 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
A dirty air filter?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Les wrote:
>
> I have a 92 Wrangler, 4.0L that is running real rich. Plugs go black, black
> smoke from exhaust.
>
> I put a new O2 sensor in a month ago, but it is still running rich. I have
> gone through and cleaned out the TB, and TPS & AIC sensors, still rich.
>
> What else could cause this?


Les 10-20-2006 02:40 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 


> A dirty air filter?
>

Nope it's new
>
> Cheap ones first.
> - loose or broken vac line to the fuel pressure regulator?
> That results in too high a fuel pressure under normal operation.
> - Or too low a heat range on the plugs.
> If they are running cold they will soot up.
>
> Bad coil/weak spark that's not igniting each charge and letting some of
> the fuel through. leaking injectors (but usually that's only on one cyl).
> Clogged cat can result in backpressure problems.


Previous Owner cut a hole in the cat and clean out the guts. It does leak a
little, and I need to replace or bypass with a straight pipe
>
> Any fault codes?
> http://autorepair.about.com/library/...l-dtcs-24a.htm


No Codes


> Intake air temp sensor.
>
> Spdloader


Can these be tested with a meter?



Les 10-20-2006 02:40 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 


> A dirty air filter?
>

Nope it's new
>
> Cheap ones first.
> - loose or broken vac line to the fuel pressure regulator?
> That results in too high a fuel pressure under normal operation.
> - Or too low a heat range on the plugs.
> If they are running cold they will soot up.
>
> Bad coil/weak spark that's not igniting each charge and letting some of
> the fuel through. leaking injectors (but usually that's only on one cyl).
> Clogged cat can result in backpressure problems.


Previous Owner cut a hole in the cat and clean out the guts. It does leak a
little, and I need to replace or bypass with a straight pipe
>
> Any fault codes?
> http://autorepair.about.com/library/...l-dtcs-24a.htm


No Codes


> Intake air temp sensor.
>
> Spdloader


Can these be tested with a meter?



Les 10-20-2006 02:40 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 


> A dirty air filter?
>

Nope it's new
>
> Cheap ones first.
> - loose or broken vac line to the fuel pressure regulator?
> That results in too high a fuel pressure under normal operation.
> - Or too low a heat range on the plugs.
> If they are running cold they will soot up.
>
> Bad coil/weak spark that's not igniting each charge and letting some of
> the fuel through. leaking injectors (but usually that's only on one cyl).
> Clogged cat can result in backpressure problems.


Previous Owner cut a hole in the cat and clean out the guts. It does leak a
little, and I need to replace or bypass with a straight pipe
>
> Any fault codes?
> http://autorepair.about.com/library/...l-dtcs-24a.htm


No Codes


> Intake air temp sensor.
>
> Spdloader


Can these be tested with a meter?



DougW 10-20-2006 03:30 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Les wrote:

>> Intake air temp sensor.


> Can these be tested with a meter?


Yes. they are just temperature sensitive
resistors. (both mat and engine temp)
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html

--
DougW



DougW 10-20-2006 03:30 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Les wrote:

>> Intake air temp sensor.


> Can these be tested with a meter?


Yes. they are just temperature sensitive
resistors. (both mat and engine temp)
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html

--
DougW



DougW 10-20-2006 03:30 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Les wrote:

>> Intake air temp sensor.


> Can these be tested with a meter?


Yes. they are just temperature sensitive
resistors. (both mat and engine temp)
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html

--
DougW



Spdloader 10-20-2006 04:42 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 

"Les" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:C15E8262.B392%nospam@nospam.com...
>
>
>> A dirty air filter?
>>

> Nope it's new
>>
>> Cheap ones first.
>> - loose or broken vac line to the fuel pressure regulator?
>> That results in too high a fuel pressure under normal operation.
>> - Or too low a heat range on the plugs.
>> If they are running cold they will soot up.
>>
>> Bad coil/weak spark that's not igniting each charge and letting some of
>> the fuel through. leaking injectors (but usually that's only on one
>> cyl).
>> Clogged cat can result in backpressure problems.

