Rubicon Express?
12-06-2004, 10:51 PM
#11
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Re: Rubicon Express?
The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
KH
"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>
> Carl
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>> shocks?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now. Also
>> have
>> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension is
>> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>> sagging
>> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>> > over
>> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>> > the
>> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
> price
>> of
>> > this lift.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> > 94XJ
>> >
>> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
> spacer
>> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>> > > this
>> is
>> > > probably not the best option for me.
>> > >
>> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>> > > springs.
>> How
>> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared to
>> the
>> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
> rear
>> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>> > >
>> > > Experiance with these kits?
>> > >
>> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>> > > lift
>> > ones
>> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
>> > height)
>> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Carl
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
KH
"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>
> Carl
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>> shocks?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now. Also
>> have
>> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension is
>> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>> sagging
>> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>> > over
>> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>> > the
>> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
> price
>> of
>> > this lift.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> > 94XJ
>> >
>> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
> spacer
>> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>> > > this
>> is
>> > > probably not the best option for me.
>> > >
>> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>> > > springs.
>> How
>> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared to
>> the
>> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
> rear
>> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>> > >
>> > > Experiance with these kits?
>> > >
>> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>> > > lift
>> > ones
>> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
>> > height)
>> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Carl
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
12-06-2004, 10:51 PM
#12
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Posts: n/a
Re: Rubicon Express?
The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
KH
"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>
> Carl
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>> shocks?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now. Also
>> have
>> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension is
>> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>> sagging
>> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>> > over
>> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>> > the
>> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
> price
>> of
>> > this lift.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> > 94XJ
>> >
>> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
> spacer
>> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>> > > this
>> is
>> > > probably not the best option for me.
>> > >
>> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>> > > springs.
>> How
>> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared to
>> the
>> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
> rear
>> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>> > >
>> > > Experiance with these kits?
>> > >
>> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>> > > lift
>> > ones
>> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
>> > height)
>> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Carl
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
KH
"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>
> Carl
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>> shocks?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now. Also
>> have
>> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension is
>> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>> sagging
>> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>> > over
>> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>> > the
>> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
> price
>> of
>> > this lift.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> > 94XJ
>> >
>> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
> spacer
>> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>> > > this
>> is
>> > > probably not the best option for me.
>> > >
>> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>> > > springs.
>> How
>> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared to
>> the
>> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
> rear
>> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>> > >
>> > > Experiance with these kits?
>> > >
>> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>> > > lift
>> > ones
>> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
>> > height)
>> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Carl
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
12-06-2004, 10:51 PM
#13
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Posts: n/a
Re: Rubicon Express?
The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
KH
"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>
> Carl
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>> shocks?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now. Also
>> have
>> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension is
>> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>> sagging
>> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>> > over
>> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>> > the
>> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
> price
>> of
>> > this lift.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> > 94XJ
>> >
>> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
> spacer
>> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>> > > this
>> is
>> > > probably not the best option for me.
>> > >
>> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>> > > springs.
>> How
>> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared to
>> the
>> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
> rear
>> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>> > >
>> > > Experiance with these kits?
>> > >
>> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>> > > lift
>> > ones
>> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
>> > height)
>> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Carl
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
KH
"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>
> Carl
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>> shocks?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now. Also
>> have
>> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension is
>> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>> sagging
>> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>> > over
>> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>> > the
>> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
> price
>> of
>> > this lift.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> > 94XJ
>> >
>> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
> spacer
>> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>> > > this
>> is
>> > > probably not the best option for me.
>> > >
>> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>> > > springs.
>> How
>> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared to
>> the
>> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
> rear
>> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>> > >
>> > > Experiance with these kits?
>> > >
>> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>> > > lift
>> > ones
>> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
>> > height)
>> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Carl
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
12-06-2004, 10:59 PM
#14
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Posts: n/a
Re: Rubicon Express?
You didn't need axle shims, t-case drop, track bar or anything else? Just
the kit and the shocks?
Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
Carl
"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
> The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
> ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
> KH
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
> >
> > Carl
> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
> >> shocks?
