The reviews are in and they're not good.
11-19-2006, 09:08 AM
#21
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Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
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> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>
> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
> while checking the value of my TJL.
If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for only
negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the fact
that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
off-road-capable vehicles.
>
>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not buy
>> it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>
> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
> seat and got it down the road.
Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?
Now that I think about it, there's a
> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and 20-25
> ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>
> I'll get back to you.
Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
your trespassing citation.
11-19-2006, 09:08 AM
#22
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Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:A6qdncemn_74csLYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>
> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
> while checking the value of my TJL.
If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for only
negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the fact
that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
off-road-capable vehicles.
>
>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not buy
>> it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>
> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
> seat and got it down the road.
Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?
Now that I think about it, there's a
> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and 20-25
> ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>
> I'll get back to you.
Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
your trespassing citation.
11-19-2006, 09:15 AM
#23
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Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
To keep things in perspective, here's Edmund's review of your TJL. Looks
like they didn't like that one either, using your criteria.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...4/pageNumber=1
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:A6qdncemn_74csLYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>>
>> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
>> while checking the value of my TJL.
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for
> only negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the
> fact that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.
>
>>
>>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not
>>> buy it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>>
>> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
>> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
>> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
>> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
>> seat and got it down the road.
>
> Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
> forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?
>
> Now that I think about it, there's a
>> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and
>> 20-25 ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>>
>> I'll get back to you.
>
> Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
> your trespassing citation.
>
like they didn't like that one either, using your criteria.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...4/pageNumber=1
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:A6qdncemn_74csLYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>>
>> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
>> while checking the value of my TJL.
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for
> only negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the
> fact that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.
>
>>
>>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not
>>> buy it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>>
>> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
>> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
>> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
>> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
>> seat and got it down the road.
>
> Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
> forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?
>
> Now that I think about it, there's a
>> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and
>> 20-25 ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>>
>> I'll get back to you.
>
> Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
> your trespassing citation.
>
11-19-2006, 09:15 AM
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Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
To keep things in perspective, here's Edmund's review of your TJL. Looks
like they didn't like that one either, using your criteria.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...4/pageNumber=1
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:0JidnboBT7HN-P3YnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:A6qdncemn_74csLYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>>
>> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
>> while checking the value of my TJL.
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for
> only negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the
> fact that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.
>
>>
>>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not
>>> buy it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>>
>> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
>> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
>> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
>> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
>> seat and got it down the road.
>
> Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
> forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?
>
> Now that I think about it, there's a
>> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and
>> 20-25 ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>>
>> I'll get back to you.
>
> Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
> your trespassing citation.
>
like they didn't like that one either, using your criteria.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...4/pageNumber=1
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:A6qdncemn_74csLYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>>
>> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
>> while checking the value of my TJL.
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for
> only negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the
> fact that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.
>
>>
>>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not
>>> buy it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>>
>> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
>> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
>> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
>> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
>> seat and got it down the road.
>
> Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
> forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?
>
> Now that I think about it, there's a
>> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and
>> 20-25 ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>>
>> I'll get back to you.
>
> Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
> your trespassing citation.
>
11-19-2006, 09:15 AM
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Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
To keep things in perspective, here's Edmund's review of your TJL. Looks
like they didn't like that one either, using your criteria.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...4/pageNumber=1
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:0JidnboBT7HN-P3YnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:A6qdncemn_74csLYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>>
>> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
>> while checking the value of my TJL.
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for
> only negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the
> fact that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.
>
>>
>>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not
>>> buy it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>>
>> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
>> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
>> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
>> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
>> seat and got it down the road.
>
> Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
> forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?
>
> Now that I think about it, there's a
>> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and
>> 20-25 ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>>
>> I'll get back to you.
>
> Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
> your trespassing citation.
>
like they didn't like that one either, using your criteria.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...4/pageNumber=1
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:0JidnboBT7HN-P3YnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:A6qdncemn_74csLYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>>
>> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
>> while checking the value of my TJL.
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for
> only negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the
> fact that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.
>
>>
>>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not
>>> buy it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>>
>> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
>> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
>> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
>> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
>> seat and got it down the road.
>
> Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
> forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?
