Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

Ya I was wondering too.

Every time this poor Joshua guy makes a post that Troll Cal Wheeler is
all over him trying to start a fight.

We don't need guys like Cal in this NG.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

serg wrote:
>
> hmm...i don't think he's explained all that yet-i was staying away
> from the joshua nelson being a troll discussion but-serioulsy-what the
> hell is going on with this guy?
>
> Cal Wheeler <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message news:<bkb87g$6o9$4@pita.alt.net>...
> > Joshua Nelson wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Am I overlooking something???
> >
> >
> > Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a scant
> > few days ago.
> >
> > Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year old
> > brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
> > coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
> > area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post from
> > an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I'm happy that the damn thing holds water. That usually gets a WOW just
because of the stuff I mow down with it.





"Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
news:lI5ab.28534$9I.6603@fe09.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> But it does have a very high "Gee Wiz" factor. Think how cool you will be
> when you casually tell your buddies "oh that radiator... yeah that is
> aluminum"
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vmhomf985or99e@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:b102b6e4.0309170547.47a9296b@posting.google.c om...
> > > When we were talking about radiators last week, general opinion seemed
> > > to be that the main advantage of aluminum was lower weight.
> > >
> > > I don't see how this matters that much. (Note: I'm not trying to
> > > argue - just saying I don't understand.)
> > >
> > > Here's my thinking: Most of the time, jeeping is a low speed, low
> > > RPM activity. You're not usually trying to fly up the hill or through
> > > the mud at max speed and power. It's rare to have the gas pedal
> > > floored when off-roading. So there's almost always plenty of "oomph"
> > > left in the vehicle which you could get by simply pressing down
> > > further on the accelerator. Further, most of the time you get stuck,
> > > it's because the wheels are spinning and not getting traction, or
> > > perhaps because you are hung up on something, not because the engine
> > > doesn't have enough horsepower to turn the wheels.
> > >
> > > Also, in the overall 3,000 or 4,000 pound weight of a jeep (maybe
> > > pushing 5000 lbs with passengers, winch, ice chest, etc.), the small
> > > relative weight difference of aluminum radiators seems like an awfully
> > > small drop in the bucket. Not to mention that additional weight can
> > > actually help a vehicle gain traciton.
> > >
> > > So, all in all, it seems to me like you're getting an extremely tiny
> > > horsepower improvement which probably isn't even needed. And to do
> > > so, the tradeoff is that you're now running aluminum, which several
> > > people have said is more expensive, harder to work with, and more
> > > easily damaged than a traditional radiator.
> > >
> > > This just seems like a lousy trade to me. If you're that concerned
> > > about weight, there are other things you could do, too, such as
> > > running without that big ol' heavy spare tire, but that makes about as
> > > much sense as far as I can see.
> > >
> > > Am I overlooking something???
> >
> >
> > I don't think so. It seems like an expensive trade off with little gain.
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I'm happy that the damn thing holds water. That usually gets a WOW just
because of the stuff I mow down with it.





"Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
news:lI5ab.28534$9I.6603@fe09.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> But it does have a very high "Gee Wiz" factor. Think how cool you will be
> when you casually tell your buddies "oh that radiator... yeah that is
> aluminum"
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vmhomf985or99e@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:b102b6e4.0309170547.47a9296b@posting.google.c om...
> > > When we were talking about radiators last week, general opinion seemed
> > > to be that the main advantage of aluminum was lower weight.
> > >
> > > I don't see how this matters that much. (Note: I'm not trying to
> > > argue - just saying I don't understand.)
> > >
> > > Here's my thinking: Most of the time, jeeping is a low speed, low
> > > RPM activity. You're not usually trying to fly up the hill or through
> > > the mud at max speed and power. It's rare to have the gas pedal
> > > floored when off-roading. So there's almost always plenty of "oomph"
> > > left in the vehicle which you could get by simply pressing down
> > > further on the accelerator. Further, most of the time you get stuck,
> > > it's because the wheels are spinning and not getting traction, or
> > > perhaps because you are hung up on something, not because the engine
> > > doesn't have enough horsepower to turn the wheels.
> > >
> > > Also, in the overall 3,000 or 4,000 pound weight of a jeep (maybe
> > > pushing 5000 lbs with passengers, winch, ice chest, etc.), the small
> > > relative weight difference of aluminum radiators seems like an awfully
> > > small drop in the bucket. Not to mention that additional weight can
> > > actually help a vehicle gain traciton.
> > >
> > > So, all in all, it seems to me like you're getting an extremely tiny
> > > horsepower improvement which probably isn't even needed. And to do
> > > so, the tradeoff is that you're now running aluminum, which several
> > > people have said is more expensive, harder to work with, and more
> > > easily damaged than a traditional radiator.
> > >
> > > This just seems like a lousy trade to me. If you're that concerned
> > > about weight, there are other things you could do, too, such as
> > > running without that big ol' heavy spare tire, but that makes about as
> > > much sense as far as I can see.
> > >
> > > Am I overlooking something???
> >
> >
> > I don't think so. It seems like an expensive trade off with little gain.
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I don't give a damn about Joshua's private life; as long as he/she/it is
polite and asks reasonable questions, I'll be more than happy to answer
them. He got a bit stamped on for being a bit obstreperous and has stopped
it - fair play to him.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F69E1B6.AEB9E10D@sympatico.ca...
: Ya I was wondering too.
:
: Every time this poor Joshua guy makes a post that Troll Cal Wheeler is
: all over him trying to start a fight.
:
: We don't need guys like Cal in this NG.
:
: Mike
: 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
:
: serg wrote:
: >
: > hmm...i don't think he's explained all that yet-i was staying away
: > from the joshua nelson being a troll discussion but-serioulsy-what the
: > hell is going on with this guy?
: >
: > Cal Wheeler <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:<bkb87g$6o9$4@pita.alt.net>...
: > > Joshua Nelson wrote:
: > >
: > >
: > > >
: > > > Am I overlooking something???
: > >
: > >
: > > Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a
scant
: > > few days ago.
: > >
: > > Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year
old
: > > brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
: > > coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
: > > area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post
from
: > > an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I don't give a damn about Joshua's private life; as long as he/she/it is
polite and asks reasonable questions, I'll be more than happy to answer
them. He got a bit stamped on for being a bit obstreperous and has stopped
it - fair play to him.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F69E1B6.AEB9E10D@sympatico.ca...
: Ya I was wondering too.
:
: Every time this poor Joshua guy makes a post that Troll Cal Wheeler is
: all over him trying to start a fight.
:
: We don't need guys like Cal in this NG.
:
: Mike
: 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
:
: serg wrote:
: >
: > hmm...i don't think he's explained all that yet-i was staying away
: > from the joshua nelson being a troll discussion but-serioulsy-what the
: > hell is going on with this guy?
: >
: > Cal Wheeler <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:<bkb87g$6o9$4@pita.alt.net>...
: > > Joshua Nelson wrote:
: > >
: > >
: > > >
: > > > Am I overlooking something???
: > >
: > >
: > > Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a
scant
: > > few days ago.
: > >
: > > Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year
old
: > > brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
: > > coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
: > > area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post
from
: > > an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I guess we could all just ignore the posts we dont like... Naaah, never
happen.
KH

