Rig weight - why worry?
 

When we were talking about radiators last week, general opinion seemed
to be that the main advantage of aluminum was lower weight.

I don't see how this matters that much. (Note: I'm not trying to
argue - just saying I don't understand.)

Here's my thinking: Most of the time, jeeping is a low speed, low
RPM activity. You're not usually trying to fly up the hill or through
the mud at max speed and power. It's rare to have the gas pedal
floored when off-roading. So there's almost always plenty of "oomph"
left in the vehicle which you could get by simply pressing down
further on the accelerator. Further, most of the time you get stuck,
it's because the wheels are spinning and not getting traction, or
perhaps because you are hung up on something, not because the engine
doesn't have enough horsepower to turn the wheels.

Also, in the overall 3,000 or 4,000 pound weight of a jeep (maybe
pushing 5000 lbs with passengers, winch, ice chest, etc.), the small
relative weight difference of aluminum radiators seems like an awfully
small drop in the bucket. Not to mention that additional weight can
actually help a vehicle gain traciton.

So, all in all, it seems to me like you're getting an extremely tiny
horsepower improvement which probably isn't even needed. And to do
so, the tradeoff is that you're now running aluminum, which several
people have said is more expensive, harder to work with, and more
easily damaged than a traditional radiator.

This just seems like a lousy trade to me. If you're that concerned
about weight, there are other things you could do, too, such as
running without that big ol' heavy spare tire, but that makes about as
much sense as far as I can see.

Am I overlooking something???

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

On 17 Sep 2003 06:47:16 -0700, spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:

>When we were talking about radiators last week, general opinion seemed
>to be that the main advantage of aluminum was lower weight.
>
>I don't see how this matters that much. (Note: I'm not trying to
>argue - just saying I don't understand.)

I agree with you, if you were building a full-on rock buggy
for competition, maybe that would make a difference.
But for a regular Jeep, hell, I could have a big lunch and
overcome the weight savings, plus there is the hassle of
special coolant, sacrificial anodes, etc

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

On 17 Sep 2003 06:47:16 -0700, spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:

>When we were talking about radiators last week, general opinion seemed
>to be that the main advantage of aluminum was lower weight.
>
>I don't see how this matters that much. (Note: I'm not trying to
>argue - just saying I don't understand.)

I agree with you, if you were building a full-on rock buggy
for competition, maybe that would make a difference.
But for a regular Jeep, hell, I could have a big lunch and
overcome the weight savings, plus there is the hassle of
special coolant, sacrificial anodes, etc

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

Approximately 9/17/03 06:47, Joshua Nelson uttered for posterity:

> When we were talking about radiators last week, general opinion seemed
> to be that the main advantage of aluminum was lower weight.

For the same weight and or volume, more cooling. Plus the
construction of an aluminum radiator is more efficient at
moving heat from the water to the air.

>
> I don't see how this matters that much. (Note: I'm not trying to
> argue - just saying I don't understand.)

Possibly because the weight wasn't the overwhelming factor
for jeeps.
..
>
> Am I overlooking something???

Yes. See the discussion of heat transfer between copper/brass
and aluminum plus the discussion that the aluminum construction
allows better heat transfer between the cooling tubes and the
fins. Plus that the higher mechanical strength of aluminum
allows smaller pipes, thus more of them.

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

Approximately 9/17/03 06:47, Joshua Nelson uttered for posterity:

> When we were talking about radiators last week, general opinion seemed
> to be that the main advantage of aluminum was lower weight.

For the same weight and or volume, more cooling. Plus the
construction of an aluminum radiator is more efficient at
moving heat from the water to the air.

>
> I don't see how this matters that much. (Note: I'm not trying to
> argue - just saying I don't understand.)

Possibly because the weight wasn't the overwhelming factor
for jeeps.
..
>
> Am I overlooking something???

Yes. See the discussion of heat transfer between copper/brass
and aluminum plus the discussion that the aluminum construction
allows better heat transfer between the cooling tubes and the
fins. Plus that the higher mechanical strength of aluminum
allows smaller pipes, thus more of them.

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I've never heard that the advantages of an aluminum radiator is weight. The
main advantage is that aluminum is about the best metal known for heat
dissapation. Which is, obviously, the radiator's function.