>
> Previous Owner cut a hole in the cat and clean out the guts. It does leak
> a
> little, and I need to replace or bypass with a straight pipe
>>
>> Any fault codes?
>> http://autorepair.about.com/library/...l-dtcs-24a.htm

>
> No Codes
>
>
>> Intake air temp sensor.
>>
>> Spdloader

>
> Can these be tested with a meter?
>
>


When the sensor goes bad, it reports a cold condition that causes the system
to go "full rich". Doesn't log a code, the computer just stays in cold start
loop. Very common on GM 4.3 engines too.
I don't have the operational parameters for testing with a meter, but
someone here will.

Spdloader





Spdloader 10-20-2006 04:42 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 

"Les" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:C15E8262.B392%nospam@nospam.com...
>
>
>> A dirty air filter?
>>

> Nope it's new
>>
>> Cheap ones first.
>> - loose or broken vac line to the fuel pressure regulator?
>> That results in too high a fuel pressure under normal operation.
>> - Or too low a heat range on the plugs.
>> If they are running cold they will soot up.
>>
>> Bad coil/weak spark that's not igniting each charge and letting some of
>> the fuel through. leaking injectors (but usually that's only on one
>> cyl).
>> Clogged cat can result in backpressure problems.

>
> Previous Owner cut a hole in the cat and clean out the guts. It does leak
> a
> little, and I need to replace or bypass with a straight pipe
>>
>> Any fault codes?
>> http://autorepair.about.com/library/...l-dtcs-24a.htm

>
> No Codes
>
>
>> Intake air temp sensor.
>>
>> Spdloader

>
> Can these be tested with a meter?
>
>


When the sensor goes bad, it reports a cold condition that causes the system
to go "full rich". Doesn't log a code, the computer just stays in cold start
loop. Very common on GM 4.3 engines too.
I don't have the operational parameters for testing with a meter, but
someone here will.

Spdloader





Spdloader 10-20-2006 04:42 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 

"Les" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:C15E8262.B392%nospam@nospam.com...
>
>
>> A dirty air filter?
>>

> Nope it's new
>>
>> Cheap ones first.
>> - loose or broken vac line to the fuel pressure regulator?
>> That results in too high a fuel pressure under normal operation.
>> - Or too low a heat range on the plugs.
>> If they are running cold they will soot up.
>>
>> Bad coil/weak spark that's not igniting each charge and letting some of
>> the fuel through. leaking injectors (but usually that's only on one
>> cyl).
>> Clogged cat can result in backpressure problems.

>
> Previous Owner cut a hole in the cat and clean out the guts. It does leak
> a
> little, and I need to replace or bypass with a straight pipe
>>
>> Any fault codes?
>> http://autorepair.about.com/library/...l-dtcs-24a.htm

>
> No Codes
>
>
>> Intake air temp sensor.
>>
>> Spdloader

>
> Can these be tested with a meter?
>
>


When the sensor goes bad, it reports a cold condition that causes the system
to go "full rich". Doesn't log a code, the computer just stays in cold start
loop. Very common on GM 4.3 engines too.
I don't have the operational parameters for testing with a meter, but
someone here will.

Spdloader





Les 10-20-2006 05:13 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
On 10/20/06 2:30 PM, in article Ts9_g.36203$iA5.20657@dukeread11, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:

> Les wrote:
>
>>> Intake air temp sensor.

>
>> Can these be tested with a meter?

>
> Yes. they are just temperature sensitive
> resistors. (both mat and engine temp)
> http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html



Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...

How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle type)
read from 0 to 1K.

Great Web Site!


Les 10-20-2006 05:13 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
On 10/20/06 2:30 PM, in article Ts9_g.36203$iA5.20657@dukeread11, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:

> Les wrote:
>
>>> Intake air temp sensor.