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Sbnab.1223$JJ2.10743935@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I don't give a damn about Joshua's private life; as long as he/she/it is
> polite and asks reasonable questions, I'll be more than happy to answer
> them. He got a bit stamped on for being a bit obstreperous and has stopped
> it - fair play to him.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F69E1B6.AEB9E10D@sympatico.ca...
> : Ya I was wondering too.
> :
> : Every time this poor Joshua guy makes a post that Troll Cal Wheeler is
> : all over him trying to start a fight.
> :
> : We don't need guys like Cal in this NG.
> :
> : Mike
> : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> :
> : serg wrote:
> : >
> : > hmm...i don't think he's explained all that yet-i was staying away
> : > from the joshua nelson being a troll discussion but-serioulsy-what the
> : > hell is going on with this guy?
> : >
> : > Cal Wheeler <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> news:<bkb87g$6o9$4@pita.alt.net>...
> : > > Joshua Nelson wrote:
> : > >
> : > >
> : > > >
> : > > > Am I overlooking something???
> : > >
> : > >
> : > > Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a
> scant
> : > > few days ago.
> : > >
> : > > Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year
> old
> : > > brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and
insurance
> : > > coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des
Moines
> : > > area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post
> from
> : > > an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!
>
>

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I guess we could all just ignore the posts we dont like... Naaah, never
happen.
KH

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Sbnab.1223$JJ2.10743935@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I don't give a damn about Joshua's private life; as long as he/she/it is
> polite and asks reasonable questions, I'll be more than happy to answer
> them. He got a bit stamped on for being a bit obstreperous and has stopped
> it - fair play to him.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F69E1B6.AEB9E10D@sympatico.ca...
> : Ya I was wondering too.
> :
> : Every time this poor Joshua guy makes a post that Troll Cal Wheeler is
> : all over him trying to start a fight.
> :
> : We don't need guys like Cal in this NG.
> :
> : Mike
> : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> :
> : serg wrote:
> : >
> : > hmm...i don't think he's explained all that yet-i was staying away
> : > from the joshua nelson being a troll discussion but-serioulsy-what the
> : > hell is going on with this guy?
> : >
> : > Cal Wheeler <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> news:<bkb87g$6o9$4@pita.alt.net>...
> : > > Joshua Nelson wrote:
> : > >
> : > >
> : > > >
> : > > > Am I overlooking something???
> : > >
> : > >
> : > > Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a
> scant
> : > > few days ago.
> : > >
> : > > Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year
> old
> : > > brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and
insurance
> : > > coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des
Moines
> : > > area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post
> from
> : > > an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!
>
>

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:54:42 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:

He got a bit stamped on for being a bit <<<<obstreperous>>>>>>>

WOW!!!!!!! I've got to look that word up!!

Tookie

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:54:42 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:

He got a bit stamped on for being a bit <<<<obstreperous>>>>>>>

WOW!!!!!!! I've got to look that word up!!

Tookie

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=obstreperous

"Tookie " <tookie@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3f6a102f.104028343@news.east.cox.net...
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:54:42 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>
> He got a bit stamped on for being a bit <<<<obstreperous>>>>>>>
>
> WOW!!!!!!! I've got to look that word up!!
>
> Tookie
>
>