"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309170547.47a9296b@posting.google.c om...
> When we were talking about radiators last week, general opinion seemed
> to be that the main advantage of aluminum was lower weight.
>
> I don't see how this matters that much. (Note: I'm not trying to
> argue - just saying I don't understand.)
>
> Here's my thinking: Most of the time, jeeping is a low speed, low
> RPM activity. You're not usually trying to fly up the hill or through
> the mud at max speed and power. It's rare to have the gas pedal
> floored when off-roading. So there's almost always plenty of "oomph"
> left in the vehicle which you could get by simply pressing down
> further on the accelerator. Further, most of the time you get stuck,
> it's because the wheels are spinning and not getting traction, or
> perhaps because you are hung up on something, not because the engine
> doesn't have enough horsepower to turn the wheels.
>
> Also, in the overall 3,000 or 4,000 pound weight of a jeep (maybe
> pushing 5000 lbs with passengers, winch, ice chest, etc.), the small
> relative weight difference of aluminum radiators seems like an awfully
> small drop in the bucket. Not to mention that additional weight can
> actually help a vehicle gain traciton.
>
> So, all in all, it seems to me like you're getting an extremely tiny
> horsepower improvement which probably isn't even needed. And to do
> so, the tradeoff is that you're now running aluminum, which several
> people have said is more expensive, harder to work with, and more
> easily damaged than a traditional radiator.
>
> This just seems like a lousy trade to me. If you're that concerned
> about weight, there are other things you could do, too, such as
> running without that big ol' heavy spare tire, but that makes about as
> much sense as far as I can see.
>
> Am I overlooking something???

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I've never heard that the advantages of an aluminum radiator is weight. The
main advantage is that aluminum is about the best metal known for heat
dissapation. Which is, obviously, the radiator's function.



"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309170547.47a9296b@posting.google.c om...
> When we were talking about radiators last week, general opinion seemed
> to be that the main advantage of aluminum was lower weight.
>
> I don't see how this matters that much. (Note: I'm not trying to
> argue - just saying I don't understand.)
>
> Here's my thinking: Most of the time, jeeping is a low speed, low
> RPM activity. You're not usually trying to fly up the hill or through
> the mud at max speed and power. It's rare to have the gas pedal
> floored when off-roading. So there's almost always plenty of "oomph"
> left in the vehicle which you could get by simply pressing down
> further on the accelerator. Further, most of the time you get stuck,
> it's because the wheels are spinning and not getting traction, or
> perhaps because you are hung up on something, not because the engine
> doesn't have enough horsepower to turn the wheels.
>
> Also, in the overall 3,000 or 4,000 pound weight of a jeep (maybe
> pushing 5000 lbs with passengers, winch, ice chest, etc.), the small
> relative weight difference of aluminum radiators seems like an awfully
> small drop in the bucket. Not to mention that additional weight can
> actually help a vehicle gain traciton.
>
> So, all in all, it seems to me like you're getting an extremely tiny
> horsepower improvement which probably isn't even needed. And to do
> so, the tradeoff is that you're now running aluminum, which several
> people have said is more expensive, harder to work with, and more
> easily damaged than a traditional radiator.
>
> This just seems like a lousy trade to me. If you're that concerned
> about weight, there are other things you could do, too, such as
> running without that big ol' heavy spare tire, but that makes about as
> much sense as far as I can see.
>
> Am I overlooking something???

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

Approximately 9/17/03 12:47, kid4lyf uttered for posterity:

> I've never heard that the advantages of an aluminum radiator is weight. The
> main advantage is that aluminum is about the best metal known for heat
> dissapation. Which is, obviously, the radiator's function.

It turns out that aluminum is well below copper and silver [the
kings of heat transfer] but barely above brass. The big advantage
is an aluminum to aluminum bond conducts better than the traditional
braze or solder of older radiators.

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

Approximately 9/17/03 12:47, kid4lyf uttered for posterity:

> I've never heard that the advantages of an aluminum radiator is weight. The
> main advantage is that aluminum is about the best metal known for heat
> dissapation. Which is, obviously, the radiator's function.

It turns out that aluminum is well below copper and silver [the
kings of heat transfer] but barely above brass. The big advantage
is an aluminum to aluminum bond conducts better than the traditional
braze or solder of older radiators.

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5l3ab.93030$mp.42433@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.ne t...
Approximately 9/17/03 12:47, kid4lyf uttered for posterity:

> I've never heard that the advantages of an aluminum radiator is weight.
The
> main advantage is that aluminum is about the best metal known for heat
> dissapation. Which is, obviously, the radiator's function.

