Dave Milne

wow, the dealer here charges 70 quid ( $125 for an oil change).

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g7r6hF56ua8U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The loan rate is a big issue as well. Because of the internet and the
> ability to order from any dealership nationwide you should still be able
to
> get rock bottom prices--if you can haggle. This is what I got: $2000
cash
> back + 2.99 % financing, 2% under invoice and lifetime $10 oil changes (I
> may not use the oil change deal, but it was a nice throw in). Haggle,
> haggle, haggle. The dealer will dislike you for it, but they want to sell
> you YOUR Jeep.
>
> Price and print a quote from www.jeepwarehouse.com That's a great place
to
> start--they have really good prices and a good history (you can always
> threaten to order your Jeep from Bill. Go to your dealer and tell them
that
> you are a member of a credit union and you can get 2.99 % financing (or go
> to your bank first and see what the best deal they can give you is), make
> sure you haggle with a couple other dealerships before you go to finalize
> your deal at the dealership you wish to buy a Jeep from, in fact until you
> get these prices, or a ball park figure near them, walk out. They should
do
> everything they can in order to make you happy.
>
> -Muuurgh
>
> "David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:lict90l37jkcb0tib5f2k9tg9nilsec1fb@4ax.com...
> > Sure, perhaps financing couldn't progress, but financing and price
> > *should* be two different things. That's a typical dealer ploy IMO...
> > they tie financing into the price. I *always* have my financing set
> > before walking into a dealership these days... been bit by that
> > before. If the dealership can get me a better rate on my loan, then so
> > be it, and I go their route. But that shouldn't have anything to do
> > with the actual purchase price of the vehicle. Be careful of these
> > guys IMO.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:24:41 GMT, "Jeffrey Wright"
> > <jkwright@swbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > >According to the dealer, we could make no progress on the finance side
of
> a
> > >deal until we had a VIN number and we wouldn't get that until the thing
> was
> > >basically on the truck to south Texas, so we might as well wait until
it
> got
> > >here . . . Sounded like a canard to me, but they call the shots, more
or
> > >less, don't they.
> > >
> > >They have been treating me well, I'll give them that, never asked me to
> put
> > >a cent down. So am I a VIP or am I off to slaughter tomorrow?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
> > >news:<3n8t905op8fllaftjihjbl3r6hut7f7tif@4ax.com> ...
> > >
> > >> You mean you didnt settle on a price before ordering??
> > >
> >
>
>

Dave Milne

wow, the dealer here charges 70 quid ( $125 for an oil change).

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g7r6hF56ua8U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The loan rate is a big issue as well. Because of the internet and the
> ability to order from any dealership nationwide you should still be able
to
> get rock bottom prices--if you can haggle. This is what I got: $2000
cash
> back + 2.99 % financing, 2% under invoice and lifetime $10 oil changes (I
> may not use the oil change deal, but it was a nice throw in). Haggle,
> haggle, haggle. The dealer will dislike you for it, but they want to sell
> you YOUR Jeep.
>
> Price and print a quote from www.jeepwarehouse.com That's a great place
to
> start--they have really good prices and a good history (you can always
> threaten to order your Jeep from Bill. Go to your dealer and tell them
that
> you are a member of a credit union and you can get 2.99 % financing (or go
> to your bank first and see what the best deal they can give you is), make
> sure you haggle with a couple other dealerships before you go to finalize
> your deal at the dealership you wish to buy a Jeep from, in fact until you
> get these prices, or a ball park figure near them, walk out. They should
do
> everything they can in order to make you happy.
>
> -Muuurgh
>
> "David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:lict90l37jkcb0tib5f2k9tg9nilsec1fb@4ax.com...
> > Sure, perhaps financing couldn't progress, but financing and price
> > *should* be two different things. That's a typical dealer ploy IMO...
> > they tie financing into the price. I *always* have my financing set
> > before walking into a dealership these days... been bit by that
> > before. If the dealership can get me a better rate on my loan, then so
> > be it, and I go their route. But that shouldn't have anything to do
> > with the actual purchase price of the vehicle. Be careful of these
> > guys IMO.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:24:41 GMT, "Jeffrey Wright"
> > <jkwright@swbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > >According to the dealer, we could make no progress on the finance side
of
> a
> > >deal until we had a VIN number and we wouldn't get that until the thing
> was
> > >basically on the truck to south Texas, so we might as well wait until
it
> got
> > >here . . . Sounded like a canard to me, but they call the shots, more
or
> > >less, don't they.
> > >
> > >They have been treating me well, I'll give them that, never asked me to
> put
> > >a cent down. So am I a VIP or am I off to slaughter tomorrow?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
> > >news:<3n8t905op8fllaftjihjbl3r6hut7f7tif@4ax.com> ...
> > >
> > >> You mean you didnt settle on a price before ordering??
> > >
> >
>
>