>
>> Can these be tested with a meter?

>
> Yes. they are just temperature sensitive
> resistors. (both mat and engine temp)
> http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html



Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...

How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle type)
read from 0 to 1K.

Great Web Site!


Les 10-20-2006 05:13 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
On 10/20/06 2:30 PM, in article Ts9_g.36203$iA5.20657@dukeread11, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:

> Les wrote:
>
>>> Intake air temp sensor.

>
>> Can these be tested with a meter?

>
> Yes. they are just temperature sensitive
> resistors. (both mat and engine temp)
> http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html



Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...

How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle type)
read from 0 to 1K.

Great Web Site!


DougW 10-20-2006 05:31 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Les wrote:

> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
>
> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle
> type) read from 0 to 1K.


The table is in ohms, 0-1k is 0-1000. There is probably a scale setting
on your meter. Look for 10k or 100k. Worst off you can get a cheap digital
meter at RadioShack, AutoZone, PepBoys, etc.


> Great Web Site!





DougW 10-20-2006 05:31 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Les wrote:

> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
>
> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle
> type) read from 0 to 1K.


The table is in ohms, 0-1k is 0-1000. There is probably a scale setting
on your meter. Look for 10k or 100k. Worst off you can get a cheap digital
meter at RadioShack, AutoZone, PepBoys, etc.


> Great Web Site!





DougW 10-20-2006 05:31 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Les wrote:

> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
>
> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle
> type) read from 0 to 1K.


The table is in ohms, 0-1k is 0-1000. There is probably a scale setting
on your meter. Look for 10k or 100k. Worst off you can get a cheap digital
meter at RadioShack, AutoZone, PepBoys, etc.


> Great Web Site!





Mike Romain 10-20-2006 05:50 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Les wrote:
>
> On 10/20/06 2:30 PM, in article Ts9_g.36203$iA5.20657@dukeread11, "DougW"
> <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>
> > Les wrote:
> >
> >>> Intake air temp sensor.

> >
> >> Can these be tested with a meter?

> >
> > Yes. they are just temperature sensitive
> > resistors. (both mat and engine temp)
> > http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html

>
> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
>
> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle type)
> read from 0 to 1K.
>
> Great Web Site!


You 'really' don't want the VOM anywhere near the computer sensors. The
load the meter puts on can fry computer circuits. Same for a test
light.

It's time to step up to a digital multimeter....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 10-20-2006 05:50 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Les wrote:
>
> On 10/20/06 2:30 PM, in article Ts9_g.36203$iA5.20657@dukeread11, "DougW"
> <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>
> > Les wrote:
> >
> >>> Intake air temp sensor.

> >
> >> Can these be tested with a meter?

> >
> > Yes. they are just temperature sensitive
> > resistors. (both mat and engine temp)
> > http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html

>
> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
>
> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle type)
> read from 0 to 1K.
>
> Great Web Site!


You 'really' don't want the VOM anywhere near the computer sensors. The
load the meter puts on can fry computer circuits. Same for a test
light.

It's time to step up to a digital multimeter....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 10-20-2006 05:50 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Les wrote:
>
> On 10/20/06 2:30 PM, in article Ts9_g.36203$iA5.20657@dukeread11, "DougW"
> <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>
> > Les wrote:
> >
> >>> Intake air temp sensor.

> >
> >> Can these be tested with a meter?

> >
> > Yes. they are just temperature sensitive
> > resistors. (both mat and engine temp)
> > http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html

>
> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
>
> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle type)
> read from 0 to 1K.
>
> Great Web Site!


You 'really' don't want the VOM anywhere near the computer sensors. The
load the meter puts on can fry computer circuits. Same for a test
light.