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
> >> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
Also
> >> have
> >> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
is
> >> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
> >> sagging
> >> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
> >> > over
> >> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
> >> > the
> >> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
> > price
> >> of
> >> > this lift.
> >> >
> >> > Jim
> >> > 94XJ
> >> >
> >> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
> > spacer
> >> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
> >> > > this
> >> is
> >> > > probably not the best option for me.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
> >> > > springs.
> >> How
> >> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
to
> >> the
> >> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
> > rear
> >> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
> >> > >
> >> > > Experiance with these kits?
> >> > >
> >> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
> >> > > lift
> >> > ones
> >> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
> >> > height)
> >> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > >
> >> > > Carl
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
the kit and the shocks?
Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
Carl
"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
> The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
> ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
> KH
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
> >
> > Carl
> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
> >> shocks?
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
> >> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
Also
> >> have
> >> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
is
> >> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
> >> sagging
> >> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
> >> > over
> >> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
> >> > the
> >> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
> > price
> >> of
> >> > this lift.
> >> >
> >> > Jim
> >> > 94XJ
> >> >
> >> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
> > spacer
> >> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
> >> > > this
> >> is
> >> > > probably not the best option for me.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
> >> > > springs.
> >> How
> >> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
to
> >> the
> >> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
> > rear
> >> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
> >> > >
> >> > > Experiance with these kits?
> >> > >
> >> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
> >> > > lift
> >> > ones
> >> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
> >> > height)
> >> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > >
> >> > > Carl
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
12-06-2004, 10:59 PM
#15
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Rubicon Express?
You didn't need axle shims, t-case drop, track bar or anything else? Just
the kit and the shocks?
Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
Carl
"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
> The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
> ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
> KH
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
> >
> > Carl
> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
> >> shocks?
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
> >> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
Also
> >> have
> >> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
is
> >> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
> >> sagging
> >> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
> >> > over
> >> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
> >> > the
> >> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
> > price
> >> of
> >> > this lift.
> >> >
> >> > Jim
> >> > 94XJ
> >> >
> >> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
> > spacer
> >> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
> >> > > this
> >> is
> >> > > probably not the best option for me.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
> >> > > springs.
> >> How
> >> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
to
> >> the
> >> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
> > rear
> >> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
> >> > >
> >> > > Experiance with these kits?
> >> > >
> >> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
> >> > > lift
> >> > ones
> >> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
> >> > height)
> >> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > >
> >> > > Carl
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
the kit and the shocks?
Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
Carl
"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
> The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
> ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
> KH
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
> >
> > Carl
> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
> >> shocks?
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
> >> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
Also
> >> have
> >> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
is
> >> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
> >> sagging
> >> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
> >> > over
> >> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
> >> > the
> >> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
> > price
> >> of
> >> > this lift.
> >> >
> >> > Jim
> >> > 94XJ
> >> >
> >> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
> > spacer
> >> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
> >> > > this
> >> is
> >> > > probably not the best option for me.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
> >> > > springs.
> >> How
> >> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
to
> >> the
> >> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
> > rear
> >> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
> >> > >
> >> > > Experiance with these kits?
> >> > >
> >> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
> >> > > lift
> >> > ones
> >> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
> >> > height)
> >> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > >
> >> > > Carl
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
12-06-2004, 10:59 PM
#16
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Rubicon Express?
You didn't need axle shims, t-case drop, track bar or anything else? Just
the kit and the shocks?
Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
Carl
"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
> The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
> ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
> KH
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
> >
> > Carl
> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
> >> shocks?
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
> >> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
Also
> >> have
> >> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
is
> >> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
> >> sagging
> >> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
> >> > over
> >> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
> >> > the
> >> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
> > price
> >> of
> >> > this lift.
> >> >
> >> > Jim
> >> > 94XJ
> >> >
> >> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
> > spacer
> >> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
> >> > > this
> >> is
> >> > > probably not the best option for me.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
> >> > > springs.
> >> How
> >> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
to
> >> the
> >> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
> > rear
> >> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
> >> > >
> >> > > Experiance with these kits?