>
> Now that I think about it, there's a
>> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and
>> 20-25 ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>>
>> I'll get back to you.
>
> Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
> your trespassing citation.
>
11-19-2006, 03:43 PM
#26
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Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
I'll start this off by saying that I haven't driven one...
The review specifically mentions the 0-60 speed of 9.7 seconds as
'laziness'.
I have an '02 WJ with the 4 liter I-6 which, according to WJ Jeeps, does
0-60 in 9.5, 10.1, or 10.9 seconds. While my WJ does not hold a candle to
other fire breathing vehicle I've owned I never considered it 'lazy', its
performance, in my opinion, is adequate for the function it performs and the
driving I do. If I lived in the mountains, routinely towed 5000 pound
trailers, or needed it to impress my homies or yuppie acquaintances I might
feel differently.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.
The review specifically mentions the 0-60 speed of 9.7 seconds as
'laziness'.
I have an '02 WJ with the 4 liter I-6 which, according to WJ Jeeps, does
0-60 in 9.5, 10.1, or 10.9 seconds. While my WJ does not hold a candle to
other fire breathing vehicle I've owned I never considered it 'lazy', its
performance, in my opinion, is adequate for the function it performs and the
driving I do. If I lived in the mountains, routinely towed 5000 pound
trailers, or needed it to impress my homies or yuppie acquaintances I might
feel differently.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.
11-19-2006, 03:43 PM
#27
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Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
I'll start this off by saying that I haven't driven one...
The review specifically mentions the 0-60 speed of 9.7 seconds as
'laziness'.
I have an '02 WJ with the 4 liter I-6 which, according to WJ Jeeps, does
0-60 in 9.5, 10.1, or 10.9 seconds. While my WJ does not hold a candle to
other fire breathing vehicle I've owned I never considered it 'lazy', its
performance, in my opinion, is adequate for the function it performs and the
driving I do. If I lived in the mountains, routinely towed 5000 pound
trailers, or needed it to impress my homies or yuppie acquaintances I might
feel differently.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.
The review specifically mentions the 0-60 speed of 9.7 seconds as
'laziness'.
I have an '02 WJ with the 4 liter I-6 which, according to WJ Jeeps, does
0-60 in 9.5, 10.1, or 10.9 seconds. While my WJ does not hold a candle to
other fire breathing vehicle I've owned I never considered it 'lazy', its
performance, in my opinion, is adequate for the function it performs and the
driving I do. If I lived in the mountains, routinely towed 5000 pound
trailers, or needed it to impress my homies or yuppie acquaintances I might
feel differently.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.
11-19-2006, 03:43 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
I'll start this off by saying that I haven't driven one...
The review specifically mentions the 0-60 speed of 9.7 seconds as
'laziness'.
I have an '02 WJ with the 4 liter I-6 which, according to WJ Jeeps, does
0-60 in 9.5, 10.1, or 10.9 seconds. While my WJ does not hold a candle to
other fire breathing vehicle I've owned I never considered it 'lazy', its
performance, in my opinion, is adequate for the function it performs and the
driving I do. If I lived in the mountains, routinely towed 5000 pound
trailers, or needed it to impress my homies or yuppie acquaintances I might
feel differently.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.
The review specifically mentions the 0-60 speed of 9.7 seconds as
'laziness'.
I have an '02 WJ with the 4 liter I-6 which, according to WJ Jeeps, does
0-60 in 9.5, 10.1, or 10.9 seconds. While my WJ does not hold a candle to
other fire breathing vehicle I've owned I never considered it 'lazy', its
performance, in my opinion, is adequate for the function it performs and the
driving I do. If I lived in the mountains, routinely towed 5000 pound
trailers, or needed it to impress my homies or yuppie acquaintances I might
feel differently.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.
11-19-2006, 04:31 PM
#29
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Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
And of course, like Consumer Reports, whom paid them the most.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for only
> negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the fact
> that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for only
> negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the fact
> that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.
11-19-2006, 04:31 PM
#30
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Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
And of course, like Consumer Reports, whom paid them the most.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for only
> negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the fact
> that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for only
> negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the fact
> that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.