It's time to step up to a digital multimeter....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Spdloader 10-20-2006 05:59 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:453944C0.EF726C61@sympatico.ca...
> Les wrote:
>>
>> On 10/20/06 2:30 PM, in article Ts9_g.36203$iA5.20657@dukeread11, "DougW"
>> <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>>
>> > Les wrote:
>> >
>> >>> Intake air temp sensor.
>> >
>> >> Can these be tested with a meter?
>> >
>> > Yes. they are just temperature sensitive
>> > resistors. (both mat and engine temp)
>> > http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html

>>
>> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
>>
>> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle
>> type)
>> read from 0 to 1K.
>>
>> Great Web Site!

>
> You 'really' don't want the VOM anywhere near the computer sensors. The
> load the meter puts on can fry computer circuits. Same for a test
> light.
>
> It's time to step up to a digital multimeter....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


Like a Fluke or it's equal.
Spdloader



Spdloader 10-20-2006 05:59 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:453944C0.EF726C61@sympatico.ca...
> Les wrote:
>>
>> On 10/20/06 2:30 PM, in article Ts9_g.36203$iA5.20657@dukeread11, "DougW"
>> <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>>
>> > Les wrote:
>> >
>> >>> Intake air temp sensor.
>> >
>> >> Can these be tested with a meter?
>> >
>> > Yes. they are just temperature sensitive
>> > resistors. (both mat and engine temp)
>> > http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html

>>
>> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
>>
>> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle
>> type)
>> read from 0 to 1K.
>>
>> Great Web Site!

>
> You 'really' don't want the VOM anywhere near the computer sensors. The
> load the meter puts on can fry computer circuits. Same for a test
> light.
>
> It's time to step up to a digital multimeter....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


Like a Fluke or it's equal.
Spdloader



Spdloader 10-20-2006 05:59 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:453944C0.EF726C61@sympatico.ca...
> Les wrote:
>>
>> On 10/20/06 2:30 PM, in article Ts9_g.36203$iA5.20657@dukeread11, "DougW"
>> <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>>
>> > Les wrote:
>> >
>> >>> Intake air temp sensor.
>> >
>> >> Can these be tested with a meter?
>> >
>> > Yes. they are just temperature sensitive
>> > resistors. (both mat and engine temp)
>> > http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html

>>
>> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
>>
>> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle
>> type)
>> read from 0 to 1K.
>>
>> Great Web Site!

>
> You 'really' don't want the VOM anywhere near the computer sensors. The
> load the meter puts on can fry computer circuits. Same for a test
> light.
>
> It's time to step up to a digital multimeter....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


Like a Fluke or it's equal.
Spdloader



Outatime 10-21-2006 12:45 AM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Spdloader wrote:

> When the sensor goes bad, it reports a cold condition that causes the system
> to go "full rich". Doesn't log a code, the computer just stays in cold start
> loop. Very common on GM 4.3 engines too.
> I don't have the operational parameters for testing with a meter, but
> someone here will.


I agree; the engine's probably stuck in open-loop mode. Older designs
like this often have 2 engine temp sensors: 1 for the guage, 1 for the
computer; if the computer temp sensor stops working for whatever reason,
this will keep it open, as will bad O2 sensors. A really bad IAT will
too. Older computers wouldn't set the MIL either.

I have to wonder, if the cats were tampered with, if the owner also just
pulled/disconnected the O2 sensors as well, which would cause this.


Outatime 10-21-2006 12:45 AM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Spdloader wrote:

> When the sensor goes bad, it reports a cold condition that causes the system
> to go "full rich". Doesn't log a code, the computer just stays in cold start
> loop. Very common on GM 4.3 engines too.
> I don't have the operational parameters for testing with a meter, but
> someone here will.


I agree; the engine's probably stuck in open-loop mode. Older designs
like this often have 2 engine temp sensors: 1 for the guage, 1 for the
computer; if the computer temp sensor stops working for whatever reason,
this will keep it open, as will bad O2 sensors. A really bad IAT will
too. Older computers wouldn't set the MIL either.

I have to wonder, if the cats were tampered with, if the owner also just
pulled/disconnected the O2 sensors as well, which would cause this.