> >> > >
> >> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
> >> > > lift
> >> > ones
> >> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
> >> > height)
> >> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > >
> >> > > Carl
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
the kit and the shocks?
Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
Carl
"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
> The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
> ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
> KH
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
> >
> > Carl
> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
> >> shocks?
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
> >> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
Also
> >> have
> >> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
is
> >> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
> >> sagging
> >> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
> >> > over
> >> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
> >> > the
> >> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
> > price
> >> of
> >> > this lift.
> >> >
> >> > Jim
> >> > 94XJ
> >> >
> >> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
> > spacer
> >> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
> >> > > this
> >> is
> >> > > probably not the best option for me.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
> >> > > springs.
> >> How
> >> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
to
> >> the
> >> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
> > rear
> >> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
> >> > >
> >> > > Experiance with these kits?
> >> > >
> >> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
> >> > > lift
> >> > ones
> >> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
> >> > height)
> >> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > >
> >> > > Carl
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
12-07-2004, 12:07 AM
#17
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Rubicon Express?
Hi Carl,
You may not need shims or a tcase drop. I put the 4.5" RE kit on mine.
It has the same rear springs but with longer shackles that had the
effect of tipping the D35 pinion up. In order to get a parallel slope
(minus 1 degree on the pinion to account for spring wrap) on the tcase
output, I dropped the tcase cross member, but it wasn't enough to match
the pinion angle and eliminate the ujoint vibes on the rear shaft. The
solution for me was to shim the pinion *down* a few degrees. I'm
guessing that you won't need to do that.
After you install, measure your angles carefully and listen for vibes at
all speeds. You can assemble your own tcase drop as required with bolts
and washers from the hardware store. Although it reduces your clearance,
a tcase drop is good because it eases relative angles at the ujoints.
When I replaced the D35 with a D44, the pinion was a bit lower so I was
able to remove the shims. Another problem I had with the D35 was that
the stock slip yoke was just barely hanging on the tcase output splines.
This was cured by the longer pinion in the D44. Not sure if this issue
was solely cased by the travel of my longer rear shackles, but you might
want a RE1822 or a YJ yoke to avoid it.
Another component lacking in the RE kit is rear bump stop extensions.
Daystar makes them.
Two differences between 'SuperRide' and 'SuperFlex'. SuperFlex comes
with RE swaybar disconnects while 'SuperRide' has fixed links. I
recommend you replace either ones with JKS Quickers or something
comparable. The other difference is the rebuildable 'SuperFlex' joints
in the lower control arms. These last indefinitely whereas rubber
bushings like those in SuperRide require periodic replacement. Perhaps
more importantly, the flex joints allow greater travel while the rubber
bushings may cause the lower arms to be the limiting factor in
articulation. Not sure though if your stock UCAs or track bar would
limit first.
Overall the quality of the RE components seems very good to me. Shop
around to get a better price than that advertised on the RE site. I
opted for OME shocks and I like them. I was thinking of the 3.5" kit
when I was shopping around, but I settled on the 4.5" kit because I
could fit 33x10.50 tires on my stock rims while deferring the fixed yoke
conversion and new shaft upgrade. So far no regrets.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Carl Saiyed wrote:
> You didn't need axle shims, t-case drop, track bar or anything else? Just
> the kit and the shocks?
>
> Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
>
> Carl
>
> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
> news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
>
>>The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
>>ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
>>KH
>>
>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>
>>>Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>>
>>>>So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>>>>shocks?
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>"Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>>>>
>>>>>I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
>
> Also
>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>>the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
>
> is
>
>>>>>leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>>>>
>>>>sagging
>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>>>>>over
>>>>>again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>>>>>the
>>>>>lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
>>>
>>>price
>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>>this lift.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>94XJ
>>>>>
>>>>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
>>>
>>>spacer
>>>
>>>>>>lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>>>>>>this
>>>>
>>>>is
>>>>
>>>>>>probably not the best option for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>>>>>>springs.
>>>>
>>>>How
>>>>
>>>>>>good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
>
> to
>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>"Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
>>>
>>>rear
>>>
>>>>>>springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Experiance with these kits?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>>>>>>lift
>>>>>
>>>>>ones
>>>>>
>>>>>>or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
>>>>>
>>>>>height)
>>>>>
>>>>>>and put the kit on in a few months?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
You may not need shims or a tcase drop. I put the 4.5" RE kit on mine.