Dave Milne

wow, the dealer here charges 70 quid ( $125 for an oil change).

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g7r6hF56ua8U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The loan rate is a big issue as well. Because of the internet and the
> ability to order from any dealership nationwide you should still be able
to
> get rock bottom prices--if you can haggle. This is what I got: $2000
cash
> back + 2.99 % financing, 2% under invoice and lifetime $10 oil changes (I
> may not use the oil change deal, but it was a nice throw in). Haggle,
> haggle, haggle. The dealer will dislike you for it, but they want to sell
> you YOUR Jeep.
>
> Price and print a quote from www.jeepwarehouse.com That's a great place
to
> start--they have really good prices and a good history (you can always
> threaten to order your Jeep from Bill. Go to your dealer and tell them
that
> you are a member of a credit union and you can get 2.99 % financing (or go
> to your bank first and see what the best deal they can give you is), make
> sure you haggle with a couple other dealerships before you go to finalize
> your deal at the dealership you wish to buy a Jeep from, in fact until you
> get these prices, or a ball park figure near them, walk out. They should
do
> everything they can in order to make you happy.
>
> -Muuurgh
>
> "David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:lict90l37jkcb0tib5f2k9tg9nilsec1fb@4ax.com...
> > Sure, perhaps financing couldn't progress, but financing and price
> > *should* be two different things. That's a typical dealer ploy IMO...
> > they tie financing into the price. I *always* have my financing set
> > before walking into a dealership these days... been bit by that
> > before. If the dealership can get me a better rate on my loan, then so
> > be it, and I go their route. But that shouldn't have anything to do
> > with the actual purchase price of the vehicle. Be careful of these
> > guys IMO.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:24:41 GMT, "Jeffrey Wright"
> > <jkwright@swbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > >According to the dealer, we could make no progress on the finance side
of
> a
> > >deal until we had a VIN number and we wouldn't get that until the thing
> was
> > >basically on the truck to south Texas, so we might as well wait until
it
> got
> > >here . . . Sounded like a canard to me, but they call the shots, more
or
> > >less, don't they.
> > >
> > >They have been treating me well, I'll give them that, never asked me to
> put
> > >a cent down. So am I a VIP or am I off to slaughter tomorrow?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
> > >news:<3n8t905op8fllaftjihjbl3r6hut7f7tif@4ax.com> ...
> > >
> > >> You mean you didnt settle on a price before ordering??
> > >
> >
>
>

Arvin

I think the industry standard is 10% off invoice.
Here's what I did. I took 10% off invoice then totaled all my extras and
took 10% off those. Then I added their $610 destination charge and I had a
price. Then I e-mailed about 25 of my closest dealers and had them fight
it out over a two week period. They did just meet my price - they beat it.
It's exacly what I wanted.

One day I'll take my CJ off my tag and add the Rubi.
--
2CJs '82 258 CJ-7 O|||||||O
http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg
http://users.mo-net.com/arvin


"Jeffrey Wright" <jkwright@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:x5xnc.7042$zR6.4673@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> I ordered my Rubicon back in February; it has arrived. I'm very anxious.
>
> I go in tomorrow to settle on price. The msrp on mine is 28,600. I am in a
> relatively low volume area (deep south Texas), and I anticipate an
> exhausting haggle session or two.
>
> What is the best you think I can do?
>
>

Arvin

I think the industry standard is 10% off invoice.
Here's what I did. I took 10% off invoice then totaled all my extras and
took 10% off those. Then I added their $610 destination charge and I had a
price. Then I e-mailed about 25 of my closest dealers and had them fight
it out over a two week period. They did just meet my price - they beat it.
It's exacly what I wanted.