Outatime 10-21-2006 12:45 AM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
Spdloader wrote:

> When the sensor goes bad, it reports a cold condition that causes the system
> to go "full rich". Doesn't log a code, the computer just stays in cold start
> loop. Very common on GM 4.3 engines too.
> I don't have the operational parameters for testing with a meter, but
> someone here will.


I agree; the engine's probably stuck in open-loop mode. Older designs
like this often have 2 engine temp sensors: 1 for the guage, 1 for the
computer; if the computer temp sensor stops working for whatever reason,
this will keep it open, as will bad O2 sensors. A really bad IAT will
too. Older computers wouldn't set the MIL either.

I have to wonder, if the cats were tampered with, if the owner also just
pulled/disconnected the O2 sensors as well, which would cause this.


Rich 10-27-2006 12:43 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
I know I just stepped in on this one and it may have been suggested already,
but I had a leaking exhaust manifold gasket. The air coming in (yes it did
that) makes the O2 sensor think the engine is running lean and tells the
computer to richen (is that a real word?) the mixture. After replacing the
gasket and cleaning the sensor, my jeep ran better and mileage came back up.
Simple fix. Well simple parts, but PITA to do. If you are having a whistling
sound at highway speeds when feathering the gas pedal, that is a sure sign
of it, that being said if it goes on long enough the whistling will go away.
Got the t-shirt.
Rich Harris


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:Peb_g.36208$iA5.27353@dukeread11...
> Les wrote:
>
>> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
>>
>> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle
>> type) read from 0 to 1K.

>
> The table is in ohms, 0-1k is 0-1000. There is probably a scale setting
> on your meter. Look for 10k or 100k. Worst off you can get a cheap
> digital
> meter at RadioShack, AutoZone, PepBoys, etc.
>
>
>> Great Web Site!

>
>
>




Rich 10-27-2006 12:43 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
I know I just stepped in on this one and it may have been suggested already,
but I had a leaking exhaust manifold gasket. The air coming in (yes it did
that) makes the O2 sensor think the engine is running lean and tells the
computer to richen (is that a real word?) the mixture. After replacing the
gasket and cleaning the sensor, my jeep ran better and mileage came back up.
Simple fix. Well simple parts, but PITA to do. If you are having a whistling
sound at highway speeds when feathering the gas pedal, that is a sure sign
of it, that being said if it goes on long enough the whistling will go away.
Got the t-shirt.
Rich Harris


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:Peb_g.36208$iA5.27353@dukeread11...
> Les wrote:
>
>> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
>>
>> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle
>> type) read from 0 to 1K.

>
> The table is in ohms, 0-1k is 0-1000. There is probably a scale setting
> on your meter. Look for 10k or 100k. Worst off you can get a cheap
> digital
> meter at RadioShack, AutoZone, PepBoys, etc.
>
>
>> Great Web Site!

>
>
>




Rich 10-27-2006 12:43 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
I know I just stepped in on this one and it may have been suggested already,
but I had a leaking exhaust manifold gasket. The air coming in (yes it did
that) makes the O2 sensor think the engine is running lean and tells the
computer to richen (is that a real word?) the mixture. After replacing the
gasket and cleaning the sensor, my jeep ran better and mileage came back up.
Simple fix. Well simple parts, but PITA to do. If you are having a whistling
sound at highway speeds when feathering the gas pedal, that is a sure sign
of it, that being said if it goes on long enough the whistling will go away.
Got the t-shirt.
Rich Harris


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:Peb_g.36208$iA5.27353@dukeread11...
> Les wrote:
>
>> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
>>
>> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle
>> type) read from 0 to 1K.

>
> The table is in ohms, 0-1k is 0-1000. There is probably a scale setting
> on your meter. Look for 10k or 100k. Worst off you can get a cheap
> digital
> meter at RadioShack, AutoZone, PepBoys, etc.
>
>
>> Great Web Site!