I>t turns out that aluminum is well below copper and silver [the
>kings of heat transfer] but barely above brass. The big advantage
>is an aluminum to aluminum bond conducts better than the traditional
>braze or solder of older radiators.

Just a quick note, while copper is great at conducting heat, It is lousy at
radiating it, while aluminum is great at radiating it, which is why its
better for cooling.... (thats why you see some computer heatsinks madewith a
copper base and aluminum fins.

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5l3ab.93030$mp.42433@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.ne t...
Approximately 9/17/03 12:47, kid4lyf uttered for posterity:

> I've never heard that the advantages of an aluminum radiator is weight.
The
> main advantage is that aluminum is about the best metal known for heat
> dissapation. Which is, obviously, the radiator's function.

I>t turns out that aluminum is well below copper and silver [the
>kings of heat transfer] but barely above brass. The big advantage
>is an aluminum to aluminum bond conducts better than the traditional
>braze or solder of older radiators.

Just a quick note, while copper is great at conducting heat, It is lousy at
radiating it, while aluminum is great at radiating it, which is why its
better for cooling.... (thats why you see some computer heatsinks madewith a
copper base and aluminum fins.

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

Approximately 9/17/03 16:13, Fletcher uttered for posterity:

> But it does have a very high "Gee Wiz" factor. Think how cool you will be
> when you casually tell your buddies "oh that radiator... yeah that is
> aluminum"

Not as cool as having one made from silver....

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

Approximately 9/17/03 16:13, Fletcher uttered for posterity:

> But it does have a very high "Gee Wiz" factor. Think how cool you will be
> when you casually tell your buddies "oh that radiator... yeah that is
> aluminum"

Not as cool as having one made from silver....

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

Joshua Nelson wrote:


>
> Am I overlooking something???


Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a scant
few days ago.

Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year old
brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post from
an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

Joshua Nelson wrote:


>
> Am I overlooking something???


Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a scant
few days ago.

Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year old
brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post from
an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

> Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year old
> brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
> coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
> area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post from
> an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!

Why, hello again Cal! (Note: You forgot to also call me a child
molesting devil worshipper.) However, as interesting as my personal
life may be to you, it doesn't have much to do with jeeps, so let's
try to stay on topic, shall we?

Thanks to everyone else for their input. The link was interesting.

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

> Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year old
> brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
> coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
> area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post from
> an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!

Why, hello again Cal! (Note: You forgot to also call me a child
molesting devil worshipper.) However, as interesting as my personal
life may be to you, it doesn't have much to do with jeeps, so let's
try to stay on topic, shall we?

Thanks to everyone else for their input. The link was interesting.

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

hmm...i don't think he's explained all that yet-i was staying away
from the joshua nelson being a troll discussion but-serioulsy-what the
hell is going on with this guy?


Cal Wheeler <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message news:<bkb87g$6o9$4@pita.alt.net>...
> Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Am I overlooking something???
>
>
> Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a scant
> few days ago.
>
> Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year old
> brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
> coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
> area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post from
> an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

hmm...i don't think he's explained all that yet-i was staying away
from the joshua nelson being a troll discussion but-serioulsy-what the
hell is going on with this guy?


Cal Wheeler <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message news:<bkb87g$6o9$4@pita.alt.net>...
> Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Am I overlooking something???
>
>
> Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a scant
> few days ago.
>
> Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year old
> brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
> coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
> area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post from
> an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

Ya I was wondering too.

Every time this poor Joshua guy makes a post that Troll Cal Wheeler is
all over him trying to start a fight.

We don't need guys like Cal in this NG.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

serg wrote:
>
> hmm...i don't think he's explained all that yet-i was staying away
> from the joshua nelson being a troll discussion but-serioulsy-what the
> hell is going on with this guy?
>
> Cal Wheeler <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message news:<bkb87g$6o9$4@pita.alt.net>...
> > Joshua Nelson wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Am I overlooking something???
> >
> >
> > Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a scant
> > few days ago.
> >
> > Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year old
> > brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
> > coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
> > area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post from
> > an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

Ya I was wondering too.

Every time this poor Joshua guy makes a post that Troll Cal Wheeler is
all over him trying to start a fight.