One day I'll take my CJ off my tag and add the Rubi.
--
2CJs '82 258 CJ-7 O|||||||O
http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg
http://users.mo-net.com/arvin


"Jeffrey Wright" <jkwright@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:x5xnc.7042$zR6.4673@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> I ordered my Rubicon back in February; it has arrived. I'm very anxious.
>
> I go in tomorrow to settle on price. The msrp on mine is 28,600. I am in a
> relatively low volume area (deep south Texas), and I anticipate an
> exhausting haggle session or two.
>
> What is the best you think I can do?
>
>

Arvin

I think the industry standard is 10% off invoice.
Here's what I did. I took 10% off invoice then totaled all my extras and
took 10% off those. Then I added their $610 destination charge and I had a
price. Then I e-mailed about 25 of my closest dealers and had them fight
it out over a two week period. They did just meet my price - they beat it.
It's exacly what I wanted.

One day I'll take my CJ off my tag and add the Rubi.
--
2CJs '82 258 CJ-7 O|||||||O
http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg
http://users.mo-net.com/arvin


"Jeffrey Wright" <jkwright@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:x5xnc.7042$zR6.4673@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> I ordered my Rubicon back in February; it has arrived. I'm very anxious.
>
> I go in tomorrow to settle on price. The msrp on mine is 28,600. I am in a
> relatively low volume area (deep south Texas), and I anticipate an
> exhausting haggle session or two.
>
> What is the best you think I can do?
>
>

Arvin

I think the industry standard is 10% off invoice.
Here's what I did. I took 10% off invoice then totaled all my extras and
took 10% off those. Then I added their $610 destination charge and I had a
price. Then I e-mailed about 25 of my closest dealers and had them fight
it out over a two week period. They did just meet my price - they beat it.
It's exacly what I wanted.

One day I'll take my CJ off my tag and add the Rubi.
--
2CJs '82 258 CJ-7 O|||||||O
http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg
http://users.mo-net.com/arvin


"Jeffrey Wright" <jkwright@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:x5xnc.7042$zR6.4673@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> I ordered my Rubicon back in February; it has arrived. I'm very anxious.
>
> I go in tomorrow to settle on price. The msrp on mine is 28,600. I am in a
> relatively low volume area (deep south Texas), and I anticipate an
> exhausting haggle session or two.
>
> What is the best you think I can do?
>
>

Muuurgh

All this makes me think I got screwed when I ordered. The dealer said that
it I had to put $500 down in order to order the Jeep. I should have
refused--I hope that I don't have to wait another 6 weeks for it.

-Muuurgh

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:XWCnc.7117$GV5.4260@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> The best thing to do is to negotiate the price before ordering. In fact,
> I've never heard of it being done any other way. When it arrives, you
> negotiate financing, only. You are now at a disadvantage because they
> know you aren't going to be so apt to walk away since you've just waited
> two months for delivery. However, I would suggest to be prepared to
> order another one somewhere else if the deal isn't what you are
> expecting. You should be able to purchase around INVOICE price, slightly
> above or slightly below.
>
> FYI, in the fall of '02, I ordered my Rubicon at $100 over, minus some
> incentives to make it below invoice. When the Jeep arrived at the dealer
> and I went in to take delivery, they tried to add some BS charges like
> prepaid oil changes and some other garbage, on the order of a couple of
> hundred dollars. They told me "all the vehicles sold come with that". I
> said, "fine, bye." About a week later, they called and told me to come
> get the Jeep at the previously negotiated price. It was still sitting
> under the awning and had no additional miles on it. They were hoping I'd
> change my mind, come back and pay the BS charges because I'd been
> waiting 3 mos. for delivery. I was fully prepared to order another one
> from another dealer and was probably just days away from doing just that.
>
>
> Jeffrey Wright wrote:
>
> > I ordered my Rubicon back in February; it has arrived. I'm very anxious.
> >
> > I go in tomorrow to settle on price. The msrp on mine is 28,600. I am in
a
> > relatively low volume area (deep south Texas), and I anticipate an
> > exhausting haggle session or two.
> >
> > What is the best you think I can do?
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Muuurgh