>
>
>




Earle Horton 10-27-2006 01:33 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
"Enrich."

Earle

"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:SGq0h.23$gf5.22@trndny01...
> I know I just stepped in on this one and it may have been suggested

already,
> but I had a leaking exhaust manifold gasket. The air coming in (yes it did
> that) makes the O2 sensor think the engine is running lean and tells the
> computer to richen (is that a real word?) the mixture. After replacing the
> gasket and cleaning the sensor, my jeep ran better and mileage came back

up.
> Simple fix. Well simple parts, but PITA to do. If you are having a

whistling
> sound at highway speeds when feathering the gas pedal, that is a sure sign
> of it, that being said if it goes on long enough the whistling will go

away.
> Got the t-shirt.
> Rich Harris
>
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:Peb_g.36208$iA5.27353@dukeread11...
> > Les wrote:
> >
> >> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
> >>
> >> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle
> >> type) read from 0 to 1K.

> >
> > The table is in ohms, 0-1k is 0-1000. There is probably a scale setting
> > on your meter. Look for 10k or 100k. Worst off you can get a cheap
> > digital
> > meter at RadioShack, AutoZone, PepBoys, etc.
> >
> >
> >> Great Web Site!

> >
> >
> >

>
>




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Earle Horton 10-27-2006 01:33 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
"Enrich."

Earle

"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:SGq0h.23$gf5.22@trndny01...
> I know I just stepped in on this one and it may have been suggested

already,
> but I had a leaking exhaust manifold gasket. The air coming in (yes it did
> that) makes the O2 sensor think the engine is running lean and tells the
> computer to richen (is that a real word?) the mixture. After replacing the
> gasket and cleaning the sensor, my jeep ran better and mileage came back

up.
> Simple fix. Well simple parts, but PITA to do. If you are having a

whistling
> sound at highway speeds when feathering the gas pedal, that is a sure sign
> of it, that being said if it goes on long enough the whistling will go

away.
> Got the t-shirt.
> Rich Harris
>
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:Peb_g.36208$iA5.27353@dukeread11...
> > Les wrote:
> >
> >> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
> >>
> >> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle
> >> type) read from 0 to 1K.

> >
> > The table is in ohms, 0-1k is 0-1000. There is probably a scale setting
> > on your meter. Look for 10k or 100k. Worst off you can get a cheap
> > digital
> > meter at RadioShack, AutoZone, PepBoys, etc.
> >
> >
> >> Great Web Site!

> >
> >
> >

>
>




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Earle Horton 10-27-2006 01:33 PM

Re: Running Rich - 92-4.0L
 
"Enrich."

Earle

"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:SGq0h.23$gf5.22@trndny01...
> I know I just stepped in on this one and it may have been suggested

already,
> but I had a leaking exhaust manifold gasket. The air coming in (yes it did
> that) makes the O2 sensor think the engine is running lean and tells the
> computer to richen (is that a real word?) the mixture. After replacing the
> gasket and cleaning the sensor, my jeep ran better and mileage came back

up.
> Simple fix. Well simple parts, but PITA to do. If you are having a

whistling
> sound at highway speeds when feathering the gas pedal, that is a sure sign
> of it, that being said if it goes on long enough the whistling will go

away.
> Got the t-shirt.
> Rich Harris
>
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:Peb_g.36208$iA5.27353@dukeread11...
> > Les wrote:
> >
> >> Cool, but its time to talk dummy language...
> >>
> >> How does that table convert to an Ohms reading? My gauge (old needle
> >> type) read from 0 to 1K.

> >
> > The table is in ohms, 0-1k is 0-1000. There is probably a scale setting
> > on your meter. Look for 10k or 100k. Worst off you can get a cheap
> > digital
> > meter at RadioShack, AutoZone, PepBoys, etc.
> >
> >
> >> Great Web Site!

> >
> >
> >

>
>




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