It has the same rear springs but with longer shackles that had the
effect of tipping the D35 pinion up. In order to get a parallel slope
(minus 1 degree on the pinion to account for spring wrap) on the tcase
output, I dropped the tcase cross member, but it wasn't enough to match
the pinion angle and eliminate the ujoint vibes on the rear shaft. The
solution for me was to shim the pinion *down* a few degrees. I'm
guessing that you won't need to do that.
After you install, measure your angles carefully and listen for vibes at
all speeds. You can assemble your own tcase drop as required with bolts
and washers from the hardware store. Although it reduces your clearance,
a tcase drop is good because it eases relative angles at the ujoints.
When I replaced the D35 with a D44, the pinion was a bit lower so I was
able to remove the shims. Another problem I had with the D35 was that
the stock slip yoke was just barely hanging on the tcase output splines.
This was cured by the longer pinion in the D44. Not sure if this issue
was solely cased by the travel of my longer rear shackles, but you might
want a RE1822 or a YJ yoke to avoid it.
Another component lacking in the RE kit is rear bump stop extensions.
Daystar makes them.
Two differences between 'SuperRide' and 'SuperFlex'. SuperFlex comes
with RE swaybar disconnects while 'SuperRide' has fixed links. I
recommend you replace either ones with JKS Quickers or something
comparable. The other difference is the rebuildable 'SuperFlex' joints
in the lower control arms. These last indefinitely whereas rubber
bushings like those in SuperRide require periodic replacement. Perhaps
more importantly, the flex joints allow greater travel while the rubber
bushings may cause the lower arms to be the limiting factor in
articulation. Not sure though if your stock UCAs or track bar would
limit first.
Overall the quality of the RE components seems very good to me. Shop
around to get a better price than that advertised on the RE site. I
opted for OME shocks and I like them. I was thinking of the 3.5" kit
when I was shopping around, but I settled on the 4.5" kit because I
could fit 33x10.50 tires on my stock rims while deferring the fixed yoke
conversion and new shaft upgrade. So far no regrets.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Carl Saiyed wrote:
> You didn't need axle shims, t-case drop, track bar or anything else? Just
> the kit and the shocks?
>
> Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
>
> Carl
>
> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
> news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
>
>>The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
>>ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
>>KH
>>
>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>
>>>Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>>
>>>>So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>>>>shocks?
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>"Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>>>>
>>>>>I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
>
> Also
>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>>the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
>
> is
>
>>>>>leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>>>>
>>>>sagging
>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>>>>>over
>>>>>again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>>>>>the
>>>>>lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
>>>
>>>price
>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>>this lift.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>94XJ
>>>>>
>>>>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
>>>
>>>spacer
>>>
>>>>>>lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>>>>>>this
>>>>
>>>>is
>>>>
>>>>>>probably not the best option for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>>>>>>springs.
>>>>
>>>>How
>>>>
>>>>>>good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
>
> to
>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>"Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
>>>
>>>rear
>>>
>>>>>>springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Experiance with these kits?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>>>>>>lift
>>>>>
>>>>>ones
>>>>>
>>>>>>or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
>>>>>
>>>>>height)
>>>>>
>>>>>>and put the kit on in a few months?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
12-07-2004, 12:07 AM
#18
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Rubicon Express?
Hi Carl,
You may not need shims or a tcase drop. I put the 4.5" RE kit on mine.
It has the same rear springs but with longer shackles that had the
effect of tipping the D35 pinion up. In order to get a parallel slope
(minus 1 degree on the pinion to account for spring wrap) on the tcase
output, I dropped the tcase cross member, but it wasn't enough to match
the pinion angle and eliminate the ujoint vibes on the rear shaft. The
solution for me was to shim the pinion *down* a few degrees. I'm
guessing that you won't need to do that.
After you install, measure your angles carefully and listen for vibes at
all speeds. You can assemble your own tcase drop as required with bolts
and washers from the hardware store. Although it reduces your clearance,
a tcase drop is good because it eases relative angles at the ujoints.