All this makes me think I got screwed when I ordered. The dealer said that
it I had to put $500 down in order to order the Jeep. I should have
refused--I hope that I don't have to wait another 6 weeks for it.

-Muuurgh

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:XWCnc.7117$GV5.4260@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> The best thing to do is to negotiate the price before ordering. In fact,
> I've never heard of it being done any other way. When it arrives, you
> negotiate financing, only. You are now at a disadvantage because they
> know you aren't going to be so apt to walk away since you've just waited
> two months for delivery. However, I would suggest to be prepared to
> order another one somewhere else if the deal isn't what you are
> expecting. You should be able to purchase around INVOICE price, slightly
> above or slightly below.
>
> FYI, in the fall of '02, I ordered my Rubicon at $100 over, minus some
> incentives to make it below invoice. When the Jeep arrived at the dealer
> and I went in to take delivery, they tried to add some BS charges like
> prepaid oil changes and some other garbage, on the order of a couple of
> hundred dollars. They told me "all the vehicles sold come with that". I
> said, "fine, bye." About a week later, they called and told me to come
> get the Jeep at the previously negotiated price. It was still sitting
> under the awning and had no additional miles on it. They were hoping I'd
> change my mind, come back and pay the BS charges because I'd been
> waiting 3 mos. for delivery. I was fully prepared to order another one
> from another dealer and was probably just days away from doing just that.
>
>
> Jeffrey Wright wrote:
>
> > I ordered my Rubicon back in February; it has arrived. I'm very anxious.
> >
> > I go in tomorrow to settle on price. The msrp on mine is 28,600. I am in
a
> > relatively low volume area (deep south Texas), and I anticipate an
> > exhausting haggle session or two.
> >
> > What is the best you think I can do?
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Muuurgh

All this makes me think I got screwed when I ordered. The dealer said that
it I had to put $500 down in order to order the Jeep. I should have
refused--I hope that I don't have to wait another 6 weeks for it.

-Muuurgh

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:XWCnc.7117$GV5.4260@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> The best thing to do is to negotiate the price before ordering. In fact,
> I've never heard of it being done any other way. When it arrives, you
> negotiate financing, only. You are now at a disadvantage because they
> know you aren't going to be so apt to walk away since you've just waited
> two months for delivery. However, I would suggest to be prepared to
> order another one somewhere else if the deal isn't what you are
> expecting. You should be able to purchase around INVOICE price, slightly
> above or slightly below.
>
> FYI, in the fall of '02, I ordered my Rubicon at $100 over, minus some
> incentives to make it below invoice. When the Jeep arrived at the dealer
> and I went in to take delivery, they tried to add some BS charges like
> prepaid oil changes and some other garbage, on the order of a couple of
> hundred dollars. They told me "all the vehicles sold come with that". I
> said, "fine, bye." About a week later, they called and told me to come
> get the Jeep at the previously negotiated price. It was still sitting
> under the awning and had no additional miles on it. They were hoping I'd
> change my mind, come back and pay the BS charges because I'd been
> waiting 3 mos. for delivery. I was fully prepared to order another one
> from another dealer and was probably just days away from doing just that.
>
>
> Jeffrey Wright wrote:
>
> > I ordered my Rubicon back in February; it has arrived. I'm very anxious.
> >
> > I go in tomorrow to settle on price. The msrp on mine is 28,600. I am in
a
> > relatively low volume area (deep south Texas), and I anticipate an
> > exhausting haggle session or two.
> >
> > What is the best you think I can do?
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>