We don't need guys like Cal in this NG.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

serg wrote:
>
> hmm...i don't think he's explained all that yet-i was staying away
> from the joshua nelson being a troll discussion but-serioulsy-what the
> hell is going on with this guy?
>
> Cal Wheeler <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message news:<bkb87g$6o9$4@pita.alt.net>...
> > Joshua Nelson wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Am I overlooking something???
> >
> >
> > Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a scant
> > few days ago.
> >
> > Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year old
> > brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
> > coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
> > area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post from
> > an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I'm happy that the damn thing holds water. That usually gets a WOW just
because of the stuff I mow down with it.





"Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
news:lI5ab.28534$9I.6603@fe09.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> But it does have a very high "Gee Wiz" factor. Think how cool you will be
> when you casually tell your buddies "oh that radiator... yeah that is
> aluminum"
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vmhomf985or99e@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:b102b6e4.0309170547.47a9296b@posting.google.c om...
> > > When we were talking about radiators last week, general opinion seemed
> > > to be that the main advantage of aluminum was lower weight.
> > >
> > > I don't see how this matters that much. (Note: I'm not trying to
> > > argue - just saying I don't understand.)
> > >
> > > Here's my thinking: Most of the time, jeeping is a low speed, low
> > > RPM activity. You're not usually trying to fly up the hill or through
> > > the mud at max speed and power. It's rare to have the gas pedal
> > > floored when off-roading. So there's almost always plenty of "oomph"
> > > left in the vehicle which you could get by simply pressing down
> > > further on the accelerator. Further, most of the time you get stuck,
> > > it's because the wheels are spinning and not getting traction, or
> > > perhaps because you are hung up on something, not because the engine
> > > doesn't have enough horsepower to turn the wheels.
> > >
> > > Also, in the overall 3,000 or 4,000 pound weight of a jeep (maybe
> > > pushing 5000 lbs with passengers, winch, ice chest, etc.), the small
> > > relative weight difference of aluminum radiators seems like an awfully
> > > small drop in the bucket. Not to mention that additional weight can
> > > actually help a vehicle gain traciton.
> > >
> > > So, all in all, it seems to me like you're getting an extremely tiny
> > > horsepower improvement which probably isn't even needed. And to do
> > > so, the tradeoff is that you're now running aluminum, which several
> > > people have said is more expensive, harder to work with, and more
> > > easily damaged than a traditional radiator.
> > >
> > > This just seems like a lousy trade to me. If you're that concerned
> > > about weight, there are other things you could do, too, such as
> > > running without that big ol' heavy spare tire, but that makes about as
> > > much sense as far as I can see.
> > >
> > > Am I overlooking something???
> >
> >
> > I don't think so. It seems like an expensive trade off with little gain.
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I'm happy that the damn thing holds water. That usually gets a WOW just
because of the stuff I mow down with it.





"Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
news:lI5ab.28534$9I.6603@fe09.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> But it does have a very high "Gee Wiz" factor. Think how cool you will be
> when you casually tell your buddies "oh that radiator... yeah that is
> aluminum"
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vmhomf985or99e@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:b102b6e4.0309170547.47a9296b@posting.google.c om...
> > > When we were talking about radiators last week, general opinion seemed
> > > to be that the main advantage of aluminum was lower weight.
> > >
> > > I don't see how this matters that much. (Note: I'm not trying to
> > > argue - just saying I don't understand.)
> > >
> > > Here's my thinking: Most of the time, jeeping is a low speed, low
> > > RPM activity. You're not usually trying to fly up the hill or through
> > > the mud at max speed and power. It's rare to have the gas pedal
> > > floored when off-roading. So there's almost always plenty of "oomph"
> > > left in the vehicle which you could get by simply pressing down
> > > further on the accelerator. Further, most of the time you get stuck,
> > > it's because the wheels are spinning and not getting traction, or
> > > perhaps because you are hung up on something, not because the engine
> > > doesn't have enough horsepower to turn the wheels.
> > >
> > > Also, in the overall 3,000 or 4,000 pound weight of a jeep (maybe
> > > pushing 5000 lbs with passengers, winch, ice chest, etc.), the small
> > > relative weight difference of aluminum radiators seems like an awfully
> > > small drop in the bucket. Not to mention that additional weight can
> > > actually help a vehicle gain traciton.
> > >
> > > So, all in all, it seems to me like you're getting an extremely tiny
> > > horsepower improvement which probably isn't even needed. And to do
> > > so, the tradeoff is that you're now running aluminum, which several
> > > people have said is more expensive, harder to work with, and more
> > > easily damaged than a traditional radiator.
> > >
> > > This just seems like a lousy trade to me. If you're that concerned
> > > about weight, there are other things you could do, too, such as
> > > running without that big ol' heavy spare tire, but that makes about as
> > > much sense as far as I can see.
> > >
> > > Am I overlooking something???
> >
> >
> > I don't think so. It seems like an expensive trade off with little gain.
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I don't give a damn about Joshua's private life; as long as he/she/it is
polite and asks reasonable questions, I'll be more than happy to answer
them. He got a bit stamped on for being a bit obstreperous and has stopped
it - fair play to him.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F69E1B6.AEB9E10D@sympatico.ca...
: Ya I was wondering too.
:
: Every time this poor Joshua guy makes a post that Troll Cal Wheeler is
: all over him trying to start a fight.
:
: We don't need guys like Cal in this NG.
:
: Mike
: 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
:
: serg wrote:
: >
: > hmm...i don't think he's explained all that yet-i was staying away
: > from the joshua nelson being a troll discussion but-serioulsy-what the
: > hell is going on with this guy?
: >
: > Cal Wheeler <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:<bkb87g$6o9$4@pita.alt.net>...
: > > Joshua Nelson wrote:
: > >
: > >
: > > >
: > > > Am I overlooking something???
: > >
: > >
: > > Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a
scant
: > > few days ago.
: > >
: > > Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year
old
: > > brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
: > > coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
: > > area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post
from
: > > an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I don't give a damn about Joshua's private life; as long as he/she/it is
polite and asks reasonable questions, I'll be more than happy to answer
them. He got a bit stamped on for being a bit obstreperous and has stopped
it - fair play to him.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F69E1B6.AEB9E10D@sympatico.ca...
: Ya I was wondering too.
:
: Every time this poor Joshua guy makes a post that Troll Cal Wheeler is
: all over him trying to start a fight.
:
: We don't need guys like Cal in this NG.
:
: Mike
: 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
:
: serg wrote:
: >
: > hmm...i don't think he's explained all that yet-i was staying away
: > from the joshua nelson being a troll discussion but-serioulsy-what the
: > hell is going on with this guy?
: >
: > Cal Wheeler <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:<bkb87g$6o9$4@pita.alt.net>...
: > > Joshua Nelson wrote:
: > >
: > >
: > > >
: > > > Am I overlooking something???
: > >
: > >
: > > Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a
scant
: > > few days ago.
: > >
: > > Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year
old
: > > brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
: > > coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
: > > area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post
from
: > > an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I guess we could all just ignore the posts we dont like... Naaah, never
happen.
KH

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Sbnab.1223$JJ2.10743935@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I don't give a damn about Joshua's private life; as long as he/she/it is
> polite and asks reasonable questions, I'll be more than happy to answer
> them. He got a bit stamped on for being a bit obstreperous and has stopped
> it - fair play to him.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F69E1B6.AEB9E10D@sympatico.ca...
> : Ya I was wondering too.
> :
> : Every time this poor Joshua guy makes a post that Troll Cal Wheeler is
> : all over him trying to start a fight.
> :
> : We don't need guys like Cal in this NG.
> :
> : Mike
> : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> :
> : serg wrote:
> : >
> : > hmm...i don't think he's explained all that yet-i was staying away
> : > from the joshua nelson being a troll discussion but-serioulsy-what the
> : > hell is going on with this guy?
> : >
> : > Cal Wheeler <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> news:<bkb87g$6o9$4@pita.alt.net>...
> : > > Joshua Nelson wrote:
> : > >
> : > >
> : > > >
> : > > > Am I overlooking something???
> : > >
> : > >
> : > > Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a
> scant
> : > > few days ago.
> : > >
> : > > Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year
> old
> : > > brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and
insurance
> : > > coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des
Moines
> : > > area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post
> from
> : > > an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!
>
>

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I guess we could all just ignore the posts we dont like... Naaah, never
happen.
KH