When I replaced the D35 with a D44, the pinion was a bit lower so I was
able to remove the shims. Another problem I had with the D35 was that
the stock slip yoke was just barely hanging on the tcase output splines.
This was cured by the longer pinion in the D44. Not sure if this issue
was solely cased by the travel of my longer rear shackles, but you might
want a RE1822 or a YJ yoke to avoid it.
Another component lacking in the RE kit is rear bump stop extensions.
Daystar makes them.
Two differences between 'SuperRide' and 'SuperFlex'. SuperFlex comes
with RE swaybar disconnects while 'SuperRide' has fixed links. I
recommend you replace either ones with JKS Quickers or something
comparable. The other difference is the rebuildable 'SuperFlex' joints
in the lower control arms. These last indefinitely whereas rubber
bushings like those in SuperRide require periodic replacement. Perhaps
more importantly, the flex joints allow greater travel while the rubber
bushings may cause the lower arms to be the limiting factor in
articulation. Not sure though if your stock UCAs or track bar would
limit first.
Overall the quality of the RE components seems very good to me. Shop
around to get a better price than that advertised on the RE site. I
opted for OME shocks and I like them. I was thinking of the 3.5" kit
when I was shopping around, but I settled on the 4.5" kit because I
could fit 33x10.50 tires on my stock rims while deferring the fixed yoke
conversion and new shaft upgrade. So far no regrets.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Carl Saiyed wrote:
> You didn't need axle shims, t-case drop, track bar or anything else? Just
> the kit and the shocks?
>
> Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
>
> Carl
>
> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
> news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
>
>>The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
>>ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
>>KH
>>
>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>
>>>Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>>
>>>>So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>>>>shocks?
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>"Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>>>>
>>>>>I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
>
> Also
>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>>the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
>
> is
>
>>>>>leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>>>>
>>>>sagging
>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>>>>>over
>>>>>again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>>>>>the
>>>>>lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
>>>
>>>price
>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>>this lift.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>94XJ
>>>>>
>>>>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
>>>
>>>spacer
>>>
>>>>>>lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>>>>>>this
>>>>
>>>>is
>>>>
>>>>>>probably not the best option for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>>>>>>springs.
>>>>
>>>>How
>>>>
>>>>>>good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
>
> to
>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>"Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
>>>
>>>rear
>>>
>>>>>>springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Experiance with these kits?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>>>>>>lift
>>>>>
>>>>>ones
>>>>>
>>>>>>or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
>>>>>
>>>>>height)
>>>>>
>>>>>>and put the kit on in a few months?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
You may not need shims or a tcase drop. I put the 4.5" RE kit on mine.
It has the same rear springs but with longer shackles that had the
effect of tipping the D35 pinion up. In order to get a parallel slope
(minus 1 degree on the pinion to account for spring wrap) on the tcase
output, I dropped the tcase cross member, but it wasn't enough to match
the pinion angle and eliminate the ujoint vibes on the rear shaft. The
solution for me was to shim the pinion *down* a few degrees. I'm
guessing that you won't need to do that.
After you install, measure your angles carefully and listen for vibes at
all speeds. You can assemble your own tcase drop as required with bolts
and washers from the hardware store. Although it reduces your clearance,
a tcase drop is good because it eases relative angles at the ujoints.
When I replaced the D35 with a D44, the pinion was a bit lower so I was
able to remove the shims. Another problem I had with the D35 was that
the stock slip yoke was just barely hanging on the tcase output splines.
This was cured by the longer pinion in the D44. Not sure if this issue
was solely cased by the travel of my longer rear shackles, but you might
want a RE1822 or a YJ yoke to avoid it.
Another component lacking in the RE kit is rear bump stop extensions.
Daystar makes them.
Two differences between 'SuperRide' and 'SuperFlex'. SuperFlex comes
with RE swaybar disconnects while 'SuperRide' has fixed links. I
recommend you replace either ones with JKS Quickers or something
comparable. The other difference is the rebuildable 'SuperFlex' joints
in the lower control arms. These last indefinitely whereas rubber
bushings like those in SuperRide require periodic replacement. Perhaps
more importantly, the flex joints allow greater travel while the rubber
bushings may cause the lower arms to be the limiting factor in
articulation. Not sure though if your stock UCAs or track bar would
limit first.
Overall the quality of the RE components seems very good to me. Shop
around to get a better price than that advertised on the RE site. I
opted for OME shocks and I like them. I was thinking of the 3.5" kit
when I was shopping around, but I settled on the 4.5" kit because I
could fit 33x10.50 tires on my stock rims while deferring the fixed yoke
conversion and new shaft upgrade. So far no regrets.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Carl Saiyed wrote:
> You didn't need axle shims, t-case drop, track bar or anything else? Just
> the kit and the shocks?
>
> Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
>
> Carl
>
> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
> news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
>
>>The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
>>ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
>>KH
>>
>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>
>>>Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>>
>>>>So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>>>>shocks?
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>"Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>>>>
>>>>>I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
>
> Also
>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>>the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
>
> is
>
>>>>>leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>>>>
>>>>sagging
>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>>>>>over
>>>>>again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>>>>>the
>>>>>lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
>>>
>>>price
>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>>this lift.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>94XJ
>>>>>
>>>>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
>>>
>>>spacer
>>>
>>>>>>lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>>>>>>this
>>>>
>>>>is
>>>>
>>>>>>probably not the best option for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>>>>>>springs.
>>>>
>>>>How
>>>>
>>>>>>good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
>
> to
>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>"Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
>>>
>>>rear
>>>
>>>>>>springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Experiance with these kits?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>>>>>>lift
>>>>>
>>>>>ones
>>>>>
>>>>>>or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
>>>>>
>>>>>height)
>>>>>
>>>>>>and put the kit on in a few months?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
12-07-2004, 12:07 AM
#19
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Rubicon Express?
Hi Carl,
You may not need shims or a tcase drop. I put the 4.5" RE kit on mine.
It has the same rear springs but with longer shackles that had the
effect of tipping the D35 pinion up. In order to get a parallel slope
(minus 1 degree on the pinion to account for spring wrap) on the tcase
output, I dropped the tcase cross member, but it wasn't enough to match
the pinion angle and eliminate the ujoint vibes on the rear shaft. The
solution for me was to shim the pinion *down* a few degrees. I'm
guessing that you won't need to do that.
After you install, measure your angles carefully and listen for vibes at
all speeds. You can assemble your own tcase drop as required with bolts
and washers from the hardware store. Although it reduces your clearance,
a tcase drop is good because it eases relative angles at the ujoints.
When I replaced the D35 with a D44, the pinion was a bit lower so I was
able to remove the shims. Another problem I had with the D35 was that
the stock slip yoke was just barely hanging on the tcase output splines.
This was cured by the longer pinion in the D44. Not sure if this issue
was solely cased by the travel of my longer rear shackles, but you might
want a RE1822 or a YJ yoke to avoid it.
Another component lacking in the RE kit is rear bump stop extensions.
Daystar makes them.
Two differences between 'SuperRide' and 'SuperFlex'. SuperFlex comes
with RE swaybar disconnects while 'SuperRide' has fixed links. I
recommend you replace either ones with JKS Quickers or something
comparable. The other difference is the rebuildable 'SuperFlex' joints
in the lower control arms. These last indefinitely whereas rubber
bushings like those in SuperRide require periodic replacement. Perhaps
more importantly, the flex joints allow greater travel while the rubber
bushings may cause the lower arms to be the limiting factor in
articulation. Not sure though if your stock UCAs or track bar would
limit first.
Overall the quality of the RE components seems very good to me. Shop
around to get a better price than that advertised on the RE site. I
opted for OME shocks and I like them. I was thinking of the 3.5" kit
when I was shopping around, but I settled on the 4.5" kit because I
could fit 33x10.50 tires on my stock rims while deferring the fixed yoke
conversion and new shaft upgrade. So far no regrets.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Carl Saiyed wrote:
> You didn't need axle shims, t-case drop, track bar or anything else? Just
> the kit and the shocks?