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Sbnab.1223$JJ2.10743935@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I don't give a damn about Joshua's private life; as long as he/she/it is
> polite and asks reasonable questions, I'll be more than happy to answer
> them. He got a bit stamped on for being a bit obstreperous and has stopped
> it - fair play to him.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F69E1B6.AEB9E10D@sympatico.ca...
> : Ya I was wondering too.
> :
> : Every time this poor Joshua guy makes a post that Troll Cal Wheeler is
> : all over him trying to start a fight.
> :
> : We don't need guys like Cal in this NG.
> :
> : Mike
> : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> :
> : serg wrote:
> : >
> : > hmm...i don't think he's explained all that yet-i was staying away
> : > from the joshua nelson being a troll discussion but-serioulsy-what the
> : > hell is going on with this guy?
> : >
> : > Cal Wheeler <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> news:<bkb87g$6o9$4@pita.alt.net>...
> : > > Joshua Nelson wrote:
> : > >
> : > >
> : > > >
> : > > > Am I overlooking something???
> : > >
> : > >
> : > > Yes, you overlooked the fact that we outed you as a lying troll a
> scant
> : > > few days ago.
> : > >
> : > > Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year
> old
> : > > brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and
insurance
> : > > coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des
Moines
> : > > area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post
> from
> : > > an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!
>
>

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:54:42 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:

He got a bit stamped on for being a bit <<<<obstreperous>>>>>>>

WOW!!!!!!! I've got to look that word up!!

Tookie

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:54:42 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:

He got a bit stamped on for being a bit <<<<obstreperous>>>>>>>

WOW!!!!!!! I've got to look that word up!!

Tookie

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=obstreperous

"Tookie " <tookie@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3f6a102f.104028343@news.east.cox.net...
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:54:42 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>
> He got a bit stamped on for being a bit <<<<obstreperous>>>>>>>
>
> WOW!!!!!!! I've got to look that word up!!
>
> Tookie
>
>

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=obstreperous

"Tookie " <tookie@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3f6a102f.104028343@news.east.cox.net...
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:54:42 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>
> He got a bit stamped on for being a bit <<<<obstreperous>>>>>>>
>
> WOW!!!!!!! I've got to look that word up!!
>
> Tookie
>
>

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

In article <3F6A210E.1651BAF2@sympatico.ca>,
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

<obstreperous>

Moby ----

"They were capering about most obstreperosly."

The scene in the tavern at the begining.


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Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

In article <3F6A210E.1651BAF2@sympatico.ca>,
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

<obstreperous>

Moby ----

"They were capering about most obstreperosly."

The scene in the tavern at the begining.


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Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
news:moomesa-E2E2C7.16275118092003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> In article <3F6A210E.1651BAF2@sympatico.ca>,
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> <obstreperous>
>
> Moby ----
>
> "They were capering about most obstreperosly."
>
> The scene in the tavern at the begining.

Were they truculent?
__
Steve
..

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
news:moomesa-E2E2C7.16275118092003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> In article <3F6A210E.1651BAF2@sympatico.ca>,
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> <obstreperous>
>
> Moby ----
>
> "They were capering about most obstreperosly."
>
> The scene in the tavern at the begining.

Were they truculent?
__
Steve
..

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I have been staying out of this so far, but I (and I'm sure others) are
curious as to how you would respond to that Josh.

Tom

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309180552.55571de5@posting.google.c om...
> > Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year old
> > brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
> > coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
> > area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post from
> > an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!
snip

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

I have been staying out of this so far, but I (and I'm sure others) are
curious as to how you would respond to that Josh.

Tom

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309180552.55571de5@posting.google.c om...
> > Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year old
> > brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
> > coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
> > area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post from
> > an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!
snip

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

In article <b102b6e4.0309180552.55571de5@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:

>Why, hello again Cal! (Note: You forgot to also call me a child
>molesting devil worshipper.)

Nothing in the usenet archive about that, yet :-)
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

In article <b102b6e4.0309180552.55571de5@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:

>Why, hello again Cal! (Note: You forgot to also call me a child
>molesting devil worshipper.)

Nothing in the usenet archive about that, yet :-)
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Rig weight - why worry?
 

Joshua Nelson wrote:

>>Can you reconcile the fact that you are like a dad to your one year old
>>brother, yet have a two year old daughter, speak of IRAs and insurance
>>coverage like a 40 year old, want to play Hulk Hogan in the Des Moines
>>area, yet claim to be 16, grounded, and in Arizona, while you post from
>>an Exxon account in Texas? Thanks!
>
>
> Why, hello again Cal!

Nice killfiling, "Josh".

>(Note: You forgot to also call me a child
> molesting devil worshipper.)

I haven't found any posts made by you where you admitted to it. If you
do, I will.

> However, as interesting as my personal
> life may be to you, it doesn't have much to do with jeeps, so let's
> try to stay on topic, shall we?

The topic is you lying and trolling on this newsgroup, troll.

That was a pretty pathetic evasion, by the way. How about just clearing
up the lies you've told on this newsgroup?
>