>
> Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
>
> Carl
>
> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
> news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
>
>>The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
>>ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
>>KH
>>
>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>
>>>Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>>
>>>>So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>>>>shocks?
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>"Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>>>>
>>>>>I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
>
> Also
>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>>the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
>
> is
>
>>>>>leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>>>>
>>>>sagging
>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>>>>>over
>>>>>again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>>>>>the
>>>>>lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
>>>
>>>price
>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>>this lift.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>94XJ
>>>>>
>>>>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
>>>
>>>spacer
>>>
>>>>>>lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>>>>>>this
>>>>
>>>>is
>>>>
>>>>>>probably not the best option for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>>>>>>springs.
>>>>
>>>>How
>>>>
>>>>>>good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
>
> to
>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>"Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
>>>
>>>rear
>>>
>>>>>>springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Experiance with these kits?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>>>>>>lift
>>>>>
>>>>>ones
>>>>>
>>>>>>or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
>>>>>
>>>>>height)
>>>>>
>>>>>>and put the kit on in a few months?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
You may not need shims or a tcase drop. I put the 4.5" RE kit on mine.
It has the same rear springs but with longer shackles that had the
effect of tipping the D35 pinion up. In order to get a parallel slope
(minus 1 degree on the pinion to account for spring wrap) on the tcase
output, I dropped the tcase cross member, but it wasn't enough to match
the pinion angle and eliminate the ujoint vibes on the rear shaft. The
solution for me was to shim the pinion *down* a few degrees. I'm
guessing that you won't need to do that.
After you install, measure your angles carefully and listen for vibes at
all speeds. You can assemble your own tcase drop as required with bolts
and washers from the hardware store. Although it reduces your clearance,
a tcase drop is good because it eases relative angles at the ujoints.
When I replaced the D35 with a D44, the pinion was a bit lower so I was
able to remove the shims. Another problem I had with the D35 was that
the stock slip yoke was just barely hanging on the tcase output splines.
This was cured by the longer pinion in the D44. Not sure if this issue
was solely cased by the travel of my longer rear shackles, but you might
want a RE1822 or a YJ yoke to avoid it.
Another component lacking in the RE kit is rear bump stop extensions.
Daystar makes them.
Two differences between 'SuperRide' and 'SuperFlex'. SuperFlex comes
with RE swaybar disconnects while 'SuperRide' has fixed links. I
recommend you replace either ones with JKS Quickers or something
comparable. The other difference is the rebuildable 'SuperFlex' joints
in the lower control arms. These last indefinitely whereas rubber
bushings like those in SuperRide require periodic replacement. Perhaps
more importantly, the flex joints allow greater travel while the rubber
bushings may cause the lower arms to be the limiting factor in
articulation. Not sure though if your stock UCAs or track bar would
limit first.
Overall the quality of the RE components seems very good to me. Shop
around to get a better price than that advertised on the RE site. I
opted for OME shocks and I like them. I was thinking of the 3.5" kit
when I was shopping around, but I settled on the 4.5" kit because I
could fit 33x10.50 tires on my stock rims while deferring the fixed yoke
conversion and new shaft upgrade. So far no regrets.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Carl Saiyed wrote:
> You didn't need axle shims, t-case drop, track bar or anything else? Just
> the kit and the shocks?
>
> Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
>
> Carl
>
> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
> news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
>
>>The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
>>ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
>>KH
>>
>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>
>>>Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>>
>>>>So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>>>>shocks?
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>"Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>>>>
>>>>>I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
>
> Also
>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>>the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
>
> is
>
>>>>>leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>>>>
>>>>sagging
>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>>>>>over
>>>>>again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>>>>>the
>>>>>lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
>>>
>>>price
>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>>this lift.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>94XJ
>>>>>
>>>>>"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
>>>
>>>spacer
>>>
>>>>>>lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>>>>>>this
>>>>
>>>>is
>>>>
>>>>>>probably not the best option for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>>>>>>springs.
>>>>
>>>>How
>>>>
>>>>>>good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
>
> to
>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>"Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
>>>
>>>rear
>>>
>>>>>>springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Experiance with these kits?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>>>>>>lift
>>>>>
>>>>>ones
>>>>>
>>>>>>or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now (stock
>>>>>
>>>>>height)
>>>>>
>>>>>>and put the kit on in a few months?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
12-07-2004, 12:35 AM
#20
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Rubicon Express?
Yes, my 88 just needed the kit and shocks. Also RE lifts go on big and the
3.5 may look more like 4" when first installed. What year is yours carl. If
its very new then it is more likely to have problems that need tweeking.
KH
"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41b52ad2$1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> You didn't need axle shims, t-case drop, track bar or anything else? Just
> the kit and the shocks?
>
> Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
>
> Carl
>
> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
> news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
>> The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
>> ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
>> KH
>>
>> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> > Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>> >
>> > Carl
>> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> >> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>> >> shocks?
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >>
>> >> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>> >> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
> Also
>> >> have
>> >> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
> is
>> >> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>> >> sagging
>> >> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>> >> > over
>> >> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>> >> > the
>> >> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
>> > price
>> >> of
>> >> > this lift.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jim
>> >> > 94XJ
>> >> >
>> >> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> >> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
>> > spacer
>> >> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>> >> > > this
>> >> is
>> >> > > probably not the best option for me.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>> >> > > springs.
>> >> How
>> >> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
> to
>> >> the
>> >> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
>> > rear
>> >> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Experiance with these kits?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>> >> > > lift
>> >> > ones
>> >> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now
>> >> > > (stock
>> >> > height)
>> >> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Carl
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
3.5 may look more like 4" when first installed. What year is yours carl. If
its very new then it is more likely to have problems that need tweeking.
KH
"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41b52ad2$1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> You didn't need axle shims, t-case drop, track bar or anything else? Just
> the kit and the shocks?
>
> Sorry for asking so many times, I just don't want any suprises.
>
> Carl
>
> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
> news:ZM9td.137651$SW3.79811@fed1read01...
>> The RE 3.5 kit was all I needed to start with. It was better than a stock
>> ride. I had bilstein shocks with mine.
>> KH
>>
>> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:41b52653_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> > Also, what else did you need? IE, track bar, T-case drop, ect.
>> >
>> > Carl
>> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:41b5257b_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> >> So you reccomend the 3.5" Lift kit w/rear springs and the Old Man Emu
>> >> shocks?
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >>
>> >> "Jim Kelly" <corndog__@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:Ts9td.153399$5K2.138862@attbi_s03...
>> >> > I have had the RE 6025 suspension on my Jeep for over a year now.
> Also
>> >> have
>> >> > the DT 3000 shocks. The shocks are pretty stiff, but the suspension
> is
>> >> > leaps and bounds better than the stock ride...especially due to the
>> >> sagging
>> >> > I'm sure you're having with the age of your Jeep. If I could do it
>> >> > over
>> >> > again, I would've gone with the OME shocks. The offroad benefits of
>> >> > the
>> >> > lift are amazing. It's nice to stuff 31x10.50s under an XJ for the
>> > price
>> >> of
>> >> > this lift.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jim
>> >> > 94XJ
>> >> >
>> >> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:41b51eba$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> >> > > Some of you may remember that I was planning on putting a 2" coil
>> > spacer
>> >> > > lift on my 89 Cherokee. After exhaustive research, I have decided
>> >> > > this
>> >> is
>> >> > > probably not the best option for me.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I'm looking at the 3.5" Rubicon Express Super Ride kit w/rear
>> >> > > springs.
>> >> How
>> >> > > good is the ride of this kit compared to stock? How is it compared
> to
>> >> the
>> >> > > "Super-flex" kit (w/rear springs)? I will be buying a kit with new
>> > rear
>> >> > > springs, NOT Add-a-Leaf.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Experiance with these kits?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Also, I am looking at the Doestch 3000 shocks. Do I need the 4-6"
>> >> > > lift
>> >> > ones
>> >> > > or the stock legnth? Could I put the 4-6" lift shocks on now
>> >> > > (stock
>> >> > height)
>> >> > > and put the kit on in a few months?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Carl
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>